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Democrats using COVID-19 to pass 'cheat-by-mail' voting
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By markemarke 334 Pts
Nobody with understanding and honesty denies that vote by mail is subject to massive fraud.  I think democrats are wrong to try to force that on all Americans who should also be aware that voter fraud is one of the best tools in the democrat arsenal for cheating their way into office.

Democrats seek to force adoption of 'cheat by mail voting.'

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  • Over the last 20 years, (5 last presidential elections), there were only 1,290 cases... so about 300 per election, which amounts to 6 cases per state, per election...

    And you call this "massive"????  LOLOLOL

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  • AlofRIAlofRI 829 Pts
    Over the last 20 years, (5 last presidential elections), there were only 1,290 cases... so about 300 per election, which amounts to 6 cases per state, per election...

    And you call this "massive"????  LOLOLOL

    And it's likely many of them were Republican frauds!  Conservatives would have tried anything to get rid of Obama, including trying to make the election look phony. Then there was Hillary, who LOOKED like she was going to win (and DID win the popular vote). That would have been a great time to make an election LOOK fraudulent. 
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  • Where is evidence of "massive fraud"? Did you know hundreds of thousands of mail-in votes are rejected because they were not up to standards? This happened in the 2016 election as well. They have pretty high standards.

    I believe you are only against mail-in voting because Trump said so. I have found this to be one of the biggest issues parroted by loyal supporters that they can never properly explain. Please enlighten us with what part of mail-in voting can be subject to fraud.

    (you also just tried to link to your gmail mailbox, we cannot see your personal email)
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  • markemarke 334 Pts
    @Plaffelvohfen

    This is from the Congressional Record, Feb 12, 1998:

    https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CRPT-105hrpt416/html/CRPT-105hrpt416.htm

    However, it is 
    possible that all of the illegal votes may have been cast for the 
    Contestee and thus, if the number of illegal ballots is greater than 
    the margin, the true outcome of the election may be uncertain. It is 
    disturbing that an election in which over 90,000 illegal ballots have 
    been cast could be accepted as a legitimate measure of the will of the 
    people. See Appendix M. ...

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  • markemarke 334 Pts
    @independently

    Democrats are notorious for resisting increasin voter protections against fraud.  That is niot surprising given their long history of crooked voting practices in the past.  If they were not trying to protect fraud they would want the protections against fraud increased.

    Mail-in voting increases the potential for fraud exponentially and democrats know that, which is why they are pushing for mail-in voting this November.  They know Biden cannot win without voting fraud, and they lie when they say they do not commit voter fraud and do not favor voter fraud loopholes.

    Absentee ballots are the tools of choice of election fraudsters because they are voted outside the supervision of election officials, making it easier to steal, forge, or alter them, as well as to intimidate voters. 

    Going entirely to by-mail elections would unwisely endanger the security and integrity of the election process, particularly if officials automatically mail absentee ballots to all registered voters without a signed, authenticated request from each voter. 
     
    Voter registration rolls are notoriously inaccurate and out of date, containing the names of voters who are deceased, have moved, or otherwise have become ineligible.  

    Having thousands of ballots arriving in the mail for individuals who no longer reside at a registered address risks those ballots being stolen and voted. 
     
    Yet many liberals are pushing that very process.

  • @marke

    That's irrelevant... My argument is against your "massive" qualifier...  On that Sanchez election, the result was not affected, a Republican-controlled Congress dropped the motion and upheld the results... 624 problematic votes on a few million voters is light years away from being "massive"... 

    And those problematic votes were not mail-in ballots to begin with...  

    Try again...
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  • independentlyindependently 99 Pts
    edited July 29
    marke said:
    Mail-in voting increases the potential for fraud exponentially
    Absentee ballots are the tools of choice of election fraudsters
    @marke Absentee ballots and mail-in votes made up nearly 25% of the votes for the 2016 election. They are also offered in every single state. Again, in 2018 nearly 25% of votes cast were absentee/mail-in.

