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Why did Elohim create the Heavens and the Earth?

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Why did God create the whole Universe? (Question posited in theological forum)

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The entirety of the Universe and our genome was created in direct response to an unfathomable rebellion that manifest in the Kingdom of God before the creation of Time. This rebellion was of such magnitude and destruction that God the Father extricated the participants warring against Him and ultimately placed them upon this Earth partially constrained by Time and physics; the Earth having been created for cause with rapidity for the sole purpose of removing evil from the Kingdom where nothing impure is permitted to exist (Revelation 21:27).

Our entire creation and our individual lives are focused on ONE primary objective, we are participants in a cosmic struggle between good v. evil and the Son of God entered Time specifically “to destroy the works of the Devil” (1 John 3:8b) via the Gospel of Jesus Christ ordained “before the beginning of Time” (2 Timothy 1:9-10; Genesis 3:21). God the Father is presently demonstrating to the faithful angelic creation the horrors of sin and disobedience, a scenario that has been playing-out for 6020-years thus far. All of human suffering, death, are the resultant of evil introduced first by God’s nemesis, Satan, and the angels that followed Satan in the rebellion.

Subsequent to the Millennial Reign of Messiah where absolute peace will manifest upon the Earth while Satan is bound for 1000-years and then released, this unique Kingdom ruled by Jesus Christ will finally convince the faithful angelic creation that indeed their former boss, Satan, is the culprit for all sin and suffering and these angels will concur with the Father that His extrication of Satan and the fallen angels (Luke 10:18; Revelation 12) was just and holy and these faithful angels will concur with the Father that Satan does indeed deserve eternal torment in Hell forever and ever (Revelation 20:10). Hell having been created specifically for Satan and the fallen angels (Matthew 25:41).

Human kind is the byproduct of the Gospel dealing with sin and evil having been introduced into the Kingdom of God and in God’s mercy for having created us as participants in this cosmic war, God has demonstrated His perfect LOVE and compassion by giving Himself as a blood sacrifice through selfless love and suffering for a rebellious and stubborn people yet God is faithful and Holy and the faithful angels look-on with amazement at what their God has done and they are reassured that He is worthy of all praise and worship and servitude as there is no One greater. In all of this, God will have been successful in maintaining volitional love with His faithful angelic creation that He absolutely adores while simultaneously destroying the works of the Evil One through His own selfless LOVE.

The One who successfully destroyed the works of the Devil (death, Hell, the grave) through the Crucifixion (Genesis 3:15; 1 John 3:8b), Jesus Christ our Lord, is presently preparing a New Kingdom (the New Jerusalem) (John 14:3) and in a most unique turn of events, God will live among His created beings in a resurrected body and those who have loved God in Jesus Christ and served Him faithfully by grace through faith in what He has done for mankind within the Realm of Time, these faithful will serve the Living God in resurrected, redeemed, bodies in a New Kingdom on a New Earth having been purified by fire within a New Heaven, FOREVER.


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  • FactfinderFactfinder 894 Pts   -  
    @RickeyHoltsclaw

     Millennial Reign of Messiah where absolute peace will manifest upon the Earth while Satan is bound for 1000-years and then released

    What is the purpose of the millennial reign? Surely god being what he is doesn't need 1000 years to make a point. It can do anything in an instant according to your book. Everything and everyone else would be the as it desired, appreciative and willfully submissive without the need for 1000 years. So why?
  • RickeyHoltsclawRickeyHoltsclaw 175 Pts   -  
    @Factfinder ; Subsequent the previous 6000-years of horror, death, suffering, war, pestilence, all of which has been inspired and under girded by the works of the Devil, Elohim will provide a sharp and undeniable contrast to this living Hell during the Millennial Kingdom; that is, Elohim will finally and convincingly demonstrate to His angelic creation the unrighteous works of their former boss, Satan.

    At the end of the Tribulation, the enemies of Israel will have been destroyed in a nuclear conflict that will manifest between the major players of Russia-China-Islam/Iran who will come against Jerusalem, Israel seeking total annihilation. Messiah Jesus will return to Mount Olivet, Jesus will be victorious over these enemies of Israel and subsequently, Jesus will establish the Kingdom denied Him at His first-Advent.

    Satan and the rebellious angels will be subdued and confined for 1000-years and total peace will reign upon the Earth. At the end of the Millennial Kingdom, Satan will be released and war against Jesus/Elohim will immediately commence as Satan, once again, deceives the Nations but this time the Father will destroy these enemies by FIRE; hence, the undeniable comparison/contrast that will ultimately convince the faithful angelic creation of the horrors completely and totally inspired by Satan, a defiled cherub angel, and this contrast will act as bulwark against future rebellion in the Kingdom where free will remains extant by necessity; also, the faithful angelic creation will wholeheartedly concur with Elohim that Satan and the fallen angels do deserve punishment in Hell, forever (Rev. 20:10).


