GENOCIDE IS NEVER A SOLUTION ISREALi  BUTCHERS NEED TO BE REIGNED IN  AS THEY SLAUGHTER WOMEN AND CHILDREN UNDER THE RIDICULOUS PRETENCE THAT THEY'RE AFTER FREEDOM FIGHTERS



I don't agree with genocide that why

Most civilised countries don't like genocide either which is why the majority of civilised countries worlwide have protests weekly against the butchers of Israel

It's seems American hardliners christians fully support genocide as they hate Muslims .


Just a drop in the ocean of countries who dislike genocide , truly appaling Israel.attemting what Germany attempted on the Jew 

LONG LIVE PALESTINE 

Ukraine

On 2 November, the left-wing magazine Commons published an open letter from "Ukrainian researchers, artists, political and labour activists, members of civil society" expressing solidarity with Palestinians, and condemned Israel's actions in Gaza, Islamophobia and antisemitism. As of 27 December, the letter has 443 signatures.[239]

United Kingdom

In the weeks during Israel's counterattacks on Gaza, a number of pro-Palestine vigils, rallies and marches were held throughout the UK,[240][241] with the largest demonstrations held in London.[242] At least 300,000 protestors attended a pro-Palestinian march on 11 November, which made it one of the largest pro-Palestinian protests in the Western world since 7 October.[242]

Lawyers expressed concerns over war crimes committed by Israel,[243][244] and trade unions joined the calls for a ceasefire[245][246][247] — as did charities,[248][249] cultural figures[250][251] and religious leaders.[252][253]

Companies that supply arms to Israel were targeted,[254][255][256] along with other companies viewed as supporting Israel,[257][258] with boycotts, protests and blockades.

The official position of both the UK's main political parties, the ruling Conservatives and the opposition Labour, were supportive of Israel,[259][260] although there was dissent from politicians of both parties,[261][262] which was often met with punishment from party leaders.[263][264] A number of Labour politicians resigned from their roles or the party entirely in disagreement at the party's position.[265][266] Protests were directed at politicians,[267][268] particularly after a majority of Labour MPs abstained on a vote calling for a ceasefire.[269][270][271]

On 26 November, 60,000 marched in London to protest against a rise in antisemitic hate crimes from the war, making it the biggest protest against antisemitism since 1936.[272][273] In January 2024, thousands attended a pro-Israel rally in London to call for the release of all hostages from Gaza.[274] In March 2024, an estimated 400,000 people in London attended the tenth national march for Palestine since the war began

Greece

On 12 October, 200 demonstrators gathered at Syntagma Square in Athens to show solidarity with Palestine.[179] A day later, 2,000 protestors including Palestinians, members of Muslim communities, left-wing and anarchist groups marched towards the Israeli embassy.[180] On 29 October, a crowd of 5,000 demonstrated in Athens, calling for an end to the "Gaza massacre."[181]

Iceland

Pro-Palestinian protests were held at Austurvöllur in Reykjavík.[182][183]

Ireland

Thousands of people marched in cities and towns across Ireland, including Carlow, Cork, Dublin, Ennis, Galway and Limerick in support of Palestine and against Israel's attacks on Gaza and the continuing occupation of Palestine.[184][185] Residents of Ballina, the ancestral hometown of US president Joe Biden, splashed red paint and wrote "Genocide Joe" over a mural of the president's face.[186]

Italy

Thousands of pro-Palestinian demonstrators marched in Rome, carrying a large Palestinian flag and chanting slogans in support of Palestine.[180] On 17 November, a long Palestinian flag was hung from the Leaning Tower of Pisa during a pro-Palestinian protest in the city.[187] On 27 January 2024, In Milan, police clashed with pro-Palestinian protesters despite an official ban on protests on International Holocaust Remembrance Day.[

I support Israel because it has always been obvious to me just which side is the aggressor, and which side is the defender who just wants to be left alone.

In addition, while respect the Jews I really have nothing but contempt for Musloms, and Arabs in particular.   So far, around 230 Australians have been murdered by Muslims, no Australians have been murdered by Israelis

The Muslims are at present the most hated people on earth, and wherever they immigrate into they are a crime, welfare , and terrorism problem.

