Can We Safely Rule Out God?

MayCaesar

I suppose we can set out to rule out the 127897894354 fantasy creatures humanity has come up with... Or we can instead do something interesting and productive, such as study how this Universe actually works through experimentation and theoretization.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Barnardot ;  Commonsense, void a crippling obsession with satiating one's penis or vulva in aberrant pleasure, tells us that the supernatural Universe which encompasses us, permeates us, 24/7/365 possesses the divine earmarks of "design" and purpose - and - commonsense uninterrupted by the proclivities of self-righteousness, arrogance, hedonism, narcissism e.g, atheism/secular humanism tells us that this unfathomable "design" must be under girded by an omnipotent Designer who is most probably existing outside the constraints of Time and physics; therefore, commonsense tells us that if a Designer exists and the complexity of that design (the human genome for example) most likely emanates from a supernatural design that said Designer would be remiss if He, She, It, They, did not reveal them self, themselves, to those "created" and in conjunction with that revelation provide logical reasoning for having created the supernatural "creation" that engulfs us 24/7/365.

If one is honest and they perform a diligent search for that "Creator" there exists only ONE-SOURCE where a Creator has not only identified "Himself" but He has also thoroughly explained the who, what, where, when, why, concerning His creation; that source, the Canon of Scripture. In fact, our Creator has told the atheist, the secular humanist, the unbeliever, that He exists and that their denial of His existence is foolish (Psalms 14:1) because He has clearly revealed Himself through what He has made in nature and placed before our eyes (Romans 1:20), that which cannot be duplicated by created beings constrained by Time and physics; furthermore, our Creator has entered the Realm of Time and walked among us for 33.5-years as Messiah Jesus and He has clearly proclaimed that Elohim is One, our Creator, and that anyone seeking peace and intimacy with Him must enter that relationship through "faith" in the Son, Jesus our Messiah (John 3)...our Creator exists.

If the atheist is so sure that our Creator does NOT exist, why not bring forth a valid explanation, causation, reasoning, for what confronts us daily in nature using a naturalistic explanation so we can rid ourselves of "religion" and the much despised Christianity and pursue moral relativism void conscience? 

If our Creator does not exist, why not prove it to a believing-faithful segment of the World so that their desires and efforts to constrain their behavior via conformity to morality might be proven irrelevant and let's all pursue moral relativism because "if it feels good, do it;" after all, tomorrow we die and nihilism is our deity? 

      

RexTheDog

Argument Topic: God certainly does exist

@Barnardot to exist at all requires a decision to exist be made, only consciousness can make decisions as self-awareness is required for movement, you cant move if you don't have something to move in to or know what direction you want or need to move in, what we are moving in to is describable as God we know its God because it is containing us within its empty space, it is supporting us within its space, our planets rotate around each other something is holding them up, to call that something 'nothing' is to miss it's affect on all of us right down to the particle level.

somewhere at the start of time just before the very first particle popped in to existence a decision was made, the decision was 'wanna move' the answer was "yes lets move" 

now we are all moving somewhere in to something all of matter is on the move, something decided to compel it all to move somewhere if it had not decided to we wouldn't be moving, only one of two truths exist either all matter is moving of its own accord or something is moving the matter around. in either of these two truths God could be described as all of the matter deciding of its own accord and effectively explore itself and the space its within or God is the space it is within causing it all to move in its desired direction, either way God is everything and it the same time the nothing everything sprang forth from. a decision maker is at work as proved by the movement of the universe, the popping in too of existence and its continued existence moving is some form of direction towards somewhere. the movement of existence at all is proof of a God deciding to move it all, if theirs no God what made the decision to move first?       

RexTheDog

@RickeyHoltsclaw beautiful explanation and picture painted of the God that contains us, this point "If our Creator does not exist, why not prove it to a believing-faithful segment of the World so that their desires and efforts to constrain their behavior via conformity to morality might be proven irrelevant and let's all pursue moral relativism because "if it feels good, do it;" after all, tomorrow we die and nihilism is our deity?"  is currently on everybody's tongue as we are facing destruction in the face at the hands of what can only be descried as a global movement of evil we unveil the universe as containing something that is both a non physically existent concept yet manifest as a very physically persistent presence that affects the movement of our physical matter compelling it to move in the opposite direction on this marble floating around in something we don't understand. an unnatural force is present, the duality of all of space and time agrees an equal and opposite force should be present to appose it, and we have a state of good and evil battling it out on a physical earth with direct physical consequence for the matter and material involved. Good and Evil are non tangible non physical ideas having a very physical affect on the physically matter it comes in to contact with. can science explain this ethereal force having an impact on physical tangible reality? its super natural forces clearly existent in our reality we feel it and see it manifest every day we open our eyes yet un accounted for by science, and we are too busy with the fight to even consider it or ponder as we phase in an out of conscious reality daily, sleep time is dream time what the heck is that no eyes needed to see?. this is a freaky place, but its a real one we are in it we are living it.. what's next is the big question on everybody's mind at some point in life. facing that question down will only lead to God, anything else is non existence or, the dimension where good and evil came from where dreams are decided and that's a little strange isnt it? whos deciding? who decided yeah lets have Good and Evil battle it out? something had to?, knowing you don't even have to exist to have an affect on reality. pop over to that side and you are in the control room, the place that decides things, the things we react to down here on earth what scientific theory should we apply to this logically existent space?. Science know nothing really, it ignores all but the five physical senses and forgets to explore the decision making part of universal movement, who or what is making every thing move?          

