MayCaesar said:Can't your reasoning be applied to any historical process, however? For example, like this: "Historians would have us believe that Ancient Rome existed and was the most prosperous civilization of its time - however, it was conquered by barbarians, and all traces of its existence were erased over the countless centuries. Only a pseudo-scientist would look at the remains of Roman architecture and the scriptures found and dream up the likes of Caesar or Colosseum".
Is there any scientific evidence you would consider then? Because, strictly speaking, any evidence you are considering is already, at least, a few milliseconds old (due to our organism requiring some time to process the data it receives). Hence "nothing has ever existed" is the only conclusion your logic would lead to. And in that case, the very concept of "existence" is questionable.
Humanity has found a very large variety of bones and other remains consistent with the current theories on dinosaurs and their history over the millennia. Birds' biology also is highly consistent with what we would expect from species originated from dinosaurs. While skepticism is always healthy in considering presented evidence, I would like to hear what theory you would propose to explain all these findings.
joecavalry said:Will NASA sending a helicopter to Mars be productive?
In all honesty, I did not bother to read much of the b.s. that you wrote. You answered not one of my questions with Scripture. Rather, you gave white washed history, which didn't explain anything. You answered my question with a statement that had nothing to do with what I was asking. You put words in my mouth that I never said - typical Edomite - and you couldn't even back up what you said. So, I'm going to leave you alone and just ignore your comments, as they are of no importance.Evidence said:TheeKnowing said:@Evidence said: The Just Shall Live By Faith
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”
Here is how TheeKnowing would like us to read Romans 1:16
It's fine man. The Bible speaks the Truth and the Bible offends him. The Truth offends him. That is why he still hasn't responded to my last reply. He is offended by God's word and he can't show any proof of what he says that I said. He couldn't show any biblical proof at all besides Romans 9 and John 3:16, with a couple other scrips. The word of God always wins against these fake Christians that call themselves followers of Christ, yet they follow nothing Christ ever did and taught.
@TheeKnowing, you said "fake Christians", .. so are you a "real Christian"?
All I need is One Bible verse in the proper context to prove you wrong, and I shown many.
TheeKnowing-"What is the history of the Jews and the Greeks?"
According to you, "Greek" means only the Lost Tribe of Israel. Don't forget the purpose of your debate (which no Jesus-time Jew or Israelite would bother to debate with the Pagan-White Gentiles. Don't you know oh Chosen-One that you are not even allowed to talk to us? Why on earth would you want to debate and argue with the damned? Didn't your Jesus remind you to "come out of the Lost, pagan gods worshipping Whites my People, and do not partake of her sins", .. especially get in arguments with them about your position as Gods Chosen!
What do you think you will achieve by going on arguing about who you are with the "outsiders'? Hellooo, do I have to remind you that according to you; we whites are not being saved!? That Jesus did not come for us, there is nothing in the Bible for us pagan whites, .. so why are you guys standing on street corners talking to us the damned from Adam and Eve?
Were either Adam or Eve or Abel, or Cain, .. or ANY of their children all the way to Abraham ever chosen?
No, or I haven't seen it, maybe you can show me if I'm wrong? Adam and Ever were NOT chosen, they sinned and were eternally punished, they were all condemned to death!
Just because Jesus thought a Gentile Greek or Roman to be wise, or have a lot of faith, did that automatically include the rest of the Greek or Roman world into His salvation?
According to you The Chosen-ones;
But here is what IS obvious from MPOV, that you my Black Friend do not have "faith". You self proclaimed Jews lack faith, because you chose the Law to save you and NOT Christ.
You only accept Christ when you KNOW that you so called "Jews" fail miserably on "keeping the Law", so then out of convenience to save yourselves, you chose the cross.
No, .. we Whites who have given up our Fathers traditions, their wicked hypocritical ways, .. our fathers Christian Religion solely place our salvation upon the Son of God "Word", whom God sent into the world and was born to a Jewish virgin named Mary and was named Jesus.
And NO, .. God is NOT a Jew.
TheeKnowing said: Can you show where I said it’s about the skin color and not the blood line?
You said you had mixed bloodline, that you are not pure Black-Jew, .. so much for your bloodline, and your half-white law keeping. So get in line with the rest of the mixed pagan world, Greek and Roman cursed for eternity in hell without a Savior.
TheeKnowing: As far as I know, I was asking you, if God didn’t care about skin color, what would be the importance of skin color being mentioned in the Bible?
Why did your forefathers, white wash the true image of Christ?
The same reason your Jewish forefathers denied and rejected him, slapped him, spit in his face and had him crucified, in other words, "murdered him", and almost all the Prophets before him.
Can you show where I said “mixed Pagan Gentile blood with the Jews is now OK with God who gave the Law”?
