I hate Trump, but it's Biden who's committing genocide on the Palestinians.

maxx said:

the genetic disadvantage in overall learning is theoretically based on "as a race" they never had the science, nor the technology europeans have had.  Euroepans developed specific traits over generations that were passed on to them due to evolutionary advantage it gave them. For instance, most ancient humans developed many traits that were advantageous to them and they were genetically passed on; yet specific isolated tribes did not, so they were left behind in development. @Factfinder

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i hate to point this how, however due to your discrimination against other religious groups, including those of eastern and middle east origin, that makes you as much a racist as anyone. talk about being hypocritical. @RickeyHoltsclaw

Maxx quote  are you kidding  me? i posted  high quality science links, and you give me you tube videos?

 Stop play acting.   Your “scientific report” claimed that there is no genetic basis for race.     There are literally dozens of videos on youtube that prove that premise wrong.   Not only can geneticists tell race from DNA, this science is now so advanced that it can literally draw an approximation of a person’s face from DNA.     There are DNA labs which can even tell from a persons DNA what percentage of each Racal group that they are composed of.   So, any “scientific report” which claims that science does not recognise race, is obviously fraudulent.     It is pseudo science written by political partisan leftists. 

Maxx quote  which one is more likely to lie, youtube or biotech? 

 The source that is logical, makes sense, and is constantly reinforced by new information.        Claiming that there is no scientific basis for race is obviously a lie, when forensic anthropologists do it all the time from the skeletal remains of homicide victims.      Claiming that there is no scientific basis for race is obviously a lie, when DNA labs can tell a person’s race, or even from what races a mixed race person is composed of, from their DNA.     Would you like me to send you some youtube links on those labs?  

Maxx quote  Division of race is a human concept, not a biological one.

Science is a human concept.     Biology is a human concept.   Science and biology categorises everything.    Including humans.    Carl Linneous, the father of Anthropology, began the process of classifying human sub species which was never in any way considered invalid util our universities began to get over run with Leftist lunatics.         But just like so many things in science today, what was science in the past does not conform to Marxist ideology.     So, just like out “history wars” and our “culture wars”, Marxists are trying to re define Anthropology to air brush out the science they do not like.     Just like the US American Medical Association now claims that gender is independent of biological physical reality, Marxist Anthropologists refuse to recognise human sub species.

Maxx quote  you are not basing race on actual biology but on color.

Which has been done all throughout history.    Humans have long recognised that humans, and animals from recognisable similar species from different environments look different.   And they act different.   The most obvious difference in humans is skin colour, followed by physical features.    

Maxx quote    i have given you science, biology and i fail to see what more proof that you need.

Okay, so you want a link war, do you?      Go and read the serious scientific work of “The Bell Curve” and then come back and apologise for wasting my time.

Maxx quote  You refuse to accept science. look at the charts, the actual proof instead of a you tube video. 

I am so advanced on this topic that when I began reading one of your “scientific” links it made me laugh.     It is not science, it is pseudo science, written in an authoritative way to fool the maxx’s of this world, who are too lazy to even read the links they submit. 

Maxx quote       christ, you are allowing your beliefs to over ride common sense and you do not even realize it. 

At least I did a lot of research and even read opposing views before I came to my conclusions.      All you can do is to sprout fashionable opinions, and when your sloganeering falls flat in a debate against a switched on opponent, just run around the web finding pseudo science links to toss at me instead of a reasoned arguments.

Maxx quote  You do not even realize that genetically; we are all africans. get real bogan; stop allowing your views to over ride the proof. 

You do not realise it, but there are commercial DNA labs which can take your DNA and tell you exactly what percentage of each racial type you are composed of.     You claim that science does not recognise race, well, that proves that you and your “scientific” links are wrong.   Only recently, a Hispanic Political commentator (Judy Behar on “The View”) on MSNBC, who never stops sprouting how white people should give reparations to black people for slavery, took a DNA test.   The test, which not only traced her family tree, (who were slave owners) showed how she was more European than an “oppressed” Hispanic. 

Maxx quote   The only thing you have shown is basic feature differences, and culture ones; not bilocally reasoning. 

Basic feature differences are biological, dummy.  Please select "brain" before engaging "keyboard."

Maxx quote  I do not know what else to show you since you refute the science, save perhaps a you tube video that you seem so fond of. 

I refute Marxist pseudo science.   Unlike yourself, I found this topic fascinating and I love finding out more and more about it.     Which is why I can run rings around you. 

Maxx quote  I also guess by your vies, we should put all blacks in a penal colony somewhere, or on ships and ship them to another planet. That will show them and then we can do the same for all other "races" people do not like. a perfect cure for racism; get rid of them all until only whites are left

 If races do not exist, then why is the Left so obsessed with race?       They claim that race does not exists when it is convenient, then they can see it as plain as day whenever governments are handing out cash, jobs, “reparations” and special privileges to the “oppressed” races, who are the victims of “oppressor” races.           Either races exist, or they do not.   You can’t have it both ways. 

