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The unforgiveable sin explained (blasphemy of the Holy Spirit).
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By YeshuaBoughtYeshuaBought 57 Pts
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  • EvidenceEvidence 615 Pts
    @YeshuaBought ;
    All Minister John MacArthur does here is talk about how important it is for him as a Christian defender to know and to confess that Jesus is God, almost as if he is saying that if we don't, that would be "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit".

    He refers to:
    Mark 3:28 “Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; 29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation”— 30 because they said, “He has an unclean spirit.”

    so he ties this together with the Trinity Doctrine teaching that Jesus is God, and as the Christian went through Europe beheading, burning, torturing anyone who would not accept the Christian Trinity-gods, he is painting the same picture: If we don't accept Jesus as God, then we are blaspheming against the Holy spirit as the scribes have saying that Jesus had the spirit of Beelzebub.

    Even though I used to love to listen to Mr. MacArthur as a Christian, I no longer do. I have renounced the pagan god worshipping multi-god Christian Religion, but not the good Bible believing and Christ teachings loving people, because I know with all my heart how I have been deceived all those years. So I pray in the name of Jesus Christ that he would send the Holy Spirit to open the eyes of all those good people who still hold on to Christianity and their gods, to "Get Out Of Her!"

    Mr. MacArthur is the one blaspheming God Word by suppressing the Holy Spirit from teaching billions of people the truth with this repetitious, brainwashing of over and over again pounding into peoples head the Trinity doctrine that makes Jesus a sun-god which we all know is Lucifer. He will have a lot to answer for on the fast coming Judgement Day!
  • pocopoco 39 Pts
    Christians do not have to be concerned about this.  Over & over in the NT, it tells us, that's once someone is 'saved,' it is irrevocable.  No where does it state otherwise.
    If someone blasphemes the Holy Spirit, they were never a true Christian to begin with.
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  • @poco
    There is no true Christian. There are many denominations in Christianity, and all disagree on certain aspects. The Bible is up to interpretation by anyone, and some people view things written in the bible differently than others. Some people also choose to disagree with scripture at points. If to be a true Christian, you have to believe everything in the bible as literal fact, then true Christians would be a tiny minority.
  • pocopoco 39 Pts
    you:  There is no true Christian. There are many denominations in Christianity, and all disagree on certain aspects. The Bible is up to interpretation by anyone, and some people view things written in the bible differently than others. Some people also choose to disagree with scripture at points. If to be a true Christian, you have to believe everything in the bible as literal fact, then true Christians would be a tiny minority.


    me:  Just how have you ascertained there's no true Christians?
    I ask you if you know what is required to be a true follower of Jesus.  (Hint ..... sinner's prayer says a lot re this), & to be guaranteed salvation with God. 

    & no, the bible is not up to interpretation by anyone, altho it's true that there are diff interpretations of the same idea.  Though, there is agreement re much of what the bible's verses mean ..... & its message.  That is what's important, not a certain verses here & there.  The more one studies, the better acquainted they become with the bible's message.

    I don't know where you have ever heard that it takes a belief of a literal read of the bible to be a true Christian.  Please elaborate, bc that's a new one on me.  Just a cursory read of the NT will tell you that ...... over & over.

    You, like many other commenters here seem to assume things, for whatever reason, rather than investigate what you think is true. 
    Please tell me where you have come up with your beliefs stated above.  & wherever you have come up with them, don't go back for more "biblical knowledge."

    You seem to be typical re criticism of the bible.  Thing is, shouldn't one study both sides of a topic so as to become familiar with the truth about both sides, rather than assume things?  I am so very surprised that so many people never seemed to be familiar with debating protocol from argumentative English.  One would learn to attempt to be an expert with both sides of any argument to be able to argue from an intelligent perspective, rather than opinions such as you have come up with.  So puzzling. 





  • @Polaris95

    You stated "The Bible is up to interpretation by anyone, and some people view things written in the bible differently than others. Some people also choose to disagree with scripture at points. If to be a true Christian, you have to believe everything in the bible as literal fact; then true Christians would be a tiny minority." So, let's break this down and explain each claim you have made. 

