Was Jesus Christ A Palestinian?

just_sayin

JulesKorngold said:

No way.  If Jesus existed at all, the New Testament says he was born in Bethlehem, Judea.  The Romans renamed it "Palestine" much later - in the 2nd century.

The New Testament clearly indicates Jesus was Jewish:
From the Gemini chatbot:

• Historical Context: Judaism was the dominant religion in Judea during the time of Jesus. The entire New Testament was written in a Jewish cultural context.

• Ancestry: The genealogies of Jesus in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke trace his lineage back to King David, a central figure in Jewish history.

• Practices: Jesus observed Jewish customs and traditions. He participated in Jewish festivals like Passover (John 2:13) and taught in synagogues (Mark 1:21).

• References: Jesus is referred to as a "Rabbi" (John 1:38), a Jewish teacher. He debated Jewish religious leaders and engaged with Jewish interpretations of scripture.

• Messiah: Jesus identified himself as the Messiah prophesied in the Hebrew Bible, a concept central to Judaism.

The entire context of the New Testament portrays Jesus as someone who fully participated in and identified with first-century Judaism.

Jesus was definitely Jewish with his biological lineage associated with David from the southern part of Israel.  How are you defining Palestinian?  

JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: Definition

A Palestinian is a person who is native to or lives in Palestine, or an Arab who previously lived in Palestine and advocates for an Arab homeland there.

Joeseph

Jesus was Murican he was  born and raised in Missouri to a fundie family who were fully paid up members of the NRA and staunch Republicans.

ZeusAres42

Hmm, I thought he was Chinese.

all4actt

The Romans did not name Palestine . The. Philiastiens did.  They were an acient people that they believe were of European decent that ruled the area for a period of time. When they left the name was considered an insult to the other people in the surrounding area. 

I could get in more detail but it really is not the point of the debate and I just wanted you to know the true providence of the name.
 @JulesKorngold

RickeyHoltsclaw

@JulesKorngold ; Palestine did not exist during the life of Jesus nor is Palestine a reality...it's a made-up name for a people group who emanate from the seed of Satan.

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@JulesKorngold ; Palestine did not exist during the life of Jesus nor is Palestine a reality...it's a made-up name for a people group who emanate from the seed of Satan.

Any evidence? Bible verses aren't evidence. They're just dogma to assist in religious conviction. 

JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: "Palestine"

@all4actt

No, the Philistines did not name their land Palestine. The name "Palestine" most likely originated from the Egyptians or another neighboring civilization and was used to refer to the entire region, not just the area inhabited by the Philistines.

Joeseph

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Thanks for clearing that up , it maks perfect sense when you  think  about it .

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ;

"But first let’s consider one of its earlier and notable uses. The Roman emperor Hadrian reigned for 21 years between 117-138 A.D. From 132–136 A.D., a Jewish messianic figure, Bar Kokhba, led a revolt against Hadrian that resulted in the deaths of more than half a million Jews in their desperate bid for independence from their pagan conquerors. But their valiant attempt was in vain against the overwhelming power of Roman legions.

Hadrian’s genocidal ambition intensified when he then decided to strip the Jews of their biblical name. He sought to change their identity and sever them from their ancestry by renaming the land Syria Palestina after the Philistines in the Bible—enemies of Israel, although not Arabs. Hadrian then made it worse. He renamed Jerusalem—the already 1,000-year-old Jewish capital—Aelia Capitolina and turned it into a pagan city."

https://cbnisrael.org/2021/10/21/the-truth-about-palestine-then-and-now/

jack

JulesKorngold said:

Was Jesus a Palestinian

Hello Jules:

Nahhh...  Look at that shayne punim.  He's got a Jewish schnoz and he's wearing a yamilka and payot.  

Du*de.

excon

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder ;

"But first let’s consider one of its earlier and notable uses. The Roman emperor Hadrian reigned for 21 years between 117-138 A.D. From 132–136 A.D., a Jewish messianic figure, Bar Kokhba, led a revolt against Hadrian that resulted in the deaths of more than half a million Jews in their desperate bid for independence from their pagan conquerors. But their valiant attempt was in vain against the overwhelming power of Roman legions.

