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That is an objective fact: and the images I showed are examples of lenses that do not produce distortion.
Posting images that show distortion is not any argument against the objective fact that some images do not.
Are you just not understanding my point?
Can you explain why linking an image of a lense that produces distortion somehow invalidate lenses that objectively take undistorted images?
Your argument makes no sense.
Maybe you should go back and read the last few posts again. Try it aloud. More specifically, the sourced fact that the distance to the subject makes a difference, and the footage that shows a lens doing just what the source claims. I know this refutes your position, and you'll continue to ignore it, but I'll spell it out a third time, for clarity. The lens on the shuttle showed little to no distortion on the ground, then warps the horizon at 230,000 feet. Keep playing dumb.
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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You last asked "If it took a selfie, and I misinterpreted it as a real image of your face (no ad-hom accusation of you being ugly, I swear! Just a theoretical), would that mean the image is fake?"
If it was a typo, I understand.
How would you know if it were an actual photograph, or if I hired a painter to reproduce the image, if it is a still?
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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http://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/13038/#Comment_13038
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
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”Maybe you should go back and read the last few posts again. Try it aloud. More specifically, the sourced fact that the distance to the subject makes a difference, and the footage that shows a lens doing just what the source claims. I know this refutes your position, and you'll continue to ignore it, but I'll spell it out a third time, for clarity. The lens on the shuttle showed little to no distortion on the ground, then warps the horizon at 230,000 feet. Keep playing dumb.”
Your argument is that a video from a different camera with an unknown curvature profile that you’ve claimed is faking it’s image shows that a completely different lens that obviously produces little distortion produces distortion for reasons that make no sense. And you’ve claimed to have proven no camera in the world can ever take a picture of a straight line at height by showing a smattering of evidence.
You’ve claimed that a lens can produce major distortion sometimes, and not others. Essentially saying that light coming into the lens from exactly the same angles is bent differently depending from how far away it came. That is pseudoscientific nonsense, and is unsupported by your evidence
I understand what you claimed: it just makes no sense, is unsupported, and seems to fly in the face of everything anyone knows about lenses.
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When you said you thought an image was fake when misrepresented and misinterpreted.
If an image is not real, if someone misinterpreted that image as real, it doesn’t mean the image is fake; it depends on how the image was presented.
Also if an image is fake, and presented as real, and correctly interpreted by people as not real: that doesn’t make the image not fake.
So, to me, a fake image in this context is any image that is presented by the creator as showing something that was artificially introduced into the image and wasn’t originally there in the original.
would you agree with that definition: if not, so you have a better one?
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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This is why after months you still haven't managed to prove a single point in your favour.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
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Occam's Razor
Sticks in the sun
Lunar eclipse
Muh science book
Other planet's
Gravity
That one bridge
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Heres a quick recap of some simple rebuttals to those arguments:
Space Pictures: NASA has admitted to faking images
Occam's Razor: Do I even need to rebut this?
Sticks in the sun: Could also easily work on a flat Earth with a small and close sun
Lunar eclipse: Actually proves flat Earth
Muh science book: But... but
Other planets: That's like taking a picture of 5 dogs and a cat, placing the cat in the bottom right corner, and saying "Look at the cute dog in the bottom right corner".
Gravity: Unsupported theory
That bridge in New York: Just because the bridge is curved does not mean the water is curved
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
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So. It not a secret that NASA has their satellites orbiting 36000 km away from the equator and their space stations orbiting closer to close to take a picture of the intre earth. If people wan't a image showing the earth in its inerty of course they are going to use several satellite images to create one large image. I mean they said they are doing it. What does that have to do with the rest of their images?
"Lunar eclipse: Actually proves flat Earth"
How so?
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Selenelions.
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Eclipses:
Do you remember the Solar Eclipse from last year? While many ballheads were quick to claim that it was irrefutable globe Earth evidence, it's actually one of the simplest proofs for a flat Earth.
http://debateisland.com/discussion/1205/the-eclipse-debunks-the-globe-heliocentric-model-of-the-universe
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
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A Selenetions is possible with atmospheric refraction which is what we mainly disagree on so I feel like this one is a question of atmospheric refraction.
