Not so much.
Evidence for progress:
- Practices once deemed acceptable, like slavery, child marriage, and public executions, are now widely condemned.
- Science and technology have improved living standards for many, alleviating poverty and disease.
Evidence against progress:
- Wars, genocide, and continued social inequalities suggest ongoing moral failings.
- New technologies like AI and genetic engineering raise ethical concerns and potential misuse.
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We can gauge morality by first understanding it's a concept that's bigger than our individual selves. It must benefit people as a whole while offering protections simultaneously. In doing this we achieve both objectivity and subsequently respect for one another. A human concept if mutually practiced by everyone can become greater than humanity itself. And in theory would need not be imposed as then you begin to transition into law.
Atheists and theists get their morals from this same source. The atheist generally understands this though they may add or subtract here or there. The theist understands morality is bigger than themselves but with one difference, they believe the objectivity comes from fictitious writings giving them the illusion of some nonhuman source lending objectivity. Of course this only means they're chasing the author or authors ideas of morality, still a human concept.
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We possess the ability to reason, contemplate consequences, and feel empathy, allowing us to form our moral principles based on understanding and compassion.
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What you call understanding and compassion is to another idiocy. Doing what is best for the individual is what makes sense if you are an atheist. Your interests supercede anyone else's, because your only imperative is to survive.
As Thomas Merton put it
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Each one of us needs to balance sour elf interest against the good of the groups we belong to as a whole, usually on a day to day basis. It is the tacit understanding of what a community generally believes is correct behaviour which defines morality.
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I am a useful ? Thank you JS. That is the nicest thing you have ever said about me. I am touched.
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I do not know... You have to pick from millions of gods, and I do not need to pick from anything. Why are you feeling sad for me? Your predicament is much more difficult.
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I also have never had depression, so cannot really relate to what you are saying. I agree though that me having to help you with your illness would not be optimal, since I am not a medical specialist. Good to know that you do not need medical services and can just pray to Vishnu and get healed! More space in hospitals for us common folks.
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No. What is right and what is wrong is usually decided by the entire community. Although, it can be from a top down approach As an example, look at how treansgenderism today is not only being supported by the elites. it is being legally enforced in some countries like Canada and the UK by the elites. But although you as a religious person need to believe that morality is carved in stone, that never happens. Morality changes as different times call for different group survival strategies. If Christian morality never changed, we would still be burning women for being witches, who did not have enough supernatural powers to get themselves a square meal.
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How do you reconcile the claim that Christianity provides objective morals with the fact that there are over 30,000 Christian denominations disagreeing on morals today? I understand objective facts as something independent of one's opinion: if two people jump off the bridge, both will fall down - in this sense, the way gravity acts on a human being can be determined objectively. In what sense are Christian morals objective, and what experiments can one perform to settle all disagreements between different denominations?
I think you are confusing objectivity with external authoritativeness. It is absolutely true that someone who does not follow any gods does not have what a Christian or a Muslim has - the text to go to when trying to figure out what is right and what is wrong. It seems untrue, however, that those texts are in any way objective, or that their choice is objective, or that their interpretation is objective. You can pick two books - the Bible and the Quran - and get completely different moral prescriptions. You can even pick two non-religious books - Mein Kampf and Das Kapital - and get completely different moral prescriptions. I fail to see where the source of the alleged objectivity is.
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Firstly, Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't God instruct Christians to "suffer not a witch to live"? Okay, so how come Christians are no longer obeying your non existent God's direct instruction?
Secondly, since your God does not even exist, then every direct instruction from your non existent God was in fact invented by somebody from the priestly caste, Which is a perfect example of morality being imposed top down by the elites, who can be the inventors and disseminators of morality, which they then can impose on the peasantry. Unsurprisingly, this morality mainly benefits themselves. Discovering "witches' and executing them was a very profitable business model for the church and their "Witchfinder Generals". Hundreds of thousands of mainly independently wealthy European women had all of their lands and possessions confiscated by the church and the state before they were executed, sometimes in the cruelest possible way.
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So, you are claiming that a direct command by your God to kill witches can be ignored, because the new version of the bible, which is more based upon the teachings of a pacifist Jewish philosopher whom the church heretically claimed was the divine son of their one God, did not mention whether God's direct command had been superseded? The fact is that despite the existence of the New Testament, Christian church elitists preferred to stick with God's direct command in the Old testament. If the Old testament is obsolete and the direct commands of God can be ignored, then why is it still a part of the Bible?
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The purpose of the old covenant is different than the new one - about 10 - 20% of the New Testament address this issue specifically. The purpose and group of the old covenant is different than the new. The Old testament still has value and can teach us about God, I'm not arguing that it doesn't. I am pointing out that ceremonial commandments and those related to the establishment of the nation of Israel no longer apply though. As Hebrews 8:6 (New Testament, Bogie) point out 'But now Jesus, our High Priest, has been given a ministry that is far superior to the old priesthood, for he is the one who mediates for us a far better covenant with God, based on better promises.'. Hebrews 10:1 (New Testament) adds 'The old system under the law of Moses was only a shadow, a dim preview of the good things to come, not the good things themselves. The sacrifices under that system were repeated again and again, year after year, but they were never able to provide perfect cleansing for those who came to worship.'
I appreciate your thoughtful question. I'm sure you are not the only one who has had it.
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