Allah v. Yeshua (Only Yeshua is God, prove me wrong)

AbedRamzy

Argument Topic: The answer to a big question is that; Is the God of Islam correct? Or so to speak The God proposed by St. Paul who deceived the Christian world for centuries instead of the true God Jesus!

@RickeyD

You yourself have quoted a verse from the Holy Bible and interpreted it yourself and issued a ruling!

It's funny that you assume that the God of Islam is the same as the devil, while you ignore, for example, the God of the Torah, Yahweh, who in Deuteronomy invites the Israelites to kill and commit genocide in the worst way to take revenge on their enemies?!

Look at history and not at the Bible; Look at the history and see that most Christians and Jews started destructive wars against humanity or Muslims?????

Look at the Christians who started the crusades and destroyed millions of people for a century! The so-called religion of mercy which claims that Christ brought the message of love and affection from God to mankind!

AbedRamzy

Argument Topic: The answer to a big question is that; Is the God of Islam correct? Or so to speak The God proposed by St. Paul who deceived the Christian world for centuries instead of the true God Jesus!

AbedRamzy said:

@RickeyD

You yourself have quoted a verse from the Holy Bible and interpreted it yourself and issued a ruling!

It's funny that you assume that the God of Islam is the same as the devil, while you ignore, for example, the God of the Torah, Yahweh, who in Deuteronomy invites the Israelites to kill and commit genocide in the worst way to take revenge on their enemies?!

Look at history and not at the Bible; Look at the history and see that most Christians and Jews started destructive wars against humanity or Muslims?????

Look at the Christians who started the crusades and destroyed millions of people for a century! The so-called religion of mercy which claims that Christ brought the message of love and affection from God to mankind!

bjinthirty

im pretty sure no one gives a f

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyD ;

YOUR MEANINGLESS QUOTE ABOUT JESUS: "All glory and honor to Yeshua who is victorious over the Evil One and has set the captives free from death in sin and Hell via His love and mercy at the Crucifixion."


First thing you Bible fool, Jesus/Yeshuah DID NOT create Hell and not plan on using it, where there are many passages showing that who is going to the sulfur lakes of Hell, understood Bible dumb ?

WAKE UP!  The bottom line is Jesus/Yeshua DID NOT die for you inept pseudo-christians to save your sorry asses from going to hell, because He became alive again after His 3 day tomb nap, GET IT?  Duh!

Therefore, how can Jesus "truly die" for your sins, if He remained alive after His 3 day tomb nap subsequent to His resurrection?!  Dying for only 3 days in the tomb, and coming back to life, is an embarrassment if one wants to use the notion of "Jesus died for your sins" because Jesus remained alive and not dead!  GET IT?

The simple math is since Jesus did not stay dead, as in a true sacrifice shown elsewhere within the Bible, then He rationally didn’t save any Christians from their sins because He had to die forever as a TRUE Sacrifice! Therefore, John 3:16 is a ruse shown herewith: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." (John 3:16)

RICKEYD REPRESENTS JUST ANOTHER BIBLE INEPT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN!

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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyD

Has anyone seen the Bible fool RICKEYD run past their house because of my post to him shown above that he cannot address and remain intelligent looking in the aftermath?
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/163597/#Comment_163597

This Religion Forum is full of Bible pseudo-christians, where what they thought they knew, they didn't!  LOL!  

Sargonski

RickeyD said:

Islam is most certainly an Abrahamic Religion as Islam finds its genesis in Ishmael born to Abraham through an adulterous relationship with Hagar. Ishmael is the progenitor of a people our Creator refers to as “wild donkeys” and it is through Abraham’s infidelity with Hagar that Lucifer-Satan has publicly introduced himself to mankind (Genesis 16:12; 2 Corinthians 11:14).

Lucifer’s sin in the Kingdom was covetousness, for Lucifer passionately desired to be like the Most High and desperately desired God’s worship, authority, dominion. It is Lucifer’s attempted coup de taut in the Kingdom before the creation of Time that initiated the creation of Time, the Universe, Earth, mankind, Hell; this was done in order that the sin of Lucifer could be removed from the Kingdom and dealt with within the constraints of Time apart from the Kingdom were nothing impure is permitted to exist (2 Timothy 1:10; 1 John 3:8; Revelation 21:27).

Lucifer, a beautiful cherub angel (Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:12-17), coerced one-third of the entire angelic realm to follow him in a cosmic rebellion (Revelation 12:4), a coup de taut, against our Creator, Jesus Christ-Yeshua; therefore, Lucifer and the rebellious angels (now demons) were removed from the Kingdom (Luke 10:18; Isaiah 14:12-15). Our Creator spoke into existence the realm of Time by fashioning unseen elements of the Spiritual World into matter visible to the senses of mankind constrained by Time (Hebrews 11:3) and within the constraints of Time, our Creator placed this Universe, Earth, mankind and Lucifer (Genesis 3).

