Do Christians Sin?

dallased25

Sin is a rather silly and pointless concept within christianity. First, things that are considered "sins" or "moral evils" are everything ranging from Murder to "thinking lustful thoughts", to wearing the wrong types of clothes, to working on a specific day. It's silly because a god who has infinite wisdom and power, shouldn't at all be concerned with such trivial things like how we make our clothes, or how we plant our crops. Also, if we as humans can come up with more moral concepts, or outlaw things that are expressly endorsed by this being, then it is not a moral authority at all. Not to mention that all sins can be forgiven anyways...except one. This god's most important rule of all, his only 'unforgiveable sin' isn't something like pedophilia, or rape, or genocide....nope, his #1 crime is hurting gods feelings by denying him. This turns god into basically a whiney cry baby dictator, rather than an all-wise being of infinite wisdom. The god of christianity is the Kim Jong Un of the universe! Lastly, this god renders a life lived committing sins as completely ok, so long as you never deny god and you sincerely repent at the end. So moral responsibility and culpability go out the window. You can live a life as a pedophile, murderer, genocidal dictator, etc...and fear not, so long as you are sincere at the end and beg forgiveness, you will be forgiven and go to heaven, meanwhile anyone else, who lived a good, moral life, who never harmed anyone, who could have dedicated their lives to helping others...god will send straight to hell if they didn't believe. So god rewards belief over actions and rewards credulity over integrity. Modern society has long surpassed "biblical moral standards". We no longer care about certain things outlines as "sins" in the bible and other things like slavery we outlawed, even though they are still expressly endorsed within the bible. Killing people for "heresy crimes" was done away with and the persecution done by those within christianity done to non-christians or to those outlined as "evil" has also diminished. If the bible came from "god", then this god at best is imperfect and at worst incompetent. The bible has been rendered useless on addressing anything moral and that is proven not just by modern society and laws that are superior to the bible, but by the fact that modern christianity doesn't even follow all of the laws within the bible, they just cherry pick the ones they wish to follow, proving that they don't get their morality from christianity, they get it from their own rational consideration of the moral issues. 

RickeyD

I have muted @dallased25 as a servant of the devil and unworthy my time.

Barnardot

All Christians sun all right and they sun more than every body else because they know that they can go around and do nasty stuff because they know that they will get away with it because all they have to do is to pray to god for for giveness and they will be ok. Then you have to realize that they lie an awful lot to Rigel out of the dog mess they get into about all the baloney lies they say about god so then they lie about every thing else which is sinning any way. @RickeyD

RickeyD

@Barnardot ;  When wilful ignorance abounds, truth is seldom considered. The atheist-secular humanist as servants of the devil find comfort in the lies and obfuscation vomited toward Christianity...

The demonically inspired propaganda that Christianity is lawlessness is foolishness and an agenda promulgated by legalists and the cult of the SDA – Sabbatarianism and Hebrew Roots fanatics. The Decalogue was given SPECIFICALLY to Jacob’s children through Moses at Sinai and they are NOTHING NEW but simply a reiteration and codification in stone of the moral law written upon our heart at conception having been extant from the creation of the angels as these moral laws (9 of the 10) act as an arbiter of free will. As a servant of Jesus Christ, I am NOT under the Law of the Covenant, I am under GRACE in my LORD (Romans 6:14). Please, allow me to explain…

What is the difference between the Letter and the Spirit?

Christianity adheres to a stricter and more demanding LAW than the Covenant of Law could ever produce. Jesus’ Commandments articulated during His Earthly ministry (not the Decalogue per se), are written upon the heart of the faithful in Him by faith. Jesus’ Commandments are methodically administered by the indwelling Holy Spirit through sanctification via the conscience and those LAWS-Commandments possess increased culpability through mens rea or the “thought life;” this, as no longer must an individual physiologically perform the sin to internalize culpability but the mere THOUGHT of the sin is condemnation (Matthew 5:27-28).

Again, the Christian walks in obedience to the Commandments of JESUS which are written upon the heart of those who love Him and these Commandments are carefully, methodically, internalized and processed WITHIN every true believer by the Spirit via the conscience (John 14:26). Please STOP with the “Christianity is lawlessness” nonsense, it’s the Devil’s work.

dallased25

@RickeyD
It is truly a pleasure to be muted by him as one who opposes those who are a blight on humanity. Really, to be muted by someone that has zero integrity....it's like a badge of honor, because he couldn't take the heat, so he got out of the kitchen! 

Luigi7255

@RickeyD

Oh, so you sin too? You are not Christian so you must burn in Hell, right? Only the most righteous may enter Heaven, and that only includes the opposite of you, people who are tolerant. People who won't advocate for the murder of people they don't like. People who'll feed the poor (like Jesus said by the way). Be tolerant, help others, get into Heaven. It's that easy.

