Is Criticizing Islam Islamophobic?

Putin

Judaism is a harmful religion.

JulesKorngold

Putin said:

Judaism is a harmful religion.

This is a debate about Islam.  Start your own debate about Judaism if you wish.  
Stop trolling this debate.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@JulesKorngold ;    Truth is not phobic.

Concerning the political/ideological/theological chasm existing between those who support the Nation of Israel and those who support Palestine/Gaza/HAMAS (Islam)…

For the Record concerning the current conflict between Israel v. Palestine (HAMAS), Lebanon (Hezbollah), Iran (their terrorist, Islamic proxies), Yemen (Houthis) and the political-ideological divide existing within the United States…KNOW YOUR ENEMY!

Concerning Islam,

The demonic root of Palestine’s HAMAS; Lebanon’s Hezbollah; Iran’s other terrorist proxies; Yemen’s Houthis, is the religious cult of Islam. Islam’s “Allah” is Satan masquerading as an angel of light via the Arabic moon god. Islam was founded by a 7th-Century nomadic demon-possessed pedophile murdering thief named Muhammad who plagiarized the Torah to construct the Quran. Islam is a demonic cult of death.

Islam’s root is the act of adultery between Abraham and Hagar producing the “wild ” of a man named Ishmael, the father of the Islmaelites, who are the progenitor of the false prophet, Muhammad. Islam is Satan’s presence within the Realm of Time and physics.

Concerning Allah’s (Satan’s) objectives,

Allah’s (Satan’s) objective is the complete annihilation of Israel’s children and the nullification of the unconditional property covenant Elohim entered into with Abraham (Genesis 12:1-3; Genesis 13:15) as the “Land of Israel” is essential eschatological real estate relevant to the introduction of the Messiah whose primary purpose for entering the Realm of Time was “to destroy the works of the Devil (Allah)” (1 John 3:8b) via a divine battle strategy known as the Gospel of Grace which was first pictured in Genesis 3:21 but ordained “before Time began” (2 Timothy 1:8-10).

Messiah’s purpose for entering the Realm of Time,

Messiah entered the Realm of Time due to an unfathomable angelic rebellion, a rebellion orchestrated by Satan-Allah, that manifest in the Kingdom of Elohim, a rebellion that necessitated a repository for that Kingdom War apart from the Kingdom which under girded the initiation of the Genesis Creation Narrative; this, as Elohim endeavors to restore order and peace to His Kingdom while simultaneously maintaining volitional love with His cherished angelic creation as He deals with the wiles of the Devil via selfless love and sacrifice via the Gospel.

Allah’s obsession with Israel,

Allah’s obsession with the children of Israel and the Land of Israel concerns Satan’s desire to make Elohim a concerning Elohim’s divine, sovereign, promises beginning with Genesis 3:15-21, continuing through Noah, Shem, Abraham; the Hebrew Tribes, Sinai, through Judah, through the prophets, through Messiah into the Age of Grace; the Crucifixion; the Gospel and Great Commission; the New Covenant Church; the Tribulation; the Millennial Kingdom; the judgment of Satan, the Beast, the False prophet, the fallen-rebellious angels/demons interned in Hell, forever; the Judgment of the Condemned intertwined with the purification of the Earth by fire; the creation of a New Heaven and a New Earth and ultimately the eternal placement of the New Jerusalem where the redeemed in Messiah will serve Him in resurrected bodies, forever.

Allah’s tactics,

Allah-Satan has pursued his goal of proving Elohim a through the failures and demonic compromise of the Adamic/Noahic generations resulting in the annihilation of humanity save eight; the failures of Israel’s children to honor Elohim’s covenants, their unbelief/rejection of Messiah, their unfaithfulness with Baal/Molech.

Allah-Satan sought to defile/deter the Messiah through demonic temptation and the horrors of Roman Crucifixion; Allah-Satan was integral to Herod’s slaughter of innocence to murder the Messiah; Allah-Satan assumed he had won victory at Golgotha; Allah-Satan inspired Titus-the 10th-Roman Legion’s destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD; Allah-Satan conspired with Hitler concerning “The Final Solution” and the Jewish Holocaust; Allah-Satan, through his demons, possesses the heart, soul, mind, of every Islamist whose obsessive-compulsive objective in life is the death of every Israeli man, woman and child and the custody of Israel’s property into the hands of Allah’s servants, a Land bordered by the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. Allah’s objective through Islam is the death of anyone who rejects the false prophet Muhammad and his demonic religion of Islam.