Maxx quote  apparently you did not read the links.

I read one of them because I was bored, and it was a joke.  I even dissected it for you and destroyed its logic.    But naturally, you did not respond to that.

Maxx quote   Physical  chrematistics do not change a race into different ones.

Physical differences are present in human and animal sub species, and that physical difference is accompanied by behavioural differences. As head of the Human genome Project, Nobel laureate James Watson said,  "....there is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so”    

Maxx quote  every ape has a different look, different shading, different head sizes. nothing is identical.

Different species look different, and different sub species look different.     What is your point? 

Maxx quote  You are tying to claim there are different races based upon the area they originated from, nothing more.

“Races” can equate to “sub species” of humans.        Just like in animals, sub species of humans look different to one another because they evolved within wildly differing environments, where their physical and mental attributes gave them an evolutionary advantage within the type of environment they evolved in.     Therefore, races can not be equal in every environment.

Maxx quote  Of course there will be differences based upon the environment the "race" have been in for generations.

And when those differences become physically obvious, humans have always labelled the people with those differences as different “races.”      Humans like to name things.    It is just something we like to do.

Maxx quote      Where the hell did you think whites came from; suddenly appear from nowhere? Once blacks left and migrated to cooler climates, they lost the need for the protective skin coloring. Their dark hair became lighter, and many other physical changes occurred. Their culture changed, a different diet appeared. These whites who originated as blacks; yet here you are, claiming that it is whites who are superior based on environmental physical features, and a lousy bell curve testing.

When black Africans migrated to cooler countries, they evolved over a long period of time, white skin and sometimes blue eyes as genetic adaptations.     Your premise seems to be, that the environment can change people physically, but not mentally or temperamentally?     That is total bu-llshiit.      You only need to look at animal sub species to see how your premise is wrong.     The species of Brown Bears and African Buffaloe have not only have sub species with identifiably different appearances, they have identifiably different temperaments as well.   Any kid with who passed high school genetics (did you fail that subject?) knows that if people can artificially breed savage dogs or placid dogs using genetics, nature can do exactly the same thing.

Maxx quote  It goes deeper than that for you bogan, and you simply do not understand it is white power over a group of people.

It can not be white power over other races, because you say that races do not exist.     You can not have it both ways.   You can not say that races do not exist, and then blame the white race for the dysfunctions of other races.

Maxx quote     Yes science is a human concept, but it works a hell of a lot better than racism.

If science says that human and animal sub species are different because of evolutionary adaptation to wildly differing environments, then pointing out racial differences is science. 

 Maxx quote  Those links showed that around 97 percent of all dna in humans are the same; hardly enough to classify anyone as a different race.

98% actually.    That is the most stu-pid argument that gets tossed at me on debate sites.     If there are 3 billion DNA strands in humans cells, then 2% of 3 billion makes 60 million differences.     That is a lot of difference.  

Maxx quote  Race is a species.

Once more for the dummies.    The word “race” in the English language has two meanings.    It can denote species (ie “the human race”) or I can mean sub species (ie the human races).     You are dishonestly claiming that the word “race” can only have one meaning.

Maxx quote  So you are not only saying that blacks are a different race, but a different species.

Complete rubbish.    Once again you are deliberately confusing species with sub species because you are trying to muddy the water.     

Maxx quote   Of course the reply i will get, is no, they are the same species but vastly inferior based upon the bell curve.

No, the reply that you will get is that races are different because just like in animals, sub species are different.    Breeds of dogs are different.   A Greyhound is not “superior” to a Kelpie just because it runs faster.      And a Kelpie is not “superior” to a Greyhound just because Kelpie’s are smart dogs who were bed to herd.      That is just how different breeds are.       But you don’t use Greyhounds to herd sheep, just because some loony leftist Canine Rights Organisation says that all dog breeds are equal.

Maxx quote  As for your last point, races exist, because those in power wish it to be, not because it has an actual biological meaning.

Races exist because of biological differences, so your statement is both illogical and puerile.

 Maxx quote  Do you seriously think blacks are denied jobs, nice houses, and other amenities because we look at them and say; I am not giving him a job, he is biologically different"? Nope, they deny them based on colour, and culture. 

Do you seriously think that the reason why Pit Bulls are not used as seeing eye dogs by Blind Associations worldwide, is because of canine discrimination?    Or, do you think that genetic differences might have a part to do with it? 

Maxx first i hope you have not suddenly decided to state there are sub species in humans again; for when i pointed out in another post that you said so, you denied it; however you now seem to reverse that.

