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Men's Rights are human rights
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By Asher34Asher34 99 Pts
Men have just as much right to equality as women do change my mind 
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  • I'd like to begin by asking who is refuting this statement? Feminism in its orthodox manifestations concur by fighting for the equality of both genders.   
    PlaffelvohfenAlofRI
  • Asher34Asher34 99 Pts
    I'd like to begin by asking who is refuting this statement? Feminism in its orthodox manifestations concur by fighting for the equality of both genders.   
    Feminists claim to care about equal rights when in fact they only want to further the rights of women while curtailing the rights of men down to the point of being their slaves 
    DarthTimonPlaffelvohfenLukeQLDAlofRI
  • @Marcus_Antonius I agree with the fact that women in the past supported equal rights.

    @Asher34 I agree that modern feminists have become the very thing they swore to destroy, sexism.
    Asher34WinstonCall4actt
  • John_C_87John_C_87 347 Pts
    @Asher34 ;
    All men are created equal by their creator, as all women are created equal by their creator. All men and women can not be created equal by their creator's, gender is a basic principle, human right is not a basic principle human is also a basic principle.

    All men are created equal by the title President of the United States of America, all women are created equal by a title of Presadera of the United States of America. All women can not be created to all men as they are not part of the same basic principle.


    LukeQLD
  • @Marcus_Antonius
    Yes.

    @Asher34
    Yes modern day feminism is like this. 
    People irrespective of their genders should have equality. But I think we should firstly have equity; after this we can talk about having equality.
    carryrocks
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  • The structure and institutions of the international legal order set up under the United Nations reflect and ensure the continued dominance of a male perspective. Many generally applicable international human rights principles are inherently biased against women. An important aspect of international human rights law is that, like many national legal systems, it operates primarily in the public sphere, that is, within the world of government, politics, economics, and the workplace, areas traditionally associated with men. The traditional construction of civil and political rights, then, obscures the most consistent harms done to women. It might be thought that "second" generation rights—economic, social, and cultural rights—by their nature transcend the dichotomy between public and private spheres of life and thus offer more to women's lives. The theoretical and practical development of third generation rights has, in fact, delivered very little to women.
  • John_C_87John_C_87 347 Pts
    Asher34 said:
    Men have just as much right to equality as women do change my mind 
    No, they don't. All men do not have the right to equality. All men have the Constitutional right to be created equal by that which forces them into a united state. Just as all women have the constitutional right to be crate equal by those things which force them into a united state.
    Plaffelvohfen
  • Asher34Asher34 99 Pts
    @DebateChamp So to you men do not deserve any human rights thus calling men less than human. 
    PlaffelvohfenScienceRules
  • Men legitametly have the same amount of rights as women. What laws or institutions prohibit the rights of men?
    Not every quote you read on the internet is true- Abraham Lincoln
  • ScienceRulesScienceRules 316 Pts
    edited June 26
    Asher34 said:
    @DebateChamp So to you men do not deserve any human rights thus calling men less than human. 
    What do you mean?
    Lover, hunter, friend and enemy
    You will always be every one of these
    Nothing's fair in love and war.
  • John_C_87John_C_87 347 Pts
    Men legitametly have the same amount of rights as women. What laws or institutions prohibit the rights of men?
    An institution, The declaration of Independence, All men do not share the same level of right as women by an institution of consitution. Since women started to vote In the United States of America men have gained the additional right to create all-women equal by their creator.
  • @Asher34
    Um, yes, men do have the same rights as women...
    Who said they do not?
  • John_C_87John_C_87 347 Pts
    @Asher34
    Um, yes, men do have the same rights as women...
    Who said they do not?
    Men do not have the same constitutional rights as women.
  • LukeQLDLukeQLD 14 Pts
    The structure and institutions of the international legal order set up under the United Nations reflect and ensure the continued dominance of a male perspective. Many generally applicable international human rights principles are inherently biased against women. An important aspect of international human rights law is that, like many national legal systems, it operates primarily in the public sphere, that is, within the world of government, politics, economics, and the workplace, areas traditionally associated with men. The traditional construction of civil and political rights, then, obscures the most consistent harms done to women. It might be thought that "second" generation rights—economic, social, and cultural rights—by their nature transcend the dichotomy between public and private spheres of life and thus offer more to women's lives. The theoretical and practical development of third generation rights has, in fact, delivered very little to women.
    I'd be interested if you could offer evidence to support any of this claim.
  • John_C_87John_C_87 347 Pts
    The structure and institutions of the international legal order set up under the United Nations reflect and ensure the continued dominance of a male perspective. Many generally applicable international human rights principles are inherently biased against women. An important aspect of international human rights law is that, like many national legal systems, it operates primarily in the public sphere, that is, within the world of government, politics, economics, and the workplace, areas traditionally associated with men. The traditional construction of civil and political rights, then, obscures the most consistent harms done to women. It might be thought that "second" generation rights—economic, social, and cultural rights—by their nature transcend the dichotomy between public and private spheres of life and thus offer more to women's lives. The theoretical and practical development of third generation rights has, in fact, delivered very little to women.