Hadrian’s genocidal ambition intensified when he then decided to strip the Jews of their biblical name. He sought to change their identity and sever them from their ancestry by renaming the land Syria Palestina after the Philistines in the Bible—enemies of Israel, although not Arabs. Hadrian then made it worse. He renamed Jerusalem—the already 1,000-year-old Jewish capital—Aelia Capitolina and turned it into a pagan city."

https://cbnisrael.org/2021/10/21/the-truth-about-palestine-then-and-now/

Thanks, but the emphasis on my question was less on when the name originated as nomenclature always has a starting point. But since you included that aspect I thought I'd correct you as it was the Greeks who first named it Palestine per the blog you sourced...

However, the history of that name goes back millennia. First coined by the ancient Greeks for the five-city area in the Philistine confederacy
https://cbnisrael.org/2021/10/21/the-truth-about-palestine-then-and-now/

And that was about 500 yrs before the Bar Kokhba revolt...

The first clear use of the term Palestine to refer to the entire area between Phoenicia and Egypt was in 5th century BCE ancient Greece,[iii][iv] when Herodotus wrote of a "district of Syria, called Palaistinê" (Ancient Greek: Συρίη ἡ Παλαιστίνη καλεομένη)[9] in The Histories, which included the Judean mountains and the Jordan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_(region)#:~:text=The%20first%20clear%20use%20of,Judean%20mountains%20and%20the%20Jordan

Over time the region may have condensed and expanded depending on geopolitical circumstances but it was in existence during the time of christ. Unless it fell into the ocean at some point?

Now for the part of your post I was more interested in: You said...

...it's a made-up name for a people group who emanate from the seed of Satan.

Any empirical evidence of this satan, or the seed of it you mention? Is there observational documentation or authentic recordings of people 'emanating' from this thing you reference? Remember, 'the bible says' isn't evidence.

21CenturyIconoclast

@just_sayin

YOUR BIBLE INEPT THINKING AGAIN IN FRONT OF THE MEMBERSHIP!:  "Jesus was definitely Jewish with his biological lineage associated with David from the southern part of Israel.  How are you defining Palestinian? "

When will you ever give this esteemed Religion Forum a break from your outright BIBLE STUPIDITY?!  Huh?

I have already made you the Bible fool on this topic before, but you didn't take the BIBLE AXIOMS to heart that I gave you, other than to continually RUN AWAY from them in showing everyone in how BIBLE you are!  ENOUGH!

1. Joseph could not pass on his "seeds of David through the flesh" to give the baby Jesus the blood line of David because Joseph did not have sexual relations with Mary to begin with! GET IT? This is because Jesus as God celestially and incestually impregnated is own mother Mary through His Holy Spirit which is part of His Triune Doctrine as being God. Therefore, Apostle Paul LIED when he said this: “Jesus the Messiah, our Lord, who was descended from David ACCORDING TO THE FLESH” (Romans 1:3)

2. Furthermore, Jesus' mother Mary was a LEVITE, and her genealogy cannot be used to passing on the "seeds of David through the flesh" for obvious reasons, GET IT?  (Acts 2:30).

3.  The genealogies of Jesus, and Joseph in Matthew 1:16 and in Luke are for them only, and could never be for Mary  because of the simple fact that Mary is NOT specifically mentioned anywhere within the Bible as being from the blood line of David in the first place, period!

4.  ALL genealogies of the Hebrew peoples were in the fathers name, and NEVER in the 2nd class woman's name , therefore Matthew and Lukes genealogies were for Jesus and Joseph's genealogy only as they said, and NOT FOR MARY! (Numbers 1:18). 

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS TIME IN HOW BIBLE DUMB YOU TRULY ARE IN SAYING THAT JESUS IS FROM THE LINEAGE OF DAVID?! HUH? .....  MAYBE?.....  JUST A LITTLE BIT?  LOL!

Here is ANOTHER LINK that you are RUNNING AWAY from because you can't address your serial killer Jesus as God in his creation narratives!: https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/177920/#Comment_177920

RUN ... "JUST_SAYIN," ...RUN, HURRY, RUN AWAY FROM YOUR BIBLE STUPIDITY AGAIN AS SHOWN ABOVE!







 THE NEXT TOTALLY BIBLE PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN LIKE "JUST SAYIN," WILL BE ....?

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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

OMG!!!  LOOK WHO IS BACK TO BE EASILY MADE THE BIBLE FOOL AGAIN IN FRONT OF THE MEMBERSHIP, IT’S RICKEYHOLTSCLAW!!!!

