Does a Higher Being Exist?

Evidence said:

AlfredChan said:

@Judaism
Thank you, I understand where you are coming from.
It has been a fair discussion thus far, with everyone being equally able to share their point of view.
Although I most certainly do not subscribe to your beliefs, I conclude by neither insisting that you are wrong nor that I am correct.

Judaism said:

AlfredChan

Now that's a good sport! I wish everyone on here could be that respectful and polite. Thank you.

How is "agreeing to disagree" respectful and polite??
I don't care if you call me names, just please don't agree to disagree with me!? I mean how would I ever know if I was wrong?
Or how would you ever know if you were wrong, you know what I mean?

You can tell me: "That's the stupidest thing I ever heard", .. and then you tell me why, .. that's what I love about honest debating.

That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. Let's agree to disagree.

someone234 said:

Evidence said:

AlfredChan said:

@Judaism
Thank you, I understand where you are coming from.
It has been a fair discussion thus far, with everyone being equally able to share their point of view.
Although I most certainly do not subscribe to your beliefs, I conclude by neither insisting that you are wrong nor that I am correct.

Judaism said:

AlfredChan

Now that's a good sport! I wish everyone on here could be that respectful and polite. Thank you.

How is "agreeing to disagree" respectful and polite??
I don't care if you call me names, just please don't agree to disagree with me!? I mean how would I ever know if I was wrong?
Or how would you ever know if you were wrong, you know what I mean?

You can tell me: "That's the stupidest thing I ever heard", .. and then you tell me why, .. that's what I love about honest debating.

That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. Let's agree to disagree.

NOOooooo I asked not to say that. I hope Debra sees this abuse I'm getting!?

AlfredChan said:

Reality is subjective. 
What appears real to me, may not appear real to you.

Religion revolves around faith in a perceived higher order being or "god".
The proof of the existence of this perceived higher order being is usually not demanded by subscribers of the religion, because having the religious faith requires that the individual disregard necessity for tangible proof. 
As such there is no religious literature (to the best of my knowledge) encouraging people to actively and critically challenge its exertions. 

Human beings have a habit of visualizing patterns even-though they may not exist. 
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/patternicity-finding-meaningful-patterns/ ;
As such, human beings tend to imagine correlations between religious faith exertions and reality. 

Should I exert that "God Does Not Exist", I will be considered an atheist.
Should I exert that "Perhaps God Does Not Exist", I will be considered an agnostic.
The list goes on, considering all the nitty-gritty differences between the multitude of religious and non-religious people.

@AlfredChan Reality is subjective. 
What appears real to me, may not appear real to you.

I marked your response as "informative" because these ideas are exactly what our demonically lead World Leaders are forcing upon humanity, just as you said here. Once people question their reality, you have them in the palm of your hands, and do with them as you wish (I mean "you" in general, nothing personal).
No my friend, reality is exactly that; "reality", .. and I believe that's why it was named that.

It is that alternate reality that is being presented to us from the Powers and Principalities of Darkness that has posessed and is leading or Leaders, who use the most powerful tool; the media (fake News, school shootings, moon landing, globe earth, Big-Bang and Evolution stories etc.) that is what's actually subjective, .. that may appear real to you, but is not real to me; Like Mormons believe that Joseph Smith is on a planet called Kolob with a bunch of women populating it creating little gods, .. now that is subjective, not when I show you a red rose, and everyone in the room including children agree that it is a red rose that is subjective here.

My reality of God is NOT from a Religions-perspective, for all the gods created by religion is subjective, and are required by each individual religion to be taken on blind-faith, and cannot be questioned. That's exactly why we have hundreds of thousands of Religions.

My God, the God of the Bible is real because He Is What He Is; Infinite,  as He told our Prophet Moses: "I Am Who I Am", and there can be no god besides Infinite, and that is a scientific reality, mathematically proven, .. in other words, it is "absolute Truth".

AlfredChan - Human beings have a habit of visualizing patterns even-though they may not exist. 
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/patternicity-finding-meaningful-patterns/ ;
As such, human beings tend to imagine correlations between religious faith exertions and reality.

Do you realize what you just said here, how it conflicts with your initial statement that reality is subjective? If you say reality is subjective, then religious faith is no different than your reality! This is what the Bible calls: "living in darkness", .. I was there, .. and even with the flicker of light/truth, I can help you "see" enough of reality for you to at least be able to differentiate between the two, meaning between reality and imagined, because you cannot do that if you believe that reality is subjective.