Spiritual-Political ramifications of Allah’s presence in Time and Politics, today…The United States…

As we witness the unfathomable rise and presence of antisemitism in the United States and around the World, understand that all we see in the conflict between Israel’s IDF and the armies of Islam is SPIRITUAL in nature; this conflict is nothing more than a physical manifestation of the ongoing Spiritual conflict between good v. evil, Elohim v. Satan.

Also, know that every man and woman who supports the armies of Islam, whether they be represented by Palestine – Jordan – Iran – Lebanon – Yemen or any other Nation – State throughout the World, these are servants of Satan. This is why those in the United States who march for Palestine supporting the terrorist organization of HAMAS and express fervent hatred for Israel; these, overwhelmingly belong to a Political Party that advocates for the murder of babies in the womb; the uncensored and undeterred expansion of sexual perversion throughout American society via LGBTQ objectives which specifically target America’s children and seek the destruction of the Biblical family unit (Allah loathes the Biblical family); this is why Marxism and Progressivism and Abortion and BLM and ANTIFA and DEI and reverse discrimination AKA Affirmative Action mandates, are worshiped like gods among those who identify with the Democrat-Progressive-Marxist-Secular Humanist Party of the United States; therefore, know your enemy.

You will know them by their fruits (Matthew 7:15-20). Elohim is victorious through Messiah Jesus (Revelation 5:5).

Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Do you hate Palestinians? Do you believe they can accept Christ?

Putin

@JulesKorngold
Triggered Jew?

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; Palestinians are overwhelmingly Islamic - Sunni and though they possess the free will to choose Jesus as Messiah, Satan is their deity via Allah and finding life and forgiveness of sin through faith in Messiah Jesus is NOT likely. Islam is my spiritual and physical enemy in Time and in Eternity....

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder ; Palestinians are overwhelmingly Islamic - Sunni and though they possess the free will to choose Jesus as Messiah, Satan is their deity via Allah and finding life and forgiveness of sin through faith in Messiah Jesus is NOT likely. Islam is my spiritual and physical enemy in Time and in Eternity....

You didn't answer my questions. Yes or no. Do you hate Palestinians? Do you believe they can accept Christ?

Barnardot

@JulesKorngold ;No, not inherently.

Whatever those last 2 words are supposed to be. 

But the right answer is Yes it is being exherently islamophobic when the criticism comes from a confessed hard core radical long nose Yid who openly makes exaggerated slagging crap on Debate sites about Muslims. 

Bogan

A "phobia" is "an irrational fear".   There is nothing irrational about being fearful of Islam.     Islam is the only religion that I know of where it is a religious duty for devotes to kill anybody who criticizes Islam.   Islam is the only religion which I know of which claims that people who turn away from Islam and embrace other religions, should be executed.     Islam is the only religion that i know of today which  claims that homosexuals should be executed.   Islam is the only religion today who's holy scriptures mandate the execution and mutilation of any non Muslim (excepting Christians and Jews) who refuses to convert to Islam.    Islam is the only religion that I know of which claims in it's holy scriptures that it should spread by war and terrorism.    

MayCaesar

I think that "Islamophobia" is a newspeak term aimed at suppressing the discussion and not describing any real phenomenon. I am familiar with this kind of terminology: in Russia criticizing the government, the culture, the Soviet Union or anything else specific to Russia gets you called a "Russophobe", regardless of whether the criticism is on point or not. Similarly, people nowadays call each other "Nazis" when they do not want to engage with an argument, but still want to "win" the exchange.

There are certainly people who make hasty generalizations, saying things like, "No Muslim should step his foot in my country". Yet Islam, just like any other religion (and even more so, given its explicitly militant origin), is problematic on many levels, and it seems to me that the good Muslims are the ones following its tenets the least. If someone just prays 5 times a day and observes Ramadan, plus reads Quran every now and then, otherwise not engaging with the religion, then she can be a very cool person. Someone taking it seriously, going to a mosque and listening to Middle-Eastern religious authorities - now that should make one a little uneasy.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; I don't "hate" Palestinians but I don't want them as my neighbor or a fellow citizen; apparently, neither does any Nation or people group in the Middle East. If a Palestinian humbly approaches Jesus with repentance and faith-belief in Him as Messiah, they too are welcomed into the Kingdom.