    Miranda Right, International.

    The argument with no denial of bias in the international order of human rights made against women, women also make no effort to create themselves equal in a long observation of discrepancy in how women expect others to form groups that are to be seen openly as a unified fundamental principle of solidary between all women. Above this blame on international human rights, or maybe better yet just International living rights, for by definition of word and word alone human count woman with and without child-bearer process meaning they can be counted twice in some circumstance. These conditions of meaning having more complex purpose and unlimited qualifications that drive the formation of principle around a shared idea. Any constitutional nation, even those not bound by the formal structure of a united state in-law, when confronted in questions to their total understandings, it is a criminal who is losing the constitutional right upon conviction anywhere. Which in the international means may court which simply could be impossible to reach to attend trials of international importance. The world of laws and punishments creates the necessity of an account of Human rights but that need of accounting does not stop the idea better words can be created or found to describe the scope of an issue once sheltered in other verbal descriptions. 

    In preserving union between constitution and law, a state of the union in human rights and judicial punishment is not a directive of structure for C.I.A. operations be built as foundation of Central intelligence, intellect, in international legal foreign affairs of all people as united state, it is about structure, structure and structure.  It is due interpretations of filed protest in other years of American history which are to explain the understandings of how a loss of Constitutional right takes place by any relationship to the conviction, those held in the judicial process, foreign or domestic. America's Miranda Right is the historic precedent that waits to be built upon and is the focus of elaborations by the collaborations of central intelligence, smart ideas built around a firm but real understanding constitutional right can not be lost and then argued under any grounds on behalf of convicted to crime.

    Without Prejudice, a centralized form of thinking can be conducted between levels of authority in foreign law, the goal simple, straight forward, not interpretations of vague dialog, meaning built to optimize the political arena serving a vast number of people in many locations, in many times. The explanation is the word Miranda Right to an organized group of people may call availability for understanding on an international level as people conduct themselves in such always distance form a united state in basic explanation becomes insurmountable. There is no doubt people can act out against others like vicious animals and at that point, it is more important than ever a United State be located with Constitutional Rights become assigned under Miranda Right. 


  • @Asher34
    I don't like arguements like this because on paper what you are arguing for is obvious and anyone with basic morality will agree with you. When people say incredibly obvious thing's such as "Men's rights are human rights" in a debate setting then your opponent is trapped in a hard place because then he has to either debate against an obvious statement or try and figure out what your intentions are. No matter which one he chooses you can then proceed to either A belittle him for trying to argue against the obvious or B belittle him for trying to suggests that you have impure intentions behind an otherwise harmless and obvious statement. So my question to you is what are your intentions? What specific area on gender rights are you trying to argue? If it is, men's right should be valued equally as female's then yeah I agree with you. No one would disagree with you unless if you are intentionally doing this to trigger people. Saying such a basic and obvious statement and then going "debate me" is intellectual dishonesty my guy.
  • John_C_87 said:
    @Asher34
    Um, yes, men do have the same rights as women...
    Who said they do not?
    Men do not have the same constitutional rights as women.
    What do you mean? What right that a woman has does a man not, or vice versa?
  • @John_C_87
    In India's constitution as far as I know Article 14 gives all people equality in the eye of law and Article 15(1) prohibits discrimination. The Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) also gives equal rights to all American citizen regardless sex. 
    AlofRIcarryrocks
    Lover, hunter, friend and enemy
    You will always be every one of these
    Nothing's fair in love and war.
  • Asher34Asher34 99 Pts
    @xlJ_dolphin_473 Okay the modern feminist aka misandrist or as I view them anti male movement. Feminists have moved to trying to get men accused of rape to be held to a different legal standard ie guilty until proven otherwise as well as they ignore male victims of sexual assault by both men and women . Feminists have tried to strip any and all parental rights from men that are not just shut and pay child support on a kid you may or may not see / want . Also intersectional feminism has moved to make all the ills of the world the fault of white men . it is acceptable to hate on and attack any white man of average status as some evil monster. I was raised by a very vile woman who was called my mother she was a hardcore radical feminist . I was raised to hate my own gender until I was 17 when I left . It has left me with lasting scars both mentally and physically . The type of feminism I see today is very close to the type of crap I grew up under. Very rarely will a modern feminist take on any cause that is to help a man even tho they love to site the definition of feminism being akin to equality . I do not think Men and women are equals . I think in many ways men are better at most meaningful tasks . Women in my opinion have a lot of unearned privileges that they call rights . If I ran things the rights women have would be tied to the level of responsibility they can exhibit . If they act as if they are a child their level of rights would be on a similar level . But I am a bit of a extremist myself due to life experience.    
  • John_C_87John_C_87 347 Pts
    John_C_87 said:
    @Asher34
    Um, yes, men do have the same rights as women...
    Who said they do not?
    Men do not have the same constitutional rights as women.
    What do you mean? What right that a woman has does a man not, or vice versa?
    A man has a constitutional right to be created equal to a man.
    A woman has a constitutional right to be created equal to a woman.