Okay.   I warned you to not put your invented words in my mouth or I would put you on my troll list.     You must want for me to not debate with you since you have once again become dishonest and deceitful and did what I expressly told you not to do.     You got your wish.    Go and “debate” with Barnadot and Phite. 

Maxx quote  lactose intolerance is the inability to digest milk, and in asians or anyone else, it does not change or alter the digestive tract

 You asked if physical changes between sub species of humans occurred, and I gave you a good example.    An identifiable group of people who can digest bovine milk must obviously have different internal digestive structures to those groups of people who can digest milk.      Bantu people are the only people on earth who are immune to malaria so their immune system is different to others.   Same for those African people immune to tse tse fly infection.

Maxx quote  . also, if you wish to say that certain, physical differences, diet, culture, intelligence, then we whites are sub species among ourselves.

We are.    Slavic people with their high cheekbones are identifiably different to other whites.     Northern Europeans look identifiably different to Southern Europeans, who have darker skin because they live in sunnier environments.    According to geneticists, all humans today evolved from a group of 32 individuals in Africa, which just goes to show just how close the human race came to extinction.    Just like every other non sedentary organism, the progeny of these 32 people left Africa and spread out into other environments which were very much different from each other.     Each group of people then became more or less geographically isolated as they spread throughout the world, and settled into entirely new environments.        Over 200,000 years, they evolved away from each other in appearance at least, but not to the extent that they could not still interbreed with each other.     Anthropologists do not know exactly what our original species looked like, but they speculate that Kalahri Bushmen are the closest to the original.

Maxx quote  Also, that first original group whom you stated that we are sub species of, were black; Many of them did not even migrate but stayed put;

Even within Africa, there is much diversity of appearance between people who live in Africa.     Arabs look different to negroes.       Somalis are so inbred because of their geographic isolation, that they have a very distinctive appearance.  And that appearance is identifiably different from that of a Zulu or a Masai.      The late, great native American actor Wes Studi, who played native Americans of all tribes in many western movies, had facial features distinctive to native Americans from the Great Lakes area of the USA.

Maxx quote   in whose ancestors we enslaved,

Slavery was practiced by everyone, including black Africans themselves.    It was the socially advanced white race which first proposed that slavery was morally wrong, and who even fought wars with those people who wanted it to continue.      You should be proud of your race for that.

Maxx quote   One thing that i can not understand about you is one of your points at be racist to blacks dwells on their lower intelligence. so why should that bother you?

Racism is the opinion that what we call “races” are not equal.      Jews are then smartest race, followed by Asians, followed by whites, then Hispanics and then certain always dysfunctional races.    And gee willackers.   Whadyaknow?      That fact exactly mirrors the racial social layering within western societies.     Intelligent people do well in competitive societies while people with low IQ stay at the bottom forever.     Sadly, that is just reality, and reality can be a stubborn thing.     Unfortunately, we in the western world have bought into a false ideology, and our civilisation is crumbling because of it.    Prosperous societies are tolerant societies.    In our growing prosperity, we became convinced that all races were equal, so all should share in our prosperity.      So, we thought nothing of bringing people of all races into our generally peaceful societies.    Then we were horrified when our societies began to run off the rails through crime and political corruption.    Instead of just admitting that we were wrong, and that some races of people just could not make it in our completive society, (and some of them were extremely violent) we instead blamed ourselves and dreamed up more silly ideologies to try and make our original ideology or “all races are equal” work.       Unfortunately, corrupt politicians saw electoral advantage in blaming the white race for the dysfunctions of the always dysfunctional races.    This was to gain electoral support from the ever increasing numbers of dysfunctional races within western society, caused by birth rate differentials and unchecked legal and illegal immigration.       These corrupt politicians bought the votes of the violent low IQ races by demanding special privileges for them (DEI), and by providing welfare which was mainly funded by white people.

 Fifty years ago, Left wing people were the champions of free speech, now it is the Left which wants to censor everyone.    The reason why, is because the Left’s increasing electoral strength in our increasingly shaky democracies depends upon the continued immigration of dysfunctional races into western societies.     That is why the Left supports open borders into western countries.   And no one must be allowed to question whether the reason why some races are dysfunctional is because of traits intrinsic to themselves.           All dysfunctions must be blamed on white people.    In the UK recently, pro Palestinians ran around London screaming “Death to the Jews!” and “Kill those who insult Islam!” and the police stood watching them and did nothing.     But only a couple of weeks ago, a white UK man was jailed for two years for simply making stickers on his home computer (and putting them on objects in his local area) which read “It’s alright to be white.”     Western civilisation, your civilisation, is headed for the rocks unless people like your good self start thinking straight.   

 People can always be relied upon to think straight, when the world turns to shiit and they run out of excuses.      

Maxx quote  so it bothers you simply because whites do not want to accept their share of the blame? 

