Atheism - Secular Humanism - Progressivism - an absence of commonsense?

Factfinder

Atheism is not religious at all and is unbelief at it's philosophical core. As the more intelligent has taught you on this board so you fib to bolster you're own faith. 

Factfinder

LOL Christianity doesn't exclude gays ricky...https://time.com/2842044/gay-christians/

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; Christianity does EXCLUDE the queer lest they repent of the vile conduct and turn to Jesus as Messiah.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; Atheism is a religion for fools, sexual perverts, baby murderers, Marxists - Progressives - Democrats, the mentally and spiritually ill.

jack

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

Atheism - Secular Humanism - Progressivism - an absence of commonsense?

Hello Rickey:

Well, it's like I was telling my friend just_sayin, commonsense tells ME what proper behavior is.  I don't need to be told.  What?  You do??  Were you told to hate people who didn't believe as you do??  Or is that just common sense?? 

excon

RickeyHoltsclaw

@jack ;  If you're liberal-democrat-progressive-LGBTQ fanatic-abortionist-marxist....you are evil personally or by vote or association.....it's not that you have to believe as me...but that you not be destructive, vile, nasty, vulgar, repulsive and expect those of us you respect our Creator and His moral mandates accept your vile idio-cy or that you not attempt to force your perversion and death upon our society.

Bogan

Dear Rickey.      All human beings everywhere once believed in gods as a way of explaining how the universe and life came to exist.     But most people now believe that the universe was always here and always will be be.    It never needed a "creator", it just exists.     If you think that some God or rather created everything then please believe in your fairytale.   But do not condemn others who think differently.   Atheism is just the idea that a supernatural world does not exist.   It is not an evil concept at all.   Of course, religion has ben handy at keeping people on the straight and narrow but it never had a monopoly on morality because Gods do not exist and every law that ever existed was man made.     This means that religion can no longer be used to define what is right or wrong behaviour, and so there are deviant people who therefore think that anything goes.     But this does not detract from the fact that all laws are man made and they are usually enacted for the common good, although those in power usually frame them to benefit themselves primarily.      So, please get off your high horse and stop claiming that atheists are somehow evil.    The history of most religions was written in blood, so religious people have no moral authority to preach to those who reject religious absolutism.                      

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Bogan ; Atheism is a religion of fools, sexual perverts, baby mutilation advocates, Marxists, Progressives, Democrats and anyone possessing at least a modicum of commonsense knows that the World has not always existed due the second law of thermodynamics and atrophy....and atheists are just stup-id people that the World must tolerate until our Creator does away with them, permanently subsequent Judgment. 

 

Bogan

It is also the belief system of people who think straight, Ricky.      The reason why the western world became the dominant culture in the world is because we stopped thinking that natural events were caused by a god, and started thinking about natural reasons why everything is so.        If the western world had not done so 400 years ago with the creation of the Royal Society in London, it is conceivable that either another culture composed of intelligent people would have beaten us, or that the hole of humanity would still be living in a backward medieval state like the Muslims today.      

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Bogan ; No...the reason the western world has declined into an immoral mass of atheistic idio-ts is the fact people stopped thinking and began "feeling" through emotions and perverted desires of the base-nature while rejecting the morality and ethics and mores and norms provided by our Creator that are sustainable and good and holy and respectable. Atheists-secular humanists are stup-id, dangerous, foolish, perverted, people...they are a metastasizing malignancy on the butt of any society seeking sustainability. 

 

Bogan

@RickeyHoltsclaw

I used to think that religious people were stu-pid too, Ricky.      But as I got older I realised that I was wrong.     There are many very intelligent religious people, just as there are many intelligent non religious people.     My present theory is that the two groups of people just have their brains wired differently.         I think that is a more Christian and tolerant attitude than yours.   As Jesus said about the good Samaritan, "just because a man is of another religion, it dos not make him a bad person."    

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Bogan ; The good Samaritan was a good person irrespective of religion, irrelevant to the conversation. When I discuss atheists, progressives, democrats, Marxists, LGBTQ perverts, abortionists, these are EVIL people at their core...these are those who murder babies in the womb and fight and clamor and demonstrate for the perceived "right" to mutilate babies at ANY point of gestation; these are the people who fight and clamor and pollute our society with the most vile of sexual perversion and then mandate their mental and spiritual illness be forced upon our children in public schools; sick and perverse trans drag queens humping in the face of children and demanding the chant their demonic lyrics, these arrogant sexual demons force their demonic culture upon our families, our weak church congregations and administrations....these are Marxists who hate America, our freedoms, they hate Israel and advocate for Islamic terrorism and terrorists...the atheist - secular humanist - democrat - progressive are a vile and demonic people who do NOT deserve the goodness America offers nor are they worthy of the sacrifices made by our fallen in battle.

