Should the United States send military and financial aid to Israel?

Dreamer

Argument Topic: Yes, Hamas is a terrorist organization like Al-Qaeda.

If we have learned anything from September 11th is that we failed to stop Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan. Our lack of decisive action in Afghanistan lead to Al-Qaeda crossing the border into another country. Which then lead to the disastrous invasion of Iraq.

It will be a lot cheaper to send aid to Israel as opposed to having to declare war directly on Hamas. Let history not repeat itself. Peaceful measures do not work against terrorists. There is no peace against terrorist organizations.

jack

Dreamer said:

Should the United States send military and financial aid to Israel?

Hello Dreamer:

More money and weapons won't change anything on the ground..  Israel has enough weaponry to annihilate the Palestinians 10 times over.    The question is, will they.  

In our recent history, the US had the choice to torture people or not.  We made the wrong decision.  Then, as now, I was blown away that Americans thought we SHOULD torture people - just as I'm blown away by the people who wanna wipe out the Palestinians.

excon

Dee

The charitable thing to do if the US is indeed donating money is to use it  to help assist those in need of humanitarian aid no matter their colour or religion 

Dreamer

Argument Topic: I agree that torture is always immoral and the wrong choice.

@jack

Torture is only effective for getting false confessions which is evil. I don't want to wipe out the Palestine I want to reduce the number of terrorists in the world. Ideally all Hamas would be captured or killed. To be perfectly clear Hamas is the enemy not Palestine.

Worst case scenario a very cruel invasion by Israel causes much more terrorists and Jihads just like the Iraq war made global terror worse.

"The U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq has increased the number of terrorist groups worldwide and "made the overall terrorism problem worse," a U.S. intelligence official said in a secret study."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-iraq-war-made-terror-worse/

When fighting terrorists who use guerilla warfare, human shields, and other unthinkable immoral tactics 10x the firepower is not enough, you need more. That's why the United States should send aid to Israel to reduce the overall number of causalities and prevent Hamas from retreating.

John_C_87

@Dreamer

Torture is only effective for getting false confessions which is evil.
I would United State Consitutional argue this with you but it is very, very unappropriate in this context.

I don't want to wipe out the Palestine I want to reduce the number of terrorists in the world. Ideally all Hamas would be captured or killed. To be perfectly clear Hamas is the enemy not Palestine.

There is a Military standard of honor that is lost in this statement. Collateral damage during War is based on the funding of the soldiers who are engaged in conflict. We are basically saying that poor soldiers are terrorist because they cannot pay for higher priced weapons with less collateral damage. Also I praise Israel for a level of restraint it has shown so far during this tragedy and loss of human life.

Dreamer

Argument Topic: I agree that we should praise Israel for their level of restraint during this tragedy.

@John_C_87

Doesn't have to be that way. There are plenty of just evil actions committed by well funded soldiers. The Soviets knocking down indigenous peoples' villages. Or the Russians shooting Ukraine dogs for no reason.

"Ukraine’s government has accused the Russian military of intentionally striking dog shelters and horse stables. Russian soldiers in retreat from the Kyiv region left behind the bullet-riddled corpses of not just cattle, horses, and goats, but even pet dogs."

"The Russians have identified yet another way to inflict pain on the Ukrainian people—not by starving them but by breaking their heart." George Packer

I don't see this as a result of being underfunded. In fact Russia has a massive advantage.

"Ukraine's armed forces are heavily outnumbered and outgunned by Russia's" Reuters

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/how-ukraines-armed-forces-shape-up-against-russias-2022-02-01/

I stand with Ukraine and Israel. More military support for both.

John_C_87

Argument Topic: Atrocity

@Dreamer

I don't see this as a result of being underfunded. In fact Russia has a massive advantage.

It is not the Democratic Soviet Socialist Authority which is the underfunded party. By American United States Constitutional Right Ukraine is best described as a State of Law. I'm not comfortable using truth, whole truth, and nothing but truth when speaking openly about the overall states of the union which are taking place here as it may be misunderstood or interpreted outside the United State of Constitutional Right in which is held by First Amendment. Again, due to criminal law practices breaking the First Amendment as a practice of law and not United State Constitutional Right. 

I stand with Ukraine and Israel. More military support for both.

We agree on principle but not presentation of the principle. As fact we offer Armed Service support not Military support to anyone at this point, America does not have a United States Military any longer. It is clearly influenced by legislation of criminal law by Congress and was transferred into a different state of the Union. Armed Services of America “ The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article." All this due to the fact that women had not created themselves all equal by a verbal command by their own Declaration of Independence. Fact an Amendment was needed in the American Declaration of Independence as a minimum. 

That aside Armed Services support for Ukraine and Isael are not a United State and they each need independent forms of assistance. There are some people who speak of making America great again, yet have no common defense as direction, literally these people have no plan and are aggressive seek a change back to chaos by guess work. This might not be a problem only America has and might be a united state of grievance. 

To be clear the use of Military and Armed Service are based strictly on service to the country as a commissioned soldier. Meaning they are paid money in America this means Federal Reserve Notes. Legal tender for all debt. It is legal for it is balanced in both criminal law and American United Sates Constitutional law, together.  I do not think women cannot be in an Armed Service I only know as fact women could never be in an organization bound by honor to serve united state Constitutional right. Women did not include themselves and as a united state in grievance describing their choices as the more perfect connection to established justice. Criminal law only describes an imperfect state of the union between two sides of established justice for all.

ZeusAres42

@John_C_87

John_C_87

@ZeusAres42
One five pointed star equal one and a half diamonds...