Your premise seems to be, (why don’t you just state it instead of implying it?) that white people are responsible for the dysfunctions of dysfunctional races?       That is a racist accusation towards white people.  Your people, and my people.    I resent your invalid racism, and I wonder how your thinking got so screwed up that you became a guilt ridden self flagellant?

Maxx quote   This is why you are racist,

So are you.   you are racist towards your own people, and you think that is fair and reasonable?    You have also said that you accept that some races have lower intelligence, which is also racist. So, drop the pretense that you are standing in front of chorus of singing angels preaching virtue to me.  

Maxx quote  …..because inferior races and or politicians are throwing around blame to everyone but themselves?

By George, I think you have got it.

Maxx quote  One, if racist, should be racist to a particular group of people; such as you say; blacks.

Racism is the conviction that races are not equal, which is very easy to prove to any person with triple digit IQ capable of critical thinking.    That races are not equal applies to all races, not just blacks.

Maxx quote  Forget the god damn blame; why are you racist to blacks? 

I am racist to all races, including my own.     All races are different.    I admit that Asians are smarter than whites, which is why they do better academically and professionally than northern and southern European whites.     Jews are the smartest race, but are also considered white.

Maxx quote  it can not be because of different chararistics,

Of course it can.   People from different races look different because they have different genetic characteristics.  Different races have different characteristics in the same way that dog breeds have different physical appearances and different physical characteristics.  Or, horse breeds have different physical appearances and different physical characteristics.     Would you enter a Clydesdale into a horse race just because you have an ideological ideal that “all horses are equal”? 

Maxx quote  ……     or i guess their color,…..

Colour can be a factor, although Indian people might be considered “black” and they are intelligent, probably because they have had the benefit of 5000 years of civilisation.    But most black races have measurably low bell curves of IQ, which accounts for why they are dysfunctional within competitive western societies. 

Maxx quote  …..or lactose intolerance,….

No, I don’t think that lactose intolerance has anything to do with IQ.    Asians are usually lactose intolerant and collectively, they are smarter than North or South European whites. 

Maxx quote  …..or their diet, right?

Malnutrition can have a very severe effect upon the developing intelligence of children which carries over into adulthood.   It was discovered that the reason why Welsh people from certain districts in Wales had such low IQ, was because of high lead levels in their natural, spring fed drinking water.   I have always wondered myself whether the fact that lead affects IQ applies to me.    My own public school of Plunket Street was investigated by visiting US Health Officials because it was within one of the busiest highway crossovers in Sydney, and when I was a kid, there was lead in car petrol.   The US health officials were so shocked at the atmospheric lead levels within the school that the State government immediately shut down my school and us kids were sent to other schools.  

Maxx quote     so it boils down to them being less intelligent, and prone to violence. am i correct? 

There you go, you are starting to think straight.   Obviously there were no high lead levels in your diet?  

Maxx quote   The first, is genetic, and there are plenty of people in this world just as .  so that leaves violence; in which stats show the most violent place in this world is south america, crime wise.

And so, if you keep importing violent, low IQ people from South America into the USA, what do you think is going to happen?     Surprise, surprise, it is already happening.      What I find amazing is that you seem to deny it? 

Maxx quote     You are also racist because blacks put the blame on whites, in which i believe and shown links to back up that most of it is.

Well, your links are pseudo science bu—llshiiit written by academics who seem to want to destroy their own democracies, because democracy is a real inconvenience to the sort of Brave New World that they want to create, with people like themselves at the top of the pyramid, telling the socially divided multicultural peasantry like you what to do.   

 If these people claim that white racism, discrimination, slavery, uncle Tom, and black Ghettoes explain away African dysfunction, then look at an example where those conditions do not apply, to see if that is valid?  

Exactly the same pattern of serious violent criminal behaviour by African descended people is now being recognized as a fact within Australia.  No slavery, no uncle Tom, only positive discrimination towards blacks, no black ghettoes, no criticism of black people allowed in the media under Section C of the Racial Discrimination Act.    So, I am not interested in reading some “scientific” bu-llshiit “explanation” from some leftist academic who has a vested interest in destroying his own community. 

When african people first arrived in Australia around 35 years ago, all of the "discrimination" was pro black and anti white.  The waiting list for public housing was 10 years, but with the arrival of African blcks, the Federal government sent agents into evey Australian city buying up commercially available houses from Real estate agents, which they then rented at a nominal rent to blacks, which they could easily afford from their generous welfare payments.   They also gave each African family AUS$15,000 dollars a a gift from Australian taxpayers, to purchase white gods and furniture.    The houses were purchased in a variety of working class suburbs so there idea of "black ghettoes" did not apply.  Government departments hired African blacks for plum government jobs as "diversity targets" which discriminated against non blacks.   What resulted?   

