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Science vs Atheism

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Atheists attack Religious people deprecating faith calling them delusional.
They claim their principles are not of faith
Their beliefs are not beliefs.
So what are their conclusions based on?
To do physics you have to believe the universe is comprehensible.
One must have faith to do science.
Does science lack truth or value because its basis is faith?

Don’t you find it ironic that the new atheist is blind to the fact that they are driven by faith?
They believe minds can grasp truth.
They believe in science.
They believe God does not exist.

The atheist viewpoint is a self-refuting viewpoint.
They have created a conundrum of cognitive dissonance.
If the universe did not come from intelligence then it came from unintelligence.
So if the human mind has been put together by mindless unguided processes why should we trust our cognitive faculties and the validity of any thought that they produce?
If humans evolved then the human mind serves evolutionary success, not truth.
So if atheism is true then the whole world is delusional.
Are the mind, science, and evidence true or is atheism true?




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  • SandSand 270 Pts   -   edited November 22
    Atheists concepts need to be re-thought.
  • xlJ_dolphin_473xlJ_dolphin_473 956 Pts   -  
    @Sand
    Sand said:
    They believe in science.
    One does not 'believe' in science. Science is a system of gathering knowledge: changing something to see what happens, and comparing it to keeping it the same.
    If you are believing in science, you re doing it wrong.
    mickyg
  • SandSand 270 Pts   -  

    What is science based on if not thoughts?

  • mickygmickyg 137 Pts   -  
    SO you are against thought?
    MANY FAMOUS CHRISTIANS HAVE SAID THIS..@Sand
  • SandSand 270 Pts   -  

    You also are avoiding the question that is asked.
  • mickygmickyg 137 Pts   -  
    WHAT QUESTION HAVE I AVOIDED @Sand
  • SandSand 270 Pts   -  

    What is science based on if not thoughts?

  • mickygmickyg 137 Pts   -  
    WHAT IS GOD IF NOT BASED ON THOUGHT...CONFLATE MUCH? @Sand
  • SandSand 270 Pts   -  

    You also are avoiding the question that is asked.
  • mickygmickyg 137 Pts   -  
    your question is nonsense
    you are conflating ...
  • SandSand 270 Pts   -  

    That just means you cannot answer it.
    So science is based on belief.
    To do science you have to believe the universe is comprehensible.

  • mickygmickyg 137 Pts   -  
    ..SCIENCE IS BASED ON EVIDENCE AND REPRODUCIBLE RESULTS
    THE RESULT OF EVERY TEST must fall within the the predicted result or it is invalid....@Sand
  • SandSand 270 Pts   -   edited November 23

    So you say there is no belief involved?


    "Formulating a hypothesis means speculating on what you believe will be the most probable outcome of the experiment based on research, and personal experience and knowledge of the subject. "

    Every step of the scientific method requires belief.
  • mickygmickyg 137 Pts   -  
    NO EVERY  hypothesis REQUIRES A THOUGHT....
    IN SCIENCE TALK A hypothesis ..IS FORMALLY PUT FORWARD ...IT IS PEER REVIEWED IF WORTHY....THEN IT MUST be tested and results predicted...it must be FALSIFIABLE...if prediction pans out the result must be reproducible....after all challenges have been sated it becomes a "THEORY".....MEANWHILE the bible says Pi=3.0.. @Sand

  • SandSand 270 Pts   -  

    I am glad you agree that science needs belief as a foundation.

    Now answer the debate question:
    If humans evolved then the human mind serves evolutionary success, not truth.
    Are the mind, science, and evidence true or is atheism true?


  • mickygmickyg 137 Pts   -  
    i think you are conflating belief now...
    yes i have beliefs..i believe the sun will rise tommorrow......why??????/
    well the sun has come up every day for my entire life......thst would be evidence for probability...
    FAITH for christians is basically their religion.....since they have no evidence they call it faith...but without evidence
    name one thing i have faith in without evidence..
  • SandSand 270 Pts   -   edited November 23

    You will wake up tomorrow.

    There is no evidence of future events.
    Somethings you know will not change but most things we have no evidence of.
    Consider we are in Covid right now, who predicted that?
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