I know that the real reasons for Muslim.hatred of Israel.are hardly complimentary to Muslims.    They primarily hate Jews for no.other reason than because their prophet hated them.    And the reason why he hated them was because the Arabian Jews preferred to get beheaded than convert to Mohammads new religion.

In addition, the existence of a prosperous and advanced Israel is an glaring reminder to all Muslims that their own religion has failed to give them the sort of western prosperity that they crave.

Finally, just as in Orwell's book " 1984" the Muslim clergy need an enemy to blame for their own religiously ordained cultural dysfunction.





 

Argument Topic: Poor Muslims

According to a 2000 World Bank report, 29 out of 57 member countries of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) were classified as low-income.

Argument Topic: Muslim Poverty

Half of global poverty resides in the Muslim world while the Muslim population is 24% of the total global population.

Allah spits on Muslims.

ARGUMENT TOPIC : THOSE POOR MUSLIMS IF ONLY THEY LIVED IN THE US .....

@ZeusAres42

So is it accurate to say then that you are supporting Palestine the country and not hamas the islamic militant group?

Yes I abhor the slaughter of Palestinians under the ridiculous pretence that the Israelis goal Is the elimination of Hamas ,Hamas hold Israeli prisoners so therefore any attack on them will also kill or maim the prisoners.

The human rights abuses being carried out by Israel are appalling pretending they aren't happening is childish but typical of the rabid pro Israeli mob on here who vent their hatred of the Irish just as viciously as that against Palestinians. 

As an Irishman I'm used to vicious irrational anti Irish nonsense so I sympathise with Palestinians who suffer this vile hatred from a people you would think would know better.

Of course give a bit back and you're an antisemite that same old game is played all the time as a special pass is given for Jewish hate as they suffered in the past.

Back in the day I supported the IRA as we had no one else against British brutality or victimisation would you or others be any different? If so do tell?


THE TIMES OF ISRAEL AFTER ACE NETANYAHU VOWED TO CRUSH HAMAS AND THEYRE STILL GOING STRONG

Four-and-a-half months after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu declared war on Hamas, the terror group has yet to be destroyed.

@Joeseph ;

At least the Israelis are not dropping poisoned gas on them, as Saddam Hussein did to the Kurds, with nary a squeak of protest from Leftist clones like you

@ZeusAres42

The thing is it's easy to get caught up in the hysteria that is a part of war which leads to feigned understandings of the dynamics involved. 

Israel has been at war or under extreme threat since it's inception. Palestinian Arab 'refugees' either fled or actively supported invading Arabic and Islamic armies in all the Israeli Arab wars. Starting right after Israel declared independence in 1948. Per the 1947 British mandate the UN attempted to create a state for Israelis and a second one for the various tribes of Palestinian Arabs in the region with the support of most major governments. Once Israeli independence was declared though bands of Palestinians immediately started firing at Israel of which the other Arab nations joined in right after...

On November 29, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly adopted Resolution 181 (also known as the Partition Resolution) that would divide Great Britain’s former Palestinian mandate into Jewish and Arab states in May 1948. Under the resolution, the area of religious significance surrounding Jerusalem would remain under international control administered by the United Nations. The Palestinian Arabs refused to recognize this arrangement, which they regarded as favorable to the Jews and unfair to the Arab population that would remain in Jewish territory under the partition. The United States sought a middle way by supporting the United Nations resolution, but also encouraging negotiations between Arabs and Jews in the Middle East.

The United Nations resolution sparked conflict between Jewish and Arab groups within Palestine. Fighting began with attacks by irregular bands of Palestinian Arabs attached to local units of the Arab Liberation Army composed of volunteers from Palestine and neighboring Arab countries. These groups launched their attacks against Jewish cities, settlements, and armed forces. The Jewish forces were composed of the Haganah, the underground militia of the Jewish community in Palestine, and two small irregular groups, the Irgun, and LEHI. The goal of the Arabs was initially to block the Partition Resolution and to prevent the establishment of the Jewish state. The Jews, on the other hand, hoped to gain control over the territory allotted to them under the Partition Plan.