Bogan

.@RickeyHoltsclaw

Ricky quote   When I discuss atheists, progressives, democrats, Marxists, LGBTQ perverts, abortionists, these are EVIL people at their core..     We;;

Well, I am an atheist and I am not evil at all.      Although, You may have a point with Democrats, Marxists. and LGBTQ perverts, though. 

Ricky quote    The good Samaritan was a good person irrespective of religion, irrelevant to the conversation.

It is not irrelevant to the conversation at all.      Just because another person does not share your belief system, that does not make them evil. 

Ricky quote    abortionists      It has always puzzled many people how the USA, alone among all other western countries, remained so religious?      Most European descend countries are have nowhere near the commitment to Christianity that the people in the USA have.       But anyhoo, here in Australia about the only Christian religion which I know of which is still banging on about abortion is the Catholic Church.     To the best of my knowledge, all other Christian denominations in Australia accept early term abortion as a fact of life.        For Christian churches in Australia to start jumping up and down about abortion would be considered by the Australian public, as the churches trying to reinstitute no contraceptives, and no divorce.     It just ain't gunna happen.   That does not mean that Australian Christians are evil.   

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Bogan ;  The United States was founded upon Christian-Biblical edicts, norms, mores, values, and cannot be sustained unless the majority possesses a heart redeemed by faith in Jesus and controlled by the indwelling Holy Spirit to pursue righteousness, goodness, love of neighbor and love of Country. There is no place in America for the demonic ideology of atheism, secular humanism...these are destructive and anti-America at their core.

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Bogan ; The good Samaritan was a good person irrespective of religion, irrelevant to the conversation. When I discuss atheists, progressives, democrats, Marxists, LGBTQ perverts, abortionists, these are EVIL people at their core...these are those who murder babies in the womb and fight and clamor and demonstrate for the perceived "right" to mutilate babies at ANY point of gestation; these are the people who fight and clamor and pollute our society with the most vile of sexual perversion and then mandate their mental and spiritual illness be forced upon our children in public schools; sick and perverse trans drag queens humping in the face of children and demanding the chant their demonic lyrics, these arrogant sexual demons force their demonic culture upon our families, our weak church congregations and administrations....these are Marxists who hate America, our freedoms, they hate Israel and advocate for Islamic terrorism and terrorists...the atheist - secular humanist - democrat - progressive are a vile and demonic people who do NOT deserve the goodness America offers nor are they worthy of the sacrifices made by our fallen in battle.

You know the wizard of oz isn't real right? Just like the Jewish zombie carpenter, they're both fables. Also you know your bible advocates abortion and hypocrite Christians sneak off to abortion clinics all the time. 

https://www.focusonthefamily.com/pro-life/abortion/survey-women-go-silently-from-church-to-abortion-clinic/

Many women with unexpected pregnancies go silently from the church pew to the abortion clinic, convinced the church would gossip rather than help, a study shows. More than four in 10 women who have had an abortion were churchgoers when they ended a pregnancy, researchers found in a survey sponsored by Care Net, a nonprofit organization supporting more than 1,100 pregnancy centers across North America.

Now I know according to your dumb beliefs you think the voices in your head are telling you, you are the only one who's a true Christian and understands the bible though there is no evidence you've even read it; but every time I post truth your silly faith gets offended cause you're afraid of being sent to a make believe place. "Focus on the Family" is well respected in Christian circles ricky incase you try to trash them. Christians kill babies today because your imaginary friend commands it if you truly worship it in complete stupidity as it requires of you, and you ricky happily obey. Like when you admitted molesting little girls in Houston cause they came from a certain part of town you deemed 'atheist' and didn't think you should use discernment on the 'turds' as you called them. Sick people, you Christians.

