If you could weaponize the Justice Department, wouldn't you pardon your own son?

Bogan

Any sentient being can see that the incredible leniency shown by the US Justice Department towards Hunter Biden clearly displays just how committed the corrupt US Administration is in protecting their own.    In his last court appearance, even the judge asked the state prosecutor if he State was now working for the defense?      Hunter Biden's criminal charges are so routine that had he been anybody else his case would have swiftly seen him jailed.      In some of his charges, Justice Department foot dragging saw the statute of limitations run out on the most elementary drug charges, a clear case of either gross incompetence, or political corruption.         This is one reason why African Americans are turning on the Democrats.   Poor old excon/jack may take a three monkey approach to the two tiered US Justice system but black Americans know what would happen to them, and very quickly, if they were facing Hunter's charges.  

Factfinder

@jack

which he will. Do you honestly doubt that?

MayCaesar

jack said:

Hello:

Pursuant to current right wing lore, Biden has WEAPONIZED the Justice Department to go after Trump.  

However, to any sentient human being, if Biden had that power, he WOULD use it to pardon his son.  But, he doesn't, so he didn't.  Any questions?

excon

I think that any sentient human being understands that one can have a limited power, allowing them to do some illegal things they want to do, but not all of them.

jack

MayCaesar said:

I think that any sentient human being understands that one can have a limited power, allowing them to do some illegal things they want to do, but not all of them.

Hello May:

Uhhh....  Huh?

excon

jack

Factfinder said:

@jack

which he will. Do you honestly doubt that?

Hello F:

Of course I doubt it.  If he was gonna, wouldn't he have done it by now??   Libs are NOW the party of law and order..  Whoda thunk that???

excon

RickeyHoltsclaw

The DOJ has no authority over the Presidential powers to "pardon." Biden and his family are corrupt traitors...they should all be tried and proper protocol followed-up in the public square.

MayCaesar

jack said:

MayCaesar said:

I think that any sentient human being understands that one can have a limited power, allowing them to do some illegal things they want to do, but not all of them.

Hello May:

Uhhh....  Huh?

excon

The implication here is that the situation is possible in which Biden has weaponized the Justice Department to go after Trump, but does not exert enough control over it to outright pardon his son.

Bogan

Jack quote   Uhhh....  Huh?

Looks like jack finally took the paper bag off his head that he always walks around with, and is having a look around?    

Delilah6120

@Bogan

Bogan has fallen for a line that trump has made up as he´s used to being proactive when it comes to defending himself. hahaha. By aligning himself with blacks, he whines about how he has been unfairly and unjustly convicted JUST LIKE BLACKS. Bogan use your head.

jack

MayCaesar said:

Hello May:

Uhhh....  Huh?

excon

The implication here is that the situation is possible in which Biden has weaponized the Justice Department to go after Trump, but does not exert enough control over it to outright pardon his son.

Hello again, May:

I see...  Biden has enough power over the jury system to convict Trump, but not enough power to get charges dropped against his own son..  Tell me more........

By the way..  Biden's pardon power is absolute.  In federal matters, that would be ABSOLUTE.  He needs permission from nobody, and nobody can stop him.  All he has to do is think about it...   Oh, no..  Sorry..  That's Trumps power to declassify secret documents..  Getting 'em mixed up..

excon

MayCaesar

@jack

There is a difference between putting pressure on the court to convict someone who already has a very sketchy reputation and multiple lost court cases behind his back, and dropping charges against your own son (the latter very clearly signifies corruption).

If you have not noticed, I am not arguing that Biden has any power over the Justice Department. I am simply saying that your argument for him not saving such power is illogical, for the reason I outlined.

jack

MayCaesar said:

@jack

There is a difference between putting pressure on the court to convict someone

Hello again, May:

Pressure - over 12 independent jurors???  Tell me more.....

excon

MayCaesar

@jack

It is like you just woke up to this world. In 95% of legal systems juries are intimidated into producing guilty verdicts all the time. Try being a jury in Belarus and suggesting that the enterpreneur who criticized Lukashenko is innocent...

jack

MayCaesar said:

@jack

It is like you just woke up to this world. In 95% of legal systems juries are intimidated into producing guilty verdicts all the time. Try being a jury in Belarus and suggesting that the enterpreneur who criticized Lukashenko is innocent...

Hello again, May:

So, our justice system is like the one in Belarus?  Tell me more.......

excon

MayCaesar

@jack

No, but there is intersection between any two justice systems. The people arguing for Biden's corruption in this context assume that the ability to put pressure on the jurors lies within this intersection.

jack

MayCaesar said:

@jack

The people arguing for Biden's corruption in this context assume that the ability to put pressure on the jurors lies within this intersection.

Hello again, May:

Pressure???  Upon 12 INDEPENDENT jurors???  Just who is going to be applying said pressure??  And how are they going to apply it evenly across the board, so that ALL 12 jurors are swayed??  Tell me more...

Besides, the people you're quoting believe the Jews have space lasers.  Du*de!

excon

Bogan

@Delilah6120 ;  quote       Bogan has fallen for a line that trump has made up as he´s used to being proactive when it comes to defending himself. hahaha. By aligning himself with blacks, he whines about how he has been unfairly and unjustly convicted JUST LIKE BLACKS. Bogan use your head.

