Should America Supply Ukraine With Cluster Bombs?

JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: Does Ukraine Need Cluster Bombs?

President Joe Biden defended his decision to send Ukraine controversial and deadly cluster munitions, explaining it was because Kyiv was "running out of ammunition".  White House national security advisor Jake Sullivan acknowledged on Friday that cluster munitions do pose a risk to civilians but said the danger to their lives would be higher if Kyiv did not have enough weapons to fight off Russia's troops.

JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: War Crime?

Last year, WH Press Secretary Jen Psaki called the use of cluster bombs a “war crime.”

Bogan

"Moderation in war is imbecility".     _Lord Mcaulay, 1831.

I have no idea where this idea ever came from that cluster bombs are somehow naughty?     They are just another weapon which civilised men use to slaughter their fellow human beings in a civilised way.    The Eurotrash even ban land mines.    Reality check.    If it had not been for anti tank mines, Ukraine would probably have been over run in the first week.        Interestingly, the anti tank mines that both the Russians and Ukrainians use are copies of the 70 year old Wehrmacht Teller mines.     Some old weapons just keep on giving.    Virtue signaling has no place on a battlefield, especially when a people are fighting for their national survival.   The Russians use cluster bombs, they drop them on Ukrainian cities, which is a war crime.      When you are fighting an enemy like the Russians, who deliberately drop cluster bombs on cities, use vacuum bombs on civilians, deliberately target apartment blocks, maternity hospitals, schools, and tie up unarmed civilians and shoot them, then playing dirty is appropriate.

If the Biden administration and the Eurotrash had given the Ukrainians what they begged for, 500 days ago, the Ukrainians would probably having a victory march in Red Square, right now.  

MayCaesar

I have never understood the idea behind banning certain types of weaponry use in a war while allowing other types. A war, by definition, is a mass murder committed by a large number of people - you are okay with gunning a million people, but not okay with doing it in a particularly efficient way (which, for instance, cluster bombs provide)?

As I see it, Russia has invaded Ukraine illegally according to the same international law that, for some bizarre reason, outlaws cluster bombs. If Russia has invaded Ukraine illegally and is bombing the hell out of the country daily, then virtually any weapon that can contain it is a fair play. Heck, nuke Kremlin for all I care, as long as you can assure that a nuclear retaliation is not going to take place.

I have family in Moscow, so no, I am not just an Internet theoretician. I just do not understand the logic behind this type of laws, is all.

Barnardot

@Bogan ;If the Biden administration and the Eurotrash had given the Ukrainians what they begged for, 500 days ago, the Ukrainians would probably having a victory march in Red Square, right now.  

Your got to realize that whatever piano dik player does then Putin is going to do to him back 10 times over. Give them cluster bombs and the Bolshies are going to drop cluster cluster bombs an so on. All ready piano mans ground defence is crumbling and how many nukes does he have like zero. And we aren't going to send any nukes over there are we. So all Putin is doing is playing a round like a cat with a mice. And when the mice has had enough and Putin thinks its time then he will just jump on it no problems. End of war and where I work we knock off thousands of chickens. And I bet you this that were going to have to change the labels on the chicken Kiev to Chicken Bolshie.

JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: Help!!

Can someone translate Barnardot's word salad into English?

Barnardot

@JulesKorngold ;Can someone translate Barnardot's word salad into English?

Not every one knows this but Zelensky used to play the piano with his doolie on TV and with another man. So thats why I call him piano man just like Trump used to call Ill Rocket man. And the reason I call the Russians Bolshies is that that is what they were called when Lennon took over over there. And strictly speaking you did pick me up on the chicken Kiev bit because it will be more logical to call it chicken Putingrad. And what I was explaining was that I work in a chicken factory but some words went missing because this site is so slow. But there is a special section that stuffs breasts with garlic and butter and then crumbs it then it goes straight out to the stores. So imagine hoing down on chicken Putingrad in a few months time. And what I was doing with the cat and mouse bit was what we call personify because I was just using it as a way of showing what Putin is doing to Piana Man. Putin can squish Ukraine tomorrow if he wants to but hes just playing the game and getting others involved then he will pounce. Then Bingo hes caught the lot. So you see Putin is real good at playing the politics game where as Zelenski is only good at playing the piano with his doolie.