Non Christians primarily founded this country cause they didn't want the evils of religion to destroy the 'new world'. Most publically avowed to Deism so they could be heard and respected without following the the tenets of Christianity as they knew even in the dark ages that was over the top. Washington, Jefferson, and Madison to name a few who resented Christianity and government involvement in religion. So it's far more accurate to say atheists to the Christian god created this country, the American way and all that is good while Christianity was busy burning 'witches' they raped to keep them from talking.  


https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-founding-fathers-religious-wisdom/

This notion—that our country’s roots are explicitly Christian—is both foolish and wrong.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; Elohim is a Warrior...you will find this as reality at your judgment.

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder ; Elohim is a Warrior...you will find this as reality at your judgment.

Stoopid.

Bogan

@RickeyHoltsclaw ;     The United States was founded upon Christian-Biblical edicts, norms, mores, values, and cannot be sustained unless the majority possesses a heart redeemed by faith in Jesus and controlled by the indwelling Holy Spirit to pursue righteousness, goodness, love of neighbor and love of Country. There is no place in America for the demonic ideology of atheism, secular humanism...these are destructive and anti-America at their core.

Completely wrong, Ricky.      400 years ago, every civilisation was at roughly the same level of development.     Some were ahead or behind in some aspects, but their social and technological development was roughly the same.     The reason why the western world rocketed ahead of every other civilisation was because we in the west stopped thinking that some god was responsible for everything, and we started to look for natural reasons why the world is as it is.     When we discovered that the natural laws of nature and mathematics pretty well explained everything, we began to utilize this knowledge for the good of ourselves, and eventually the whole of humankind.     If we had allowed our minds to be chained to religion we would still be thinking that the earth is the center of the universe and that the world is flat.       The reason why the Islamic world is so backward compared to the west is because they still think like you do.    They think that all they have to do is to be faithful to their non existent God and He will bestow his holy grace upon them, just like He did when the Muslims pretty well ruled the world.     The reason why the Islamic world has had a fundamentalist Muslim revival is because the dumb bastards really do believe that the reason why the Islamic world is so broke is because they are not religious enough.   

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Bogan ; Without Christianity, America would have never been founded let alone sustained. Without Jesus as King...America would never have been established as Elohim established the United States as people group who would fulfill the Great Commission rejected by Israel's children...Jesus and eschatology are the only reason America exists. When vile and demonic atheists, secular humanists, infiltrated America's government, the Nation began to die.

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Bogan ; Without Christianity, America would have never been founded let alone sustained. Without Jesus as King...America would never have been established as Elohim established the United States as people group who would fulfill the Great Commission rejected by Israel's children...Jesus and eschatology are the only reason America exists. When vile and demonic atheists, secular humanists, infiltrated America's government, the Nation began to die.

 Without  Atheism, America would have never been founded let alone sustained. Without logic and reason...America would never have been established as rationality established the United States as people group who would fulfill the peace and the American way rejected by Christian looney birds...Facts and reality are the only reason America exists. When vile and demonic Christians, cult leaders, infiltrated America's government, the Nation began to die.

just_sayin

@Factfinder
Without  Atheism, America would have never been founded let alone sustained. Without logic and reason...America would never have been established as rationality established the United States as people group who would fulfill the peace and the American way rejected by Christian looney birds...Facts and reality are the only reason America exists. When vile and demonic Christians, cult leaders, infiltrated America's government, the Nation began to die.

All 13 of the original colonies charters state explicitly that they were founded for God, most specifically say for Christianity.  In almost all, it might be all 13, to be a government official you had to be a Christian and pledge to uphold the Christian faith.  Two thirds of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were clergy.  John Adams and Jefferson were both president of the National Bible Association.  Washington said that the US government could not rightly function without God or the Bible.  Jefferson attended Sunday church services in the Capital building which where he had the federal government pay the minister (this was 2 days after his famous letter to the Danbury Baptists).  Jefferson ordered missionaries to go to the Indians and paid the missionaries with federal funds.  Jefferson had Bibles printed by the Federal government to give to the Indians to convert them to Christianity.  The first act of the Continental Congress was a 4 hour prayer meeting - which was the suggestion of Ben Franklin.  Both Jefferson and Franklin, often considered to be 2 of the least religious founding fathers, both wanted Bible stories to be the official seal of the US.  

You can verify this at the Library of Congress' Faith of Our Father's Exhibit.  

It must be hard to go on with your life after losing someone so close to you.  Praying for you.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; Atheism is the unwashed armpit of humanity, America cannot be sustained by godless demons at the helm.