Bogan

What MayCaeser seems to be alluding to, is the myth of the “moderate Muslim.” 

 I remember the world reacting in horror to the sentence of death imposed by a Nigerian court on Amina Lawal.     If ever there was an opportunity for these mythical “moderate” Muslims  to show where they stood on this barbarous aspect of Sharia Law, then that was it.    One would have expected tens of millions of “moderate” Muslims to condemn the judgement as barbaric and cruel, and not worthy of Islam.    What did we hear from these mythical “moderate” Muslims?    A deafening silence.

  Muslims believe in Sharia Law because it is written in the Koran, and they believe that the Koran is the literal word of God.    That is why they will never criticise it.     For anyone to even think that such people have any place in a modern society beggars belief.    These people are a danger to you and they are a danger to me.       Since when did “moderate” Muslims stop believing in Sharia Law?     And in when did they start believing in the separation of Church and state?    When did they stop believing that apostates should be murdered?    If there are any "moderate Muslims" then they had better publicly renounce the concept of Jihad.

 Islam is the most aggressive social force and ideology in the world today. Its adherents are a constant menace to our social structure and individual safety.     The idea of the moderate Muslim is a canard, yet we hear this continually in the context of whatever latest outrage is perpetrated in Islam’s name.     The history of Islamic terrorism shows that the perpetrators came from every sphere of life; some were doctors, teachers, engineers, many university educated and seemingly well adjusted people who had supposedly assimilated with the values of Western society.     If even the 'best' and most educated of Islam can turn and commit atrocities, then how can you say there are any moderate Muslims?  Is a moderate Muslim simply a Muslim who has not yet terrorised? Is it fair to brand every Muslim with the potential to be a terrorist? If not, why not?     And how do you distinguish those who will from those who won't?     It is an impossible task; and for what?    What does Islam bring to the West?    What does it contribute? The only argument I hear is that the West is a pluralistic society and that tolerating Islam is a part of that. But that argument doesn't answer the question, because that is describing an attribute of the West which Islam is usurping in its declared quest to get rid of that tolerance and replace it with sharia.

In fact there is nothing Islam contributes to Western society.    It is a belligerent threat and it should be treated as such, and those who argue otherwise, like MayCaesar, should be condemned as the wooly headed ”useful fo-ols” that they are.

 It's worth considering the question as to why the majority Islamic societies are so backward and oppressive, if the majority of Moslems are "moderate".     On the subject of 'moderate' Muslims, you might be interested in this: in August 2007, the Turkish PM, Recept Erdogan, took umbrage at the term “moderate Muslim”, saying that such a description of Muslims is "very ugly"; and, "it is offensive and an insult to our religion".    He finished by saying, "There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that's that."      And he also stated that  “assimilation” is "a crime against Turkishness."

JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: Origin of the Word

The term “Islamophobia” was invented in the 1970s by Iranian theocrats, to do just this: prevent any criticism of Islam and to cast secularism itself as a form of bigotry.

RickeyHoltsclaw

Islam is evil...it is destructive just as atheism, secular humanism, are destructive. Islam is one of Satan's major religions...Islam will be eradicated in Judgement.

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw


Christianity is evil...it is destructive just as other primitive belief systems!

RUN RICKEY, HURRY, RUN AWAY FROM YOUR PRIMITIVE BRONZE AND IRON AGE BIBLE SHOWN IN THE IMAGE ABOVE ............ HURRY ........ GO INTO HIDING AGAIN! LOL!

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

Islam is evil...it is destructive just as atheism, secular humanism, are destructive. Islam is one of Satan's major religions...Islam will be eradicated in Judgement.

The irony of your words and those signs. Poor deluded tool. 

Barnardot

@JulesKorngold ;The term “Islamophobia” was invented in the 1970s by Iranian theocrats, to do just this: prevent any criticism of Islam and to cast secularism itself as a form of bigotry.

Your completely wrong. The word has been used for over a 100 years and brought into prominance by a French journalist. So it pays to do research rather than invent a story. Which high lights the fact that the Jews and the Muslims hate each others guts out of sheer ignorance and fear. That is why it is a phobia and quiet rightly so.

JulesKorngold

Sam Harris: While every religion has its fanatics, there is only one religion on Earth where even its mainstream members of the faith seek to impose their religious taboos on everyone else. There is only one religion that has made it unsafe for people to criticize it—or indeed, for its own members to leave it. Only Muslims routinely fear for their lives when they decide to leave their religion—and this is true, even in the West. If you doubt this, just read some books or listen to some podcasts by ex-Muslims.