RickeyHoltsclaw

@RexTheDog ; Great comment...thank you. If the atheist, secular humanist, would simply take the time to study Biblical eschatology and compare same with current affairs relevant to Israel, Russia, China, Iran-Islam, a nuclearized World...the inerrancy of the prophetic word...they would come to faith and believe but their ilk will only increase as our World approaches that Day. Thank you.

RexTheDog

@RickeyHoltsclaw in spite of the evil events occurring here on earth the solutions seems to manifest as a will to appose evil leading to a seeking of God as a haven from the evil we cannot control, at least in death we are in the space where evil really exists, the place it comes from to affect events and matter on earth a place where the real fight begins or as Gods word says a Heaven where it has already been defeated, its presence fizzling out here on earth as its head in the realm of God has already been severed. this is the Glory of God the angels sing about, the trumpets signaling its death, the gates of the fortress of haven have now been opened and all are welcome, all are forgiven, all are free, repentance is a shaking off of the dust of evil as we reassume our command of our ethereal selves, lesson learned, future secured infinity to explore before us, the Glory of God is in his capture of this future and subsequent handing down to us upon which we can build our own future in infinity the Glory of God seems to be quite the glorious achievement, the conquering of death .. evils greatest stronghold!.      

Joeseph

@RexTheDog

I'm afraid all you're doing is attempting to define a god into existence , there is not one shred of proof for a god , speculation is just that nothing else.

RexTheDog

@RickeyHoltsclaw its comforting to know that God is slowly but surly handing us the keys to eternity we seem to be here to be taught how to handle it

Joeseph

@RexTheDog


. Science know nothing really, it ignores all but the five physical senses and forgets to explore the decision making part of universal movement, who or what is making every thing move

Science can only test , experiment and evaluate that which is open to such , how do you propose science examine and test that which there's zero evidence for as in a god?

RexTheDog

@Joeseph you are correct I would like them to explore with experiments tests and equations and such, the tools of science, if their tools are inadequate continue to modify and develop them to explore further, the problem is science assumes God is mystical but it ignores the physical presence of good and evil manifest, Good and Evil are concepts not things, they have no physical constituents yet they do have a physical impact, that impact is very visible and tangible in reality it quite literally moves matter around the place so it has to be real real thing to have a real affect, if it is real where does it come from, if the tools of science cant explain it they should avoid considering themselves to have confirmed the non existence of God when God like forces are clearly and presently at work currently in our reality and field of vision, perceptions and awareness. get a microscope that can look at  consciousness lets see what's going on in there or just leave it for God to decide for fear of interference in his plan to reveal all to us anyway, the keys are handed down through the collectives combined actions in sync they commit the actions they do in pursuit of exploration, this is an unnatural force compelling us forward at all costs, taking in each lesson as we go forward.  

Factfinder

RexTheDog said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw its comforting to know that God is slowly but surly handing us the keys to eternity we seem to be here to be taught how to handle it

Rex

 Is your god perfect in all ways? Is your god omniscient, omnipresent? Is it the Abrahamic god of the bible? Are ALL things possible with it? In order to take you and your god seriously you must be able to define it in a comprehensive way.

@Joeseph you are correct I would like them to explore with experiments tests and equations and such, the tools of science, if their tools are inadequate continue to modify and develop them to explore further, the problem is science assumes God is mystical but it ignores the physical presence of good and evil manifest, Good and Evil are concepts not things, they have no physical constituents yet they do have a physical impact, that impact is very visible and tangible in reality it quite literally moves matter around the place so it has to be real real thing to have a real affect, if it is real where does it come from, if the tools of science cant explain it they should avoid considering themselves to have confirmed the non existence of God when God like forces are clearly and presently at work currently in our reality and field of vision, perceptions and awareness. get some tools that will crack a mind open and lets see what's going on in there  

. Otherwise how can science develop the tools necessary to detect, and experiment with theories of god like you expressed a desire for them to do?

Factfinder

@Barnardot

Well ricky says "commonsense" tells us god exist, "did it" concerning creation itself. That don't work for you? 

Seriously though I think we will never rule out god because no one is trying to. Science looks at the natural and observes natural phenomenon and attempts to explain nature primarily because that is what our senses limit us to and where the answers we do have came from. Flat earth cosmology wasn't ruled out till we saw the true appearance of our planet physically. Just maybe god is infinitely small and at some point in humanities existence we might see tiny things that avoid our instruments of detection at this time?  But right now I'm with you in that it's safe to say all the known gods and their lure can be ruled out. 