After Israel declared its independence on May 14, 1948, the fighting intensified with other Arab forces joining the Palestinian Arabs in attacking territory in the former Palestinian mandate. On the eve of May 14, the Arabs launched an air attack on Tel Aviv, which the Israelis resisted. This action was followed by the invasion of the former Palestinian mandate by Arab armies from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt. Saudi Arabia sent a formation that fought under the Egyptian command. British trained forces from Transjordan eventually intervened in the conflict, but only in areas that had been designated as part of the Arab state under the United Nations Partition Plan and the corpus separatum of Jerusalem. After tense early fighting, Israeli forces, now under joint command, were able to gain the offensive.

Though the United Nations brokered two cease-fires during the conflict, fighting continued into 1949. Israel and the Arab states did not reach any formal armistice agreements until February. Under separate agreements between Israel and the neighboring states of Egypt, Lebanon, Transjordan, and Syria, these bordering nations agreed to formal armistice lines. Israel gained some territory formerly granted to Palestinian Arabs under the United Nations resolution in 1947. Egypt and Jordan retained control over the Gaza Strip and the West Bank respectively. These armistice lines held until 1967. https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/arab-israeli-war

So it's obvious Israel wasn't interested in taking land from people, they were trying to survive while the Palestinians sighted with those trying to destroy her. Well they lost. In 1948, 1967, 1973, they all called for Israel's annihilation and lost. Israel signed treaties with the nations involved and were granted land they'd gained, called "the spoils of war". Israel demanded the land because it correctly realized the land initially granted to the Palestinians, were a haven for Palestinians to launch attacks on them and they proved to be a deadly enemy of Israel when they initiated an attack on them. So @ZeusAres42 is correct in labeling it Hamas/Palestinian war.

When we look back through time it's easy to see all along Israel has wanted to live in peace. Palestinians never wanted peace. Israel had found ways to prosper by figuring out things to sell that desert dwellers could really use and opening shops. Rather than staying nomadic. Then they began investing in desalination projects. Point being they made use of the environment they had. Arab Palestinians did not. Israel became prosperous, Palestinians did not; though since the 1947 mandated they could have accepted it and it would have given them the opportunity as well. But they did not. They made their choices. This war isn't about refugees, it's about what most all wars are about, money.

Since formal military operations proved unsuccessful countries began forming militias to fight proxy wars against Israel that use malicious and nefarious tactics. From constant propagandizing to elicit ignorant sympathy, to the most brutal attacks on Israeli civilians day or night. One example of deceptive propagandizing is  what's known as 'Al Aqsa Massacre' where Palestinians threw stones big enough to kill at jews who were praying because it was rumored the jews faithful were planning on setting the corner stone of their temple. Israeli security opened fire, riots broke out, many died. The Israeli security team knew what the Palestinians were planning and they knew the temple faithful wanted to place their corner stone there; but Israeli officials told them they couldn't. The faithful said okay but we will march with our stone till we get close and stop. The police also cleared the sight and path leading up to it of all stones but the Palestinians brought them in. Israeli investigation concluded the intent of bringing the stones by the Palestinians was to incite an international incident which it did accomplish, to make Israeli security forces look bad by using excessive force when they respond with weapons. Yes, all that death just for propaganda purposes, and it worked. UN condemned Israel's handling of the whole thing and didn't even consider the Palestinians actions as being provoking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_Temple_Mount_killings

Another incident propagandized is what's known as "The Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre".  Perpetrated by Baruch Kopel Goldstein.  An American born jew, far right nutcase who donned military fatigues and kill Palestinians worshiping  at a place called Cave of the Patriarchs.  In the name of the torah. And to this day the self willed gullible antisemites of the world will attribute the terrorist atrocity to Israel despite the Israeli government condemning it...

The international community and the Israeli government condemned the massacre.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein

Then of course we see with our own eyes repeatedly how Israel is consistently attacked and then villainized for retaliating.

Bogan said:

Yeah, you are correct, Joseph, the yanks helped Saddam in the Iran/ Iraq war.

The reasons why they did so was because.....
1.    The yanks hated the new Iranian regime for being such barbarians that they not only invaded the US embassy in Tehran, they subjected US diplomatic personnel to mock executions.
2.   They only helped that id- iot Saddam when it looked like Saddam was going to lose the war.  Having those Iranian ayatollahs in a position that they took over another oil rich state and were then in a position to threaten the entire Middle East was unacceptable.
3.    Letting Muslims kill each other off was not only a great idea, it kept the Iranian and Iraqi fruitcakes busy so that the rest of the world could live in peace.