It was in the Garden of Eden that the struggle between Yeshua and Lucifer/Allah was initiated (Genesis 3:14-15) and that struggle can be observed throughout the pre-flood and post-flood generations with its most virulent episode manifesting at the Crucifixion of Yeshua. It was not until the 7th-Century that Lucifer publicly introduced himself through an Arabic moon-god (2 Corinthians 11:14) and a false prophet, desert murderer and pedophile named Muhammad. It is through the way of Islam that Allah-Satan has received power, dominion, worship, as he fervently battles against the people of Yeshua i.e. the Jews and the Christians. Allah-Satan finds acceptance and legitimacy by touting the relationship of Islam with Abraham via Hagar via Ishmael.

Allah-Satan conspired with Hitler and untold others to destroy the Jew, but Allah-Satan in his efforts to annihilate the Jewish people unwittingly inspired the “Never Again” movement and the Nation of Israel was reborn (1948); the struggle between Allah-Satan and Yeshua has exponentially increased subsequent to the fulfillment of Ezekiel’s prophecy (Ezekiel 34:13). It will ultimately be Islam-Allah-Satan and his allies, Russia-China-Arabic coalition, that sparks the coming Apocalypse that will be a nuclear war initiated in Jerusalem, Israel. Yeshua will be victorious (Revelation 5:5)! Know your enemy!

All glory and honor to Yeshua who is victorious over the Evil One and has set the captives free from death in sin and Hell via His love and mercy at the Crucifixion.

Allah and YHWH are just different names for the same God..       This is why all three are referred to as Abrahamic Religions .. as all worship the god of Abraham ... supposedly . 

Swolliw

@RickeyD You are very wrong by the very fact that you have quoted ill-gotten phrases from a book that has absolutely no credibility, honesty or factualness whatsoever. 

Dreamer

Argument Topic: The original post is intellectually bankrupt Islamphobia.

@RickeyD

The new atheist movement leaders come under a lot of fire for being bigots. See Salon godless grifters. This post shows you can be an old fashion Christian bigot.

Was it really necessary to call the Islam God the ultimate evil? Does that not go into hate territory? When convincing others political correctness might be the best way, using the least offensive language. Why, because people have feelings and when a person talking is offensive the listener becomes more defensive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Chapel_Hill_shooting

Muslims are already targeted by hate crimes.

As for which makes more sense Christianity versus Islam, Islam is more logical, or more accurately less illogical.

"What seems to be the number one reason people stop believing the Bible, is them reading it."

https://medium.com/excommunications/ten-fatal-flaws-of-the-bible-24ef7a305f3f

Christianity is stuck with bible passages that refer to a flat Earth.  6,000 to 10,000 years old. All the flaws of the Noah's ark passages.

One of the best defenses that Islam has is that the Koran has to be read in Arabic. This avoids mis-translation errors. So unless you know good Arabic you can't really make an effective rebuttal of Islam.

Sand

Argument Topic: Lack of Empathy and Arrogance drives these viewpoints

If you look hard enough every document has contradictions, or a person can make arguments that make every written concept seem like lies.

The goal is not always to attack the contradictions, but it is to focus on the truths in the material.

Judaism is the foundation of Christianity, and Christianity is the foundation that Islam stands on.

All have truths and contradictions.

The God of Islam is the same God of Christianity and the same God of Judaism.

During the Quran, Injil, Torah, and Biblical timelines, servants would have the name of their God in their name.

Yeshua is an alternative form of "Yehoshua" when translated means "Yahweh is salvation"

Meaning that Yeshua is a servant, which is mentioned in the Bible many times - Matthew 12:18, Acts 3:13, Acts 3:26, Acts 4:27-29

Allah translated means "God". Muslims have a list of the 99 names of God, all having a form of "Allah" in it.

They believe the 100th name is the true name of Allah. That name is Yahweh. Here is one of the reasons why.

7 of the 25 prophets all have "Yahweh" in their name. With names that mean: Yahweh has remembered, My God is Yahweh, Yahweh has been gracious, etc.

Yahweh is in the name "Judaism".

We should show more empathy to understand others and not the arrogance of proving ourselves right.

If you cannot make a rebuttal without knowing a foreign language then every language cannot be rebutted without you knowing it fluently, which makes every country arrogant or a bigot. So this cannot be true, because it hinders empathy or understanding of other viewpoints. The Muslims like to put up that strawman to create arrogance and bigotry. The truth is the more empathy we show to one another the more similarities we will find, the more growth this will cause, and the more truth we will understand.

Yahweh is God.