Factfinder

just_sayin said:

@Factfinder
Without  Atheism, America would have never been founded let alone sustained. Without logic and reason...America would never have been established as rationality established the United States as people group who would fulfill the peace and the American way rejected by Christian looney birds...Facts and reality are the only reason America exists. When vile and demonic Christians, cult leaders, infiltrated America's government, the Nation began to die.

All 13 of the original colonies charters state explicitly that they were founded for God, most specifically say for Christianity.  In almost all, it might be all 13, to be a government official you had to be a Christian and pledge to uphold the Christian faith.  Two thirds of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were clergy.  John Adams and Jefferson were both president of the National Bible Association.  Washington said that the US government could not rightly function without God or the Bible.  Jefferson attended Sunday church services in the Capital building which where he had the federal government pay the minister (this was 2 days after his famous letter to the Danbury Baptists).  Jefferson ordered missionaries to go to the Indians and paid the missionaries with federal funds.  Jefferson had Bibles printed by the Federal government to give to the Indians to convert them to Christianity.  The first act of the Continental Congress was a 4 hour prayer meeting - which was the suggestion of Ben Franklin.  Both Jefferson and Franklin, often considered to be 2 of the least religious founding fathers, both wanted Bible stories to be the official seal of the US.  

You can verify this at the Library of Congress' Faith of Our Father's Exhibit.  

It must be hard to go on with your life after losing someone so close to you.  Praying for you.

The period surrounding the revolutionary war was very volatile and staunch opinions were tossed about like candy wrappers in a candy store. For example according to your source Joseph Gallaway, a close friend of Ben Franklyn thought the revolution wasn't necessary and felt..."Joseph Galloway (1731-1803), a former speaker of the Pennsylvania Assembly and close friend of Benjamin Franklin, opposed the Revolution and fled to England in 1778. Like many Tories he believed, as he asserted in this pamphlet, that the Revolution was, to a considerable extent a religious quarrel, caused by Presbyterians and Congregationalists whose "principles of religion and polity [were] equally averse to those of the established Church and Government."

The reality at the end of the day is "Christianity", the bible, and Jesus was not mentioned anywhere in the founding documents for a reason, the country wasn't founded on the tenets of Christianity. Washington approved a peace treaty between Tripoli and the United States that was ratified in the senate during John Adams presidency which explicitly states the following...“The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion…” https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-founding-fathers-religious-wisdom/ Non Christians primarily founded this country cause they didn't want the evils of religion to destroy the 'new world'. Most publically avowed to Deism so they could be heard and respected without following the the tenets of Christianity as they knew even in the dark ages that was over the top. Washington, Jefferson, and Madison to name a few who resented Christianity and government involvement in religion. 

George Washington was thought to be Christian publically yet he refused to partake in the ordinances or sacraments of his church indicating his more deist tendencies to the clergy of the time. Non Christian deists like Thomas Paine specifically excluded Christian language opting for terms like "creator" or "natures god" as opposed to Christian terminology like "redeemer". I'm not saying no founders were Christian, just the fact that we as a nation was not founded on Christianity itself. https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Founding-Fathers-Deism-and-Christianity-1272214

Praying does more for you then it does for me. You've no idea of my life nor what to pray for as your book tells you...  Romans 8:26 in the Bible says, "For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, ...

You believe you know why I reject Christianity but if you were to be honest with yourself, "praying" for me is just another way of quelling the anxiety of rising doubt internally. 

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; Christianity is the only Path to sustainability for the United States.

MayCaesar

Something that is worth pointing out is that the Founding Fathers imitated the Roman Republic when designing their system, not any of the Christian European states. The Roman Republic was as secular as a state had ever been prior to 1776, with relatively weak grip of religion on human lives, no dedicated church, et cetera. Instead, it featured temples dedicated to individual gods, and no particular god took precedence. It goes without saying that the Romans did not base their morals off their gods - in fact, in many ways their gods served to illustrate the relatively secular morals they had.

As was mentioned before many times, talk is cheap, and one has to look at the actual hard facts to understand the essence of anything. Despite what the Founding Fathers said, there is nothing in the American system itself that gives Christianity or Christian values a precedence. You could replace Christianity with, say, Shintoism without introducing a single change into the system. In fact, the Japanese system was modeled after the American system, and the Christian community in Japan is tiny and does not have any political power. The general ideas demonstrably work in any society, regardless of its religiosity.

