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Pay to play politics controlled our gov't for years. Did Trump get taken down because he stopped it?

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Any honest person who has followed politics for the past 60 years, understands that our leaders are bought and paid for by huge corporations and powerful elites. This is why they promise us the world to win elections and then follow through wth none of it. They are beholden to the big donors who financed their elections.

For decades Americans have been frustrated with these corrupt politicians and finally elected a non politician not beholden to this big money. It worked and Trump actually came through with his promises to the people. He spent four years fixated on the people! He did what he said he would do.

He was not supported by big corporations, and attacked from both sides of Government. He could not be bought off and why we saw such hate from the media and big corporations. He was no fake Conservative and the reason Democrats hated him so. They spent every waking moment trying to impeach him. Witch hunt after witch hunt, all with no evidence.

The biased hate Trump media, along with big tech corporations, tied to China, took him down. They covered up every scandal involving Biden, and distorted every story involving Trump. They flooded our big inner cities with illegal non requested mail in ballots, under the lie of Covid fears, and stole the election.

It truly is sickening how half our nation wanted to go back to corrupt phony politicians bought and paid for by corporate money. Biden got hundreds of millions from corporations while Trump got crumbs. Do you see how phony the  Democrat Party has been about supposedly wanting campaign finance reform? It never happened, even when Democrats controlled both houses and presidency with Obama.

There is nothing wrong with private corporations supporting politicians of their choice, but when the vast majority of corporations join forces to silence the Conservative voice, America has a huge problem. The people no longer get the truth about the politicians we vote for. Our politics become as corrupt as in China.

The media has become a bully pulpit for the Left.
CYDdhartaPlaffelvohfenAlofRI



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  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 3702 Pts   -   edited February 19
    Wait a moment... How is it possible that he ended it if they took him down? If he really ended it, then they would not be able to take him down - because he, you know, had ended it.
    PlaffelvohfenHappy_KillbotAlofRIStarlord616
  • @MayCaesar
    How is it possible that he ended it if they took him down?
    It's complicated. :)

    MayCaesarAlofRIStarlord616




  • @MayCaesar

    He ended the say one thing and do another. He was the first President who tried to do everything he promised to the people. That is what I meant by ending it.

    The Democrat Government dependent voters started it back up again. They want free stuff more than honest politicians.
    CYDdhartaPlaffelvohfenHappy_KillbotAlofRI
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 3702 Pts   -  
    @We_are_accountable

    By definition then, he has not ended it. Temporarily suspended, perhaps, but not ended. When you end something, it actually ends, it does not "start back up" as soon as someone replaces you.
    Happy_Killbot
  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 4216 Pts   -  
    @We_are_accountable ;

    So, how much was Trump's net worth when he got elected in 2016?

    Image result for trump net worth 2016

    Yeah, he ended "pay to play" alright. He wasn't supported by corporations either, except for these:

    Image result for businesses that support trump in 2016


    There wasn't any corruption or attacks on democracy in his campaign either, except for all of these:

    Image result for trump corruption scandals list


    Tell me again what Trump "ended" exactly?
    PlaffelvohfenxlJ_dolphin_473We_are_accountableAlofRICYDdhartaStarlord616
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • First, how is taking credit paying to play? 
    AlofRI
  • @MayCaesar

    Semantics!

    Nothing in life is ever ended permanently. There will always be the next generation that thinks they have a better ideology.
  • @Happy_Killbot

    Thanks for once again showing your hatred for the man. You once again prove my point.

    I never said Trump was not rich, but here you are wasting our time once more. His being rich helped him to go his own way with no need for big corportate money buying his election.

    Most politicians garner their wealth after decades in Government. This is why they ignore the people and followed the money.
    Trump EARNED his money in the private sector after decades of hard work. He had no need for corrupt money from Rich donors.
    His love for America is why he should go down as one of the greatest Presidents.
    Happy_KillbotAlofRICYDdharta
  • @John_C_87

    Our politics have been inbedded in pay to play Governence forever. To get elected, these corrupt politicians are beholden to pay back favors to those who gave them money for their election campaigns.
    They have their big $1000 a plate dinners for the Rich and famous, and once elected use their terms in office passing laws that will benefit those wealthy donors.