In Melbourne, Victoria, A Sunday Herald Sun survey of 400 cases at magistrates' courts across Melbourne found 14 per cent of offenders came from the Horn of Africa and the Middle East -- many of them refugees -- about 20 times the representative proportion of the population.     Somalis have five times the crime rate in Victoria and their unemployment rate is four times the national average.     Sudanese born people are 67 times more likely to be charged with aggravated robbery and 55 times more likely to be charged with riot and affray in Victoria than those born elsewhere, according to analysis released yesterday by the State's Crime Statistics Agency.      Figures for the last five years has shown that people from Sudan have consistently been among the top two or three places of birth for offenders charged with violent offences.  Sudanese born people were responsible for 1% of Victoria's crime despite being only 0.15% of the population.

 15 Africans were settled in the beautiful rural town of Tamworth, NSW, where they soon became such a pain in the arse that the Mayor of Tamworth pleaded to the Federal government to not settle any more Africans in Tamworth.      Youth worker Les Twentyman said while there were African gangs involved in crime and violence, there were also gangs from other ethnic origins such as Pacific Islanders and Lebanese. He said gangs were an escalating problem that would eventually lead to "no-go zones" everywhere if they were not properly addressed by police.    Meanwhile,  police spokespersons said that police were reluctant to work in areas with high proportions of African immigrants because they were worried about their own safety.   One senior Victoria Policeman warned the public that if they saw a group of young black African males on the street “do not make eye contact and go in the opposite direction.”

The incidences of black males engaging in home invasions at night became so serious that for one time in Melbourne, Victoria, it was impossible to buy a baseball bat from a sports store, because Australian men were buying them up to protect their families in their own homes from night marauding blacks.  

Your false premise, that whites are responsible for black dysfunction and violent criminality, is provably wrong in Australia.   So, you can tell your neo Marxist academics to stick their white blaming psuedo science up their arse.    

 Maxx quote   so we have three major reasons, intellect, violence and blame. however after reading your reply i do believe it is also political.

It is very political.     Left wing politicians and globalist elites, the same ones who blame whites for minority dysfunction, have  vested interest in importing as many dysfunctional ethnicities into the western democracies as they can to destroy the democracies they hate.   That is why they support open borders.     That is why they support restrictions on freedom of speech, to protect their new voter base from criticism, and to stop any talk about limiting dysfunctional minority immigration.  And as for the race baiting grifters, their entire grievance industry depends upon keeping white people like yourself in a state of guilt.  

Maxx quote  Do you think it is liberals fault that blacks are lower in intellect?

No.  And your point is…..?????

Maxx quote  Is it their fault, that low income blacks are prone to violence? No of course not.

It is the Liberals fault if they fail to recognise that races are different, and then blame white people for the dysfunctions of black people.

Maxx quote   So let me ask you something; if all liberals suddenly did not exist, and you have no political party to justify you racism, would you still be racist to blacks based on their violence, and their genetically lower intellect?

Racism is recognising the fact that races are not equal.     I would have no hostility to blacks if they just accepted white welfare with some gratitude, and just behaved themselves.    But if they persist in blaming my people for their genetic inheritance, and then riot and burn down their own neighborhoods to display their hatred of us, then of course I will get hostile towards them.   It is said that a white liberal is somebody “who has not been mugged by a black yet”  I can only conclude that that definition applies to you?    

 Maxx quote   one of your statements is pure bull.

Does that mean that you agree with everything I say except for one statement?   Okay, I think we are making progress.

Maxx quote   blacks should accept the welfare help of whites with gratitude?

According to an article I read and copied down called “Biting the Hand That Feeds Them,” approxiamately 40% of African-Americans are supported by American tax-payers. Their food, their medical care, their education, their clothes, their medicine, their transportation, their houses or apartments, are paid-for by the Government. Where does the Government get its money?    From white and Asian tax-payers.       Although African-Americans make-up about 13% of the American population, they are responsible for less than 2% of taxes. White, Asian, and Hispanic Americans are responsible for well over 97% of the tax base. In other words, Non black American workers "pay" for the housing, education, clothes, medicine, medical treatment, transportation, and entertainment costs of 40% of African-Americans (the "Ghetto Blacks").

 Maxx quote  Oh gee, thank you master, thank you suh this here bowl of grits means a lot to us po ol blacks. What century are you living in bogan? 

What planet are you living on Maxx?   Every black run country on Earth is a bankrupt sheethole living on UN welfare.    Who pays the money to the UN for black welfare?   It is not the Chinese, the Arabs, of the South Americans.   It is the good old white Europeans who are always the suckers paying the freight for the people who despise us.    The USA paid 10 times the amount China pays to WHO, but WHO was an apologist for China when that Chinese bio weapon lab in Wuhan created the virus which devastated the world.   Under white rule, Rhodesia was called “the breadbasket of Africa.”     Under black rule, it has become a food importer holding out the begging bowl for UN food aid.      Haiti is the longest existing black run country in the world, and it is such a sheethole, that every Haition dreams of fleeing to the USA to avail themselves white welfare benefits.  They don’t flee to the USA because they like Country and Western music.     Black run South Africa is the next failed state.    