I also have never understood how someone can be so blind as to assume that Christianity is chiefly responsible for such things as democracy, or condemnation of murder, when those had been around for much longer than Christianity. Ancient Greeks experimented with democracy 500+ years before the first Christian existed, and murder was outlawed even in Sumer 6,000 years ago. That these weirdos cannot understand how one can arrive at the idea that the murder is wrong or that the absolute power in the hands of one person is problematic without some omniscient being telling them that it is so - that is far more revealing than anything else they can possibly do or say. Little children who have never learned to think for themselves and make simple deductions, and who need someone to guide them through every step in life.

Did the Founding Fathers have little children in mind when designing their system? No, they said the exact opposite: that the system will only be sustainable if people take responsibility for their lives and actively participate in the life of the society, rather than give that responsibility to some higher entity. Letting the "god" do the moral thinking for them is not any different from letting the state do political thinking for them. In this respect, they got the Fathers' ideas exactly backwards.

just_sayin

Factfinder said:

just_sayin said:

@Factfinder
Without  Atheism, America would have never been founded let alone sustained. Without logic and reason...America would never have been established as rationality established the United States as people group who would fulfill the peace and the American way rejected by Christian looney birds...Facts and reality are the only reason America exists. When vile and demonic Christians, cult leaders, infiltrated America's government, the Nation began to die.

All 13 of the original colonies charters state explicitly that they were founded for God, most specifically say for Christianity.  In almost all, it might be all 13, to be a government official you had to be a Christian and pledge to uphold the Christian faith.  Two thirds of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were clergy.  John Adams and Jefferson were both president of the National Bible Association.  Washington said that the US government could not rightly function without God or the Bible.  Jefferson attended Sunday church services in the Capital building which where he had the federal government pay the minister (this was 2 days after his famous letter to the Danbury Baptists).  Jefferson ordered missionaries to go to the Indians and paid the missionaries with federal funds.  Jefferson had Bibles printed by the Federal government to give to the Indians to convert them to Christianity.  The first act of the Continental Congress was a 4 hour prayer meeting - which was the suggestion of Ben Franklin.  Both Jefferson and Franklin, often considered to be 2 of the least religious founding fathers, both wanted Bible stories to be the official seal of the US.  

You can verify this at the Library of Congress' Faith of Our Father's Exhibit.  

It must be hard to go on with your life after losing someone so close to you.  Praying for you.

The period surrounding the revolutionary war was very volatile and staunch opinions were tossed about like candy wrappers in a candy store. For example according to your source Joseph Gallaway, a close friend of Ben Franklyn thought the revolution wasn't necessary and felt..."Joseph Galloway (1731-1803), a former speaker of the Pennsylvania Assembly and close friend of Benjamin Franklin, opposed the Revolution and fled to England in 1778. Like many Tories he believed, as he asserted in this pamphlet, that the Revolution was, to a considerable extent a religious quarrel, caused by Presbyterians and Congregationalists whose "principles of religion and polity [were] equally averse to those of the established Church and Government."

The reality at the end of the day is "Christianity", the bible, and Jesus was not mentioned anywhere in the founding documents for a reason, the country wasn't founded on the tenets of Christianity. Washington approved a peace treaty between Tripoli and the United States that was ratified in the senate during John Adams presidency which explicitly states the following...“The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion…” https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-founding-fathers-religious-wisdom/ Non Christians primarily founded this country cause they didn't want the evils of religion to destroy the 'new world'. Most publically avowed to Deism so they could be heard and respected without following the the tenets of Christianity as they knew even in the dark ages that was over the top. Washington, Jefferson, and Madison to name a few who resented Christianity and government involvement in religion. 

George Washington was thought to be Christian publically yet he refused to partake in the ordinances or sacraments of his church indicating his more deist tendencies to the clergy of the time. Non Christian deists like Thomas Paine specifically excluded Christian language opting for terms like "creator" or "natures god" as opposed to Christian terminology like "redeemer". I'm not saying no founders were Christian, just the fact that we as a nation was not founded on Christianity itself. https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Founding-Fathers-Deism-and-Christianity-1272214

Praying does more for you then it does for me. You've no idea of my life nor what to pray for as your book tells you...  Romans 8:26 in the Bible says, "For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, ...

You believe you know why I reject Christianity but if you were to be honest with yourself, "praying" for me is just another way of quelling the anxiety of rising doubt internally. 

