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illegal immigration debate

agsragsr 75 Points

illegal immigration debate


This debate Intensified in the United States since Donald Trump became President. There are estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants in the US, and controversy around the inflow and outflow of that population is at an all time high.

 On DebateIsland, there is a dedicated section on immigration at
http://www.DebateIsland.com/categories/immigration

The most popular topic has been if the wall should be build.
There are good resources on this topic of illegal immigration at http://immigration.procon.org
And
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States

The big 2 topics part of the debate include
1) the wall
2) deportations

There is also a lot of confusion if those supporting anti-illegal immigration are racists or act anti-humane. Many of the proponents of deportations clarify that they are not against immigration, but against illegal immigration.

  1. Illegal immigration debate - what side are you on?9 votes
    1. I support anti-illegal immigration measures (build the wall, deport illegal immigrants)
      78%
    2. I am against anti-illegal immigration measures (no wall, no deportations)
      22%
    3. I am partially supportive
        0%

Comments

  • islander507islander507 32 Points
    I am in full support of President Trump decisive actions on this illegal immigration debate.
    if we are to fix the root cause of the issue we need to address both the existing undocumented immigrants and the inflow of new ones.
    Donald Trump's plan to build the wall will sigificantly limit the inflow, and his deportations (strarting with those who have criminal records) will improve the outflow.

    Trump is taking this illegal immigration debate, and making it real.  That is much more than we can say for Obama administration, who made the problem much worse in his 8 year of tenure as the President.
  • ale5ale5 32 Points
    I am against Trump anti-immigration policies. 
    1) deportations are too ambiguous and are not realistic nor scalable for 11 million undocumented immigrants, where many of them are entrenched here with kids.
    2) The Wall is just too expensive at the time we are struggling with major debt and financial issues

  • WhyTrumpWhyTrump 12 Points
    Trump immigration policy is not a policy but an open discrimination.  
    I don't support it.
    undocumented immigrants is a much more complex problem than just getting thrown out without consideration. However they got here, we need to be more considered given the size of illegal immigrant population. 11 million is a hugh number.
    the wall will cost too much money, and likely will just fill pockets of Trump's construction friends. I would vote for the wall if it would be free, but it's far from that.

  • inc4tinc4t 32 Points
    This horrifying teen rape case exposes all that's wrong with the

    illegal immigration debate 

    it shows strong argument for the Anti-illegal immigration side

    horrific story of how a 14-year-old girl identified as the victim was walking down the Rockville High School hallway when she was forcibly dragged into a bathroom stall by 18-year-old Henry Sanchez and 17-year-old Jose Montano. 2 illegal immigrants.

    Last March, two illegal immigrants from Honduras repeatedly raped a 12-year-old girl.

    Adding insult to injury, the Montgomery County schools board’s website offers a Spanish-language page affirming that illegals should feel “safe and welcome” in their classrooms – adding that illegals have a constitutional right to a public school education. 

    The consolation and assurance to the recent 14-year-old victim, her family, and citizens whose sense of security has once again been shaken by illegal-immigrant crime? A letter home to parents.

    https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2017/03/this-horrifying-teen-rape-case-exposes-all-thats-wrong-with-the-illegal-immigration-debate#sthash.YdDCH1O9.dpuf

  • Odin1Odin1 17 Points
    Ever since President Reagan gave amnesty to 2 million illegal immigrants; he made it very clear the border was to be protected and the Federal Immigration law was to be enforced, but our government let us down over and over again. Now, look at where we are at; we have over 11 million illegal immigrants and who knows how many have committed a crime against US Citizens or people who are here illegally or legally to be come a citizen.

    It is very frustration living in a State and City who thinks they are above enforcing Federal Immigration Laws; however, if choose to break a law we pay for the crime and so should each of these politicians think they can just pick an choose which laws to abide by. Too many people are being hurt and they just protect these illegal immigrants over actual people who are trying to abide by the law. They say they are protecting all of their citizens, but they are not. We are a nation of immigrants; however, we are nations of laws.

    I heard what happened to the 14 year old girl who was raped and one of the guys was an illegal immigrant - he needs to be deported. Families have lost loved ones and had their families broken up by illegal immigrants who murdered a son, a daughter, a sister, a father, a mother, and so forth. Yes, they are so concerned about breaking up families where an illegal immigrant committed a serious crime? I just don't get it!

    It will be difficult to decide who will be deported after the illegal immigrants who committed crimes. I personally think, the Federal Government will need to find out how long they have been here (like more than 8 years) and they have to pay a fine, get a green card to get a job, and they have to work to become a citizen. I also believe if they do not want to give up their allegiance to their country than they can take their family and go back home. This is what people do when they become a citizen and it is in our constitution.