Since you had to run away back in early March from your JUDEO-Christian Bible’s deplorable verses and narratives, you have a lot of catching up to do with just me alone! Understood Bible FOOL?

Remember, this Religion Forum is for discussion, and not to RUN away from discussion like you have done as shown in the links below, understood bible fool? HUH?

Now, we will start with ONLY the statements below that you have RAN AWAY from since your embarrassing departure because you couldn't handle me BIBLE SLAPPING YOU SILLY®️ in front of the membership!  NO LITTLE BOY EXCUSES TO RUN AWAY AGAIN, UNDERSTOOD?

READY?

BEGIN!!!!!!:

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/177595/#Comment_177595

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/177452/#Comment_177452

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/177678/#Comment_177678

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176599/#Comment_176599

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176599/#Comment_176599

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176610/#Comment_176610

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https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176652/#Comment_176652

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176697/#Comment_176697

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https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176816/#Comment_176816

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/176946/#Comment_176946

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/177302/#Comment_177302

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/177306/#Comment_177306

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/177372/#Comment_177372

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/177398/#Comment_177398

RICKEY, HAS YOUR CHILDREN AND WIFE VIEWED YOUR BIBLE STUPIDITY WITHIN THIS RELIGION FORUM, AND WHERE THEY ARE AS EMBARRASSED AS YOU ARE BECAUSE OF THIS FACT?

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RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; If you have a question or a premise or a rebuttal...I'll respond.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; The Land has belonged to Israel for 3900-years...it was never Palestine...It was Israel's property and remains same and will continue to be Israel's property throughout the Millennial Kingdom.

14 After Lot had departed, the LORD said to Abram, “Now lift up your eyes from the place where you are, and look to the north and south and east and west, 15 for all the land that you see, I will give to you and your offspring forever. 16 I will make your offspring like the dust of the earth, so that if one could count the dust of the earth, then your offspring could be counted.…  Genesis 13

just_sayin

21CenturyIconoclast said:

@just_sayin

YOUR BIBLE INEPT THINKING AGAIN IN FRONT OF THE MEMBERSHIP!:  "Jesus was definitely Jewish with his biological lineage associated with David from the southern part of Israel.  How are you defining Palestinian? "

When will you ever give this esteemed Religion Forum a break from your outright BIBLE STUPIDITY?!  Huh?

I have already made you the Bible fool on this topic before, but you didn't take the BIBLE AXIOMS to heart that I gave you, other than to continually RUN AWAY from them in showing everyone in how BIBLE you are!  ENOUGH!

1. Joseph could not pass on his "seeds of David through the flesh" to give the baby Jesus the blood line of David because Joseph did not have sexual relations with Mary to begin with! GET IT? This is because Jesus as God celestially and incestually impregnated is own mother Mary through His Holy Spirit which is part of His Triune Doctrine as being God. Therefore, Apostle Paul LIED when he said this: “Jesus the Messiah, our Lord, who was descended from David ACCORDING TO THE FLESH” (Romans 1:3)

2. Furthermore, Jesus' mother Mary was a LEVITE, and her genealogy cannot be used to passing on the "seeds of David through the flesh" for obvious reasons, GET IT?  (Acts 2:30).

3.  The genealogies of Jesus, and Joseph in Matthew 1:16 and in Luke are for them only, and could never be for Mary  because of the simple fact that Mary is NOT specifically mentioned anywhere within the Bible as being from the blood line of David in the first place, period!

4.  ALL genealogies of the Hebrew peoples were in the fathers name, and NEVER in the 2nd class woman's name , therefore Matthew and Lukes genealogies were for Jesus and Joseph's genealogy only as they said, and NOT FOR MARY! (Numbers 1:18). 

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS TIME IN HOW BIBLE DUMB YOU TRULY ARE IN SAYING THAT JESUS IS FROM THE LINEAGE OF DAVID?! HUH? .....  MAYBE?.....  JUST A LITTLE BIT?  LOL!

Here is ANOTHER LINK that you are RUNNING AWAY from because you can't address your serial killer Jesus as God in his creation narratives!: https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/177920/#Comment_177920

RUN ... "JUST_SAYIN," ...RUN, HURRY, RUN AWAY FROM YOUR BIBLE STUPIDITY AGAIN AS SHOWN ABOVE!







 THE NEXT TOTALLY BIBLE PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN LIKE "JUST SAYIN," WILL BE ....?