The Declaration of Independence says 

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

So the founders claimed rights come from God.  Now Christianity is not mentioned in the big 3 documents - that's true.  However, it does reference God.

Again, I pointed this out, and you pretended it didn't exist - all 13 states declared in their charters, which predate the United States that they were established for God, and more specifically Christianity.  I mentioned that no state officer could serve who was not a professing Christian in many, if not all of the states.  So, while, there is no doubt, that some may have considered themselves Deists, they are publicly on record as claiming to be Christian.  So evidence that the founding fathers, 2/3rds of which were Christian clergy, were predominately atheist is just untrue and only exists in the minds of atheists.  The truth is that much of the history of the original 13 colonies and even some of the reasons for the American Revolution were due to the people wanting religious freedoms. And to claim that most were Deists is another bogus claim, again 2/3rds of the founding fathers were clergy in established Christian denominations.

Man, can you not read the room.  Rather than my interactions with atheists causing me to question my faith, they have really strengthened my faith.  I have attended a few revivals that went 2 months or more and they did not strengthen my faith  as much as researching prayer, miracles, the historicity of Jesus, the historical evidence of the Resurrection, the various views on the creation of the universe, the fine tuning of the universe, the chemical issues with abiogenesis, the question of Evil, slavery in the Bible, and even the 20 or so 'God is a moral monster' verses that @Joeseph mentions.  In all candidness, I owe you a thank you.  In fact, I've been praying about doing a class at my church on the topics we've been debating.  That would be a real stretch for me.  So thank you for strengthening my faith.  And know that I have passed on the many nuggets of truth found in our debates with others and you have helped their faith also.  

You don't have to have been a profiler for the FBI for a decade to know your crisis of faith stems from the tragedies in your life.  You are right that prayer helps the person praying.  I believe it also helps the one you are praying for - go check out the does praying work debate for a lot of good evidence.  Praying for you.

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw


RICKEY HOLTSCLAW ACCEPTS THAT HIS GOD JESUS IS AN OUTRIGHT ABORTIONIST, PRAISE ZEUS!

JESUS' INSPIRED WORDS AS GOD SAID:  1 Thessalonians 2:13) “The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, FOR THEIR CHILDREN WILL DIE AT BIRTH OR PERISH IN THE WOMB or never even be conceived. Even if your children survive to grow up, I will take them from you.  It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone.  I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre.  But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered oh Lord. what should I request for your people? I will ask for the wombs that don’t give birth and breast that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them.  I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions.  I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels.  The people of Israel are stricken.  THEIR ROOTS ARE DRIED UP; THEY WILL BEAR NO MORE FRUIT.  AND IF THEY GIVE BIRTH, I WILL SLAUGHTER THEIR BELOVED CHILDREN (Hosea 9:11-16)

As if Rickey's god Jesus didn't murder enough innocent zygotes, fetus' and babies in his Great Flood Scenario, Jesus again brutally murdered more innocent babies as shown in the Hosea passage above!  SICKENING GOD, but Rickey still worships this ABORTIONIST MURDERER in the 21st century!  LOL!

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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

RICKEY HOLTSCLAW'S ...."BIBLE MORALITY 101".... WHERE HE HAS TO ACCEPT AND FOLLOW HIS GOD'S WORDs AS SHOWN BELOW! 

MORE UPDATES COMING, PRAISE ZEUS! 

1.  Rickey accepts that Lot’s two daughters had ungodly incestuous sex with their father, and biblically this is okay with Jesus as god!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181225/#Comment_181225

2. Rickey accepts that if anyone tries to make him worship another god, then biblically he is to murder that person!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181425/#Comment_181425

3. Rickey accepts that if his daughter is not a virgin upon her wedding night, then biblically he is to murder her along with others helping him!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181621/#Comment_181621  

4. Rickey accepts that if his children do not follow his rules, then biblically he is to BEAT THEM WITH A ROD that leaves bruises!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181685/#Comment_181685

5. Ricky accepts that if there are hard times, or for whatever reason, then biblically he could sell his daughter into slavery, praise Jesus!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181705/#Comment_181705

6. Rickey accepts that his god Jesus biblically is an outright BRUTAL ABORTIONIST, and therefore he can’t attend Anti-Abortion Rallies because he would be a hypocrite!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181919/#Comment_181919

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Joeseph

@just_sayin


the question of Evil, slavery in the Bible, and even the 20 or so 'God is a moral monster' verses that @Joeseph mentions.  