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"Do you remember the Solar Eclipse from last year? While many ballheads were quick to claim that it was irrefutable globe Earth evidence, it's actually one of the simplest proofs for a flat Earth.
http://debateisland.com/discussion/1205/the-eclipse-debunks-the-globe-heliocentric-model-of-the-universe"
I thought I had already countered this point. Far moon and moon moving relative to earth where as sun does not move relative to the earth (Mostly) and Earth.
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Also, Interesting. No rebuttal to the NASA thing.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
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Hello @Nope said - How do you know we could have a boat disappearing over the horizon and see Chicago over lake Michigan?
It always does, remember? As I stated in my post.
Moderators - half my post just disappeared. My letters are trailing as I type it is next to impossible to respond. the tits and ash ads are annoying please fix?
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I can't watch some videos on my school computer. Also while I do believe the earth is round and many of NASA pictures are real, I do not think I would be able to prove their pictures are real to you. I am not as knowledgeable in that subject.
Also every one has a base opean so you can't know if a unbase claim leads to the conclusion the earth is flat at this moment.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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As I said:
1.) it is nonsensical to say all cameras work one way, because a completely different camera works one way.
2.) it is nonsensical to say that a camera that objectively does not distort an image, will somehow distort an image. You are basically saying that light hitting a camera lens at a specific angle bends differently than light hitting than camera lens at a completely different angle.
3.) You do not have enough information about the camera in question to draw conclusions: not have you made any attempt to demonstrate your position in depth.
I was pretty clear.
You may not like that I am pointing out the key logical and evidential flaws in your position (and will do so one by one), but to accuse me of simply being incredulous is massively dishonest.
You seem to be building a pattern of dishonest behaviour: from misrepresenting your own position to make it seem stronger, to accusing people of fallacies they aren’t commiting. That is quite different from the “scientist” position you claim to hold.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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I muted you long ago but I'd be interested to know what you think of the Falcon Heavy rocket taking off and showing a definite curvature to the Earth. Non-NASA, non-governmental source. No fisheye lens.
http://www.spacex.com/webcast
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- David Ricardo
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The problem with that is you can never lose base. That is currently impossible. All humans are base. So you can claim a not base person will think the world is flat after considering the evidence but scene you have no way to test that it stands as an unsupported claim.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Under a system of perfectly free commerce, each country naturally devotes its capital and labour to such employments as are most beneficial to each. This pursuit of individual advantage is admirably connected with the universal good of the whole. By stimulating industry, by regarding ingenuity, and by using most efficaciously the peculiar powers bestowed by nature, it distributes labour most effectively and most economically.
- David Ricardo
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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You can't not have bias. All humans as bias. Even if it is not a lot of bias it is still their. What does the shape of the horizon half to do with the earths shape? What do you mean the shape of any body of water?
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Did I stutter?
Your claiming images are faked.
If I take a photo of anything with a distorting lens, it isn’t necessarily “fake”, you said so yourself.
Its only fake, if I start saying the photo is accurate.
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@Medic
Here?
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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I've seen the experiment performed at least 3 times, and all the results agree. If you feel that you can more accurately perform the experiment and prevent the mixing of opposing tempurature of water, I'd be happy to see your setup and results, without bias, of course.
"Of course it might appear smaller behind the longer container by the shift is the same it is of course important to be accurate. "
Why would water cause objects to appear smaller?
"This expiramant contradicts you model from how i understand your model."
Which one is that?
" Why did you dismiss the temperature difference over lake Michigan?"
Are you referring to a thermal inversion?
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/05/06/weather-mirage-chicago-skyline-lake-michigan/70902190/
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Aristotle recognized this truth simply because he observed the earth's spherical shadow casted upon the moon during an eclipse. He also noted that the stars changed their positions every so often, such a fact wouldn't be true on a flat earth cosmology.
I'm not retired, I'm young, but I'm a student of history. That's all I'm saying. Good luck convincing the masses you're right.
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Hello @Judaism
Elvis just may be alive, .. looks like Prince is! Take a look at this video some years back when he was still alive, specially time 0:32
the double glasses act:
Time 0:32
was he giving us a hint of what he will be wearing in the future after they fake his death? Like here pretending to be Princes sister? Look at the glasses he's wearing:
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