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You know you could have just did a quick Google search and found that Mary is said to descend on her father's side from the tribe of Judah, and on her mother's from the tribe of Levi.  That would make Jesus in the lineage of priest and king.  Non-Christian sources affirm that Jesus could predict the future, so that would make Jesus - prophet, priest, and king.  In ancient Israel, tribal affiliation came through the father and Mary’s father was from the tribe of Judah. The early church fathers all said this.  And the custom of bridegroom was that the husband could choose his bride from only among his tribe.

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder ; The Land has belonged to Israel for 3900-years...it was never Palestine...It was Israel's property and remains same and will continue to be Israel's property throughout the Millennial Kingdom.

14 After Lot had departed, the LORD said to Abram, “Now lift up your eyes from the place where you are, and look to the north and south and east and west, 15 for all the land that you see, I will give to you and your offspring forever. 16 I will make your offspring like the dust of the earth, so that if one could count the dust of the earth, then your offspring could be counted.…  Genesis 13

So your answer is "no" you have no evidence for your claims. Thanks

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; The Scriptures tell you this...don't you trust the Scriptures?

Archeology in Israel  involves the systematic investigation of all the remains of the country's past - from prehistory to the end of Ottoman rule. The profusion of material remains is evidence of the many cultures that have left their imprint on the Land.

Above all archeological research clearly reveals the historical link between the Jewish people, the Bible and the Land of Israel, uncovering the remains of the cultural heritage of the Jewish people in its homeland. These visible remains, buried in the soil, constitute the physical link between the past, the present and the future of the Jewish people in its country.

This unbroken chain of history can be observed at sites all over the country. Jerusalem, the capital of Israel, has been the focus of extensive archeological activity and remains of 5,000 years of history have been revealed.

 