But the only "defence " you actually have regards biblical slavery is denying the actual words of your god and pretending his words mean otherwise , you seem to think in the ancient world there was actually no slavery just a means of employment those nasty Atheists term slavery.

To actually deny historical fact and what it actually says in the bible demonstrates clearly that you can only offer excuses for the immorality of your god by denying what to decent people is totally unpalatable.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; Do you have question about the Bible that is legitimate and noteworthy?

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Joeseph ; @Factfinder You serve the "monster" of the Bible as you serve Satan in atheism who is the god of murder, rape, enslavement, sodomy, abortion, Marxism....you serve the armpit of humanity and you will know them by whom they associate. You are evil and defiled and headed to death in Hell and you're too arrogant and self-righteous in your blindness to repent and trust in Jesus for life.

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Rickey, the number one BIBLE FOOL of this religion forum, bar none,

Barring the FACT that you are running away from your primitive JUDEO-Christian bible in my "RICKEY HOLTSCLAW'S ...."BIBLE MORALITY 101".... " posts because you are too embarrassed and SCARED to even try to address your deplorable bible is said posts, the other FACT remains as shown below:


"THE BIBLE DUNCE RICKEY" is violating in the name of Satan where his serial killer god Jesus says  to stay away from nonbelievers of Christianity like myself and others, period!

“Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?” (2 Corinthians 6:14)

“If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting,” (2 John 1:10)

RICKEY, TELL THE MEMBERSHIP WHERE YOU GET THE AUTHORITY TO VIOLATE YOUR SERIAL KILLER JESUS' WORDS IN THE TWO VERSES ABOVE BY TALKING TO NONBELIEVERS IN THIS RELIGION FORUM!

EXPLAIN:  

Jesus is watching you dismiss his to verses above, and you will answer to him upon Judgement Day for sure!

"Nothing in all creation is hidden from God. Everything is naked and exposed before his eyes, and he is the one to whom we are accountable." (Hebrews 4:13)

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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

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RICKEY HOLTSCLAW ACCEPTS THAT THROUGH THE BIBLE HIS 2ND CLASS WIFE CANNOT SPEAK IN CHURCH WHATSOEVER, PRAISE ZEUS! 

"The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church." (1 Corinthians 14:34-35)

For all women of Christianity in being sisters of Eve, who was the impetus of the dreadful "Original Sin," your place in any division of Christianity is being a 2nd class citizens to the superior man of the Christian faith! 

Rickey, if your wife goes to church with you, DO NOT FORGET to tell her to just "STFU " when she gets inside said church, where you will "school her" upon the churches preaching when you get home, that is, when she is done with her womanly duties!

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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

.RICKEY HOLTSCLAW'S ...."BIBLE MORALITY 101".... WHERE HE HAS TO ACCEPT AND FOLLOW HIS GOD'S WORDS AS SHOWN BELOW! 

1.  Rickey accepts that Lot’s two daughters had ungodly incestuous sex with their father, and biblically this is okay with Jesus as god!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181225/#Comment_181225

2. Rickey accepts that if anyone tries to make him worship another god, then biblically he is to murder that person!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181425/#Comment_181425

3. Rickey accepts that if his daughter is not a virgin upon her wedding night, then biblically he is to murder her along with others helping him!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181621/#Comment_181621  

4. Rickey accepts that if his children do not follow his rules, then biblically he is to BEAT THEM WITH A ROD that leaves bruises!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181685/#Comment_181685

5. Ricky accepts that if there are hard times, or for whatever reason, then biblically he could sell his daughter into slavery, praise Jesus!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181705/#Comment_181705

6. Rickey accepts that his god Jesus biblically is an outright BRUTAL ABORTIONIST, and therefore he can’t attend Anti-Abortion Rallies because he would be a hypocrite!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181919/#Comment_181919

7. Rickey accepts that his god's words say that his biblically 2nd class wife cannot speak in church, and is to just "STFU" when going to church!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181954/#Comment_181954

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Joeseph

@RickeyHoltsclaw

You serve the "monster"


Says a Jehovahs witness called Rickets who worships a god who daily watches kids being raped and does nothing ......but watch ........you're funny

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; If you understood the history of Paul's admonition concerning women remaining quiet in the Church you would understand that the emphasis is primarily placed upon the Church at Corinth and why do you think that was?