    The wall needs to be built and the border needs to be enforced...this needs to happen first before starting to deport unless we know for sure someone did commit a crime.

    I love my country and I would want people who immigrate here love this country as well and assimilate to our values and culture; however, they can definitely have their culture as well. America is about customs.
        
    aarong
  • ale5ale5 32 Points
    @Odin1 , while I agree it is horrible what happened in these specific cases, at the same time we cannot use these isolated examples to make villains out of all illegal immigrants.  That is only one side of the illegal immigration debate, and most rapes and murders happen by US citizens.  
    I also agree that we should deport these specific criminals who were involved in these violent crimes.  We can also debate if Trump's campaign of initial deportations of undocumented immigrants with criminal records is warranted. I personally argue that it is not.

    Mass Deportation of 11 million undocumented immigrants though is a much more complex topic than something we can influence with isolated cases like these.

    I know that many Trump supporters object to Media unfairly attacking Trump, but in this case anti-immigration supporters are unfairly generalizing 11 million people via just a few bad apples.
  • love2debatelove2debate 37 Points
    @ale5 ,I disagre.  @Odin1 , I agree with your position.

    the key point is that the illegal immigrants are not assimilated in US, they still live in their country, their language, and they are not part of the United States.  They are a tax burden to the tax payers, get free healthcare, education, and when you read about such violent crimes, it is must wrong.
    All illegal immigrants with any sort of criminal records should be deported immediately, consistent with Trump deportations. Yes, there will be some noise, but that is better than hearing cases like in this article.
    The rest should be deportd back over the next few years. They key is that it is illegal immigration and to odin1 point - while our country has been built on immigrants, the due were paid and it was part of legal immigration.  I would like to remind others, that it is an 

    illegal immigration debate

    not just 

    immigration debate

  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 53 Points
    @ale5 My main concern isn't about crimes committed by certain illegal aliens, it's that the illegals coming over the border aren't assimilating into our culture.  Instead, most of them are settling near the border creating a borderland, like Gaza and the West Bank, or Bosnia, or Kashmir.  They're creating a large area of divided loyalty.  When other immigrants came to this country, they left their old culture behind and became Americans.  By-and-large, the Mexicans in particular don't need to do that.  They can settle right near the border of their home country and usurp the culture that's already there. 
  • ale5ale5 32 Points
    @CYDdharta , that part of your argument I agree with you. The issue is that they are not assimilating and are a burden to our society in many ways.
    i am saying that given we have 11 million undocumented immigrants we cannot just treat them as animals and need to have a humane strategy to deal with the issue.  I like an approach that combines some deportations after thorough vetting of criminal activity, and at the same time a path to citizenship, rewarding the right behavior.  For such a complex problem, a single-sided view on just deporting everyone is inhumane.
    I am also not against of concept of the wall if it will be effective, but I just don't think it will be and will cost too much for the tax payers 

  • agsragsr 75 Points
    I think that @CYDdharta makes a great point regarding essentially expanding their territory with having illegal population take over US territory. If they don't pay taxes and dont adapt our culture then it might as well be mexico just north of the mexico border.
    illegal immigration debate has so many shades, but in general I am biased towards a proactive action-oriented approach.  
  • natbaronsnatbarons 2 Points
    Challenge

    Con

    Immigrants deserve a chance in the US, even if they came here illegally. Imagine if you were an illegal immigrant who has the worst life in your own country. The illegal immigrants can help pay taxes and can provide their services. Illegal immigrants can also give the US information. For example, let's say a member of ISIS decides to quit when he found out what ISIS was doing. If he came to the US, he could give the US info on where ISIS is heading next or their attack plans. So illegal immigrants can be useful for info if they come from an enemy nation.
  • agsragsr 75 Points
    @natbarons
    surely unconditionally saying that 100% of illegal Immigrants are not useful is wrong, so I agree with some of your examples.
    That said, the fact is that mostly illegal immigrants don't pay taxes and 11 million undocumented immigrants is a burden on US economic and social system. 

  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 53 Points

    @natbarons ; Imagine if you came here and brought the worst of your native country with you, as all too many illegals do; for instance;

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/22/high-school-rape-in-maryland-shows-need-for-toughe/

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/03/21/authorities-raid-suspected-cockfighting-site-in-detroit/

    Don't US citizens deserve protection from people who don't respect our laws?

  • joecavalryjoecavalry 37 Points
    I totally agree with @CYDdharta  's amazing point. 
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