    The right for a woman to be created equal to a man is not a constitutional right it is a civil right based on a crime of voter tampering.
    A man has a constitutional right to file criminal charges or appear as a witness against a woman who runs for political office of President of the United States of America.

    A woman has a constitutional right to accuse someone of discrimination while illegally running for office even though the suspected crime hides criminal perjury taking place by the woman.
    AlofRIPlaffelvohfen
  • John_C_87John_C_87 347 Pts
    @John_C_87
    In India's constitution as far as I know Article 14 gives all people equality in the eye of law and Article 15(1) prohibits discrimination. The Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) also gives equal rights to all American citizen regardless sex. 

    @ScienceRules ;
    Do you recognize this?

    WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, having solemnly resolved to constitute India into a SOVEREIGN, SOCIALIST, SECULAR, DEMOCRATIC, REPUBLIC and to secure to all its citizens:
    JUSTICE, social, economic and political;constitution of IndiaLIBERTY of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship; EQUALITY of status and of opportunity; and to promote among them all
    FRATERNITY assuring the dignity of the individual and the unity and integrity of the nation; IN OUR CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY this twenty-sixth day of November 1949, do HEREBY ADOPT, ENACT AND GIVE TO OURSELVES THIS CONSTITUTION.
  • @John_C_87
    Of course i do. But this does not show that men and women have different constitutional rights in India. Article 39(a) states:The state to secure for men and women equally the right to an adequate means of livelihood. Article 39(d) states: The state to secure equal pay for equal work for both Indian men and women. Article 16(2) states: No citizen shall be discriminated against or be ineligible for any employment or office under the state on the ground of sex.
    AlofRIPlaffelvohfencarryrocks
    Lover, hunter, friend and enemy
    You will always be every one of these
    Nothing's fair in love and war.
  • AlofRIAlofRI 733 Pts
    John_C_87 said:
    Asher34 said:
    Men have just as much right to equality as women do change my mind 
    No, they don't. All men do not have the right to equality. All men have the Constitutional right to be created equal by that which forces them into a united state. Just as all women have the constitutional right to be crate equal by those things which force them into a united state.
    I have a suggestion to the esteemed leader of this site: I suggest removing the new "strong argument" response and replacing the checkmark with a question mark and simply WTF after it.  :blush:
    PlaffelvohfenScienceRulescarryrocks
  • @AlofRI
    Lmaoo yeah. :D
    Plaffelvohfencarryrocks
    Lover, hunter, friend and enemy
    You will always be every one of these
    Nothing's fair in love and war.
  • John_C_87John_C_87 347 Pts
    @ScienceRules ;

    @John_C_87
    Of course i do. But this does not show that men and women have different constitutional rights in India. Article 39(a) states:The state to secure for men and women equally the right to an adequate means of livelihood. Article 39(d) states: The state to secure equal pay for equal work for both Indian men and women. Article 16(2) states: No citizen shall be discriminated against or be ineligible for any employment or office under the state on the ground of sex.
    So, then here is the constitutional dilemma both India and America face. There are points of law and places in politics that were in pursuit of justice both women and men have been separated on a constitutional level for an account of experience and this is not on any level to be trivialized as sexual discrimination. My concern in addressing this preamble is it does not include legal obstacles to the dismantling of the monarchy rule in the form of Empire, not just the idea of an English Empire but even those in India's own past looking before the 1950s. 

  • @John_C_87
    Dilemma? You said men don't have the same constitutional rights as women. I think I just showed that they have. And monarchy? Please can you take the pain of making me understand what you want to say.
    carryrocks
    Lover, hunter, friend and enemy
    You will always be every one of these
    Nothing's fair in love and war.
  • John_C_87John_C_87 347 Pts
    @John_C_87
    Dilemma? You said men don't have the same constitutional rights as women. I think I just showed that they have. And monarchy? Please can you take the pain of making me understand what you want to say.

     Yes, Dilemma. The argument in the basic principle is if the preamble of India's consitution is written in a truth that can be easily proven. Part of any constitutional document must have easy to see a goal, not just part of a parliament declaration or decree. Not that such a legal finding as the argument would lessen the significance or value it a Parliament decree if India and civil equality in the world.