  • FactfinderFactfinder 894 Pts   -  
    @RickeyHoltsclaw

    Doesn't explain why for any of it. It could just snap it's fingers and everything would be as the final goal it's working towards. The only reason for suffering is you serve a sadistic god.
  • RickeyHoltsclawRickeyHoltsclaw 175 Pts   -  
    @Factfinder ; Again, Elohim desires intimacy, relationship, love, eternally with both His angelic and human creation...in order for this desire to come to fruition with meaning and substance, both parties must possess the free will to chose that relationship or deny same...this love and intimacy cannot manifest with a snap of the fingers.


  • FactfinderFactfinder 894 Pts   -  
    @RickeyHoltsclaw

    .this love and intimacy cannot manifest with a snap of the fingers.

    Why not? Your fairytale elf book claims all things are possible...

    Matthew 19:26 ...  but with God all things are possible.”
    Joeseph
  • RickeyHoltsclawRickeyHoltsclaw 175 Pts   -   edited May 9
    Elohim created the Heavens and the Earth as a temporary repository for the war between Satan and Elohim that is playing- out before our eyes today...this present Earth and Heaven will be destroyed by fire and replaced by a New Heaven and a New Earth upon which the New Jerusalem will reside and be home to the redeemed in Jesus who will serve Jesus in resurrected bodies, forever. Glory and Power to the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, Jesus our Messiah and King and Victor.


  • FactfinderFactfinder 894 Pts   -  
    @RickeyHoltsclaw

    Elohim created the Heavens and the Earth as a temporary repository for the war between Satan and Elohim that is playing- out before our eyes today.

    Cause god is restricted in how and what it can and can't do? How can 'war' be possible when your elf book clearly reveals god is in complete control, and is the architect of all that unfolds? No one asked to be put into a situation where they suffer horribly forever if they don't want to sing 'the lord forever' in heaven so it can't be to let freewill play out. So logically it has to be that god can not create a perfect society without the sadistic torture of those who refuse it's friendship because man hasn't imagined a way yet to claim that while explaining the eternal horror show their fairytale elf god created.
    Joeseph
  • RickeyHoltsclawRickeyHoltsclaw 175 Pts   -  
    Elohim created the Heavens and the Earth in order to remove the coup that had manifest in the Kingdom by the god of the atheist, Satan. Satan was summarily extricated and he is now the god of all who reject Jesus as Messiah.


  • FactfinderFactfinder 894 Pts   -  
    @RickeyHoltsclaw

    Elohim created the Heavens and the Earth in order to remove the coup that had manifest in the Kingdom by the god of the atheist, Satan. Satan was summarily extricated and he is now the god of all who reject Jesus as Messiah.

    Wrong again. Your god could just snap its fingers and do that according to your bible. Matthew "all things are possible with god"  So no the only logical reason your elf god did this was to demonstrate how dumb its followers are willing to be and to congratulate atheists for not falling for it.
  • JoesephJoeseph 732 Pts   -  
    @Factfinder

    I doubt Ricky even owns a bible

  • RickeyHoltsclawRickeyHoltsclaw 175 Pts   -  
    @Joeseph ;  What would know about the Scriptures, you're an atheist dying in Hell?
  • JoesephJoeseph 732 Pts   -   edited May 10
    @RickeyHoltsclaw

    What would know about the Scriptures, you're an atheist dying in Hell?


    Rickets wife's guest appearance in the" good book" .........

    New International Version
    There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.........



    I'm an expert on the bible which is why you and just sayin run a mile when it comes to debating biblical slavery ........hey your hog of a wife is mentioned in the good book ". .. remember the part where the whore lusted after the genitals of a Donkey?  ......you no doubt identified as a Donkey in that verse not for your genitals but your intellect.
  • RickeyHoltsclawRickeyHoltsclaw 175 Pts   -  
    @Joeseph ; You obviously know nothing of truth concerning the Scriptures....you're a spiritually ignorant atheist...that is obvious.


  • JoesephJoeseph 732 Pts   -  
    @RickeyHoltsclaw

    You obviously know nothing of truth concerning the Scriptures

    You mean the " truth" of owing people as property as laid down by God? You know that topic you and just sayin run from?


    ....you're a spiritually ignorant atheist...that is obvious.

    No , what's obvious is you're an ignorant rube with the brains of a Donkey
  • RickeyHoltsclawRickeyHoltsclaw 175 Pts   -   edited May 10
    @Joeseph ;  Yet you can't debate the "donkey" with substance thereby substantiating the truth that you are a dumb-a-s-s. LOL

  • JoesephJoeseph 732 Pts   -   edited May 10
    @RickeyHoltsclaw




    ARGUMENT TOPIC : A LITTLE TEST FOR PRETEND CHRISTIAN AND BIBLE DUNCE RICKETS .....