    Here are some of the states with the highest amount of absentee/mail-in votes from 2016:


    Do you argue that the 2016 election was fraudulent as well?


    Trump has also said that we need absentee ballots for people who can't get to the polls.
    From your article: "As the president said in a tweet, we do need absentee ballots for “many senior citizens, military, and others who can’t get to the polls on Election Day.”

    I do not see any proof that democrats want to encourage voter fraud when mail-in voting has extreme fraud protection which your conservative commentary forgot to mention.


    "As with other forms of voting, documented cases of mail-ballot fraud are extremely rare. The conservative Heritage Foundation, which has warned of the risks of mail voting found 14 cases of attempted mail fraud out of roughly 15.5 million ballots cast in Oregon since that state started conducting elections by mail in 1998. The most prominent cases of mail fraud have involved campaigns, not voters."

    You are more likely to be struck by lightning than a voter successfully casting votes under another person.

    What I would agree with is that there should be manual requests for absentee ballots and not an automatic system that sends these ballots that leads to error. However, you are labeling all absentee and mail ballots as "fraud pushed by Democrats so Biden can win" so it sounds like you are pushing against all mail-in votes.
  • @marke
    If you provide evidence for mail-in voting being more open to fraud than in-person ballot voting, I will take your case seriously and participate in debate with you.
  • markemarke 334 Pts
    @Plaffelvohfen

    Franken stole the election from Coleman by fraud, the same way Brenda Snipes tried to steal the election from Trump by fraud.  Democrats are shameless.  Voter fraud in ther democrat party goes back a hundred years or more.  Democrats hold crooked sway over big cities just like Tammany Hall democrats did for more than a hundred years in Manhatten.

    Just a few votes was all it took to steal an election for "Landslide Lyndon" and one of the tragedies of that fraud was more than 50,00 dead Americans in the Vietnam war.  Don't assume just a 'few' illegal votes don't matter.
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  • markemarke 334 Pts
    @independently

     If we examine the Congressional record again from 20 years ago, we find a clue as to why the multiple examples of voter fraud listed in the record were never fully investigated for the majority of clear cases of fraud:

    Information gathered at this Field Hearing indicated that the Immigration and Naturalization Service was unwilling to assist either the Contestant or the Secretary of State Bill Jones in determining if non-citizens voted in the 1996 election.\79\ ...

    And another example of why voter fraud was never investigated even though authorities knew fraud was taking place:.

    The Minority sought immediate dismissal without any investigation or hearing. This position comports with the traditional Democratic reluctance to investigate vote fraud

    Why can democrats claim no fraud has been found?  Because democrats block every investigation into voter fraud resulting in nothing being found, for or agianst voter fraud.  There is a huge difference between honestly investigating and finding no fraud, which democrats dishonestly claim was done, and not being allowed to investigate fraud and not finding fraud, which is what was actua@independently

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  • markemarke 334 Pts
    @xlJ_dolphin_473

    First allow me to say that if fraud is uncovered then that means fraud is possible and does occur.  That is very important because leftists like to claim voter fraud cannot happen and does not happen, which is a wicked lie.  Here is another report among hundreds I have on file of actual voter proven fraud cases:

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/new-jersey-politicians-charged-in-massive-voter-fraud-scheme-in-election-with-only-mail-in-ballots?utm_source=theblaze-dailyAM&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily-Newsletter__AM 2020-06-28&utm_term=TheBlaze Daily AM - last 270 days

    Officials charged in massive mail-in voter fraud in NJ. - According to WNBC-TV, more than 3,000 ballots were set aside over voting fraud concerns in the Paterson City Council election — 16,747 were received, but only 13,557 were accepted — meaning a whopping 19%, or nearly 1-in-5, were rejected.

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  • @marke
    The article says they were set aside because of voter fraud concerns. Your argument makes little to no sense.
    Plaffelvohfenindependently
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