Just like @Erfisflat shone a light on our Flat Earth enough for me to see the truth, I can show you God. The problem is defined in the Bible:

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation,
that the light has come into the world,
and men loved darkness rather than light,
because their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light,
lest his deeds should be exposed.
21 But he who does the truth comes to the light,
that his deeds may be clearly seen,
that they have been done in God.”

Now I'm not saying that your deeds are evil, but if you take pleasure in the great deception that is going on today in the name of equality, green, sustainable development, space exploration, one world ORDER etc.  it means that you love the darkness. And since you believe that reality is subjective, you have no reason to even seek the light.
Light, darkness, truth, lies, good, evil etc. it's all the same then.

Fredsnephew said:

As I always state.

The existence of a god, is a proposition without proof.

Therefore the existence of a god can only ever be regarded as a theory.


Unless a god pops it's head from behind a cloud and introduces itself. 

It is highly unlikely that the god theory will ever be proved correct.

Kind of like the ball earth theory.

Fredsnephew said:

As I always state.

The existence of a god, is a proposition without proof.

Therefore the existence of a god can only ever be regarded as a theory.


Unless a god pops it's head from behind a cloud and introduces itself. 

It is highly unlikely that the god theory will ever be proved correct.

This is where you must read the Bible and refer to the Gospels, where God sends his son Jesus, who is God himself, into the world in order to reconcile the world to God. This was 2000+ years ago, but it has still been present 2000 years later, which must say something about the nature of God, namely existence. 

Fredsnephew said:

As I always state.

The existence of a god, is a proposition without proof.

Therefore the existence of a god can only ever be regarded as a theory.


Unless a god pops it's head from behind a cloud and introduces itself. 

It is highly unlikely that the god theory will ever be proved correct.

someone234 said:

There is very little room for doubt that deities and higher beings exist. It's more a question of why the religions are all different. That's the mystery...

Find the link between them all and you solve the puzzle.

@Fredsnephew didn't you read in the Bible how God saved His People by taking them out of Egypt where they've been slaves for 400 years, and after all that God did through Moses, after seeing how the mighty Egyptian army was reduced to nothing by drowning most of them in the sea, and everything else that God did, here they were standing in fear as the Mountain of God quaked and trembled, with a cloud of thunder and lightning covering it as God spoke to Moses, and while waiting for Moses, they built a god for themselves out of the gold they took from Egypt!?
So no better example of a God popping His head out of a cloud than that, .. right? Yet look at the Jews of today, that's like 4,000 years later, proudly housing the LGBT capital of the world, and most Jews will happily tell you they are atheists, and only participate in some of the Jewish rituals because of tradition.

But there is a way to come to KNOW God, and it's not by seeing some old bearded man pop his head out of a cloud either. I mean why would that make anyone believe in God, it was just an old guy popping his head out of the clouds!

God appeared in miracles and wonders, then He finally sent His son Word into the world, and look what we did to him? Killed him, and after fulfilling his task, after understanding who he was the prophesied to come Messiah, the son of God, yet we made him into just another of the many gods, supernatural deities in the world, of which Christians made about 40,000 versions of him:


Ravi Zacharias - Jesus Among Other gods

This is why, my friend @someone234 that we have so many religions, they all worship "deities and higher beings" like you said, .. instead of our One and Only Possible Infinite and Eternal conscious Mind/Spirit "I Am" Creator.

Why is this so hard to understand, the definition (true and unadulterated definition) of Infinite, which is: "without boarders, boundless"

So we cannot have anything or anyone 'besides' Infinite, .. every "thing" and "everyone" is within Infinite. So there really is no competition with God, but what makes Him jealous is that we rather worship sticks and stones, and deified men and demons over Him.

We were created in His image, yet here we are turning our back on Him, creating sci-fi stories of Big-Banged universes with imaginary planets, and aliens, and even reducing ourselves to an animal state, saying we are no different than the animals which just evolved by an accident from some muddy primordial soup. I mean how could God not be jealous of such cruel and evil act?

Imagine, here you are a pretty good looking husband, who works hard to provide for you family, they have everything they need, plenty of food, you love your wife and kids with all your heart, and would risk your own life to save them should they face any danger, and you come home and see your wife in bed with that ugly, worthless neighbor who is out of work, too lazy to take a shower, and always borrowing things from you!?