Joey don't get facts and reality. He thinks winning  squabbles over potatoes in a potato field is the same as 'freedom fighting'. That's why Ireland today follows the crown of England's lead no matter what.  

@Factfinder

But that's actually you as you deny what's happening in front of your own eyes and I keep correcting  Bogan and you.

Amnesty say Genocide is happening its denial won't make facts go away


No one follows England's lead which is why they're not part of the European Union your st-pidity is startling even for a Yank ,but then again you did say the Vampire diaries was the greatest book ever written.

Also what sort of a man admits to the entire site his wife died an awful death from her addiction and what does Fact Denier do as she lies dying?

Cheats on her as he admitted yesterday " we all do it" ......what a guy.......

Joeseph said:

@Factfinder

But that's actually you as you deny what's happening in front of your own eyes and I keep correcting  Bogan and you.

Amnesty say Genocide is happening its denial won't make facts go away


No one follows England's lead which is why they're not part of the European Union your st-pidity is startling even for a Yank ,but then again you did say the Vampire diaries was the greatest book ever written.

Also what sort of a man admits to the entire site his wife died an awful death from her addiction and what does Fact Denier do as she lies dying?

Cheats on her as he admitted yesterday " we all do it" ......what a guy.......

This is why you always lose. I'm not denying what's happening. Low life scum called terrorist who like you admitted doing, are raping and torturing children as we speak. You glorify that and call yourselves 'freedom fighters' but the world sees you as panty waste.  https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-un-rape-oct7-hamas-gaza-fe1a35767a63666fe4dc1c97e397177e ; So in retaliation the heroic and forces of Israel are exterminating the cowards where they hide. Like the crown did your punk outfits and told you guys to stop sniveling over potatoes. You claim to be atheist but proudly boast of torturing women in the name of protestant, or did you murder for your fellow catholic worshipers? "Commander" LOL

Dying is a part of life and talking about it makes one a 'honest' man. Everyone knows why that's such a foreign concept to you though, shame. 

No I didn't cheat on her, I cared for her, another concept you're admitting you're clueless about. 

Read and learn joey, this is called honesty. I have cheated on someone though and it wasn't the proudest thing I ever done. Before I met my wife. Though your issue besides never posting the truth, could be the fact you had to fake a marriage cause no one would marry you.

UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The U.N. envoy focusing on sexual violence in conflict said in a new report Monday that there are “reasonable grounds” to believe Hamas committed rape, “sexualized torture,” and other cruel and inhumane treatment of women during its surprise attack in southern Israel on Oct. 7.

There are also “reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may be ongoing,” said Pramila Patten, who visited Israel and the West Bank from Jan. 29 to Feb. 14 with a nine-member technical team.

What joey calls 'freedom fighters'.

Argument Topic: "Freedom fighters" at work...

"Based on first-hand accounts of released hostages, she said the team “found clear and convincing information” that some women and children during their captivity were subjected to the same conflict-related sexual violence including rape and “sexualized torture.”https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-un-rape-oct7-hamas-gaza-fe1a35767a63666fe4dc1c97e397177e

Joeseph said:

@JulesKorngold

ARGUMENT TOPIC  : MORE TYPICAL US TRUMP STYLE DISHONESTY , JULES POSTS UP A LIST FROM 20OO 24 YEARS OUT OF DATE IN A DESPERATE ATTEMPT TO DEFEND HIS IRRATIONAL HATRED OF MUSLIMS......LETS SEE WHERE ISRAEL ARE IN THE TOP 10 WEALTHIEST NATIONS .........NOWHERE TO BE SEEN YET TWO MUSLIM COUNTRIES ARE IN THE TOP 10 .....ZING 

Israel isn't on this list either...https://www.aneki.com/poorest_middle_east.html#google_vignette ;

@Factfinder

Your hatred of the Irish is akin to the  hatred of your own kids of you after you openly bragged on  here about cheating on your wife as she was dying , what an all American hero folks .......

@Joeseph

Ah, b*tt hurt cause you lost again?

You claim to be atheist but proudly boast of torturing women in the name of protestant, or did you murder for your fellow catholic worshipers? "Commander" LOL

I'm all you think about. I always win and you always lose. That's because you lie all the time and you know I'm much smarter than you. 

