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Should we have at least a $100 a ton carbon price in 1st world countries?

Debate Information

Position: For
Yes, we should have a $100 or more per ton of Co2 price. Freeloaders are a major problem when it comes to pollution. Individual profits and socialized costs. We are stealing from future generations and overburdening them by delaying. This $100 price would better reflect the overall cost.


Unless you want a bunch of climate change displaced refugees in your neighborhood better reduce Co2. A one meter rise in sea level would displace 230 million people.



  1. Live Poll

    At least $100 per ton carbon price?

    3 votes
    1. Yay
      33.33%
    2. Nay
      66.67%



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Votes: 2


Debate Type: Traditional Debate



Voting Format: Casual Voting

Opponent: MayCaesar

Rounds: 1

Time Per Round: 48 Hours Per Round


Voting Period: 7 Days


Round 1

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  • Round 1 | Position: Against
    MayCaesarMayCaesar 6053 Pts   -  
    First of all, let me thank my opponent for suggesting this debate. While I do accept the debate, I would like my opponent to clarify their reasoning so I could respond in a meaningful manner. Specifically, I do not follow the logical chain from the stated premises to the conclusion that a $100+ a ton carbon price would "better reflect the overall cause". Here are my questions:
    • What exactly transaction is being talked about? Are we talking about pure CO2 stored in a tank which I want to purchase, so that the government would impose a price control on it? Are we talking about equivalent amount of CO2 industrial activities I partake in produce? Are we talking about direct imposition of these price control, or more indirect regulations that are projected to result in the market price being this?
    • It is unclear to me what it means to "steal from future generations". I would like to hear my opponent's definition of "stealing" used in this sentence. All (economical) definitions of stealing I am familiar with involve stealing from someone who currently possesses a piece of property, which, to my understanding, future generations metaphysically cannot.
    • I do not understand where the number of $100 came from. Why not $99 or $101? Why not $50 or $200? What economical analysis resulted in this spectacularly round number?
    • I would like to understand how my opponent arrived at the conclusion that without this measure in place I would eventually have a "bunch" of climate change-displaced refugees in my neighborhood. Is my neighborhood somehow special, or does this sentence refer to a more general "A neighborhood", in which case climate change-displaced refugees would somewhat uniformly fill out all neighborhoods? And, again, why does the exact value of $100 prevents this from occurring, rather than $99 or $101 or some other value?
    • My opponent also mentioned the projected consequences of a one meter rise in sea level, which appears to me to be completely disconnected from the rest of the argument. I would like to see the connection drawn; how does this support my opponent's conclusion?
    • Finally, I would like to see a bit of discussion of the potential negative consequences of imposing the regulations my opponent has in mind. As per famous Thomas Sowell' quote, "There are no solutions, only trade-offs". The discussion of this proposal without considering both positive and negative consequences of it seems incomplete to me.
    With that, I am handing the microphone over to my opponent to clarify their argument, so we can proceed with a constructive discussion. 
    just_sayinGiantMan
  • Round 1 | Position: For
    DreamerDreamer 272 Pts   -  
    "The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change suggested that a carbon price of $100/tCO2e[a] could reduce global GHG emissions by at least half the 2019 level by 2030.[2]"


    For each ton emitted into the atmosphere, co2 is a pollutant.


    A $100 carbon price could be implemented via tax, cap and trade, or a combination of both. No, I don't fully understand all the intricate details, but that is why we have experts.

    "Expert consensus is a powerful thing. None of us have the time or ability to learn about everything/ That's why we frequently defer to experts, such as consulting doctors when we’re ill."

    GiantMan
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