Well this is where we are, God has provided everything we would ever need for us to fill the earth with beautiful children, which was both for our, and for His enjoyment. But no, They shut us in, and even this would be more than enough for us, they push us in the cities, so it would seem as we're over populated!

There is NO 'energy-crisis', we could easily create a car that would run on the energy that is out there in the air that we constantly create to entertain ourselves, let alone all the energy from the sun.
There is NO food shortage, evil Religious men are starving half the world because they are the wrong color.
There is no over population problem, again it's these evil men that keep forcing us to live in crowded cities, and now with this new Agenda 21 and 2030, they will cram us like sardines, just so they can justify eliminating 6.5 billion of us.

God exists, He couldn't NOT exist, and creation is the evidence of the existence of Infinite.
Our mind is of Infinite, the only thing that makes us individuals from God is our body, this extremely complex temple that God put His Spirit/Breath in. We have free will just as God has, even to the point of refusing our Creator.

Observing the world around us (science) and the Bible explains all of this, from Genesis, then John 1 (whole chapters) to Revelations, everything that we need to figure out who God is, who his son Word aka Jesus Christ is, and who we are, how God started to create, .. everything!. We don't need Religions like Christianity, or Big-Bang Evolution Religions, we don't need any of them to tell us who we are and who our Creator God is?
You don't have to have these confusing doctrines like the Trinity, or BB-Evolution stories! The Lord is calling you: "Get out of Religions my People, just get the hell out of her, leave them deities/demons and come before your Creator, for He will NEVER leave us!"

Wake up, trim your lamp because I can hear the footsteps of the Groom, midnight is upon us! Don't be left outside the gates, because He said that once he closes the door, we can bang ands scream all we want, .. it will be too late!

@Evidence @WilliamSchulz ;

The bible may or may not be a mythical tale, loosely based on real people and real places.

Most mythical tales have a god like central character/characters.

God like characters, tended to represent things which occurred beyond the knowledge and control of man.

Of course, most things that were once considered to be beyond the knowledge and control of man, have now been understood and explained.

Hanging on to the bible myth is just something that some people do. 

someone234 said:

@Evidence No, I don't think that in the afterlife the selfish get treated worse than the giving. Rather, I think the ones who think most for themselves definitely are closer to god than the ones who let everything else influence them (including the religious who believe it due to being raised that way and don't question it).

I agree with you @someone234 I had a really hard time stepping out of my Religious upbringing, and obviously, it was then when I found God. Not the Christian gods, but the One and Only Possible Infinite and Eternal God.

But we have to be careful because Satan is an artist when it comes to deception, like making the Big-Bang Evolutionists believe that they are not an organized Religion just because they call their Religion science. I mean so does Scientology and many others like the Heavens Gate cult, .. they were all about "space travel" just as the people who run the "Church of NASA (SATAN)", especially the people who run 666CERN.

Yes, .. question everything, that's what I keep saying, this is why people simply accept man made gods like the Pope as absolute truth, they don't question, just "believe".
Thanks.

@Evidence
Thank you for sharing about your beliefs.

As quoted:
"AlfredChan - Human beings have a habit of visualizing patterns even-though they may not exist.  
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/patternicity-finding-meaningful-patterns/ ; 
As such, human beings tend to imagine correlations between religious faith exertions and reality. 
 
Do you realize what you just said here, how it conflicts with your initial statement that reality is subjective? If you say reality is subjective, then religious faith is no different than your reality! This is what the Bible calls: "living in darkness", .. I was there, .. and even with the flicker of light/truth, I can help you "see" enough of reality for you to at least be able to differentiate between the two, meaning between reality and imagined, because you cannot do that if you believe that reality is subjective."

In response to the above quote, I do believe that patternicity is a very good example of subjectivity. Whereby the pattern "observed" by an individual may not necessarily be replicated by another individual. In addition, by offering to "help me see enough of reality" makes it even more evident that reality is indeed subjective. In order for you to extend your help to guide my perceived reality in the same direction as yours, reality has to be subjective. 

Once again, thank you for responding to my views. 

Fredsnephew said:

@Evidence ;

There isn't anything logical in your response.

You appear to be theistically conditioned and as a consequence of this you are somewhat deluded.

Such is the human condition.

I have not been theistically conditioned and so do not share your delusions.

Such also is the human condition.

@Fredsnephew
Nothing logical in my response?
Yes, and I'm sure Marshal Applewhite and his Heavens Gate cult cadets would have agreed with you, .. such is the human condition.