Bogan

The importation of Muslims into my country, Australia, has seen....

 

A very high rate of violent crime among Muslim men, especially in the areas of drug trafficking, firearms offences, welfare fraud, and the sexual assault of women.

 

 A high incidence of welfare dependency,

 

 Demands for social exclusion and exemptions from the common law.

 

Demands from "moderate" Muslim organisation for Sharia Law, and exemptions for Muslims from voting, as democracy is "against Islam."    A demand by the head of the “moderate Australian Islamic Council to the Prime Minister, Malcolm Turnbull, ” at a social event he hosted for Muslim leaders at Australia House, that homosexuals should be executed.    

 

Attacks on churches and synagogues.

 

Terrorism. 

 

 The phenomenon of “white flight” from areas of high Muslim infestation where ordinary Australians no longer feel safe.

"Diversity bollards" on city streets to prevent Muslim Jihadis from mowing down pedestrians with cars and trucks.  

 

 The refusal of many teachers (especially female teachers) to work in schools with high Muslim student numbers because of the violent and misogynistic behaviour of Muslim students and their parents. 

 

The provision of security guards in Sydney's public schools to protect staff and other students from violent Muslim boys.

 

Private school student numbers soaring as non Muslim parents in Muslim areas protect their kids (especially their daughters) by getting them away from public schools full of violent and misogynistic Muslims boys.

 

The refusal by Muslim drivers to allow blind people with seeing eye dogs, or passengers carrying alcohol, to enter their cabs.

 

The fortification of every vital government department with steel gates and security guards (who are usually Muslims anyway).

 

Passengers on domestic flights having their bags checked for bombs.

 

Girls in bikinis on Sydney beaches having to put up with mobs of young Muslim men wandering around the beaches making offensive remarks to them.

 

The "Muslim" suburb of Auburn in Sydney now the recognised wife beating capitol of Australia.

 

Specialized surgical teams in the hospitals in Muslim areas specializing in treating the complications and infections caused by female genital mutilation.  

 

A high incidence of genetic defects caused by Muslim families marrying their cousins, as well as the need to employ social workers to visit schools and women’s hospitals explaining to Muslim women why marrying their cousins is not a good idea.    

 

 The necessity for armed guards on Jewish schools.

 

The repeal of Freedom of Speech in Australia because former Attorney general Nicola Roxon was worried about Muslims killing someone over something that someone might have said about their violent religion.

 

Young females avoiding Muslim taxi drivers when they go out at night, because of the high incidences of Muslim Taxi drivers sexually assaulting or even raping young Australian women passengers. 

 

The gang rape of 70 Australian females in Sydney around the year 2000 by organised rape gangs composed of Lebanese and Pakistani Muslim men. 

Bogan

Hang on guys, I just remembered a few more.  

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews stating publically that "terrorism is part of contemporary Australia."

 

Australian citizens being shot down or knifed on streets and in coffee shops by "contemporary" Muslim terrorists.

 

 Australian soldiers, SES volunteers, ambulance personnel, and Fire Brigade officers advised to not wear their uniforms while not on duty, to minimise the risk of being attacked and even beheaded by "contemporary" Muslim terrorists. 

 

Public meetings of Muslim organisations enforcing gender segregation.

 

"Muslim only" days at public swimming pools enforcing gender segregation and racism against Australians within the Australian's own country.

500 "Australian" Muslims so far prevented from sneaking out of the country to go on jihad and fight for ISIS, with the "moderate" Islamic Council of Australia letting slip that "thousands more want to go".

 

Australia needing to change our own laws to allow the RAAF to drop bombs on "Australian" citizens fighting for ISIS in Iraq and Syria.

 

60 men in jail for terrorism offences, all of them Muslims.

 

 Machines in even regional airports which see right through passengers clothing in order to prevent Muslim terrorists with bombs in their underpants, or in Barbie dolls, from blowing airliners out of the sky.

 

Former Muslim Imam Sheik al Hilaly demanding "Muslim only" seats in the NSW state Parliament.

 

Armed guards outside of newspaper offices and Jewish schools.  

 

 Child brides, forced marriages, and "honour" killings.

 

 Ethnic crime so bad that the Australian Bureau of Statistics was ordered not to keep any records on ethnic crime in order to hide it's true extent from the public.      