You don't understand, because you don't study because you would rather remain in spiritual ignorance which dampens your seared conscience as you stumble into Hell in your atheistic arrogance...but I digress...

Adjacent to Corinth was the pagan temple at Delphi where a pagan priestess set atop a throne in the midst of the Temple and below her was a burning intoxicating substance supposedly an article of enlightenment to free the mind - soul for prophetic oracles; awaiting patrons would file into the presence of the pagan priestess seeking oracles of enlightenment relevant to their daily lives and their future decisions and as the day progressed the priestess became increasingly "intoxicated" and her speech became slurred and ultimately only gibberish was uttered thereby leaving the awaiting patrons more confused as they left than when they entered. 

This pagan practice in Delphi garnered the priestess much notoriety; unfortunately, the women attending the Church in Corinth began to mimic the pagan priestess and would interrupt services with oracles of gibberish (unknown tongue - 1 Corinthians 14:2) and this caused much confusion and consternation for Paul who sought peace and organizational structure in the House of Elohim; therefore, Paul's admonition that women should remain quiet during services. I have seen and heard this pagan practice in Pentecostalism in modern day....this is why Paul emphasized the truism that God is not a God of confusion but a God of peace as in all the churches of the saints.

Hey, at least you brought forth something understandable....good job atheist. Research "Delphic Oracles"

  

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Joeseph ; Jehovah's Witnesses are a sincere but sincerely deceived cult...they are as lost and deceived as you, a vile atheist.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ;   Jesus sent out His Disciples to teach and proselytize the surrounding communities and admonished them to take only the necessities and to stay in the homes of the citizens as the worker is worthy of his wages and Jesus commanded that if a person, home, town, did not receive them but rejected the divine message of the Gospel, the Disciples were not to argue or fight or demand but they were to shake the dust from their sandals and move-on as that person, home, town, would be judged more harshly than Sodom and Gomorrah for their rejection of divine knowledge concerning the Father's will for their lives. This is relevant concerning you and other atheists as well in this forum...knowledge rejected is culpability.

Second, Jesus commands that we, Christians, not cast pearls of knowledge and faith and grace before swine e.g., the ardent atheist, haters of God, as these were fully capable of turning and attacking like a demon...I see this truism in this forum as well. 

 

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; If you have other questions about Biblical morality, ask them one at time...be respectful as I'm not your slave and gish galloping is a tactic of losers.

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw


YOUR QUOTE IN VIOLATING JESUS' DIRECT WORDS "AGAIN" WHERE YOU ARE NOT TO TALK TO UNBELIEVERS LIKE MYSELF!: "If you have other questions about Biblical morality, ask them one at time...be respectful as I'm not your slave and gish galloping is a tactic of losers."

RICKEY, YOU HAVE YET TO TELL THE MEMBERSHIP IN WHERE YOU GET THE GODLY AUTHORITY TO VIOLATE YOUR SERIAL KILLER JESUS' DIRECT WORDS IN THE TWO VERSES SHOWN BELOW WHERE HE SAYS YOU ARE NOT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH UNBELIEVERS LIKE MYSELF!!!


“Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?” (2 Corinthians 6:14)

“If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting,” (2 John 1:10)

EXPLAIN YOUR OUTRIGHT INSOLENCE TO YOUR SERIAL KILLER JESUS:

NEXT PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN LIKE ...."RICKEYHOLTSCLAW".... THAT PISSES IN JESUS' FACE WHERE HE SAYS HE DOESN'T HAVE TO FOLLOW HIS DIRECT WORDS IN THE BIBLE AS SHOWN ABOVE, WILL BE .....?

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RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; Christians are not to associate, affiliate, with those who hate our Creator, Jesus Christ...these are evil and we are commanded to "hate evil."

Joeseph

@RickeyHoltsclaw

At least you're consistent in your hate as you seem to hate all equally

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Joeseph ;  I hate the enemies of my Lord...

Let those who love the LORD hate evil, for he guards the lives of his faithful ones and delivers them from the hand of the wicked. Psalm 97:10

Joeseph

@RickeyHoltsclaw

But how can I hate what I don't believe in you id-otic troll.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Joeseph ;  Because you're a li-ar...every atheist is a deceiver...anyone possessing at least a modicum of commonsense and cognitive acuity knows our Creator exists...there is no true atheist lest they are mentally diseased...you're a li-ar....a "useful idi-ot" of the leftist agenda....