TIMELINE OF HISTORICAL HIGHLIGHTS

17th-6th C. BCE	BIBLICAL TIMES
(BCE - Before the Common Era)
c.17th century     Drawings by Noam Nadav	Abraham, Isaac, Jacob - patriarchs of the Jewish people and bearers of a belief in one God - settle in the Land of Israel. Famine forces Israelites to migrate to Egypt.
c.13th century	Exodus from Egypt: Moses leads Israelites from Egypt, followed by 40 years of wandering in the desert. Torah, including the Ten Commandments, received at Mount Sinai.
13th-12th centuries	Israelites settle in the Land of Israel
c.1020	Jewish monarchy established; Saul, first king.
c.1000	Jerusalem made capital of David's kingdom.
c.960	First Temple, the national and spiritual center of the Jewish people, built in Jerusalem by King Solomon.
c. 930	Divided kingdom: Judah and Israel
722-720	Israel crushed by Assyrians; 10 tribes exiled (Ten Lost Tribes).
586	Judah conquered by Babylonia; Jerusalem and First Temple destroyed; most Jews exiled.
THE SECOND TEMPLE PERIOD
538-142	Persian and Hellenistic periods
538-515	Many Jews return from Babylonia; Temple rebuilt.
332	Land conquered by Alexander the Great; Hellenistic rule.
166-160	Maccabean (Hasmonean) revolt against restrictions on practice of Judaism and desecration of the Temple
142-129	Jewish autonomy under Hasmoneans.
129-63	Jewish independence under Hasmonean monarchy.
63	Jerusalem captured by Roman general, Pompey.
63 BCE-313 CE	Roman rule
63-4 BCE	Herod, Roman vassal king, rules the Land of Israel; Temple in Jerusalem refurbished
(CE - The Common Era)
c. 20-33	Ministry of Jesus of Nazareth
66	Jewish revolt against the Romans
70	Destruction of Jerusalem and Second Temple.
73	Last stand of Jews at Masada.
132-135	Bar Kokhba uprising against Rome.
c. 210	Codification of Jewish oral law (Mishna) completed.
FOREIGN DOMINATION
313-636	Byzantine rule
c. 390	Commentary on the Mishna (Jerusalem Talmud) completed.
614	Persian invasion
636-1099	Arab rule
691	On site of First and Second Temples in Jerusalem, Dome of the Rock built by Caliph Abd el-Malik.
1099-1291	Crusader domination (Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem)
1291-1516	Mamluk rule
1517-1917	Ottoman rule
1564	Code of Jewish law (Shulhan Arukh) published.
1860	First neighborhood built outside walls of Jerusalem's Old City.
1882-1903	First Aliya (large-scale immigration), mainly from Russia.
1897	First Zionist Congress convened by Theodor Herzl in Basel, Switzerland; Zionist Organization founded.
1904-14	Second Aliya, mainly from Russia and Poland.
1909	First kibbutz, Degania, and first modern all-Jewish city, Tel Aviv, founded.
1917	400 years of Ottoman rule ended by British conquest; British Foreign Minister Balfour pledges support for establishment of a "Jewish national home in Palestine"
1918-48	British rule
1919-23	Third Aliya, mainly from Russia
1920	Histadrut (General Federation of Labor) and Haganah (Jewish defense organization) founded. Vaad Leumi (National Council) set up by Jewish community (Yishuv) to conduct its affairs.
1921	First moshav (cooperative village), Nahalal, founded.
1922	Britain granted Mandate for Palestine (Land of Israel) by League of Nations; Transjordan set up on three-fourths of the area, leaving one fourth for the Jewish national home. Jewish Agency representing Jewish community vis-a-vis Mandate authorities set up.
1924	Technion, first institute of technology, founded in Haifa.
1924-32	Fourth Aliya, mainly from Poland.
1925	Hebrew University of Jerusalem opened on Mount Scopus.
1929	Hebron Jews massacred by Arab terrorists.
1931	Etzel, Jewish underground organization, founded.
1933-39	Fifth Aliya, mainly from Germany.
1936-39	Anti-Jewish riots instigated by Arab terrorists.
1939	Jewish immigration severely limited by British White Paper.
1939-45	World War II; Holocaust in Europe.
1941	Lehi underground movement formed; Palmach, strike force of Haganah, set up.
1944	Jewish Brigade formed as part of British forces.
1947	UN proposes the establishment of Arab and Jewish states in the Land.
STATE OF ISRAEL
1948	End of British Mandate (14 May) State of Israel proclaimed (14 May). Israel invaded by five Arab states (15 May). Israel Defense Forces (IDF) established. War of Independence (May 1948-July 1949).
1949	Armistice agreements signed with Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon. Jerusalem divided under Israeli and Jordanian rule. First Knesset (parliament) elected. Israel admitted to United Nations as 59th member.
1948-52	Mass immigration from Europe and Arab countries.
1956	Sinai Campaign
1962	Adolf Eichmann tried and executed in Israel for his part in the Holocaust.
1964	National Water Carrier completed, bringing water from Lake Kinneret in the north to the semi-arid south.
1967	Six-Day War; Jerusalem reunited.
1968-70	Egypt's War of Attrition against Israel
1973	Yom Kippur War
1975	Israel becomes an associate member of the European Common Market.
1977	Likud forms government after Knesset elections, end of 30 years of Labor rule. Visit of Egyptian President Anwar Sadat to Jerusalem.
1978	Camp David Accords include framework for comprehensive peace in the Middle East and proposal for Palestinian self-government.
1979	Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty signed. Prime Minister Menachem Begin and President Anwar Sadat awarded Nobel Peace Prize.
1981	Israel Air Force destroys Iraqi nuclear reactor just before it is to become operative.
1982	Israel's three-stage withdrawal from Sinai Peninsula completed. Operation Peace for Galilee removes  Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) terrorists from Lebanon.
1984	National unity government (Likud and Labor) formed after elections. Operation Moses, immigration of Jews from Ethiopia.
1985	Free Trade Agreement signed with United States.
1987	Widespread violence (Intifada) starts in Israeli-administered areas.
1988	Likud government wins elections.
1989	Four-point peace initiative proposed by Israel. Start of mass immigration of Jews from former Soviet Union.
1991	Israel attacked by Iraqi Scud missiles during Gulf war. Middle East peace conference convened in Madrid; Operation Solomon, airlift of Jews from Ethiopia.
1992	Diplomatic relations established with China and India. New government headed by Yitzhak Rabin of Labor Party.
1993	Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements for the Palestinians signed by Israel and PLO, as representative of the Palestinian people (Oslo Accords).
1994	Implementation of Palestinian self-government in Gaza Strip and Jericho area. Full diplomatic relations with the Holy See. Morocco and Tunisia interest offices set up. Israel-Jordan Peace Treaty signed. Rabin, Peres, Arafat awarded Nobel Peace Prize.
1995	Broadened Palestinian self-government implemented in West Bank and Gaza Strip; Palestinian Council elected. Prime Minister Rabin assassinated at peace rally. Shimon Peres becomes prime minister.
1996	Fundamentalist Arab terrorism against Israel escalates. Operation Grapes of Wrath, retaliation for Hizbullah terrorists' attacks on northern Israel. Trade representation offices set up in Oman and Qatar. Likud forms government after Knesset elections. Binyamin Netanyahu elected prime minister. Omani trade representation office opened in Tel Aviv.
1997	Hebron Protocol signed by Israel and the PA.
1998	Israel celebrates its 50th anniversary. Israel and the PLO sign the Wye River Memorandum to facilitate implementation of the Interim Agreement.
1999	Ehud Barak (left-wing One Israel party) elected prime minister; forms coalition government. Israel and the PLO sign the Sharm-el-Sheikh Memorandum.
2000	Visit of Pope Paul II. Israel withdraws from the Security Zone in southern Lebanon. Israel admitted to UN Western European and Others Group. Renewed violence (Second Intifada). Prime Minister Barak resigns.
2001	Ariel Sharon (Likud) elected Prime Minister; forms broad-based unity government. The Sharm-el-Sheikh Fact-Finding Committee report (Mitchell Report) issued. Palestinian-Israeli Security Implementation Work Plan (Tenet ceasefire plan) proposed. Rechavam Ze'evy, Minister of Tourism, assassinated by Palestinian terrorists.
2002	Israel launches Operation Defensive Shield in response to massive Palestinian terrorist attacks. Israel begins building the anti-terrorist fence to stop West Bank terrorists from killing Israeli citizens. Prime Minister Sharon disperses the Knesset, calling for new elections to be held on 28 January 2003.
2003	Right-of-center coalition government formed by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. Israel accepts the Roadmap.
2005	Israel carries out the Disengagement Plan, ending Israel's presence in the Gaza Strip.
2006	After Prime Minister Sharon suffers a stroke, Ehud Olmert becomes acting prime minister. Following elections on 28 March, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert forms new government led by the Kadima Party. Israel carried out military operations against Palestinian terrorists in Gaza after kidnapping of Israeli soldier. The Second War in Lebanon, during which Israel carried out military operations against Hizbullah terrorism from southern Lebanon, following missile attacks and kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers.
2007	Shimon Peres elected President by the Knesset. Israel declares Gaza "hostile territory" following Hamas violent takeover of Gaza Strip.
2008	Israel celebrates its 60th anniversary. Israel launches its Gaza Operation (Operation Cast Lead) in response to the barrage of over 10,000 rockets and mortars fired from the Gaza Strip.
2009	Benjamin Netanyahu is elected Prime Minister in national elections held in February 2009, and forms a broad-based coalition government The city of Tel Aviv celebrates its 100th anniversary.
2010	Israel joins the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).

Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

The bible isn't evidence. It's dogma.

ZeusAres42

The land named Mesopotamia, the "Birthplace of Culture," saw the start of ways of life, laws, and worship. It helped the first towns and lands grow, such as the ones built by Sumerians, Assyrians, and Babylonians. These groups didn't just raise cities; they also penned tales, crafted rules, and held deep spiritual views.

In the stories of the Jewish people, Mesopotamia is the spot where Abraham, key to Jews, Christians, and Muslims, set off in the Hebrew texts. He moved from that land to Canaan, taking in areas now called Israel and Palestine, marking a big pledge to God in these religions.

Later, the name "Palestine" came up after an uprising in the years 132-136. The ruler of Rome, Hadrian, changed the place's name from Judea to Syria Palaestina to cut the tie of the Jews to the area after their fight, showing how the place's identity has shifted over time.

The old Canaan, by the Jordan River's west side, is well-known as where biblical folks like Abraham stayed. But the Romans later named it "Palestine."

Jesus came into the world in Bethlehem, in Judea—not Mesopotamia—a key point in chats about these sacred figures.

To wrap it up, Mesopotamia holds deep roots in culture and old times. Yet, to get the whole picture, especially in stories from the Bible, we should look into how names like "Canaan," "Judea," and "Palestine" have changed through the years. 

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; The Scriptures are provided you by the Holy Spirit. You should listen, learn, live.

Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Palestine has always existed. The Greeks coined the name about 500 BCE. Before that there had been tribes of who we now refer to as Palestinians as well as other nomads. What the bible says about god giving that land to the Jews even before that; doesn't negate the fact that the land and the people had been there before god promised it to Abraham. So your claim it didn't exist is wrong. Maybe it wasn't known as "Palestine" before god's promise to Abraham but it wasn't called Israel yet either.  

While there is general agreement that massive settlement of the coast of Canaan by sea peoples from Crete took place around 1200 B.C., there is no reason to suppose Philistine settlements did not exist long before this time. In Abram’s time as in the time of Moses a variety of peoples had settled in Canaan, including Hittites from the far north. Certainly the seagoing peoples who traded the Mediterranean had established colonies along the shores of the entire basin for centuries prior to Abraham’s time.

https://apologeticspress.org/philistines-in-the-time-of-abrahamfallacy-or-fact-671/

Also you still haven't produced empirical evidence that Palestinians "emanate from the seed of Satan" like you claimed. The bible isn't evidence. Prove satan and its seed even exist. Then how do you observe your claims that people can emanate from them?

MayCaesar

One individual can be a member of multiple groups at the same time. Palestine is the general name for that region, and Israel is a part of that region. One can be simultaneously Jewish, Israelite and Palestinian, as per their nationality/religion, specific region of residence/origin, and general region of residence/origin. Assuming Jesus of Nazareth was a real and single individual, he was probably all three.

And when one starts digging even deeper, it turns out that most of these labels are quite loose and arbitrary. Unlike real biological entities such as gender, "nationality" appears to be more of a socially emergent entity. Humans have always been migrating, and no matter which individual you look at, chances are 10 levels up in their family tree one can find residents of hundreds of states and regions. Perhaps Jesus' granddad was from Nubia - what difference would it make?

Factfinder

@MayCaesar/@ZeusAres42

I think it's entirely possible a guy named Jesus who had a following was alive and was crucified around the time of Christ. Minus all the supernatural claims of course .But the sandy blond haired blue eyed person often portrayed in images is not likely to be an accurate depiction. The thing is we may never know as physical evidence is lacking. I do know however I won't loose any sleep over it!    

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder Palestine did not exist until a enemy of Israel provided the name as an insult to Israel's children.

Palestine Never Existed as a Nation or an actual people group.

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/palestine-the-nation-that-never-existed/

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder Palestine did not exist until a enemy of Israel provided the name as an insult to Israel's children.

Palestine Never Existed as a Nation or an actual people group.

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/palestine-the-nation-that-never-existed/

Fact is people did exist in the region. What were they called before an "enemy" named them?

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder The Philistines existed as an enemy of Israel, not Palestine.

Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

You're missing the point. Regions undergo lots of changes. But they do not cease to exist because of name changes. You made the false claim that Palestine didn't exist before Christ. You said Romans named it Palestine first and I've debunked that. Greeks did. Point being there was people there before the Jews even if Jews arrived soon after. And biblically, you do accept that Jews arrived after, correct? Hence the battle of Jericho? The "gateway" into the promised land according to your bible? Do you know that Stalingrad was called Volgograd? One city, two names, always continued to exist since its emergence despite what it's called. Palestine has existed all along. Granted not as a state or country. But what difference does that make at the end of the day?

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; There were no Palestinians....there is no true Palestine...it's a ruse.

Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

I see. Cause the bible says so?

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; History confirms same...and Jesus is Messiah and without Him, you will not enter the Kingdom.

Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

History confirms same...

Nope. Real historical research confirms the region existed before your bible did. And people were there before your bible said Abraham could have it.
Why do you think Palestine and Palestinians never existed contrary to evidence and facts that they did; but you believe your fairy god elf exist with no evidence what so ever?

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; Elohim gave the land of Israel to Abram via an unconditional covenant approximately 3900-years ago and that promise extended to Isaac and Jacob (Israel) and the Land of Israel has never been void a representative number of Jacob's children once fully occupied and the Land will remain in custody of Israel until the Earth is destroyed by fire.

Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

You realize that's the bible, not reality, right?

Putin

He was Rus.

RickeyHoltsclaw

Factfinder said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

You realize that's the bible, not reality, right?

The Bible contains the ONLY "reality" that is relevant for Time and Eternity....if you deny Scriptures, your "reality" will be annihilation.