     Women and men don't have the same constitutional rights. There are only constitutional rights that are built around basic principles that have nothing to do with gender. Which is what you are not saying in basic principle. Separation of men and women is a basic principle of the constitution and nothing more, no pay, no prejudice, just two basic principles man and woman. Here is a good one gender constitutional right. A constitutional right for a woman that a man does not have, a woman has a constitutional right to be imprisoned with all women. A man does not have a constitutional right to be imprisoned with all women.

    All men are created as a united state by the basic principle inside the definition of the constitutional union between its two main parts. To do this without prejudice is to do so without any accusations of a crime or civil wrong. How that can be done is by declaring a man a witness to an event that connects all men in a united state. So one man can answer a legal question on behalf of all men, on a single question that can affect all men.

    I would ask for some consideration as I  study India's Constitution. A Presidential state of the Union is also a constitutional right a man has a woman does not. A quick end to the act of civil prejudice is a declaration of freedom of speech declaring all women otherwise thought of as a possible President of a united state Presadera as a united state without legal prejudice so voter are not asked to commit perjury, or sexual or gender discrimination is not brought to question the integrity of basic truth as a weapon brought to bear as united state. Be it India, England, America, or Russia.


  • @John_C_87
    Eh. Laws say there should be no discrimination on the basis of sex,religion,caste etc. Hence men have the same constitutional rights as women. In some cases, due to Article 15(3) in Indian Constitution, women and children have the right to special provisions. But there also men can, thorough the court, apply for the same. So basically both the genders have the same constitutional rights.
    carryrocks
    Lover, hunter, friend and enemy
    You will always be every one of these
    Nothing's fair in love and war.
  • John_C_87John_C_87 347 Pts
    Laws say there should be no discrimination on the basis of sex, religion, caste etc. Hence men have the same constitutional rights as women. In some cases, the constitutional separation of men and women is not discrimination it is one of just many easy ways to file a legal grievance from a trial in the easiest to understand way for it to be sited and found. We are talking detail a person can share a civil right as a man or woman a person can not share a constitutional right as a man or woman. Literally being man or woman is a basic principle and in no way to be confused by civil principle.

    SciencesRules has a civil right to tell John_C_87 India has elected a woman president, A citizen of India has a constitutional right to say no she was a Presadera of United State, provided they can prove in court that the woman elected is giving testimony before all Courts of India on a matter that pertains to all woman. These basic groups of courts would be what are the self-evident United states of India and is not discrimination or prejudice to insure basic means of file grievance between them. 

    Sexual discrimination does not exist in a constitutional union because all women and men are separated on the basis grounds of being male or female. All that does exist in a constitutional union of law is discrimination or prejudice, sexual gender, or racial background even skin tone does not matter. A person from a country outside India can label, call two men living together BiniVir without saying they have sexually involved the constitutional right in marriage is the bring forth of a child through an immigration process.
  • @John_C_87
    "laws regulating the equality of men only are constitutional laws. Laws which regulate the equality between woman are constitutional laws."
    This is what you said when i messaged you personally. I am forced to write it here cause due to some reason I am not being able to send you a message. So what does these sentences even mean? :D
    carryrocks
    Lover, hunter, friend and enemy
    You will always be every one of these
    Nothing's fair in love and war.
  • John_C_87John_C_87 347 Pts
    What is the most basic description of people that can be made while also filing them in order? 
  • @John_C_87
    That's the meaning?
    carryrocks
    Lover, hunter, friend and enemy
    You will always be every one of these
    Nothing's fair in love and war.
  • John_C_87John_C_87 347 Pts
    @John_C_87
    That's the meaning?
    There is no second prejudice that needs to be removed during constitutional separation it's as dumb as the idea of a nano-second. Lets just put a decimal point on a fraction and see what dies or crashes. 1.354/ 3.14159th 
  • John_C_87John_C_87 347 Pts
    @John_C_87
    That's the meaning?
    The argument in any constitutional right is as about making it as basic in principle as it can be. The importance of this alignment as valued in legislation as any right or wrong being governed. That is why civil rights are applied publicly with the danger of malpractice of law under the single state of law made by the licensing practice.

  • John_C_87John_C_87 347 Pts
    Sorry, in a rush. Making constitutional law is about making a principle of crime as basic as possible so it is easy to understand.
  • John_C_87John_C_87 347 Pts
    Constitutionally something like Marriage is said to be gay is not legal it is a type of fraud placed on top of marriage, besides justification for separation for all laws binding couples. The crime is perjury which creates the deception as two men are insisting they be witnessed publicly as one of two parents of a child. The second parent of the child though is not who is said to be on the license and has sought unanimity by the use of medical treatment. Bringing even more people into the fraud in order to make it work.  

    Human rights are a criminal rights sought after conviction of foreign laws that may not be constitutional by taking place. However in this case there is legal malpractice that is being hidden.
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