RickeyD

@Luigi7255 ; Though I am redeemed, forgiven, by faith in Jesus as my Lord (John 3) and the Father has promised by covenant to forget my unworthiness, my sin, by failures (Hebrews 8:12), I remain encumbered with a body of decaying flesh that is cursed genomically by my affiliation with my forefather, Adam (Romans 7:14-25; Romans 5:12); therefore, through I am redeemed, the Spirit lives within me and guides me daily (Ephesians 1:13-14; Galatians 5:16), I do fail and follow the flesh from time to time and dishonor my Father and Jesus my Lord but I am secure by covenant promise and I therefore apologize to my Lord and continue seeking His fellowship and intimacy daily...as I love Him and He loves me as His child and as His family and He will be faithful to sustain me till that Day I stand before Him face-to-face because I am His and He is mine, forever.

Luigi7255

@RickeyD

Do you feed the poor?

RickeyD

@Luigi7255 ; I pay my taxes for the "general welfare."

dallased25

@Luigi7255
I guarantee he doesn't. He's sanctimonious and arrogant, classic trademark of a fundamentalist christian. He believes that his "service" to humanity is bringing people "to the lord" and "saving them"...from the very lord that he worships (lol). Doing actual good in the world isn't important to him, because like his god, he believes that faith is the most important thing and not actions. It's really telling that in most independent blind studies, that non-believers are far more charitable and giving than christians. That's because us non-believers know that this is all there is, we only get one shot and that life is precious, so we'd better all work together to make it the best one possible. But for guys like Ricky, he will be forever unhappy until his dying day because he's been brainwashed into thinking that there's another life after this one, so he doesn't care at all about making this one better. He just wants to "save souls" for the next one. It's incredibly delusional and sad. 

Luigi7255

@RickeyD

No, do you donate food to people via an organization like Feeding America?

RickeyD

@Luigi7255 ; No, I take care of a young man in a distant land to ensure he is fed, housed, educated...which is truly NONE of your atheistic business.

MayCaesar

My understanding of "sin" is that it is anything that you do to have fun in life. Similar concepts, perhaps named differently, exist in all authoritarian ideologies - for example, socialism sees having fun in life as not contributing enough to the collective well-being and being too selfish and inconsiderate, conservatism sees it as being too immature and irresponsible, and even Buddhism, allegedly the "religion of peace and happiness", see it as being too out of balance with nature.

Basically, all authoritarian/collectivistic religions vilify all iterations of this



And venerate some iterations of this



Basically, sin is life, and righteousness is death, in these ideologies' interpretations. The more miserable and self-sacrificial you are and the less fun and joy you have, the better. It is as backwards as it gets, and I think that most people nowadays sense it. Even the people who openly follow these ideologies allow themselves some space every now and then in which they distance themselves from them and live a real, authentic life. The most heart-bleeding Christian or communist out there will at times enjoy a private helicopter ride, a bottle of fine capitalist rum, or hot sex with their lover not leading to reproduction. They will just develop a web of excuses for why these behaviors do not run against their ideologies, while the truth of the matter is that they do run against their ideologies and it is the ideologies themselves that run against the human spirit.

This is why the biggest hypocrites you meet are the most vocal followers of authoritarian ideologies. People who do not follow such ideologies can be honest and enjoy their lives genuinely, while those who do either have to go all in and live a life of profound misery, or have to be inconsistent as otherwise their life is too unbearable. Hence you see all these people living in a state of daze, generally suffering through life, but every now and then getting short breaks when they are truly having fun in order to cope with it.

Do you know what the most profitable business in Saudi Arabia is? Selling alcohol on the black market. Nothing is ever in such a high demand as the forbidden fruit, and some of the most self-righteous people crave that fruit the most. A person who is not being told all the time that alcohol will cause them to burn in hell forever can develop a healthy relationship with this substance, while others have to either go completely dry and deny themselves the pleasure, or to periodically conveniently forget about their "scriptures" and let it loose. Ironically, it is at those short periods of being intellectually dishonest that they are truly living their lives.

I do not know how people manage to do this. I would not be able to. It would be pure torture to have to lie to myself and others periodically as a way to cope with the endless unescapable misery. It is the North-Korean kind of horror. If I am not enjoying my life most of the time, then I do not see the point living; I might as well just be a mindless zombie whose body and mind are slowly decaying and nothing ever changes for the better.

dallased25

RickeyD said:

@Luigi7255 ; No, I take care of a young man in a distant land to ensure he is fed, housed, educated...which is truly NONE of your atheistic business.

LMAO! Let me guess...is it this kid? 

RickeyD

@dallased25 ; Privileged information and the last type of personality I would share that with is an atheist.

