If you believed God asked you to kill someone would you do it?
Let's just suppose you are a devoted religious person who believes in God. Not just a little bit but you believe with all your heart and mind, and that you would do anything for God to go heaven, etc. Then given that imagine one day God came to you one day and you believed with all your heart and faith this was God.
Now suppose he said to you "I have come here and chosen you. If you want to prove how devoted to me you are then I command you to one night go out and find a family and kill every one of them with a Knife in each of their chests."
Now the question is would you do it? I am interested in hearing what religious people have to say about this.
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It would be hard to work out weather a non religious psych path would be less inclined to kill some one because they also hear voices in there heads and it is not necessary God.
But lets consider the how God is actually used by manipulators to make people kill. For example what about the Muslim extreamist groups who radicalize kids to go and put on a vest and kill people. How do they get these exstreamists to do it? They use religion and ram the belief down these kids throats so hard that they feel excited to do it. Take away the God part of it and it would be very hard to convince these kids to kill and kill them selves.
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The film "Frailty" deals with this issue. I highly recommend it.
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Cheer up mate , you're in a right ole temper , try some deep breaths and maybe go for a long walk on a short pier ....would work wonders.
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I'm with the spacefairy on this, no true Scotsman would spew such nonsense, hang your head in shame lad.
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Well with your well known pubic record on this site it is highly likely that your going to take a slightly longer walk a long the pier. Just one step will do and thats the end of Dee again. In to the drink until he resurects him self under another name in the next block buster sequel of lies dishonest debating and temper out bursts. Which grate block buster will we be up to then? Dee 9 the 9th Life. Coming soon.
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DO YOUR HOMEWORK!
YOUR BIBLE INEPT QUOTE: "If you believed God asked you to kill someone would you do it?"
There is no "ifs" in Christianity relative to you having to murder others, where it is commanded by the God of Christianity as shown in the passages below:
1. "If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, BUT KILL HIM. Your hand shall be the first raised to SLAY HIM; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall STONE HIM TO DEATH, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)
2. "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, they have committed an abomination; the two of them shall be put to death; their bloodguilt is upon them." (Leviticus 20:13)
3. "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." (Exodus 22:18)
4. "And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death." (Exodus 21:15)
5. "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.)
The above MURDERING passages are only a few of many, but you get the idea that Christianity is to MURDER others as biblically shown!
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Some countries already kill LGBTQ+ legally.
LEGALLY.
Man, will we need a LGBTQ+ vaccine if the right wing has their way against their own kin.
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I think we would all kill under certain conditions. Ask your mom or dad.
Few of us would murder.
A supernatural God could kill a lot easier than I could, so if asked to kill by such a being, I would kill, if it would be my target.
Some ancient sage said that and it makes sense to do so.
I guess it is because if their is one of those sons of Gods around, as a proof of concept, means that there are many.
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Totally right as well as being completely correct and thats exactly what goes on.
Religious groups are all ways at each other throats killing each other because there respective Gods told them to do it. Most of them are just bull crapping of course and just use God for a totally dum excuse to kill.
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I am assuming your are non-religious right?
Also, @RickeyHoltsclaw how about you? You believe in God with all your heart right. So just humour me for sec and imagine that God did actually come to you and you knew it, you had 100 percent trust, faith, you "knew" this was him. An he told you to show your commitment to him you must kill all people with blond hair would you do it?
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@ZeusAres42
Have you seen it yet? It's on many streaming services.
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I searched it yes and actually remember watching some of it late one night many years ago. Haven't actually see the whole movie though I don't think.
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The twist ending is powerful.
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Anger
21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire. Matthew 5 (ESV)
Lust
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Matthew 5 (ESV)
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You are dodging the question. What if you knew for a fact that your lord approached you, and explicitly ordered you to, say, murder 10 babies on the street? Would you do it?
If your answer remains, "God would not ask me to do this", then you are not engaging with the question. Engaging with it means assuming that the hypothetical was actually to happen, no matter how unlikely it is to happen.
For example, let me start: my mother is the most important person in my life - but if she told me to kill someone on the street seriously, I would assume that she was seriously sick, and rather than do it, try to help her instead. See, I have no difficulty considering this hypothetical scenario.
Your turn: you and the mad god. Go!
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Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”
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I will repeat the question: if your god were to order you this (regardless of how impossible you think it to be), what would you do? Answer the highlighted part exactly; I am not interested in anything else, but your answer to this particular question.
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@MayCaesar NO atheist...it's not "dodging the question"...you simply don't know my Lord and His righteousness. I will testify that Elohim, during the pagan wars involving Israel and their pagan enemies, did order the complete destruction of certain pagan tribes that fought against Israel but my Lord would NEVER command that I engage in anything that would violate His codified and spiritual laws AKA murder...only your god would seek to deceive one in such demonic behavior.
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Please answer my question.
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@MayCaesar Your question is moot...my Lord would never ask such a thing of me....
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Good to hear. Now imagine the alternative reality in which he would - then please answer my question.
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This is how one knows that you are completely lost intellectually: you cannot even entertain the thought that something in this world under different circumstances might not align with your beliefs. You are like that wife who is being beat up and cheated at by her husband daily, but keeps believing, "Deep inside he still loves me!"
If you are not prone to changing your mind under any circumstances, I do not think a debate website is the right place for you to be.
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Very well, I have my answer. You choose to live like this:
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The concept of serving no one may be foreign to you, which, again, is why I made the comparison between you and the applauding North Koreans. They, too, have no idea how one can live without the Great Leader in their life.
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Let me answer it.
- What would you do if Satan, or Kim Jung-Un, or God, or a demon, or anyone or anything else asked you to kill someone?
- Say, "Fork you".
Here goes the servitude. You, however, cannot answer such a question with respect to your lord, which suggests that you, indeed, are a servant.
See, it is very easy to debunk everything you say with concrete examples. All of your arguments are based on fuzzy fantasies; you have nothing of substance to say.
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Not at all...they rejected Jesus...the same spirit that murdered Jesus upon a tree...that same spirit that controls your life and your thought processes.
No. You know hitler was 100% christian, and islam worships the same Abrahamic god. Evil cults that atheist dictators mimic because who knows better how to commit genocide than the perverted maniacal abrahamic god of the bible? Elohim, the bane of humanity.
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Except I oppose all tyrants equally: communist tyrants, Islamic tyrants, fascist tyrants and Christian tyrants alike.
Lumping me up with Mao is strange, when liberalization of mainland China is what I see as the most desirable political outcome of the next 30-40 years. You though lump yourself up voluntarily with a creature that inspired countless crusades, religious and civil wars, political executions... Do you not find it true that the criticism you hurl at me, Zeus and Factfinder, is actually addressed to you?:
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As I already said, there is no entity in this Universe that can compel me to kill someone by telling me to: I recognize no one's authority when it comes to vicious things like this. Call Satan my "god": if Satan appears before me in the flesh tomorrow and tells me to kill someone, I will show him a middle finger. How do you reconcile it with your claim that I serve him?
It would be a different matter if your "god" appeared before you in the flesh tomorrow and told you to kill someone, would it not? That is when your commitment would truly be tested: would you do a thing that all moral systems in the world consider unacceptable due to your devotion to your master - or is your devotion not nearly as strong as you claim it to be? It has to be one or the other, so I am just curious as to which one it is.
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