Barnardot

@JulesKorngold ;There is only one religion that has......

Yeah sure and thats what all religions say about other religions. Every religion is wrong except theres and every religion threatens and is revolting except theres. Well just maybe they are all wrong and threatening and revolting. And if religious people want to keep arguing which religion is the most wrong and threatening and revolting then that just goes to show the appalling ignorance and arrogance of these people. 

Barnardot

@Bogan ;The gang rape of 70 Australian females in Sydney around the year 2000 by organised rape gangs composed of Lebanese and Pakistani Muslim men. 

And what about the much greater continuous rape and violonce and incarceration of people systematically caused white Christian immigrants over the past 100 years? Many of them were criminals to start with.

Barnardot

@Bogan ;Ethnic crime so bad that the Australian Bureau of Statistics was ordered not to keep any records on ethnic crime in order to hide it's true extent from the public.      

Well if you think its so bad as what you try to make out in an exaggerated and biased half brained way then why dont you get the f**k out of your Ossie Land and live on a dessert island where you will have no other people to insult and be offensive to and make up stories about.

JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: Do Some Research

@Barnardot
Read some books or listen to some podcasts by ex-Muslims.  Islam sucks.

Barnardot

@JulesKorngold ;Read some books or listen to some podcasts by ex-Muslims.  Islam sucks.

Read just one book or listen to a podcast by a reputable non radical ex-religious person. All religions suck.

And read just one more book or podcast by any reputable non radical. Any one who singles out one group as being the worst is ignorant arrogant biased radical and bigoted. Oh and phobic.

JulesKorngold

Argument Topic: Name Them

@Barnardot
Name religions other than Islam that kill apostates.  Do I have to define "apostate" for you?

Factfinder

JulesKorngold said:

@Barnardot
Name religions other than Islam that kill apostates.  Do I have to define "apostate" for you?

@JulesKorngold

That definitely is a sucky religious attitude I have to agree. Though christianity doesn't openly advocate such punishment for apostates the sentiment is the same. If you believe in Jesus, and the holy spirit who seals your heart for god permanently, then you don't, you go to hell. Even though that god promised you were sealed for heaven. Then there are individuals like ricky who eagerly await an opportunity to drive atheists, apostates, secularists , liberals...into the sea.

Bogan

JulesKorngold quote   Do I have to define "apostate" for you?

No.    But you will probably have to spell it for him.? 

Bogan

"According to statistics compiled by economic historian Angus Maddison and the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, between 1985 and 1998, average per capita income declined 10% in real terms in Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria, the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen. By contrast, it rose 30% in Israel, 50% in Uraguay, 90% in Chile and more than doubled in Thailand, Brazil, Vietnam, Mexico, and South Korea. "

21CenturyIconoclast

@Factfinder

FACTDENIER.

YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE AGAIN:  "Though christianity doesn't openly advocate such punishment for apostates the sentiment is the same."
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/178929/#Comment_178929

WRONG!  The primitive Bronze and Iron Age JUDEO-Christian bible of Christianity does punish apostates with death if you leave its religion as shown in the following verse:

"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them.  You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.  Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again." (Deuteronomy 13:6-11)

“EVERY word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“ (Proverbs 30:5)

Remember that I told you that I would correct your Bible ineptness because we can't have an Atheist be bible STU-PID in a Religion Forum, where I am sure you would agree.

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Factfinder

21CenturyIconoclast said:

@Factfinder

FACTDENIER.

YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE AGAIN:  "Though christianity doesn't openly advocate such punishment for apostates the sentiment is the same."
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/178929/#Comment_178929

WRONG!  The primitive Bronze and Iron Age JUDEO-Christian bible of Christianity does punish apostates with death if you leave its religion as shown in the following verse:

"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them.  You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.  Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again." (Deuteronomy 13:6-11)“EVERY word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“ (Proverbs 30:5)

Remember that I told you that I would correct your Bible ineptness because we can't have an Atheist be bible STU-PID in a Religion Forum, where I am sure you would agree.

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And you have egg on your face again. Didn't say the bible doesn't call for it. I said Christianity doesn't openly advocate it but the sentiment is there. Didn't I? 

Bogan

 Muslim population proportions and consequences.