Now joey you know I do not lie, I admit the fact of what Amnesty says is true. Scum vermin like you "commander" LOL attacked woman and children, killing raping and torturing and the righteous, brave Israeli military is exterminating them where they hide. Like you hid "commander" so like you, they are causing the deaths of innocents by their cowardly actions. 

Each time you post off top to insult me you lose again and again because you have no clue what's going on over there. 

@ZeusAres42

I'm curious as to what your position is. I get the gravity of the situation. Joey actually has a point that the amount of suffering of both  Palestinian and Jewish as well as those caught in the crossfire, is atrocious. But can we really expect Israel to live with a future of random bombings just because they live? Of course not. We don't live under such ominous threats, and they've played ball, tried to exists under the dictates of international law. Why should they? Because they chose wisely? 

ZeusAres42 said:

@Factfinder

I support Israel in their right to defend. The way in which they are doing/have done this I perhaps do not support so much. I have tried to get as much as possible some independent neutral unbiased backgroun info on this using AI sources, and Googling. It seems both parties are far from being innocent. Meanwhile, civilians are of course the most innocent, and they die or suffer needlessly.

Israel has committed actions in violation of international law. On the other hand, Hamas has done the same. Moreover, Hamas is now officially known worldwide as an Islamic militant group.

You're right. Israel has. And I suspect they'll fight tooth and nail to continue to survive. In the real world no one is ever completely right or wrong. You need to understand one thing though, Israel strives for the right, true and peaceful approach. If the rule of law means anything, Israel must succeed. We as a people and nation didn't want soviet missiles that can decimate cities along the east coast 90 miles away, so we didn't allow it, why should they? The world expects Israel to live under conditions no one could possibly endure for an infinite amount of time. Missiles can drop in your neighborhood at any time because they are so close, could you embellish life to it's fullest under those circumstances?  Palestinians are not just innocent bystanders. 

But in closing, yes bad things are being done by both sides. It's foolish to think any human endeavor can be guilt free. But the envious one is always the guilty one. Where matters of principle are concerned.

@Bogan


When allied armies marched into Germany, nobody said that we should stop and seek peace with Hitler because allied and axis civilians were dying in their thousands every day.    The only objective was to totally defeat the Nazi regime and either kill them all or capture them to bring them to justice.     I am at a loss to understand how you think it was okay for allies to do it to Germany, but not okay for the Israelis to do exactly the same thing.

Actually the objective was to subdue the Germans and not to totally  fine them out of existence,  you really ought to read an actual history book about how Stalin ruled out any of the sanctions the likes of the French wished to impose.on Germany.

The allies didnt want to engage in genocide of the German people Israel do want full reign to eliminate everry last Palestinian. You and others on here have glady applauded Israels worst excesses in this conflict and demand a total destruction of the Palestinian people,  not one of you are capable of offering up a peaceful solution as you all pretend that Israel are only intent on killing Hamas which we all know is utter nonsense.

If Hitler had promised that Germany would keep attacking other countries to gain lebenstraum for the German people, would you condemn the allies for finishing the job of exterminating the Nazis?

You're actually asking why Israel should not be given free reign to commit the genocide of a nation? Seriously? 

Even the US has said there is no way to solve Israels long term security issues and rebuild Gaza without Palestinian statehood Netanyahu rejects this idea totally as he wants the total elimination of Palestine and the Palestinians

To my ignorant brain it appears that the Israeli military, if anything, is extremely soft on terrorists and the population supporting the terrorists. Look at what any other country's military does when an armed group holds a population nearby hostage and launches regular attacks on it from its territory... Look at what the Russian military did to the Chechen rebels, or what the Chinese military did to the Uyghur rebels, or what the American military did to the Afghani attackers. The goals of all those operations were clear: complete obliteration of the targeted group, at a great civilian cost. That is the reality of the world: when you fight against the wolves, you have to fight like a wolf, or you will be a rabbit.

That Hamas still exists and controls large territories in Palestine nearly 2 decades after taking over there. This suggests to me that the Israeli government is letting the international pressure cloud its judgement, showing far more restraint than it should. It is failing its population.