21CenturyIconoclast

@just_sayin

just_sayin, 

YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE AGAIN IN RELATION TO MARY BEING FROM THE LINE OF DAVID, NOT!!!:  "You know you could have just did a quick Google search and found that Mary is said to descend on her father's side from the tribe of Judah, and on her mother's from the tribe of Levi.  That would make Jesus in the lineage of priest and king"

HEADS UP BIBLE FOOL!  You did not give any biblical backup to your perceived notion that you laughably brought forth, other than for me to do a “Google Search” to find out that the celestially impregnated mother Mary through INCEST of her son Jesus through his spirit, is allegedly from the tribe of Judah, of which SHE IS NOT!!!!!

++++++  MARY IS A LEVITE FOR DUMMIES LIKE "JUST_SAYIN!!!" ++++++:

ELIZABETH IS A COUSIN OF MARY:  “The angel speaking to Mary: “Look, even Elizabeth your cousin has conceived a son in her old age, and she who was called barren is in her sixth month.” (Luke 1:36)

COUSIN: a child of one's uncle or aunt, a person belonging to the same extended family, as per Elizabeth shown above to Mary!

Furthermore, Luke claims AGAIN that Mary was the “cousin” of Elizabeth, who he says was a descendant of Aaron the high priest:  “In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; his wife Elizabeth was also a descendant of Aaron.”  (Luke 1:5 ) 

Therefore shown above, Aaron "Paternally" is a LEVITE family member to Elizabeth and Mary!: “And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Moses, and he said, Is not Aaron the Levite thy brother? I know that he can speak well. And also, behold, he cometh forth to meet thee: and when he seeth thee, he will be glad in his heart.” (Exodus 4:14)

Therefore, the simple math of family shown above depicts Mary to be a LEVITE!  2+2=4!

1. HEADS UP AGAIN BIBLE FOOL! Nowhere in the third Gospel, or in the entire New Testament, is there a specific claim that the incestual Mother Mary was a descendant of the House of David, NONE!  On the contrary, Luke plainly asserts that it is Joseph who was from the House of David, and not Mary!

To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph,of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary.” (Luke 1:27)

2. Furthermore at your embarrassing expense, in Luke 2:4, the author writes that the reason it was necessary for Joseph and Mary to return to Bethlehem was because it was Joseph who was from the house of David, and not Mary! GET IT BIBLE FOOL?

“And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; because he was of the house and lineage of David.” (Luke 2:4)

3. The Tribal lineage is passed down through the human biological fathers LIKE YOU SAID, and not of their mothers like Mary, as explicitly shown in the following verse:

“And on the first day of the second month, they assembled the whole congregation together, who registered themselves by families, by their fathers’ houses, according to the number of names from twenty years old and upward, head by head.” (Numbers 1:18)

4. Therefore, don’t even try to purport that the comical and alleged Luke 3:23-38 lineage relates to Mary to King David through Judah, where the beginning of this verse specifically states: "Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,..." where this is Joseph's tribal linage, and not Mary's, GET IT?

Furthermore, Mary is not even mentioned in this lineage in Luke 3:23-38 in the first place because the linage relates to Fathers and not Mothers like Mary!  If the Bible writers wanted to prove without a doubt that Mary was from the linage of David, they would have written about this tribal fact, but they didn’t!  GET IT CONTINUED BIBLE FOOL?!

Therefore, your mythical Jesus replied in your behalf the following truth about your Bible ineptness: “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures" (Matthew 22:29). LOL!!!

CASE CLOSED AT YOUR CONTINUED EMBARRASSMENT IN FRONT OF THE MEMBERSHIP AGAIN!

NEXT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN AS DUMBFOUNDED OF THE BIBLE AS ....“JUST_SAYIN” .... ON THE TOPIC OF MARY BEING FROM THE LINE OF DAVID, WHICH SHE IS NOT AS SHOWN IN THIS POST, WILL BE ….?

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21CenturyIconoclast

@just_sayin


just_sayin, the equal runaway from biblical FACTS like "RickeyHoltsclaw" ........

THE MEMBERSHIP WANTS TO KNOW WHY YOU CONTINUE TO RUN AWAY from your serial killer Jesus as God in his creation narratives in the following link!: https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/177920/#Comment_177920

RUN ... "JUST_SAYIN," ...RUN, HURRY, RUN AWAY FROM YOUR BIBLE STUPIDITY AGAIN AS SHOWN ABOVE!



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