You speak something like Hitchens, .. and his evolution by I.D. .. lost all his senses to reality, and went on trying to convince the world of his delusions. Now please explain to me what is logical in your response to my post, where I explained things in clear simple terms!? What do you mean that I was "theistically conditioned"? Theology is the study of man made gods, it has absolutely nothing to do with reality, especially our Infinite Creator.

This is like me trying to explain to you about CNC Aircraft Machining, and you respond with: "Sorry Evidence, but there is nothing logical in your response, .. it shows how you know nothing about raising horses!"

@Evidence ;

The bottom line is.

You were taught to accept without proof, the existence of a mythical being.

I was not taught to accept without proof, the existence of a mythical being.


Marshall Applewhite was a gentleman who developed mental health problems. 

I cannot comment on his acolytes, as I have not had the time to find any information concerning these people.


"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".  Nice one Christopher.


The infinite creator may be real. 

Who knows? 

You certainly don't. 

You can only accept without proof.


As for CNC machining and raising horses.......................................

Strawman on using Ussher:  Not all Christians prescribe to Bishop James Ussher assessment of the dating of the Bible.  There are gaps in some of the genealogy and how Ussher dealt with these gaps was to claim an average gap of 40 years.  When exploring how the Jewish people recorded genealogy they would often skip several generations and only highlight significant patriarchs.  

I'm not sure about the 4.5 billion yrs old, there are several recent discoveries that are showing many thing are much younger than previously thought. 

As for human being 200,000 yrs old in a peer review journal Ann Gibbons published a paper in a peer review journal that  evidence for a "6,000-year-old" Mitochondrial Eve: genetic researchers have named the one woman from whom all humans have descended "Mitochondrial Eve." But in a scientific attempt to date her existence, they openly admit that they included chimpanzee DNA in their analysis in order to get what they viewed as a reasonably old date of 200,000 years ago (which is still surprisingly recent from their perspective, but old enough not to strain Darwinian theory too much). But then as widely reported including by Science magazine, when they dropped the chimp data and used only actual human mutation rates, that process determined that Eve lived only six thousand years ago! In Ann Gibbon's Science article, "Calibrating the Mitochondrial Clock," rather than again using circular reasoning by assuming their conclusion (that humans evolved from ape-like creatures), they performed their calculations using actual measured mutation rates. This peer-reviewed journal then reported that if these rates have been constant, "mitochondrial Eve… would be a mere 6000 years old." 

The Scablands: The primary surface features of the Scablands, which cover thousands of square miles of eastern Washington, were long believed to have formed gradually. Yet, against the determined claims of uniformitarian geologists, there is now overwhelming evidence as presented even in a NOVA TV program that the primary features of the Scablands formed rapidly from a catastrophic breach of Lake Missoula causing a massive regional flood. Of course, evolutionary geologists still argue that the landscape was formed over tens of thousands of years, now by claiming there must have been a hundred Missoula floods. However, the evidence that there was Only One Lake Missoula Flood has been powerfully reinforced by a University of Colorado Ph.D. thesis. So the Scablands itself is no longer available to old-earth believer as de facto evidence for the passage of millions of years.

Gold Precipitates in Veins in Less than a Second: After geologists submitted for decades to the assumption that each layer of gold would deposit at the alleged super slow rates of the geologic process, the journal Nature Geoscience reports that each layer of deposition can occur within a few tenths of a second. Meanwhile, at the Lihir gold deposit in Papua New Guinea, evolutionists assumed the more than 20 million ounces of gold in the Lihir reserve took millions of years to deposit, but as reported in the journal Science, geologists can now demonstrate that the deposit could have formed in thousands of years, or far more quickly!

The World's #2 Journal, Science reports This: Evolutionists typically don't publicly admit the known gross failure of their theory until after they think they have an alternative. So, here's what Science magazine reported in 2013, that there's been:

...a century and a half of disagreement among zoologists proposing often wildly contradictory schemes of animal evolution. Clarity began to emerge with [a science paper references as] Field et al.'s landmark publication 25 years ago of an analysis of animal relationships based on ribosomal RNA (rRNA) sequences.

However, the scientific discoveries reported above show the falsehood of the claim that rRNA sequences are resolving the Darwinian Tree of Life fiasco.

@Pogue

There isn't enough context to answer this question. Which God are you referring to?