 

2% regarded as largely peaceful and non threatening (US, Australia, Canada, Norway, Italy)

 2%-5%    begin to actively convert from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, particularly from jails and street gangs.   Extreme reluctance of the press to submit news items likely to offend Muslims.  (UK, Thailand, Denmark, Spain, Germany).   Increasing terrorism.     Increasing street crime usually involving Muslim perpetrators and non Muslim victims.    

 Above 5%,  insistence on major food chains and major take away food franchises stocking halal food       Insistence upon Muslim self governance within local Muslim  ghetto areas with Sharia law courts taking precedence over common law.    Assassinations of intellectuals who oppose Islam.    (Switzerland, France, Holland, the Philippines, Trinidad)

 10%     Increasing social strife and terrorism usually concerning the extreme self inflicted poverty within Muslim ghetto areas as an excuse.   Muslim areas become no go zones for non Muslims, including the police, postal workers, ambulance personnel, but strangely, not social workers dispensing generous welfare handouts.   Muslim patrols in "Muslim" areas enforcing Sharia.    Governments increasingly resort to concessions to placate their ever growing violent Muslim minority  (Guyana, Kenya, India, Sweden)

 20%    Routine hair trigger rioting over inconsequential issues resulting in deaths and destruction.  The formation of Jihad Muslim militias enforcing Sharia within Muslim areas.    Attacks on churches, temples and synagogues.    (Ethiopia)

 40%    Chronic terrorist attacks  and civil warfare involving Muslim militias .     Minor massacres.   (Bosnia, Chad, Lebanon)

 60%     The open persecution of all other religions.    Widespread massacres and  religious cleansing.   Insistence that non Muslims must comply with Sharia.   Jizya tax on infidels.     (Malaysia, Qutar, Sudan, Albania)

 80% routine and officially sanctioned (or tolerated) religious cleansing involving genocide, immigration through fear by non Muslims to other countries, or forced marriage of abducted young infidel females by Muslim men to attain 100% Muslim population    ( Bangladesh, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Morocco)

 100%    Islam is the only religion allowed.   Sharia the only law.    Religious "Madrass" schools the only schools.     Clerics as judges in Sharia courts.    Total economic dysfunction providing a need by Muslims to emigrate to an infidel country to repeat the process.

 

21CenturyIconoclast

@Factfinder FACTDENIER.YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE AGAIN:  "Though christianity doesn't openly advocate such punishment for apostates the sentiment is the same."https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/178929/#Comment_178929

WRONG!  The primitive Bronze and Iron Age JUDEO-Christian bible of Christianity does punish apostates with death if you leave its religion as shown in the following verse:"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying,

“Let us go and worship other gods” gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them.  You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.  Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again." (Deuteronomy 13:6-11)

Remember that I told you that I would correct your Bible ineptness because we can't have an Atheist be bible STU-PID in a Religion Forum, where I am sure you would agree..
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 FACTDENIER,

YOUR PATHETIC QUOTE IN GRASPING FOR STRAWS AGAIN:  "And you have egg on your face again. Didn't say the bible doesn't call for it. I said Christianity doesn't openly advocate it but the sentiment is there. Didn't I?"  

When you comically stated that "Didn't say the Bible doesn't call for it," where you didn't even know in the first place where the verse that I had shown does call for the punishment of apostates, and where you removed one foot to insert the other AGAIN when you said "Christianity doesn't openly advocate it," where you are WRONG AGAIN because Christianity's foundation is the JUDEO-Christian bible where said verse in question resides in the first place!  GET IT BIBLE FOOL? HUH?

Do not worry, I will continue to correct your total bible ineptness at all times so you won't continue to embarrass the other Atheists in this Religion Forum!



HERE IS AN APPROPRIATE IMAGE OF FACTFINDER, AKA, FACTDENIER, IN STEPPING IN THE PROVERBIAL POO AGAIN!






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MayCaesar

JulesKorngold said:

Sam Harris: While every religion has its fanatics, there is only one religion on Earth where even its mainstream members of the faith seek to impose their religious taboos on everyone else. There is only one religion that has made it unsafe for people to criticize it—or indeed, for its own members to leave it. Only Muslims routinely fear for their lives when they decide to leave their religion—and this is true, even in the West. If you doubt this, just read some books or listen to some podcasts by ex-Muslims.

What I find interesting is the cognitive dissonance of people who manage to both see Islam as a victimized religion, and advocate for feminism and social equality. When someone around them mentions Saudi Arabia or Iran, places where feminists get stoned to death and women are legally servants of men, the two conflicting ideas cause an explosion in their heads, and they suddenly forget the words they said a few seconds ago and switch to, "It is their culture, who are we to criticize it?" Does not stop them from criticizing Christian cultures, or Jewish cultures.

