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Congressman Seeks to DEFUND the FBI and DOJ

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Hello:

Now, I dunno about you, but defunding the FBI sounds a lot like defunding the police, only on steroids..  

A member of the House Appropriations Committee, on Monday announced a pair of amendments to the Commerce, Justice, Science, and Related Agencies fiscal year 2024 appropriations bill that would “prohibit the use of federal funding for the prosecution of any major presidential candidate prior to the upcoming presidential election on November 5th, 2024.”


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  • jackjack 314 Pts   -  

    Hello jack:

    I say defund the Supreme Court..  You? 

    excon
  • BoganBogan 302 Pts   -  
    The situation in the USA, and in other western countries is, that the public service thinks that it is the legitimate government, and so pandering to the people that the senior public servants think are deplorable cretins with elections, is not in the new aristocratic classes interest.  .      This is why every left wing elected government in the western world is basically the political arm of the public service.        But what we are also seeing is a coalition of extreme left, public service types, with pseudo aristocrats of the upper management of the public service, combined with the rich oligarchs who control major corporations and especially the media.   That such a coalition of people who are people are usually at war with each other is inherently unstable, was displayed recently by the picketing of ex Speaker of he House, Nancy Pelosi, by members of the extreme Left in her own democratic party, led by AOC. 

    That the once internationally admired FBI has become politicized at the upper level management level is so screamingly obvious, that even the double digit IQ Jack/excon should be able to see it.     One purpose of the FBI is to root out political corruption, which it did with the famous Abscam case where 22 Democrat politicians were videotaped taking bribes in a sting operation, for selling influence.      But today, the upper levels of the FBI are doing the opposite of what they are supposed to do.   Instead of prosecuting glaringly obvious corruption by the Biden family, they are instead hiding evidence, refusing to co operate with the Congressional Oversight Committee, hiding crucial documents, and being the primary defenders of Biden family corruption.      This has been confirmed by some FBI whistleblowers, good and courageous men, who have seriously compromised their own careers in the FBI by revealing how the FBI was running legal interference for the Biden's.     

    it is in the interests of every person in the USA, Republican or Democrat, for government institutions like the FBI to not become politicized.      The FBI became politicized under J. Edgar Hoover and the left, quite justifiably,  never stopped screaming about that.         Today, the boot is on the other foot, and now that The Left finds common cause with the top levels of the FBI, it sees nothing wrong with using the power of FBI to commit election interference, or for the senior FBI officials to  use the influence they have with rich oligarchs to censor political discussion, in direct violation of the US Constitution.      Sadly, the FBI, once considered the world's best crime fighting organisation, has at the upper level, become so corrupt that it is now an organized crime outfit itself,     As Winston Churchill so wisely stated.  "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely".     And.    "Sooner or later, those with absolute power will get around to abusing that power"

    The answer to official unelected government corruption is democracy.    Corrupt officials should be identified by elected representatives, be sacked from their jobs, even jailed.    This is going to happen when Trump is re elected President, and so the corrupt unelected government officials are so terrified of that.   So terrified that they will go to Third World political depths to ensure that he is not re elected by the ordinary people that they despise and wish to control.  

    The same can be said of the DoJ.     Every American, Republican or  Democrat, should understand that the DoJ much never be politicized.      For any nation to have a politicized judiciary and a politicized law enforcement agency which are both engaging in immoral and criminal behaviour to protect one side of politics and harass the other side, is the sort of behaviour which the USA has routinely condemned a morally wrong in every banana republic which ever engaged in it.     The enemies of the USA must be laughing their heads off at how the moralizing Americans have become, under the Biden administration, just as corrupt as they are.      And people like Jack/excon support it.  .    Ama-a-a-a-azing.  

    Comparing BLM with those who simply wish to end the obvious corruption of a once great law enforcement agency is ridiculous.     BLM is run by a bunch of money laundering crooks who have used the unjustified resentments of the black criminal class in the USA. to demand that police forces all over the UISA should be defunded, to be collectively punished for the death of a out of control criminal ,who they identify with.     The reformation of the FBI by the elected leaders of the American people. to prevent the recurrence of the most egregious political bias, which includes election interference, the hiding of documents from the Congressional Oversight Committee, and the violations of every Americans (even Jack's) Second Amendment rights, should be considered virtuous.    It is also  the act of good elected representatives acting on behalf of all Americans.   Even those like Jack who re too stu-pid to understand it.           


  • jackjack 314 Pts   -   edited September 2
    Hello B:

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again. 

    “Great minds discuss ideas;
    Average minds discuss events;
    Small minds discuss people

    Who wants to discuss stuff with VILE people???  Certainly, not me.

    excon

  • DreamerDreamer 172 Pts   -  
    Argument Topic: Trump supporters are crazy. I am in the middle of a heat wave.

    I wonder if on some level is it even worth it to point out the flaws of the Trump supporters, they are so many? I wonder if we are normalizing Trump and Trumpism? Just look at the reasons Andrew Clyde mentioning the deep state a dangerous anti-Semitic Qanon conspiracy theory.

    Heat waves are more frequent, longer, and more intense due to climate change. This just is not fair. Poor and/or disabled people bear more of the brunt. While rich people live in their expensive cool cars and houses.

    "Global warming is increasing the frequency, duration and intensity of heatwaves. Over the last decade, heatwaves are five times more likely than if there had been no global warming. This means there is an 80% chance that current heat records are caused by humans."


    Then, what do the rich do? They defend Trump with even more craziness of defunding the FBI and DOJ. No mercy, Trump will see jail time. We cannot allow the precedence of Trump's villainy to go free.

    This is how totalitarian and other corrupt governments work. Not only are the innocent punished, but the guilty go free similar to the rape kit backlog. Trump in prison end the kleptocracy so democracy can thrive.
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 5050 Pts   -  
    Police is a local enforcement agency that answers to the local authorities; in contrast, the FBI is a federal agency that does not answer to anyone outside Washington DC. Having an enforcement agency that can arrest an individual against the will of the local authorities seems like a serious overreach of the federal government, and is in severe violation of the decentralization principle the US is founded on.

    Note that for the majority of this country's history (from 1776 to 1908) no federal investigative organization existed in it, and FBI's introduction at the beginning of the 20th century was extremely controversial. Comparing it to defunding police is like comparing formation of the US to formation of the USSR. These are completely different entities that only have a couple of superficial properties in common.
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