@Pogue

That leaves 'God' undefined, and the awnser unknowable. There's not enough context to the question being asked.

Fredsnephew said:

@Evidence ;

The bottom line is.

You were taught to accept without proof, the existence of a mythical being.

I was not taught to accept without proof, the existence of a mythical being.


Marshall Applewhite was a gentleman who developed mental health problems. 

I cannot comment on his acolytes, as I have not had the time to find any information concerning these people.


"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".  Nice one Christopher.


The infinite creator may be real. 

Who knows? 

You certainly don't. 

You can only accept without proof.


As for CNC machining and raising horses.......................................

I know buddy, .. that comparison went right over your head, right? Makes me wonder as to how many BB-scientists and technicians eat Apple products? You know, unable to differentiate between the word apple and the real apple?

BaconToes said:

Fredsnephew said:

@Evidence ;
The bottom line is.
You were taught to accept without proof, the existence of a mythical being.

So you don't believe you have a mind, but it's just your brain reacting/spasm/jerking your fingers to type all this?

We have a brain, if you want to be educated on the parts of the brains and their functions, please visit https://www.mayfieldclinic.com/PE-AnatBrain.htm

Fred- I was not taught to accept without proof, the existence of a mythical being.

I was, .. until I got out of the confines of Religion. Now I seek evidence with substance for the existence of God. But I bet you still believe in mythical beings, like Globe earth, possible aliens, .. black holes in the Spacetime fabric which you can fly your USS-Enterprise ship through and come out in a parallel universe, etc. .. have you ever done the CERN-dance to their mythical beings? You can't deny the mysticism at CERN and NASA can you?

Globe Earth, provable by buying a weather balloon and flying it. Aliens are  possible, but still not proven(like God), and black holes have many pieces of evidence. 

Fred-Marshall Applewhite was a gentleman who developed mental health problems. 
I cannot comment on his acolytes, as I have not had the time to find any information concerning these people.

Really? Google; "Heavens Gate", .. here, just click and watch

? Can't watch the video.

Does he look like he has mental health problems? What is the difference between him, and Richard Dawkinwatch

I see absolutely no difference, actually "Do" seems more sane than Dawkins.

Organzing a mass-suicide is definitely not a mental health problem.

Fred- "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".  Nice one Christopher.

Poor Hitchens, .. yet he died believing in sci-fi fairytales of evolving monkeys flying in a vacuum, to the moon, .. lol.

Yet the moon landing also has sufficient evidence.

Fred-The infinite creator may be real. 
Who knows? 
You certainly don't. 
You can only accept without proof.

Denying all the evidence for God, is like denying yourself, .. which is exactly what BB-Evolutionists do. Accept the delusion that they are evolving amoeba, apes, animals who are the only ones who can read a sign on a business door saying: "Absolutely No Animals allowed in Store!" and guess which animal walks right in ignoring the sign? Explain to me how that can be seen as normal?
8,000 species of animals, the Only One that can read, is the Only One who ignores it and just walks right on in!? So how can you, or anyone claim that someone actually believes that the BB-Evolution stories are true, or actual science?

8000 species of animals? There are actually 8.7 million species of animals, all many of them have their own way of communicating

Fred - As for CNC machining and raising horses.......................................

I know buddy, .. that comparison went right over your head, right? Makes me wonder as to how many BB-scientists and technicians eat Apple products? You know, unable to differentiate between the word apple and the real apple?

Yes, we have a body and brain to which every one of the billions of neurons are connected. Like a perfectly created robot the body is there with the brainstem sending out signals to the lung for breathing, signals for heart rate, body temperature, wake and sleep cycles, digestion, sneezing, coughing, swallowing etc. now all it needs is an operator to go in there and do things with it, build, farm, love, make children, go fishing, share ideas and learn.

This is why God made it, to put us in there so we could pass on everything that we have achieved in the body, which is all recorded in the DNA, .. to our children, and they to theirs, till we fill the earth, the beautiful earth which our work has transformed into a Paradise, and where our children enjoy pure bliss, breathing in the pure air, drinking sparkling waters, enjoying life to the fullest as we go on inventing more amazing things to enjoy, and to grow by, sharing that knowledge with our children and the rest of humanity for ever and ever growing in wisdom, experiencing greater and greater love and joy of life.

