Should Hitler's "Mein Kampf" Be Studied Or Banned?

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JulesKorngold said:

Should Hitler's "Mein Kampf" Be Studied Or Banned?

Hello Jules:

Studied, for sure..

I'm person who believes that information, by itself, is NOT harmful, whereas banning books is extremely harmful..

excon

MayCaesar

I have not read Mein Kampf, but I have read Mussolini's Doctrine of Fascism. I found it to be a fascinating essay in a few different respects. One, it allowed me to look deep into the mind of the dictator and appreciate just how depraved and detached from reality it is. Two, it gave me a better understanding of the philosophical underpinnings of Fascism, and I was somewhat (but not too much) surprised to see how much similarity with Socialism it had. Three, I stopped seeing the Italian Fascism and its German sibling Nazism as isolated phenomena, but instead as a part of the more general departure from the enlightenment values back to the feudal thinking.

What would be the best way to make sure that no one ever understands why Italian Fascism happened and how to prevent it from happening in other countries in the future? Ban the book. Then next time a variation of Fascism comes around somewhere else, there will be no one to say, "Guys, we have been through it in the past - it did not end well. Tread lightly here".

I will warn you though: Doctrine of Fascism is a very boring book. Benito was not exactly a genius, nor was he a great writer. The book is dry, the ideas in it are shallow, and the claims are unjustified. Do not expect to gain some incredible insights of an original mind from it. It is more of a journey through the mind of a madman tired from life than anything else.

Barnardot

@JulesKorngold The hole world regards Adolf for being one of the worst people ever to live but may be there are things he proposed in his book that might beer listening to. For example he had a clear idea of building Germanys economy and he implemented some of them. Like the VW for example and the auto barns. And the yong Hitler youth movement taught kids how to be holesome.

JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: The Hitler Youth Organization Was NOT Wholesome

Sources for the following post:

• Hitler Youth: A History. by Robert S. McElroy, Indiana University Press, 1997.
• Children in Nazi Germany: The Hitler Youth. by Susan Brownmiller, HarperCollins, 2009.
• The Hitler Youth: Its History and Its Aims. by Michael H. Kater, Harvard University Press, 2004.
• Documents on the Holocaust. Edited by Michael Burleigh, Penguin Books, 2000.
• United States Holocaust Memorial Museum: https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/mobile/en/

The Hitler Youth movement in Nazi Germany instilled a set of highly dangerous and evil ideologies in young people through various methods. 

Core Teachings:

• Unquestioning loyalty to Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party: Children were indoctrinated with complete obedience to the regime and its leader.
• Extreme nationalism and racial superiority: They were taught that Germans were a superior race destined to dominate others, particularly Jews and other minorities.
• Anti-Semitism and hatred of other groups: The movement actively spread racist and discriminatory views, laying the groundwork for the Holocaust.
• Militarism and violence: Boys were trained in combat skills and encouraged to be aggressive and prepared for war.

Methods of Indoctrination:

• Compulsory membership: All German children were expected to join the movement from a young age, leaving little room for individuality or dissent.
• Intense propaganda and indoctrination: Rallies, speeches, songs, and visual propaganda relentlessly promoted Nazi ideology.
• Physical training and paramilitary activities: Boys were trained in combat skills and organized into military-style units, fostering a culture of aggression and obedience.
• Surveillance and social pressure: Children were encouraged to report on each other and their families, creating a climate of fear and paranoia.

Long-Term Impact:

The Hitler Youth movement had a devastating impact on both individual children and German society as a whole. It contributed to the spread of hate, violence, and ultimately, the atrocities of the Holocaust. Today, it serves as a stark reminder of the dangers of totalitarianism and the importance of critical thinking and education in combating harmful ideologies.

Conclusion:

It's crucial to remember and learn from the dark history of the Hitler Youth movement to prevent similar events from happening again. We must promote critical thinking, tolerance, and respect for diversity to create a world where hatred and discrimination have no place.

Bogan

MayCaesar quote    I was somewhat (but not too much) surprised to see how much similarity with Socialism it had. 


Guy Sajer, German soldier on the Russian Front during world war three, from his book "The Forgotten Soldier."

"We were dying by our millions to destroy a system of government that was almost identical to our own."

Bogan

Juleskorngold quote  The Hitler Youth movement in Nazi Germany instilled a set of highly dangerous and evil ideologies in young people through various methods. 

                                       The transgender movement in the western world instilled a set of highly dangerous and evil ideologies in young people through various methods. 

JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: What About...

@Bogan
We're talking about Hitler and Nazis.  Please focus or start your own debate.

Bogan

I find that rich.   You pretend that you wish to debate with me over the question of "are races equal" and despite my informing you that i would not tolerate any "you must prove your points, I need to prove mine" style of dishonest debating, you did it anyway.   And now you wat to lecture me on proper procedure?.   Far cough, yank.

Barnardot

@Bogan ;The transgender movement in the western world instilled a set of highly dangerous and evil ideologies in young people through various methods. 

Oh did they or are you using even less than the 1/2 brain that you usually use. So what are these dangerous and evil ieaologies then? Like treating every one equal? Or this is real evil. Like loving and caring for people. Or Jesus strike me down. Do you mean the dangerous practice of being happy and positive. 

We can’t have that in this world can we ? We should all follow the gentle safe and ethical Red Neck Bogan ideologies of hating other people and eating road kill and bashing up minorities and being real mean aced. That’s the best ideology for the world isn’t it?

Openminded

Argument Topic: The transgender movement in the western world instilled a set of highly dangerous and evil ideologies in young people through various methods.

@Bogan
Stop the Gish Galloping. You ruin debates. This debate that I just started reading was cohesive and interesting and you had to throw your gaslighting curve ball in.
Stop.

Barnardot

@Openminded I have pulled @Bogan every time he uses his dirty tactics. I court him also posting fraudulent newspaper reports and sites and it is a matter of when not if that nasty bigot troll gets kicked off because every one else except the other 2 troll s have campaigned to get him kicked off.

Openminded

Argument Topic: The hole world regards Adolf for being one of the worst people ever to live but

@Barnardo

Saying Hitler did good things like initiate the VW factory is like saying promoting harmful ideologies and actions is acceptable as long as there are some positive outcomes. Itś also like Trump, when justifying the Proud Boys touting ¨Jews will not replace us¨ was okay as there were good people on both sides.

This is a fallacious and dangerous perspective. It suggests that ones accomplishments should compensate for their heinous evils. This should never be an acceptable position.

MayCaesar

Openminded said:

@Barnardo

Saying Hitler did good things like initiate the VW factory is like saying promoting harmful ideologies and actions is acceptable as long as there are some positive outcomes. Itś also like Trump, when justifying the Proud Boys touting ¨Jews will not replace us¨ was okay as there were good people on both sides.

This is a fallacious and dangerous perspective. It suggests that ones accomplishments should compensate for their heinous evils. This should never be an acceptable position.

No, saying Hitler did good things is stating facts. It is not "like saying promoting harmful ideologies and actions is acceptable as long as there are some positive outcomes". The acceptability of promoting his ideology does not at all derive from the original claim.

This black and white thinking is very juvenile. That if someone claims that Hitler ate children for breakfast and someone else questions this claim, the questioner is immediately accused of supporting Hitler. The idea that Hitler was a complex human being, and not just a stereotypical giggling villain from a Hollywood movie, just goes over the head of these folks.

just_sayin

If you cover controversial books, the materials need to be age appropriate and not force kids to affirm those beliefs.  In Florida, the issue with banning Critical Race Theory dealt with the issue that kids were being asked to affirm the racist beliefs of the system.  no student should have to affirm that you can know someone's implicit biases, intentions, guilt, oppressor/victim status, privileges, traits, or fragility because of their race. Unfortunately, that is exactly what CRT teaches.

And so SJWs won't lie about what the bill actually said about CRT, here is the text of that part of the bill:

(3) The Legislature acknowledges the fundamental truth that
  280  all individuals are equal before the law and have inalienable
  281  rights. Accordingly, instruction on the topics enumerated in
  282  this section and supporting materials must be consistent with
  283  the following principles of individual freedom:
  284         (a) No individual is inherently racist, sexist, or
  285  oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously, solely by
  286  virtue of his or her race or sex.
  287         (b) No race is inherently superior to another race.
  288         (c) No individual should be discriminated against or
  289  receive adverse treatment solely or partly on the basis of race,
  290  color, national origin, religion, disability, or sex.
  291         (d) Meritocracy or traits such as a hard work ethic are not
  292  racist but fundamental to the right to pursue happiness and be
  293  rewarded for industry.
  294         (e) An individual, by virtue of his or her race or sex,
  295  does not bear responsibility for actions committed in the past
  296  by other members of the same race or sex.
  297         (f) An individual should not be made to feel discomfort,
  298  guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on
  299  account of his or her race.