Oh yes, this is where you use Christ whom your forefathers brutally murdered to "Save You".
Can you show where I said, “He could have a white grandfather and a black mother, yet he will remain a Jew…”?You didn't specifically say that, no, .. I assumed it from your OP and your posts. If I'm wrong, please explain how a mixed raced person like you and me can hope for Salvation from Christ's crucifixion and death?
Again, can you show where I said you have to be black or half-breed Greek or Gentile to be worthy to be clothed in white garment?
You were referring to how the Jews were scattered throughout the "world", and became the "Lost Tribe of Israel", .. they mixed in with the Gentiles to a point that God considered them as gentiles, and according to you, Jesus came to save those mixed pagan-gods worshipping gentiles, both Jew and Greek, so they may be clothed in white garments, .. did you not?
Can you show where I said only the law will save you? I said keeping the law AND the faith of Christ. But, since you want to put words in my mouth, can you show where I said only the law will save you?Can you show me where it is written that the "keeping of the law AND the faith of Christ will save anyone?"
As far as this White person who gave up his Christian Religion to follow Christ understands, there is Only One Way, the truth and light that anyone can enter into Heaven, and it is Christ.
If anyone truly knows and accepts Christ, they fulfill the Law.
Sin is the breaking of the Law, and no one who sins has ever known God or His son Word aka Jesus Christ. You see the difference there?
No you don't, especially if you were a real Jew, which is why they hated Jesus, including his Apostles whom they claimed were against Moses and his Laws! It was the biggest reason they used to crucify him.
Again, can you show the history of the Jews and Greeks?
Sure, "there were a lot of lost Jews in Greece and have been present since at least the fourth century BC.
Why do you keep asking this instead of answering my statements? Greeks were gentiles, who accepted a Christian version of Christ. Just because there were a lot of Jews there, doesn't make them Jews.
You know everything, especially with the few verses you cherry pick.
All I'm asking you is, how do you figure that the whole Bible especially the NT wherever it says "world, Greek, Gentiles" all means "Jews" and the "Lost tribe of Israel"?
Or how you can justify Christ bringing the Law, or reinforcing the Law of Moses for the Jews and the Lost Tribe of Israel, .. and IF they fail to keep the law, He will step in and be crucified over and over again as an offering for each sin? THAT was the purpose of the sacrifices, for the forgiveness of sins. So If you keep the Law of Moses AND accept Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins, every time you broke the Law, Christ would have to be crucified for you for each time you broke The Law!
But of course only those who have died to sin, and have accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior and King can understand this. The Real Jews, .. both Greek, Jew or Gentile, black, white, yellow, red, .. all, the whole world is now under Christ. That is those who deny Religion and their doctrines/laws.
- So give us the understanding of the history of the Jews and the Greeks so that we can understand “there is neither Jew nor Greek.”I did, only you can't see it because of the scales of discrimination and hate still on your eyes. How do you understand this, is it as: "there is neither Jew or Jew"?? Because that is what you said, that everywhere the Bible quotes; Gentile, Greek, the Whole World, etc. it all means Jew, those who had the Law of Moses, and kept on disobeying it for thousands of years. Pompously holding it over the Gentiles heads as the "Chosen Ones", just like you and your Black-Power Brothers do today on the streets, telling Whites that they are all lost, going to be their slaves, and that Christ did not come for them.
What "Follower of the Way" would do such a thing? Even the Jewish hypocrites of today who still hate Jesus Christ don't go out on the streets and bash Gentiles for not having been given the Law.
If you truly had the Light of Christ in you, you would never do that, especially if you really believed that we Whites were "Darkness", doomed, chosen as wood for the Eternal Hell Fire!
If you represent the light, what does Light have to do with darkness, especially when Jesus asked us to be a "light unto the World"!? Conflicting don't you think?
Now look, if Jesus meant "Light unto the Jewish World", then you should be going in private to save your Black People who your black Jesus of your Black god called you to do! Don't worry about the Lost White Nations, if you believe Jesus did not come for us, why would you cast your pearls before us White Swine?
TheeKnowing- Again, can you show the history of the Jews and Greeks in the Bible? The history the Greek captivity?
What does Jews having been in Greece for centuries before Christ's arrival have to do with this? Not all Greeks were Jews, .. or do you think all Greeks, all Gentiles, all slaves and free were, and are Jews? That's what you sound like saying!?
TheeKnowing - Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Oh dear Brother you are blind; "If it wasn't for the law, I would not have known sin", .. what does this mean??? Do you think this means that if you're "Black and Chosen" you can keep a half-ash Law, and go out on the streets and bash the White-Gentiles and tell them Jesus did NOT come for them, and that they will burn in hell forever, .. in Jesus name?