But no, we teach our children that this body does what it want's, they have no control over it, it is just reacting to its environment. War is necessary because it's evolution, survival of the fittest, so to survive and keep the little peace, the little food, the little shelter we have, we must protect it by going out and kill our neighbors, even family members in other countries.

Don't worry about morals, its either them or you, so go to school where we will teach you to invent bigger, more powerful and more accurate weapons to kill a greater number of your neighbors, .. believe us, the more you kill, the greater peace you will enjoy, and the longer you will live to protect what's yours!

God, .. what God? But wait, if it helps you better serve your country, go and worship your gods. Here, we will invent all the gods you want, build beautiful temples for you to gather in, everything as long as it will help you be a better patriot, where you can all come together as one, praise each others military accomplishments, give thanks to those who died in battle for you to have freedom.

The problem they don't see is that every child, every man in every country is told the same thing; the bigger and more powerful guns you have, the more you kill, the safer you will be, the better life you will enjoy.
In every country the army marches on proudly, convinced they can destroy their enemies, their neighbors and make them their slaves.

BaconToes: Globe Earth, provable by buying a weather balloon and flying it. Aliens are  possible, but still not proven(like God), and black holes have many pieces of evidence.

Done, it's flat. Aliens is where the Heavens Gate cult went to, .. it's possible right? Just like landing on the moon, you believe it don't you? Like you said; even black holes have many pieces of evidence, do you even hear yourself talking? What's next, a Rover on the star Mars?

BaconToes: Organizing a mass-suicide is definitely not a mental health problem.

Have you watched the historical movie of Dunkirk? Generals and Presidents decided to call all those well armed strong young solders on to the beaches of Dunkirk where 68,111 young men were slaughtered, Heavens Gate only had 39 dead, I mean went to Mars, or to the moon, or one of those places, you believe that don't you? You know, that people can go to the moon and Mars, and on meteors, right? So which one are you suggesting had mental illness, NASA employees that kept sending people to the moon, or Generals that ordered the execution of about 70,000 young well armed soldiers, or Marshall Applewhite? I could give you more examples, but I think that is enough to prove my point that without acknowledging a Higher Being like our Creator, life is meaningless and can be hell on earth.

BaconToes- 8000 species of animals? There are actually 8.7 million species of animals, 

Oh yeah, .. I forgot to count the humans. All of them have their own way of communicating too, yes, think I've seen a monkey using an I-phone;



I guess this is proof we did evolve from monkeys, .. I mean it explains why we are all apes, what more proof do we need, right?
We landed on the moon, on Mars, and all of us animals evolved brains and our own way of communicating, .. proof that God doesn't exist.

Don't you just love as the world is turning away from believing in their Creator? Look where we came from Eden to our dark, stinking, deadly skies, with wars and rumors of wars, and oh yeah, rumors of peace and safety too! I heard all our Presidents promise us that! I can't wait till they turn on the 5G Microwave network, it will be a great compliment to our alumina-chem trailed brains. Post human 2.0 here we come! or should I say 'human past 2.0'?

Take care Kevin-BaconToes (crazy name buddy, very inventive, I like it. I like smelling Bacon, .. lol

God bless you

^more reasons I hate Debra, you can't just send images...

Wow, so much to digest. First, the paper above by Paul Giem does not merit the time to read it.  You might as well let me lecture you on brain surgery. Mr. Giem may be an MD (I do not know - it is just what he claims) but he is not a scientist. Simply put he does not even understand the difference between a hypothesis and a theory.  Radiocarbon dating is not used for dating past 50-60,000 years. Past that argon or some other method will be used. If C14 is found in a sample purported to be several millions of years old, that is not surprising, and is likely due to contamination or a false reading. Disregarding that, I fail to see how that would prove or disprove some god creature.
Another fun argument is that something cannot be created out of nothing, therefore, something must have done the creating. This tautology boggles my poor brain. On the one side, you have the who (or what) created the creator, ad infinitum. On the other hand if you accept the Big Bang theory which places the universe at about 14 B years old, was there a prior Big Bang, and a prior one to that? This is not exactly something out of nothing  (a singularity), although it is something out of considerably less than "thin air" as some previous writer complained. 
The fault seems to me to be in the human need to find a "why," and our fear of non-existence. The universe was not created for, nor does it exist for humans. 