Maxx quote  You also keep claiming my links are bull, by academics wanting  to destroy democracy. That is a cop out. They are well written, scientific reports based upon biology.

The proof is in the pudding, Maxx.     Australia is the perfect example of why their “science” is just neo-Marxist bu-llsheet.     It is just like Anthropogenic Climate Change.    Leftist academics can write as many “scientific” reports they like claiming that human CO2 emissions are soon going to destroy the earth.     But when these “experts” make all sorts of predictions about how the world will end in just a few years time, which never eventuates, then smart people start to figure out that these “scientific experts” do not have a single, solitary clue what they are talking about.    It is all politics and money.

Maxx quote   It is obvious we are not getting anywhere.

It is impossible to convince anyone of anything, no matter how obvious it is, if they just do not want to know.    You don’t want to know, maxx.      

Maxx quote  Yes we are all racist, however, many try to work at resolving some of the issues, instead of using it as a justification for discrimination.

Racism is simply the understanding that races are not equal.    How you intend to “resolve” that reality is beyond me? 

Maxx quote   I have sent numerous links, all based on biological facts, and it makes little sense to discredit or believe them simply because you do not like the evidence that they show.

If they tell me that white people are responsible for black dysfunction, then I know that they are bu-llsheet, and I have proven them wrong.

Maxx quote      Racism lies with the individual and it begins there.

I agree.    Blaming white people for black dysfunction is racism.     I just do not understand how you ever came to accept that racism against your own race is okay?    I suppose the neo-Marxist teachers now infesting every educational establishment in the western world did a great job brain washing you?    They taught you what to think, not how to think. 

Maxx quote   Yes those in power have the ability to use and control racism, but politic in itself is not racism.

Obviously, you are wrong.   Identity politics is racist politics.     Ensure brain is in gear before selecting "keyboard."

Maxx quote   We can erase all political parties entirely and racism will still exist and there will still be groups who can control it; mainly based on money and education.

Agreed.    And in the western world today, “groups” exist who use identity politics to gain social and financial advantages for their own dysfunctional races, who constitute their electoral support base.   This they do by dreaming up reasons why the white race is to blame for everything.  This is to create “white guilt”, which can be leveraged to get more money and power for themselves, and their electoral supporters.       And you fell for it.  Hook, line, and sinker.

Maxx quote   Politics is but an off-shoot of racism, a point of belief, yet again, it is in the individual. Sub race or not, the biology clearly shows there are more similarities in humans than differences.

There are more similarities in Brown bears, Grizzley bears, and Kodiak bears than differences, but they are identifiably different sub species with different appearances, intelligences, and behaviours.     Exactly the same principle works with humans.     We are mammals from the ape genus. 

Maxx quote   I guess you think that these sites are in the pockets of leftists, who make up this stuff just to irritate you. Tell me, is all science made up or just what you fail to believe in; and that kind of science is all liberal based.

Like everything else, science has evolved.     Science was once the plaything of “gentlemen”, usually very well off and well educated members of the upper class.  They could more or less get away with discovering scientific facts which the powers that be (the church and the establishment), did not want discovered.     By the middle of the 19th century, brilliant entrepreneurs like Edison and Tesla joined the ranks of scientists who not only were brilliant scientific minds, they also had brilliant commercial minds.   They could get away with stepping on Establishment toes because they were financial icons.     But today, science is mainly done by governments, and the rules of bureaucracy and politics now apply.     Don’t rock the financial or political boat, or you will not only lose your job, you will get cancelled and lose your career.    Example, Nobel laurate Charles Watson.    And now, internationally renowned and respected Psychologist Jordan Peterson.    Only find what the government purse string holders want you to find, and if you can’t find it, make it up and claim it is science.   We are living in an age where biological “scientists” are claiming that a biological man is a woman if he just wants to be.     And if you agree with that “science”, maxx, then those neo-Marxist teachers did a great job of destroying your capacity for critical thinking.

Factfinder quote  Yeah I know about the duel meanings attributed to the word though I sincerely appreciate the history lesson. Never thought about possible origins.