MayCaesar

RexTheDog said:

@Barnardot to exist at all requires a decision to exist be made, only consciousness can make decisions as self-awareness is required for movement, you cant move if you don't have something to move in to or know what direction you want or need to move in, what we are moving in to is describable as God we know its God because it is containing us within its empty space, it is supporting us within its space, our planets rotate around each other something is holding them up, to call that something 'nothing' is to miss it's affect on all of us right down to the particle level.

somewhere at the start of time just before the very first particle popped in to existence a decision was made, the decision was 'wanna move' the answer was "yes lets move" 

now we are all moving somewhere in to something all of matter is on the move, something decided to compel it all to move somewhere if it had not decided to we wouldn't be moving, only one of two truths exist either all matter is moving of its own accord or something is moving the matter around. in either of these two truths God could be described as all of the matter deciding of its own accord and effectively explore itself and the space its within or God is the space it is within causing it all to move in its desired direction, either way God is everything and it the same time the nothing everything sprang forth from. a decision maker is at work as proved by the movement of the universe, the popping in too of existence and its continued existence moving is some form of direction towards somewhere. the movement of existence at all is proof of a God deciding to move it all, if theirs no God what made the decision to move first?       

There are many things that exist without anyone making an explicit decision for it to exist. The tree did not at some point say, "I want to exist", nor did anyone else say, "Let this tree exist". It was formed from the pollen chaotically distributed by animals and wind.

Furthermore, your assumption that "to exist at all requires a decision to exist to be made" contradicts the claim that god exists. By this very assumption, a decision for the god to exist must have been made by someone, making that someone the real god - but the same argument applies to that someone... There is, at best, an infinite sequence of gods creating each other. And when you get an ugly construct like this, you know that you have gone wrong somewhere. It is more reasonable to reject this assumption.

Looking for a cause, let alone a conscious cause, everywhere is very anthropomorphic. The Universe, however, does not have to abide by human intuitions - and there are countless examples of it defying human intuitions.

Barnardot

@Factfinder ;Well ricky says "commonsense" tells us god exist, "did it" concerning creation itself. That don't work for you?

Well what Ricky knows about common sents could be printed in headlines a cross a fleas nuts.

You just cant make some thing up and say that there is a possibility that it exists and you cant rule it out. If every body went with that sort of num nut reasoning then the hole world would be in utter chaos. 

And thats what God is all about and all ways has been. There are many people in this world who are born with a void between there ears and they grow up with a continual need to fill the void with the first thing that comes a long to stop the echo driving them even more nuts. So the authoritarian brain controllers come a long and shove God in to there heads and they feel warm and fuzzy.

That the philosophy leason for today. Thank you very much. Do I pass the audation?

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Barnardot ; You and @Factfinder should be able to easily explain our creation from a naturalistic genesis seeing that you both are so intelligent and wise in your own eyes....let's hear your explanation for the human genome, its genesis from naturalism? Convince me that the human genome manifest absent design and a Designer?

Barnardot

@MayCaesar ;Furthermore, your assumption that "to exist at all requires a decision to exist to be made" contradicts the claim that god exists.

That is real scarry because that is the way that many people think. And what is even more disturbing is that churches tell people that all they need to do is believe. And then you get these philosophical num nuts who try and talk about different realties. But its all just game playing in the end which is sad. Because the people in control like to manipulate the naiive dreamers and pray on the week and make them even more deluded. 

Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Convince me you have a brain. 

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; You can't convince one of another's intellect when the one seeking to be convinced has no intellect or wisdom or discernment.

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder ; You can't convince one of another's intellect when the one seeking to be convinced has no intellect or wisdom or discernment.

You admit you don't use discernment or have a brain. You rely totally on a fairy elf god, that's what you said. wish you had a brain now?

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; I DON'T RECEIVE NOTIFICATION FROM YOUR QUOTES LEST YOU USE   @RickeyHoltsclaw ;  Why are you so slow of learning?  Prove creation void my Lord? Use your evilution or naturalism....I'm waiting anxiously.

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder ; I DON'T RECEIVE NOTIFICATION FROM YOUR QUOTES LEST YOU USE   @RickeyHoltsclaw ;  Why are you so slow of learning?  Prove creation void my Lord? Use your evilution or naturalism....I'm waiting anxiously.

Why do you think I care? You're a worthless braindead child who has no significance. You believe in santa for christ sake.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; You care because you're a fearful child...you know you're wrong about our Creator and you know you're not right with our Creator and His sovereignty...you're an obstinate child who kicks against the goads in your foolishness and stup-idity.

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder ; You care because you're a fearful child...you know you're wrong about our Creator and you know you're not right with our Creator and His sovereignty...you're an obstinate child who kicks against the goads in your foolishness and stup-idity.

Believe me, I don't care .Ever wish you had a brain?

Joeseph

@RexTheDog

Science doesn't  bother about god claims as there is not one scrap of evidence for a god ,who told you science "assumes god is mystical " because that is nonsense.

What has good and evil got to do with science? 

There is no good and evil only subjective views of such , humans add moral value.

Scientists don't say they have confirmed the non existence of god the burden.of proof is with the believer to prove their is a god a claim there's not one shred of proof for.

Your statement about good and evil makes no sense at all.