@with_all_humility

It would be a genetic fallacy only if the author had some knowledge of the subject of which s/he writes. When one purports to be an expert on a subject (in this case science) but does not understand the basic tenets of science, then a reader has to assume that the author has an ulterior motive or is simply a crackpot. Life is too short to deal with all the crackpots.                             "Radiocarbon dating doesn't work well on objects much older than twenty thousand years, because such objects have so little C-14 left that their beta radiation is swamped out by the background radiation of cosmic rays and potassium-40 (K-40) decay. Younger objects can easily be dated, because they still emit plenty of beta radiation, enough to be measured after the background radiation has been subtracted out of the total beta radiation. However, in either case, the background beta radiation has to be compensated for, and, in the older objects, the amount of C-14 they have left is less than the margin of error in measuring background radiation. As Hurley points out:

    Without rather special developmental work, it is not generally practicable to measure ages in excess of about twenty thousand years, because the radioactivity of the carbon becomes so slight that it is difficult to get an accurate measurement above background radiation. (p. 108)

Cosmic rays form beta radiation all the time; this is the radiation that turns N-14 to C-14 in the first place. K-40 decay also forms plenty of beta radiation. Stearns, Carroll, and Clark point out that ". . . this isotope [K-40] accounts for a large part of the normal background radiation that can be detected on the earth's surface" (p. 84). This radiation cannot be totally eliminated from the laboratory, so one could probably get a "radiocarbon" date of fifty thousand years from a pure carbon-free piece of tin. However, you now know why this fact doesn't at all invalidate radiocarbon dates of objects younger than twenty thousand years and is certainly no evidence for the notion that coals and oils might be no older than fifty thousand years."
Title:
Answers to Creationist Attacks on Carbon-14 Dating
Author(s):
Christopher Gregory Weber
Volume: 3
Number: 2
Quarter: Spring
Page(s): 23–29
Year: 1982
Hurley, Patrick M. 1959. How Old Is the Earth? New York: Doubleday & Co

The implied argument is that the Earth is only "X" number of years old (usually 6,000); that dinosaurs and humans may have co-existed; and that there is some great secret agreement among scientists to create a false narrative about the universe and perhaps in that narrative disprove a god. Somehow I missed that class in graduate school.

BaconToes said:

^more reasons I hate Debra, you can't just send images...

@BaconToes love you , love bacon, love your sense of humor, loved Hitchens on Religion, loved George Carlin on Religion too, if only they would have stepped out of Religion to take another look at the Bible through real science, .. Flat Earth-real science, oh what brilliant Disciples of Christ they would have made. But nooo, they made too much money "bashing Religion and their gods", while the Pastors of their sister-churches the theists, were selling them.
Oh well like I always say: Religion is a two sided coin, theist/atheist, the idea behind both is the same: "to make money by keeping people in ignorance!"

On "Christianity" poster about the celestial Jewish baby who is also his own father, .. lol, don't you just love Religion? How the ignorant atheists are feeding off of the ignorance of the theists?

As for the rest of the comment there, "Born of a virgin mother", .. have you heard of IVF and Cloning? Yes, God can do that too, through His surgeon the holy Spirit who turned His son Word into DNA, and planted it inside a fresh egg of a Jewish virgin, nine months later: "The Word became flesh and dwelt amongst us. Was named Jesus" (John 1:1-) the rest of it is close, only I would remove "magical", because man does magic, sometimes by the power that comes from the supernatural realm. God does real miracles cause He is the Creator.

Next you have George Carlin's famous "Invisible man living in the sky who needs money". Poor guy could never leave the Catholic Schools indoctrinations, he died a Religious man, mocking Religions. Now that's really funny.

Next the "You have offended me" poster, .. did you know that every AD war was created by the rich and powerful to get richer? Most people today know that, especially with the last major false flag operation of 9-11,



yet look how many people proudly sent their kids into the army so they could sacrifice them to this corrupt system, to the god of this world; Lucifer. Did God ask them to do that? No. Yet they line up their kids to be sworn in, and so proud of it!
So I would not be making fun of Gods Mercy, when millions of people like you sacrifice your own children for this corrupt system that don't care about the Ten Commandments, but will fill you full of lead for not holding still while they got their Tasers electrocuting you!
"FREEZE! Stop Moving or we'll shoot! Stop Moving!"