    Yet you can't debate the "donkey" with substance

    Which is why you and your buddy just sayin are still, running from the biblical slavery debate.



    e thereby substantiating the truth that you are a dumb-a-s-s. LOL

    I think I've hit a nerve Rickets is upset as his wife Miss piggy is getting c-ck elsewhere 

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  • RickeyHoltsclawRickeyHoltsclaw 175 Pts   -  
    @Joeseph ; The Scriptures have no problems with these things; apparently, you do as you serve Satan in spiritual ignorance. Slavery is an institution that has existed subsequent Adam...it exists today...you are a slave to your sin and your aberrant lust...nothing has changed...Jesus offers you "freedom" from your self-loathing and aberrant affections but you refuse to accept Him and trust in Him; therefore, you continue to wallow in your own atheistic filth.




  • JoesephJoeseph 732 Pts   -  
    @RickeyHoltsclaw


    The Scriptures have no problems with these things;

    I know , I keep telling you your god has no problem with genocide , rape and slavery but has a problem with the eating of lobster.

     apparently, you do as you serve Satan in spiritual ignorance.

    Yes , call me old fashioned but I do have a problem with rape , slavery , genocide but not lobster.


    Slavery is an institution that has existed subsequent Adam...it exists today.

    Yes as approved by your god.


    ..you are a slave to your sin and your aberrant lust

    There is no such thing as sin , don't confuse me with your wife and her lusting after Donkeys genitals 


    ...nothing has changed...Jesus offers you "freedom" from your self-loathing and aberrant affections but you refuse to accept Him and trust in Him;

    But I love myself , Jesus needs to learn a bit of basic morality , no one likes rapists , slavers or genocidal maniacs except Jesus and you it seems

    therefore, you continue to wallow in your own atheistic filth

    You're talking about your wife again as she takes yet another spit roasting to pay your booze bill 

  • FactfinderFactfinder 894 Pts   -  
    Joeseph said:
    @RickeyHoltsclaw




    ARGUMENT TOPIC : A LITTLE TEST FOR PRETEND CHRISTIAN AND BIBLE DUNCE RICKETS .....





    Yet you can't debate the "donkey" with substance

    Which is why you and your buddy just sayin are still, running from the biblical slavery debate.



    e thereby substantiating the truth that you are a dumb-a-s-s. LOL

    I think I've hit a nerve Rickets is upset as his wife Miss piggy is getting c-ck elsewhere 

    Cool meme. Knowing the true nature of ricky's god I'd say the lobster in a no brainer. LOL
    Joeseph
  • RickeyHoltsclawRickeyHoltsclaw 175 Pts   -  
    @Joeseph ; The Scriptures articulate the who, what, where, when, why, how, concerning your existence in Time and the eschatological purpose for same but you've chosen to "exist" as a "useful id-iot" of Satan...without knowledge and without hope...this is YOUR volitional option...enjoy Hell. Without Jesus as your Messiah, you have no hope.


  • JoesephJoeseph 732 Pts   -  
    @RickeyHoltsclaw

    Go ahead and rape away plan genocides and buy slaves but don't you dare eat lobster as its pisses off the celestial  dictator .......no wonder Christianity attracts imbeciles.
  • RickeyHoltsclawRickeyHoltsclaw 175 Pts   -  
    @Joeseph ; I have read and studied and understand that the Scriptures hold nothing back but lay bare the realities of life and the complexities of human nature controlled by a sin-nature (Romans 5:12). You see the Scriptures as a book of horror because this placates your seared conscience and your path to Hell but I see the Scriptures as Truth and LIFE and HOPE and JOY...eternally. Enjoy your nihilism and your servitude to death in Satan as his fo-ol.


  • JoesephJoeseph 732 Pts   -  
  • RickeyHoltsclawRickeyHoltsclaw 175 Pts   -  
    @Joeseph ; You have chosen to be a vulgar and perverse human being...that is your option due free will.
    You're not the first and you won't be the last who mock their Creator.

    Y


  • JoesephJoeseph 732 Pts   -  
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  • FactfinderFactfinder 894 Pts   -  
    @RickeyHoltsclaw

    You have chosen to be a vulgar and perverse human being...that is your option due free will.
    You're not the first and you won't be the last who mock their Creator.

    Who really mocks their creator? I've never seen an atheist call nature "nothing" like theist do all the while they exalt "nothing" (tangible that is) as their mythical fairy elf god like you do. Then you say it's too weak and can't create perfection without horror and suffering. Tad bit hypocritical you.
  • RickeyHoltsclawRickeyHoltsclaw 175 Pts   -   edited May 11
    Elohim created the temporary Heavens and the temporary Earth as a battle ground for the spiritual war between good v. evil. The atheist has allied with Satan; therefore, the atheist will suffer a fate similar to that of their god, Satan.


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