Some of them will say things like, "Women who wear burqa on the West do it voluntarily! It is their free self-expression!" Just how dishonest must you be to seriously suggest that? Yeah, I am sure on a hot summer day on a beach a beautiful woman wants nothing more than to wrap a black carpet around her entire body and face. And I am toooootally sure that if she does not, then, when she gets back home with her husband, he will smile at her and say, "I respect your choice, darling".

Factfinder

@21CenturyIconoclast

Nice pic of yourself. When did you leave mommy's basement. You should read the bible. Ever hear of it?

21CenturyIconoclast

@Factfinder

FACTDENIER,

YOUR SORROWFUL AND PITIFUL QUOTE SUBSEQUENT TO ME BIBLE SLAPPING YOU SILLY IN FRONT OF THE MEMBERSHIP AGAIN!: "Nice pic of yourself. When did you leave mommy's basement. You should read the bible. Ever hear of it?"
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/179060/#Comment_179060

That's it? No response to your outright BIBLE STU-PIDITY again as I have shown, other than your playground grade-school response shown above?!

Yes, we know that you are totally embarrassed again when I slapped more proverbial egg upon your face where you tried in vain to "weasel out of your laughable predicament" that you placed yourself within again as shown in this link in being so bible inept: 
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/179058/#Comment_179058

Don't you worry one iota, where I will continue to correct your outright bible dumbness at all costs, because the last thing we need to see is you as an Atheist in making so many mistakes relative to you referring to the JUDEO-Christian bible, and in turn, you give Atheism a bad name!  Tsk, tsk, tsk!


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Factfinder

21CenturyIconoclast said:

@Factfinder

FACTDENIER,

YOUR SORROWFUL AND PITIFUL QUOTE SUBSEQUENT TO ME BIBLE SLAPPING YOU SILLY IN FRONT OF THE MEMBERSHIP AGAIN!: "Nice pic of yourself. When did you leave mommy's basement. You should read the bible. Ever hear of it?"
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/179060/#Comment_179060

That's it? No response to your outright BIBLE STU-PIDITY again as I have shown, other than your playground grade-school response shown above?!

Yes, we know that you are totally embarrassed again when I slapped more proverbial egg upon your face where you tried in vain to "weasel out of your laughable predicament" that you placed yourself within again as shown in this link in being so bible inept: 
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/179058/#Comment_179058

Don't you worry one iota, where I will continue to correct your outright bible dumbness at all costs, because the last thing we need to see is you as an Atheist in making so many mistakes relative to you referring to the JUDEO-Christian bible, and in turn, you give Atheism a bad name!  Tsk, tsk, tsk!


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Pat you on the head, send you on your way.

Factfinder

21CenturyIconoclast said:

@Factfinder

FACTDENIER.

YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE AGAIN:  "Though christianity doesn't openly advocate such punishment for apostates the sentiment is the same."
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/178929/#Comment_178929

WRONG!  The primitive Bronze and Iron Age JUDEO-Christian bible of Christianity does punish apostates with death if you leave its religion as shown in the following verse:

"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them.  You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.  Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again." (Deuteronomy 13:6-11)“EVERY word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“ (Proverbs 30:5)

Remember that I told you that I would correct your Bible ineptness because we can't have an Atheist be bible STU-PID in a Religion Forum, where I am sure you would agree.

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21clownreligious nut, I ordered you to learn how to read and comprehend. Why do you run from that task and embarrass yourself so? An atheist erroneously proud of his weak bible knowledge, what nutter.

Listen up dummy because I won't respond to you again till you gets some brains and learn context. You know how well I know the bible. You should have come to me and I would have helped find verses that actually do address apostates themselves. As it is now you haven't improved your single digit iq since the last arse whooping I gave you. The verses you chose have nothing to do with apostates themselves; they are instructions on what to do with people who attempt to lead people into an apostate mind. Got it? No? Have mommy explain it.

(Deuteronomy 13:1-11) If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,

2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

4 Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

Bogan

Bogan

Barnardot

@Bogan Well that sound pretty neat having a Muslim Patrol. May be in Ossie land they should have a Bogan Patrol to stop half brain psycho Bogans going to malls and killing people just for fun.