 

 President Trump is going to win the next US presidential election because most US electors do not think like you do.       They can see with their own eyes that the USA, the world’s premier democracy, is now verging on banana republic status where corrupt politicians persecute their political opponents, Soviet style, to win elections.      If you refuse to see that, then when Trump wins again, you are going to be just as dumbfounded as you were when he won the last time.     My opinion is, that most Americans can see that the so called criminal charges brought against Trump by corrupt DA’s like Fanny Willis are the result of creative thinking.      Most people can not even figure out what on earth the charges even are?   A whole line up of former respected DA’s, former US attorney General’s, and Harvard law professors have appeared on Fox and Sky News shaking their heads in pitying wonder at how the US legal system has been weaponised by the Democrats.    And also, how bizarre the charges are, and how unfair to the point of outright politicised prejudice that of the courts and judges are, who are trying President Trump.   

  The US congressional committees are now grilling the Democrat appointed US Attorney General, Merrick Garland, over the obvious US two tired justice system.    And it is instrumental watching Garland squirm in his seat as he tries to field the pointed questions aimed at him.     The most interesting aspect of that for me, is how Garland constantly tries to dodge the simple and easily answered questions that he just does not want to answer, by never quite answering the question asked.   Instead, he constantly misinterprets the clearly stated question and responds by stating an answer only tangentially related to the question.     That sure looks like prevarication and dishonesty to me.   Add to that, the constant claim that he can not answer a question because the matter is under investigation.    This is a great way to dodge a question you just do not want to answer.    You just make sure that the investigation never ends, and you can use that excuse forever.     

  When Garland was accused of aiding and abetting the prosecution of President Trump in other jurisdictions, he denied the allegation.     Asked to prove his denial by submitting to the US congress all communications from Garland’s office to Fani Willis, Alvin Bragg, and Leticia James, Garland refused.     If a person claims that he is not doing something insidious, and he has the means to prove it, and he then he refuses to provide that evidence to his accusers using the lamest of excuses for doing so, then I think that any fair minded person (at least those who’s brains have not been scrambled by socialist social theories) would conclude that the accused person is lying.      

just_sayin

Hunter Biden was about to get probation for all of his crimes, the federal prosecutor had signed off on the deal.  It was a judge who said this is not justice and stopped the two tiered process. In Trump's state case, the state had to assume a federal crime for which Trump was never tried for and never found guilty of.  That federal underlying crime was dropped by the federal courts due to lack of evidence, yet, a state court assumed Trump's guilt in order to prosecute him in a state court.  Trump is slimy, but the court case seems unjust.  Everyone should be treated equally under the law.  

MayCaesar

jack said:

Hello again, May:

Pressure???  Upon 12 INDEPENDENT jurors???  Just who is going to be applying said pressure??  And how are they going to apply it evenly across the board, so that ALL 12 jurors are swayed??  Tell me more...

Besides, the people you're quoting believe the Jews have space lasers.  Du*de!

excon

Your apparent presumption that letting your emotions flow when writing your comments is going to produce a convincing argument is... questionable.

Your original argument was this:

Pursuant to current right wing lore, Biden has WEAPONIZED the Justice Department to go after Trump.  

However, to any sentient human being, if Biden had that power, he WOULD use it to pardon his son.  But, he doesn't, so he didn't.  Any questions?

I explained how it is illogical. Whether Biden could have weaponized the Justice Department to go after Trump has no bearing on the validity of your argument, since your argument is conditioned on him having done that.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@jack ; The DOJ has no jurisdiction in whether or not Biden's crime family pardons one of their own...

jack

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@jack ; The DOJ has no jurisdiction in whether or not Biden's crime family pardons one of their own...

Hello again, Rickey:

What you say is true.. That's because, in terms of federal law, Biden's pardon power is absolute..  That would be ABSOLUTE.  He can pardon ANYONE convicted of a federal crime and/or he can STOP federal charges from being levied in the first place.  And nobody can stop him.  Not the DOJ - not ANYBODY.. If you recall Ford pardoned Nixon WITHOUT any charges having been filed.  Or, maybe you don't recall.

In terms of state law, Biden has no power to do anything. 

So, if President Biden wanted to, he, all by himself, can pardon his son, and nobody can stop him.  That would be NOBODY.

But, he DOESN'T.  I know why.  You don't.  

excon & Trump is too

PS:  I wonder how come this excon needs to explain the law to a frickin cop.. Du*de.

jack

MayCaesar said:

I explained how it is illogical. Whether Biden could have weaponized the Justice Department to go after Trump has no bearing on the validity of your argument, since your argument is conditioned on him having done that.

Hello again, May:

Uhh, huh?? 

excon

jack

Argument Topic: Hunter Biden GUILTY

Hello:

Yup..  Guilty as hell!!  Pardoned???  Nahh,

excon

Factfinder

jack said:

MayCaesar said:

Hello May:

Uhhh....  Huh?

excon

The implication here is that the situation is possible in which Biden has weaponized the Justice Department to go after Trump, but does not exert enough control over it to outright pardon his son.

Hello again, May:

I see...  Biden has enough power over the jury system to convict Trump, but not enough power to get charges dropped against his own son..  Tell me more........

By the way..  Biden's pardon power is absolute.  In federal matters, that would be ABSOLUTE.  He needs permission from nobody, and nobody can stop him.  All he has to do is think about it...   Oh, no..  Sorry..  That's Trumps power to declassify secret documents..  Getting 'em mixed up..

excon

He'll pardon jr. after the election and before the next term when he has nothing to lose. Biden will pardon his son. 

Really Jack, that never crossed your mind?

jack

Factfinder said:

He'll pardon jr. after the election and before the next term when he has nothing to lose. Biden will pardon his son. 

Really Jack, that never crossed your mind?

Hello Fact:

It DID occur to me, of course.  But, since Biden is NOT a corrupt tyrant, I laughed at the suggestion..

excon