 Critical Race Theory posits that it was 19th century white Europeans who “invented” racism.      They think this rubbish because the 19th century was a time of great scientific advancement when science (which was then an almost wholly north European concept) actively investigated the physical differences between races.     These differences are screamingly obvious.    White north Europeans with white skin and blue eyes are better adapted to live in cold, low light conditions.     People with darker skin and darker eyes are better adapted to live in hotter, sunnier conditions.  The hotter and sunnier the environment, the darker the skin and the eyes.     Certain dark skinned races make superior runners and excel in sports involving running, but make poor swimmers.    Asians people although smarter than most, do not appear to be athletic at all.    They are conspicuously absent from Olympic level athletic and swimming competitions.  

Factfinder quote     Solid point. They are hypocrites. The thing I was thinking about though was the word 'breed' at the time I posted. We use that term whenever we talk about animals and their differences within the same species. Why didn't we just naturally adopt that for ourselves?

It is not considered polite.    But it is very relevant to how “breeds” of people differ in the same way as breeds of dogs, cats, horses, and cattle.   The term “breed” also relates to artificial breeding, and is not considered relevant to human breeding, which is supposedly “natural” breeding, even though it is not.   Men are sexually attracted to young breeding females with shining hair, good complexions, and adequate sexual attractions.     Rich men throughout the ages have monopolized the market in that particular resource.     Females are sexually attracted to alpha males anyway, and the display of the objects of status is important to rich men in attracting young breeding females.     Beautiful, lower caste young females can even become upwardly mobile because of their beauty.     Such females can, and do, attract very rich males of any age.      Full marks to 24 year old trailer trash Anna Nicole Smith (38-24-36) who married 84 year old Texas oil billionaire Howard Thurstin 111.     His death a few months later has been described by many unkind people as the perfect murder.     Then there was the death of the richest man in the world, 80 year old Nelson Rockefeller, who died in a New York hotel room in bed with his 22 year old “personal assistant.”      Rockefeller set the standard as to how all men want to die.    Rich men shagging numerous beautiful young women has resulted in the noted good looks of the upper classes, who have been described as “the beautiful people.”   That is artificial breeding, and why the upper blue blood classes are obsessed with “breeding” among themselves.  

 Factfinder quote    Instead it became politicized because of the term 'half breed'. But in the end that's what were talking about when talking about ethnic differences. We're talking different breeds. Why can't we just talk openly about the elephant in the room without self righteous judgments? 

 Because in a western world now ruined by multiculturalism, identity politics is the name of the game.  The new religion is human equality, and it is now heresy to state the obvious, that races are just not equal.     So, in order to placate the growing numbers of immigrants into western societies from races which are much more intrinsically violent than we are, and who have much lower collective “bell curve” of IQ than we do, we have to blame ourselves for their dysfunction.   We must not blame the dysfunctional races for their own genetic inheritance, as that is taboo.   It also brings to mind the excesses of the Nazi regime in Germany who not only understood the ramifications of racial differences (even though they screwed up with the Jews, who are the smartest race) , but who decided quite clinically that the situation in Europe could be remedied by ethnic cleansing using industrialised killing apparatus. 

Just how sensitive society is becoming to racism can best be displayed by Scotland.  Scotland parliament this week made it illegal for any person in Scotland to speak "hate speech" about any minority group, even in their own homes.  

maxx quote  no, racism is not the simple understanding that races are not equal; it is discrimination and prejudice against them because of it.

True.   There are two definitions of racism in the Oxford dictionary.   The one I used with you, was the one I thought was the most appropriate to the topic we were discussing.  

Maxx quote    Identity politics are and can be racist because the individuals who make up such parties are racist.

Which tends to display how even the so called ‘anti racists” are racists themselves.      Which caused me to one to wonder what all the fuss and virtue signaling is all about?     This is the question I pondered as a young man.    It was obvious to me that those most rabidly anti racist were exactly the same ones who were most rabidly anti white.   Faced with refusing to recognise that the real reason why some races are unable to prosper in a competitive European style society, was intrinsic to the genetic inheritance of those races, the white ‘Anti racists” could only blame their own race.    There was no other alternative.   So, they went into full mode condemning their own race.        And you agree with them?   Ama-a-a-azing.   It just goes to show how effective Operant Conditioning (brainwashing) can be. 

Maxx quote   Individuals can be biased and these writers of the links i posted, in which you claimed were leftists basically saying what the government tells them to; is nothing but a flawed assumption.

No, it is a realistic assumption.     You do not seem to understand how bureaucracies work?    Regardless of what a bureaucracy’s primary reason for creation was, bureaucracies always evolve to the point where the only thing that matters is the continued existence and prosperity of its members, especially those at the top.     That is why government NGO’s like the BBC lose all objectivity and become famously partisan.     Once the guys at the top figure out which party will support their bureaucracy’s expansion and prosperity, it will throw all of it’s considerable power into supporting that party.     Which is why such an internationally respected crime fighting bureaucracy such as the FBI, got so partisan, that it is protecting the Biden crime family by not investigating their screamingly obvious corruption, refusing to co-operate in Congressional investigations, actively hiding crucial evidence, engaging in political interference, and even spying on and persecuting the leading US Presidential candidate. 