Next the DNA and carbon dating, .. yeah, dug up skull & bones from the grave, proof of evolution. If that's not proof, they got millions of fossils, which, .. lined up just right, .. you can almost see the species evolving into other species, lol. Oh the great Missionary Carl Sagan, what does God have over him, right? Carl and Richard have almost single handedly taken man who was the apple of Gods eyes, and in less than 100 years reduced us down to bumbling idiots, evolving apes,  who actually believe their cousins and ancestors are rats.
Created us from dust and ribs, .. what else do you think we are made out of, .. just skull and bones? Because that's all that evolution is based on, skull and bones mixed well in a cauldron, mix in a few fossils, sprinkled with a few bosons and cleptons, a dash of pixy-dust and whala; a humanus-apus who believe their gods at NASA landed on the moon!

And as for "Gods favorite planet, star, galaxy, .. please tell me you don't believe in those drawings, because I can get you much better ones outside ASU where college kids paint them on the sidewalk in less than 2 minutes for $10 a pop. Much better ones that include all the solar system-gods, Mars, Venus, Saturn, .. including ones they discovered during filming Star Wars, like planet Tatooine.

Medic said:

Unicorns are corporeal things. We, with our corporeal senses have never seen or observed one. Therefore, they do not exist.

God is different. There's no rational basis for belief in or not in God, given it is impossible to prove either way. 

Actually unicorns do exist, they were thought to have been like an Ibex or wild Ox. Ref Psalms 98.10 (KVJ)

cdog1950 said:

@with_all_humility

It would be a genetic fallacy only if the author had some knowledge of the subject of which s/he writes. When one purports to be an expert on a subject (in this case science) but does not understand the basic tenets of science, then a reader has to assume that the author has an ulterior motive or is simply a crackpot. Life is too short to deal with all the crackpots.                             "Radiocarbon dating doesn't work well on objects much older than twenty thousand years, because such objects have so little C-14 left that their beta radiation is swamped out by the background radiation of cosmic rays and potassium-40 (K-40) decay. Younger objects can easily be dated, because they still emit plenty of beta radiation, enough to be measured after the background radiation has been subtracted out of the total beta radiation. However, in either case, the background beta radiation has to be compensated for, and, in the older objects, the amount of C-14 they have left is less than the margin of error in measuring background radiation. As Hurley points out:

    Without rather special developmental work, it is not generally practicable to measure ages in excess of about twenty thousand years, because the radioactivity of the carbon becomes so slight that it is difficult to get an accurate measurement above background radiation. (p. 108)

Cosmic rays form beta radiation all the time; this is the radiation that turns N-14 to C-14 in the first place. K-40 decay also forms plenty of beta radiation. Stearns, Carroll, and Clark point out that ". . . this isotope [K-40] accounts for a large part of the normal background radiation that can be detected on the earth's surface" (p. 84). This radiation cannot be totally eliminated from the laboratory, so one could probably get a "radiocarbon" date of fifty thousand years from a pure carbon-free piece of tin. However, you now know why this fact doesn't at all invalidate radiocarbon dates of objects younger than twenty thousand years and is certainly no evidence for the notion that coals and oils might be no older than fifty thousand years."
Title:
Answers to Creationist Attacks on Carbon-14 Dating
Author(s):
Christopher Gregory Weber
Volume: 3
Number: 2
Quarter: Spring
Page(s): 23–29
Year: 1982
Hurley, Patrick M. 1959. How Old Is the Earth? New York: Doubleday & Co

The implied argument is that the Earth is only "X" number of years old (usually 6,000); that dinosaurs and humans may have co-existed; and that there is some great secret agreement among scientists to create a false narrative about the universe and perhaps in that narrative disprove a god. Somehow I missed that class in graduate school.

@cdog1950 

"Radiocarbon dating doesn't work well on objects much older than twenty thousand years, because such objects have so little C-14 left that their beta radiation is swamped out by the background radiation of cosmic rays and potassium-40 (K-40) decay." (This was not the point of the articles, the issue being presented is 14C being found in items, that evolutionist say there should be zero 14C)

Your reference, it did not address why 14C in amount far higher than what can be ruled out as contamination are found in dinosaur bone/soft tissue, in coal and diamonds

The Lund University in Sweden tested Cretaceous Bone Proteins

14C analysis

Yes, a higher being must exist. There is an abundance of evidence that proves that there is a higher being. Science and religion go hand in hand regarding many topics like the big bang theory. If there isn't a higher being that exists then how would you explain this, there was a building that burned to the ground. There was nothing left in the building beside a painting that Jesus made contact with. This is one of many things that have happened like this. Because of all of this evidence, how can you claim that a higher being does not exist.