    "The Bible is up to interpretation by anyone, and some people view things written in the bible differently than others." 
    • It is true anyone can interpret the Bible; the key is not to find your interpretation that fits your worldview but to study the scriptures make harmony with the whole Bible and understand what God's understanding is.  In other words, study to understand what God says, not what you want him to say.  Do this, and there is no disagreement.

    "Some people also choose to disagree with scripture at points." 
    • This is true because it does not fit their worldview.  For instance, the New Testament says there is only one reason to divorce a spouse, and that is for adultery (Mathew 19.9 "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery."). However, many have twisted the scriptures and believe it's okay to divorced because I can always ask for forgiveness.  It is true one can ask for forgiveness, but forgiveness does not dissolve an adulteress relationship.  In other words, if one asks for forgiveness of something, it's called repenting, and you can't continue in the same state.  Example:  If a person robs a bank and ask for forgiveness can he keep the money?  No, he is still a thief and has stolen good.
    "If to be a true Christian, you have to believe everything in the bible as literal fact; then true Christians would be a tiny minority."
    • You don't have to believe everything literally because some parts of the bible are not meant to be literal.  There are parts that poetry, there are parts that are apocalyptic and or figurative in their speech, such as the book of Revelation.  Part's are parables that give a moral message, like in the Beatitudes (Mat 5-7) Christ said if your eye causes you to sin pluck it out.  He did not mean for you to mutilate your body.  He was instead stressing the importance of not having a sinful nature.   However, there are in fact many parts that are to be taken literal, again the key is to study and to come to know what is literal and what is not.   Understanding the Bible is not rock science, but when we want to make it fit into a worldview that it was not meant to, i.e., a sinful nature.  Things become complicated, not because of Gods word, but by our desires.
    • I do believe that there are just a few true Christians in the world.  When you study the Old Testament, the Jews often went against God's desires.  He would let them digress to a certain point then He would have them destroyed or put into captivity.  However, every time this took place, it speaks of God saving a remnant.  A small group of loyal followers.  Now does that mean everyone who professes to be a Christian is going to hell, no, but I believe that what it's saying is that out of all of mankind only a small portion will be found to have been faithful unto death? 
    When it comes to understanding what blasphemy is and what the only unforgivable sin is.  The word blasphemy can and does mean to elevate one's self to God's level or high in our thinking.  So, when a person thinks they know more than God or the Holy Spirit that person is not going to be apt to asking for forgiveness and repenting of their sins.  Instead, they will continue in their sinful nature.  So I tend to believe the only unforgivable sin is one you refuse to repent of, thus blaspheming against the Spirit.

  • EvidenceEvidence 615 Pts
    poco said:
    Christians do not have to be concerned about this.  Over & over in the NT, it tells us, that's once someone is 'saved,' it is irrevocable.  No where does it state otherwise.
    If someone blasphemes the Holy Spirit, they were never a true Christian to begin with.
    @poco It's been a long time I debated this "once saved always saved", .. can you elaborate on it some more with scripture?
    Thanks.
  • EvidenceEvidence 615 Pts
    poco said:
    you:  There is no true Christian. There are many denominations in Christianity, and all disagree on certain aspects. The Bible is up to interpretation by anyone, and some people view things written in the bible differently than others. Some people also choose to disagree with scripture at points. If to be a true Christian, you have to believe everything in the bible as literal fact, then true Christians would be a tiny minority.


    me:  Just how have you ascertained there's no true Christians?
    I ask you if you know what is required to be a true follower of Jesus.  (Hint ..... sinner's prayer says a lot re this), & to be guaranteed salvation with God. 

    & no, the bible is not up to interpretation by anyone, altho it's true that there are diff interpretations of the same idea.  Though, there is agreement re much of what the bible's verses mean ..... & its message.  That is what's important, not a certain verses here & there.  The more one studies, the better acquainted they become with the bible's message.

    I don't know where you have ever heard that it takes a belief of a literal read of the bible to be a true Christian.  Please elaborate, bc that's a new one on me.  Just a cursory read of the NT will tell you that ...... over & over.

    You, like many other commenters here seem to assume things, for whatever reason, rather than investigate what you think is true. 
    Please tell me where you have come up with your beliefs stated above.  & wherever you have come up with them, don't go back for more "biblical knowledge."