Maxx quote  They are not even government funded, they are freelance.

There are private research laboratories associated with specific industries, but nobody but the government funds social scientists and climate scientists.    Once you take the government buck, you dance to their tune.   Professor Judith Curry was a scientist hailed by the alarmists as a gem because she wrote a scientific report, using statistics provided by other alarmists, which “proved” that human created CO2 was warming the planet.     She was criticised by a sceptic who said that the figures she based her conclusions on were fraudulent.    Because Professor Curry is a real scientist, she checked the figures she had been given and found out that the charge was true.     Much to the horror and anger of the alarmist side, Professor Curry then withdrew her own critically acclaimed scientific paper, and is now in the sceptic camp.     Professor Curry said that while governments lavishly fund the alarmist side, no government funds the sceptics. 

 Now, if you have a functioning brain, think about that?   There is a scientific dispute which has the most profound consequences for western prosperity and social stability, and only one side gets funded by governments?      It is the same for social sciences.   Scientists today in universities rely entirely upon government stipends to do their research.     If governments cut off the money supply, the scientist is out of a job.   This is an extremely effective way to censor science.       The latest western religion, is the religious belief that “all races are equal” which just happens to be easily disproven, using plain, common sense.       But nothing must be allowed to question this new religious orthodoxy.     In Scotland this week, the Scottish parliament actually made it illegal for any Scottish citizen to use “hate speech” criticising ethnic minorities, even privately in their own homes.    The Irish government is now trying to do the same thing.     We are getting to the point of Soviet style social control when western governments are even trying to censor private opinions of its own citizens, in their own homes.  And just like the Soviets, it is because it does not want it’s new political orthodoxy questioned or criticised.

Maxx quote   what you said to fact finder about it is bonkers and wrong about leftists saying there is one race, the human race is not true. there is but one human race today; regardless if it can be sub divided into cultural and physical characteristics.

(Sigh!)     We have been over this previously at least three times.      Please concentrate this time.   There are two definitions of the word “race” in the English language.    The first is singular, as in “the human race”, and the other is plural, as in ‘the human races.”     The second definition names a perfectly objective reality.  That is, that people who evolved separately in different parts of the world have been shaped by their environments to look differently from each other.    Such evolutionary differences are common with all living organisms which evolve separately within widely different environments.    Some species (i.e. polar bears) exist as a single species.     But most species have no defining species, even though their family species is recognised by name.    They exist entirely as sub species.    Humans are in that category.  

Maxx quote    Here, but i guess every link i post,\that you disagree with, you will decide, with out proof that they are all far left liberals. good lord.   There’s No Scientific Basis for Race—It's a Made-Up Label | National Geographic  -------Unequal by nature: a geneticist’s perspective on human differences | American Academy of Arts and Sciences (amacad.org)

No.    I am not interested in “debating” against a link I can not question.     Especially since I already know it is just liberal bu-llsheet.  Read it yourself and if you agree with what it says, post it up as your own argument.     Then I can have a lot of fun destroying its logic.     But the best argument about this, is that if races do not exist, why does the Left keep supporting the idea that certain races are "oppressed" and one race in particular are "oppressors?"   Either races exist, or they do not.  The Left wants it both ways.  

 Maxx quote  I can post link after link that  shows there is 95 to 99 percent of humans everywhere having the same genetic material than differences but i guess to you they are all liberals.

Since I have already addressed that point, and showed you that this means that there are 60 million differences between humans, it reinforces my perception that you never read past my first few sentences before you dive onto your keyboard to respond to my post with a sneery one paragraph.

Maxx quote  Just how much biology do you even know? It is not a redundant question, but a serious one.

I am an electrician from a very poor, single parent family who was poorly educated.    But even at school, something within me made me very interested in history, as well as social and political issues, and I have read very widely on a number of historical, social, and political subjects.     Which is why I write well and can write with authority on some subjects.  

Maxx quote  Did you have both bio 1 and 2 in college at least?

I never went to “college”.    But I do not have to be a frocked and diplomaed Biologist to think that any biologist who claims that a biological man can be a woman if he wants to, is just a brain dead cretin.   And if the same brain dead tells me that races do not exist, I would just love to debate the fool on that. 

Maxx quote  Do you have a scientific understanding of how humans are genetically based?

I don’t.  But Nobel Laureate James Watson, who was head of the prestigious Human Genome Project, sure does.     And he got sacked for simply saying  "....there is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so”   

Maxx quote    If not, i suggest you do an in-depth study on the human genome instead of relying upon your political ideologies as belief and proof. 

At least I know how to think, and I don’t have to dump endless links on my opponent as a substitute for doing any thinking, or to do any work myself.