RickeyD

@MayCaesar ; Sin is a violation of our Creator's moral law...a law that has been extant from the creation of the angels and an arbiter of free will. It is this moral law that judged Satan of covetousness; judged the Adamic and Noahic generations of defilement where all but eight were destroyed by water. It is the same moral law that provided a foundation for the Code of Hammurabi and the Levitical Law Covenant...it is this same moral law by which you will be adjudicated as an atheist at the coming Judgment of the Condemned manifesting subsequent Messiah's Millennial Reign where you will lose both body and soul in Hell due to your rejection of Jesus Christ as Lord for the mediation of your sin.

dallased25

@RickeyD
Yeah sure....two christian sins in one post, bearing false witness and pride. Proving once again that christians only care about the sins that they don't break themselves. 

Luigi7255

@RickeyD

Okay, would you agree murder is bad? What about rape? What about thievery? I'm against those things, so are you for those things?

RickeyD

@Luigi7255 ; Are you so dense that such a question is necessary?

RickeyD

@dallased25 ; That's one difference between you and those who love Jesus Christ as Lord...they do care about their sin and seek to avoid it and not revel in it. Christians seek to honor our Father through obedience to the Holy Spirit, not Satan as does the atheist.

dallased25

@RickeyD
Except that you constantly and consistently lie. You also constantly name call and accuse people of things, yet don't know anything about them. It's not possible for an atheist to "honor satan", because we don't believe in some silly red being with horns. If I'm "following satan" by giving my time to charities, helping others, donating goods, don't drink, don't do drugs, have never stolen, never committed any crime at all for that matter...been married to one woman for 20 years...and your god opposes all of that because I don't "worship him personally", then I would never follow such a god anyways and satan is the good one in that scenario. Of course considering how this "god" abused, murdered and tortures humanity in the bible, how anyone can consider this "god" as "good" is really quite hysterical. 

RickeyD

@dallased25 ; It's easy to call someone a "" or untruthful but substantiating same is more challenging...why not state your allegations as opposed to lying about someone's character? 

MayCaesar

@RickeyD

And why should anyone care about your creator's moral law, if that law leads to a miserable life? I live to enjoy every second and be happy; I could not care less what someone else's vision of proper morals is if that vision does not serve these ends.

RickeyD

@MayCaesar ; You will care the moment you exhale your last breath. You have my word on that...atheist.

MayCaesar

@RickeyD

Oh, I have your word on that... How can I sleep at night now?! Rickey himself has bestowed his word on me!

Barnardot

Do you talk to people like that in normal life like you are reading from some dufissy poetry book. I bet that if you didn’t have that book or the Bible then you would have nothing to say any way or if you can’t find the toilet you would go to some one and say like For the lord has known that thine guts is is bad and it is said that thee must cast down thine pants and cast a giant doodoo into the heavenly void that one must seek but thee must only seek direction to the heavenly void from a servant of the lord for if thee does not obey the lords divine instructions thee will cast thine doodoo into thine pants and forever there after one will for ever smell like the devil in carnate @RickeyD

RickeyD

@Barnardot ; When on debateisland, I'm not conversing with "people"....but irrational demons...

Barnardot

When on debateisland, I'm not conversing with "people"....but irrational demons...@RickeyD

If you aren’t so much god loving then you would not think that every one else is a dufis and have some respect for what they say. But then if you do have some respect for what other people say then you would not be a nasty hate full godist any way.

RickeyD

@Barnardot ;  I have nothing but loathing and disdain for the atheist.

JoeKerr

"I have nothing but loathing and disdain for the atheist." says Rickey.


@RickeyD
How can you possibly claim to be at peace when you have so much hatred festering inside you?
The sad thing for you is that for all your loathing and disdain directed at nonbelievers, nothing changes.
Nonbelievers remain, nonbelievers. They don't feel chastened by your words, they don't feel a need to change their ways. They read your constant stream of venom directed at them and quickly come to the conclusion that you are an irrational religious nut who is a few sandwiches short of a picnic.
I may have said this to you before, but there is a saying that describes your feelings exactly, that anger is an acid that does more harm to the vessel that contains it than on to which it is poured.
The only person you are harming is yourself, and no Rickey, the "devil" didn't make me write this!

Barnardot

@Barnardot ;  I have nothing but loathing and disdain for the atheist. @RickeyD

Well you don’t need to tell people that because they can see that any way and the reason why goddists get mad is that regular people try to tell them that they are a picnic missing out of a picnic but they have to get angry other wise they will have all there weirdo dreams smashed then they will have to find some other dufisy thing to dream about like weird sex because they can’t control there minds which are scattered all over the place. And they hate all the other religions other than the particular one that they have so that’s why there loaners because they hate every one just because there mom didn’t give them any mommy milk when they were babies.