    Why do you think that Democrats have never passed laws eliminating loop holes for the Rich? The Rich  buy ther elections, THAT'S WHY!
    They always campaigned on doing so. They were always going to create campaign finance reforms but never do so, even when they had control of Congress and Whitehouse.

    Do you actually think people pay $1000 a plate at fund raising dinners and not expecting something in return? This is how it works!

    Trump did not need their black mail money. He went his own way and was hated for it.
  • Happy_KillbotHappy_Killbot 4216 Pts   -  
    @We_are_accountable ;
    His being rich helped him to go his own way with no need for big corportate money buying his election.
    Thanks for proving my point and not looking at the data. He received money from scores of corporate interests!

    Trump EARNED his money in the private sector after decades of hard work
    Trump was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Everything was more or less handed to him, and he didn't really work for any of it.

    He had no need for corrupt money from Rich donors.
    Because he is the rich corrupt donor. Do you even hear yourself speaking?

    His love for America is why he should go down as one of the greatest Presidents.
    Then why is the US so much worse off now that it was under Obama? He will be remembered as one of the most corrupt authoritarian presidents ever who solidified the double-standard between the haves and the have nots, starting the country on a path to inevitable ruin.
    AlofRICYDdhartaWe_are_accountable
    At some point in the distant past, the universe went through a phase of cosmic inflation,
    Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
    Through a long process of evolution this life 
    developed into the human race.
    Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .

    All of that so we can argue about nothing.
  • @We_are_accountable

    His love for America is why he should go down as one of the greatest Presidents.
    He was an Exsecutive officer not President of the United States of America.
    Exsecutive officer Obama was not a President of the United States of America.
    I do not see that the votes of America even vote for a President only Exsecutive officer, because a vote believes to be casting a vote related to a President of the United States does not mean it takes place. 

    "A man's path to becoming President of the United States of America starts with his understanding all men are created equal by their creator and how he sees this as the perfect state of the union. 
    A man's path to becoming an elected President of the United States of America starts with the voter's understanding of how all men are seen as created equal by their creator.
    Stop trying so hard to create a state of the union that cannot be proven otherwise the basic connections will never be proven."
  • AlofRIAlofRI 1287 Pts   -  
    He's GOT to be GREAT! He's been impeached TWICE! He's been through bankruptcy 5 times! He's unable to borrow money from ANY American bank! (Or any other, likely)! He has the NY courts and tax people looking deeply into his "business dealings" and taxes. He has trouble getting ANY legitimate contractor to trust him, he's ripped so many off! He has 26 women coming after him for sex crimes. (So far ;-). He broke his promises to DACA, to LGBTQ, to the American people, to those who attended his "University". People are removing his name from what WERE his properties. He lied to the crowd and QAnon on Jan 6, (WE ...  will march to the White House together!). He threatened politicians who wouldn't FIX the election in HIS favor! He put unqualified people in charge of agencies where we needed KNOWLEDGE! (If they knew enough to make a lot of money [and gave him some], they MUST be smart! ;-). He has the whole (well, almost), conservative party totally in FEAR of him! He promised we'd "get tired of winning!" ... I'm tired of LOSING! Oh, and he grabs li'l kitties without permission! (While he grabs li'l children from their parents!) C'MON NY DISTRICTS! (And Georgia, Arizona, Michigan .... etc. ;-) :+1:
    CYDdhartaWe_are_accountable




  • @AIifRI

    How is advancing credit pay to play, why would payment method not be relevant to the idea of payment?

    Pay to play means the payment comes first not the forwarding of part of a larger promise to pay comes first. Right?

    I took that the legal objection to a woman witnessed as Presadera is due to a word to describe a new concept is new itself. Is that a legal objection? I guess Presadera will never make the dictionary as one of its new words tough break, as it creates a state of the union in that all women are created equal by their creator and obviously being created equal by themselves was not working out for all women. Have we in fact received clear instruction on what a President of a United State is by legal precedent?

    AlofRI
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