The Gentiles were not given the Law, yet many kept the law because nature (Gods order in His creation) teaches them the Law, and if they break it, they will perish, for God put Judges over them.
Wait, do you actually think that "those who were given the law", and broke it, and shall be judged by the law will not Perish into everlasting hell fire? "Those who knew little will be punished a little, BUT those who knew much (those who were given the Law and God called His People") will be punished with many stripes!
Now, as most Christians do, they run to the verse that says, you are not justified by the law, but by grace or by faith in Jesus Christ. So, I’ll wait for that verse.
And yes, if Christians do and say according to the Bible, then so will I. Not because I'm a Christian, but because I am a follower of the Way, the Truth and the Life, because I know and believe that "No One comes to the Father except through Him".
If you know Christ, you would not be mentioning the Law, nor about how the Jews were given the Law, .. for it would be a shame to reveal how that the Jews were given the Law almost 4,000 years and have not kept it, yet there were, and are Gentiles who not having the Law did abide by the Law!
My Salvation is "Christ crucified" not that I'm a Jew, or chosen to receive the Law and keep breaking it.
I follow Christ to the best of my ability because even if I fail him, he is Merciful as long as I repent, .. not try to keep the Law to the best of my ability, and then when I break them, call upon Christ to die for me.
The redemption of the Law was continuous animal sacrifices, and if you were a Jew, you would have known that.
But for me, Christ died once and for all of my sins, thus no more need for sacrifices.
Do I still sin? If I said no, I would be a liar. I don't want to sin, but this body that I'm in is weak, and I fall short and fall, I sin, which is why I pray always, and repent of my sins which Christ blood will wash me clean of.
For you, you put the Law first, then Christ, so you crucify Christ every time you break the Law.
Me, I put Christ first, so how could I willingly sin knowing its not just some dumb animals blood that will cleanse me, but the Crucified Christ!? And remember that if you go by the Law, should you break one, you break them all, .. just as Adam and Eve did breaking Gods One command: "Do not touch"!
The Bible is a puzzle. You have to put the pieces together and you have to have common sense. Who was the law given to?
Abraham is the father of Isaac, and Isaac is the father of Jacob. God chose Isaac’s seed.
Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
I still don't see where it says all nations when it clearly says "IN ISAAC SHALL THY DEED BE CALLED." Isaac is Jacob's father and Jacob is the father of the 12 tribes of Israel... Yes, and what kind of Children were the 12 sons of Jacob/Israel? If it wasn't for Gods Promise, the Gentiles (yes, not the Jewish Gentiles, but there existed regular Gentiles, even Whites, Blacks, Red and Yellow) would have surely destroyed them all for their wicked, backstabbing, lying ways!
This is about the coming of Christ to come for a Chosen People, who many times were more wicked than any Gentile Nation. So God promise could be fulfilled, and to show that it has nothing to do with wicked men, but that it is God who saves.
Death was upon man since Adam and Eve, no one knew about resurrection, or about eternal life with God, no one. God planned this all out, keeping it a secret till the coming of His son Word.
1 Cor 2:6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, 8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written:
“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”
10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.(Please note that it does NOT say what you want to say:
“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man the Jews
The things which God has prepared for those Jews who love Him.”)
You see, God had a plan, and even though the People He called "His own" were evil and did wicked things up to murdering His bellowed son. So God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of the rulers of this age knew;
This is why God "chose" a people for Himself, so the devil and those men who serve him would not figure out Gods plan of salvation of the whole world, which was by sacrificing His Only Son, .. for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory, and Gods plan could not be fulfilled.
God does work in mysterious ways, but NOT unjust ways as you would like to make it out to be.
TheeKnowing - "what advantage then has the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision?"
Romans 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
What does circumcision and uncircumcision mean in this chapter?
No, it's not talking about the foreskin of the penis.
Yes it is of the foreskin, as a Covenant, which God kept, but the circumcised didn't. You still don't get it. Just as choosing Jacobs 12 good for nothing sons, God chose cutting of the foreskin of the penis, neither of which proved anything good or evil, because even Jacobs sons used it to murder their gentile allies who were willing to be circumcised and accept the God of Jacob.
You are still stuck on the Laws and the promises of keeping the Laws, and not moving on to Christ.
The Jews and the black Jews????
Jews, Jews and Jews, remember that in your Bible definition the Gentiles don't exist, only Jews. Greek, gentile, the whole world, .. it means non-White Jews.
Again, can you show where I said your skin has to be dark to be saved?
Where did you mention of any "White" that can be saved? This leaves only the dark skinned and Negroes since they were slaves, which proves Gods punishment for them (as if whites have not been slaves throughout history?)
The Israelites were scattered among the heathen (Ezekiel 22:15).