RickeyD

@JoeKerr ; @Barnardot ;  I know my enemy...you two are my enemy...you are evil upon the earth...a malignancy among the spiritually healthy...your destiny is Perdition and your god is the Devil.

 

Barnardot

@RickeyD Yeah well that summs you up in one go there though I didn't know about the incontinent bit though. But I do understand it though because goddists are so out of control with there minds which is why they have to follow such stu pid baloney any way and so it follows that they must lose control of there water works because they forget to go to the bathroom and end up having to wear those nappies.

RickeyD

@Barnardot ; When you put down the crack pipe and come to some form of cognitive acuity in order to communicate, get back with me, ok... big guy?

Barnardot

@RickeyD ; When you put down the crack pipe and come to some form of cognitive acuity in order to communicate, get back with me, ok... big guy?

There is no cognitive actuality to explain any thing to goddists because no matter what you say to them they get funny and angry or at least funnier and angrier than they are normally so it doesn't matter how any one tells you that the sky is blue you will always thing it is red and think any one else is a dumbo and talk down to them. 

RickeyD

@Barnardot ; You did not use the "reply" to send the filth to me; therefore, you must have meant your error for someone else...I reply to those comments and rebuttal that I receive notification directed to ME...try again?

pamelajohnson1

Do you really think someone is going to take the time to read all of that?  You lost them in the sixth sentence.  That's boring. You're saying to much at one time.  And you're not telling them the whole story.  Did you tell them that they have to be born again?  Just believing in Christ will not get it.  The devil believes in Jesus and tremble, and that don't save him.@RickeyD

Barnardot

I did use the reply button but because you don’t know Arthur from Martha and lie your head off you won’t know any way. And any way you are the one who posts the filth all the time like that nasty filth you posted before about the last days and your filthy threatenings about what happens to people who don’t believe your filth except that you don’t even have the brains to even make up your filth so you quote endless filth written by others and are too lazy to even write it out or para phrase your self you just post photos of other peoples filth as if you don’t want to stand by it but say it is written. Well that’s totally week and limp and you have a nerve to be acusing others when it’s you who posts totally nasty filth and threats every day. @RickeyD

Barnardot

I did use the reply button but because you don’t know Arthur from Martha and lie your head off you won’t know any way. And any way you are the one who posts the filth all the time like that nasty filth you posted before about the last days and your filthy threatenings about what happens to people who don’t believe your filth except that you don’t even have the brains to even make up your filth so you quote endless filth written by others and are too lazy to even write it out or para phrase your self you just post photos of other peoples filth as if you don’t want to stand by it but say it is written. Well that’s totally week and limp and you have a nerve to be acusing others when it’s you who posts totally nasty filth and threats every day. @RickeyD

Barnardot

So who’s the one that posts all the grue some filth every day. @RickeyD

RickeyD

@Barnardot ;  Truth can be ugly...grow up and deal with it. You're an enemy of my Lord, you're sowing and reaping...you are being warned.

MayCaesar

RickeyD said:

@Barnardot ;  Truth can be ugly...grow up and deal with it. You're an enemy of my Lord, you're sowing and reaping...you are being warned.

Part of growing up is realizing that truth is not just something you want to be true, but something to be proven to be true. A little kid can cry over being deprived of their favorite candy, thinking that the Universe commits some sort of atrocity against them; an adult understands that wanting the candy does not entitle them to this candy, and they have to work for it.

I do not think you have grown up in this sense. You are still that little kid hiding under his bed after listening to the story of the Maleficent.

Barnardot

That Rickey guy is getting closer every day to getting kicked off of here because now he’s making threts which is going over the top any way. Any way it’s best to just ignore the stu pid dufis and he’ll just dry up and blow away just like a heap of dog mess. If you keep fighting him he just gets worst and then so do you so just leave the dufis alone and then he will disappear. @MayCaesar

dallased25

@RickeyD
Again with the lies. I've already proved my allegations against you several times, but you pretend once again (not the first time), that they don't exist on here or that I haven't called you out. Again, if you are a christian and not just a troll, you are a terrible christian. 

RickeyD

@dallased25 ;  You've proved nothing but the silliness of atheism and its demonic underpinnings....I don't know what you're talking about nor do you, actually....why are you wasting my time...if you have a legitimate question ask it and don't act like a fascist wanting to censor me or act as if you don't possess the ability to understand the answer...if you don't want the answer, don't ask the question and if you do, use the "reply" option as I don't receive general comments. 

dallased25

@RickeyD
You've issued this challenge to me 3 times already and 3 times I responded and 3 times you either ignored the response, or would not admit to lying. Why would I waste time doing it again?