    You seem to be typical re criticism of the bible.  Thing is, shouldn't one study both sides of a topic so as to become familiar with the truth about both sides, rather than assume things?  I am so very surprised that so many people never seemed to be familiar with debating protocol from argumentative English.  One would learn to attempt to be an expert with both sides of any argument to be able to argue from an intelligent perspective, rather than opinions such as you have come up with.  So puzzling. 





    @poco where in the Bible does it teach for anyone to be Christian?

    25 Then Barnabas departed for Tarsus to seek Saul.
    26 And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.

    The disciples were first called Christian in Antioch, and this mock word spread quickly, and we can see why?

    Antioch was the centre of the Seleucid kingdom until 64 bce, when it was annexed by Rome and was made the capital of the Roman province of Syria. It became the third largest city of the Roman Empire in size and importance (after Rome and Alexandria) and possessed magnificent temples, theatres, aqueducts, and baths. The city was the headquarters of the Roman garrison in Syria, one of whose principal duties was the defense of the empire’s eastern border from Persian attacks. it was there that the followers of Christ were first called Christians, and the city was the headquarters of the missionary St. Paul about 47–55 ce.

    There are only three places in the Bible that mention the word "Christian", in Acts 11:25, and here Acts 26, which seems like this could be used to refer someone to become a Christian, but not really. Let's examine it;

    Acts 26:24 Now as he thus made his defense, Festus said with a loud voice, “Paul, you are beside yourself! Much learning is driving you mad!” 

    We can see it starts off as mockery with Festus hinting on Paul going mad!

    25 But he said, “I am not mad, most noble Festus, but speak the words of truth and reason. 26 For the king, before whom I also speak freely, knows these things; for I am convinced that none of these things escapes his attention, since this thing was not done in a corner. 27 King Agrippa, do you believe the prophets? I know that you do believe.”

    28 Then Agrippa said to Paul, “You almost persuade me to become a Christian.”

    29 And Paul said, “I would to God that not only you, but also all who hear me today, might become both almost and altogether such as I am, except for these chains.”

    Paul knew what Agrippa was referring to; followers/disciples of Christ  which is what Paul now was, but instead of Agrippa saying: "You almost persuade me to become a disciple of Christ" he used the mock name that was becoming popular with the Gentiles in Antioch and surrounding cities, the word "Christian" because obviously Agrippa didn't want Paul to take his suggestion seriously.

    So the first time the word is mentioned in Acts 11:25, then in Acts 26:28, .. and finally Peter addressed the growing problem with the Believers in 1 Peter 4:

    Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
  • pocopoco 39 Pts

    you: It's been a long time I debated this "once saved always saved", .. can you elaborate on it some more with scripture?
    Thanks.




    me:  (a)Romans 8:30 declares, "And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified." This verse tells us that from the moment God chooses us, it is as if we are glorified in His presence in heaven. There is nothing that can prevent a believer from one day being glorified because God has already purposed it in heaven. Once a person is justified, his salvation is guaranteed—he is as secure as if he is already glorified in heaven.

    (b) Paul asks two crucial questions in Romans 8:33-34 "Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us." Who will bring a charge against God's elect? No one will, because Christ is our advocate. Who will condemn us? No one will, because Christ, the One who died for us, is the one who condemns. We have both the advocate and judge as our Savior.

    (c) Believers are born again (regenerated) when they believe John 3:3, Titus 3:5. For a Christian to lose his salvation, he would have to be un-regenerated. The Bible gives no evidence that the new birth can be taken away.

    (d) The Holy Spirit indwells all believers John 14:7, Romans 8:9 and baptizes all believers into the Body of Christ             1 Corinthians 12:13. For a believer to become unsaved, he would have to be "un-indwelt" and detached from the Body of Christ.

    (e) John 3:15 states that whoever believes in Jesus Christ will "have eternal life." If you believe in Christ today and have eternal life, but lose it tomorrow, then it was never "eternal" at all. Hence, if you lose your salvation, the promises of eternal life in the Bible would be in error.

    (f) In a conclusive argument, Scripture says, "For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord" Romans 8:38-39. Remember the same God who saved you is the same God who will keep you. Once we are saved, we are always saved. Our salvation is most definitely eternally secure!


  • pocopoco 39 Pts
    Re your question about teaching a Christian .... Was that rhetorical bc you seemed to answer it?
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