As far as Jew Gentiles, which I never said because I said the Northern Kingdom went into idolatry and worshiping other gods under Jeroboam and that's how they became known as Gentiles - but can you show the history of the Northern Kingdom of Israel, as well as the Southern Kingdom in the Bible? The captivities and the split of Israel?
You say the Israelites were scattered amongst the heathen, and became known as Gentiles, yet you say you never said Jew Gentile!? Are the Jews not part of the Children of Israel and visa versa? Did the rest of the Children of Israel not have the Law? Did Jesus come for the Jews only, who by the way were the ones who murdered him?
Did the Jews worship the One True God?
John 8:19 Then they said to Him, “Where is Your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither Me nor My Father. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also.”Jesus sent the 70 to go to the Lost Tribe of Israel, obviously they knew where in the world they were, and how to recognize them even if they were worshipping Gentile pagan gods!? So what was Paul's vision about? What "Gentiles" did Jesus send Him and Peter to?
WHY were the Apostles so against it when not long ago Jesus supposedly sent the Seventy just for this very purpose?
But you know what, how about this? If you can show me One Church full of Law-abiding Jews who can show they are true-blooded Jews or any true Israelite, I will with Gods help fly there myself and see this miracle. I don't mean some Colored people claiming to be Jews or one of the Lost Tribes of Israel who keep a few of the Laws of Moses, but I want to see proof that they are pure Jews/Lost Tribe, and not half White, or mixed in with Christian or other pagan Religions!? Jews who can explain the true message of Christ, not the White mans Christian version!
I also want to see what basis, what grounds they use to justify they are either of the Lost Tribe, or Jews. If it's historical, scientific like DNA of a real Jew to compare to, .. what?
I know the Bible, so I will be looking at their actions guided by the Holy Spirit, and I want to see, hear and feel the presence of the Holy Spirit in them, guiding their interpretation of the Bible and the words of Christ, because from what I have seen of your Black Panther-Brotherhood on the streets condemning those Whites who you yourself said "never had the law", .. making white girls cry by telling them they will be slaves, and never having hope of salvation in response to a white girl asking them if they were ever raped by a gang of Black Men, well I did not see Christ, or the Holy Spirit emanating from them!?
But then, according to you, that is what the Black Jesus is like? But who said this then: "If you love those who love you back, what reward is there? Don't the White people do the same? But I tell you; "love your enemies, do good to them that hate you and despitefully use you, if a White man robs you and takes your bike, your money, steals your car, attacks you six on one and they beat you to a pulp, forgive them, .. heck, go with them another mile so they can beat you some more, ..."
Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
GOD FORBID meaning NO!
What is sin?
1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Sin is breaking the law. So, shall we break the law because we are under grace? GOD FORBID, meaning NO!
If you can't "see" what it says, then you don't have the Spirit of God, because even a child can understand this! Read it again and again, carefully. Here, let me break it down for you:
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace?
Are we under the law? It says: "we are not under law but under grace" Now he explains how we ought to live Not Under The Law:
Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death,
Please re-read this whole chapter, it is clear as day.
It seems you don't even understand or know the Bible at all. First you said that Abraham wasn't under the law, the Bible proved you wrong on that. Now you're asking Abraham, Isaac and Jacob where chosen from where...I'm arguing with a wall here. So I'm going to leave you to your confusion and you can continue believing whatever you THINK the Bible is say just because you read verse on love and omit the rest of the Bible.
Now, I will leave you with some holy words from Christ himself.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Good bye now….
Yes, please listen to what Jesus said here, that we are to "DO what Jesus commended us" and NOT try to "Keep The Law as it was given" which we all failed to keep for over 6,000 years.
What commandment did Jesus leave us with?
"Love one another as I have loved you!" because this sums up all the laws of the Prophets including the Laws of Moses.
Or, you can go out into the streets and bash White people how they were chosen for Gods wrath, and that Jesus did NOT come for them, but just you. And show them how the Black people love one another, because they always had the Law, and they were always the keepers of the Law, that it was Not given to any White people. Yes, that should fulfill your version of John 3:16, right? The Black Christ version where "the World" means you.
Remember I grew up in the worst part of Detroit, the East Side, by the Projects, went to school there and worked doing Plastic Furniture covers, and I also worked with the White superior race Nazi-youth later on as I got older, .. so I know both sides of the story well, first hand.
As for understanding the Bible, .. we'll let the readers decide?!
May the Lord Jesus open your eyes my friend, and send you His holy spirit to teach you to do his commandments, "to love"!
When you refer to big-enders, do you mean people like Kim Kardashian? I don't see how they rate their own special gender.AmericanFurryBoy said:Try me. Tell me there are more. Come with facts to. Your gender is whats in your pants and on your chest. Only two combinations for that. Unless your counting bigenders. They exist.