I will add that few people who make big speeches on these issues have ever been in a situation where someone wanted to kill them. They have no idea what it is like to live with the neighbors who would celebrate it if they and their dear ones died. Saying that the Israeli actions are overly violent and oppressive is easy when you are laying on a comfortable couch in a safe first world country. Go to one of those hot regions and live there for a while, then come back and talk. I have lived in some really hot regions; I have lived in a country where two dominant populations were openly fighting each other and knife killings were commonplace. Those are not circumstances in which you get to reprimand police officers for carrying guns, or the military for destroying a few civilian houses. Those are circumstances in which being soft is a death sentence.

This reminds me of another discussion on a different websites nearly a decade ago, where someone seriously made a claim that if the police officers in Columbia did not carry guns, then the crime in Columbia would be as low as it is in the UK. I chuckled quite a bit then... Great idea, to have police officers in a country overrun by drug cartels and communist rebels with AK-74-s unarmed. Nothing can go wrong there, sure!
But the guy making the argument lived in the UK and genuinely thought that the UK experience was applicable to some of the roughest parts of the world. My recommendation was the same: for him to go to those parts and try to live an Englishman's everyday life there.

MayCaesar said:

To my ignorant brain it appears that the Israeli military, if anything, is extremely soft on terrorists and the population supporting the terrorists. Look at what any other country's military does when an armed group holds a population nearby hostage and launches regular attacks on it from its territory... Look at what the Russian military did to the Chechen rebels, or what the Chinese military did to the Uyghur rebels, or what the American military did to the Afghani attackers. The goals of all those operations were clear: complete obliteration of the targeted group, at a great civilian cost. That is the reality of the world: when you fight against the wolves, you have to fight like a wolf, or you will be a rabbit.

That Hamas still exists and controls large territories in Palestine nearly 2 decades after taking over there. This suggests to me that the Israeli government is letting the international pressure cloud its judgement, showing far more restraint than it should. It is failing its population.

I will add that few people who make big speeches on these issues have ever been in a situation where someone wanted to kill them. They have no idea what it is like to live with the neighbors who would celebrate it if they and their dear ones died. Saying that the Israeli actions are overly violent and oppressive is easy when you are laying on a comfortable couch in a safe first world country. Go to one of those hot regions and live there for a while, then come back and talk. I have lived in some really hot regions; I have lived in a country where two dominant populations were openly fighting each other and knife killings were commonplace. Those are not circumstances in which you get to reprimand police officers for carrying guns, or the military for destroying a few civilian houses. Those are circumstances in which being soft is a death sentence.

This reminds me of another discussion on a different websites nearly a decade ago, where someone seriously made a claim that if the police officers in Columbia did not carry guns, then the crime in Columbia would be as low as it is in the UK. I chuckled quite a bit then... Great idea, to have police officers in a country overrun by drug cartels and communist rebels with AK-74-s unarmed. Nothing can go wrong there, sure!
But the guy making the argument lived in the UK and genuinely thought that the UK experience was applicable to some of the roughest parts of the world. My recommendation was the same: for him to go to those parts and try to live an Englishman's everyday life there.

Exactly. And to elaborate on your point about the speech makers it's a common tactic to coin a phrase or repeat specific emotionally charged words like "genocide". But the fact is as you pointed out if that were the goal of Israel they'd done it long ago. No country has had to endure and restrain itself as much as them. Antisemites tried to destroy Israel from the very beginning. Through acts of war, terrorism, propaganda, deceit, doesn't matter. All the time world pressure continuously demands Israel remain constraint and content with being picked off here and there by their enemies from all sides where they live. Another good point you made. Israel is going after Hamas as they must and Hamas throws civilians in the line of fire to garner support. And the bigots and the gullible fall for it every time.

Meantime there is no pressure for criminal thug want to be militants to lay down their arms, to show restraint, not even when committing atrocious acts while proclaiming to commit genocide against Israel as soon as possible. Where's the international outcry against countries arming and training these gangs? Why is it so easy for bigoted types to dismiss or ignore the fact Hamas and others use civilians as shields after pulling off cowardly attacks like Oct. 7? I believe the reason why is because too many people of a nefarious character make too much off of it. These people like the vicious cycle of the current status quo. So they will never accept any peaceful solution no matter how fair it may be. Too much money to made from antisemitism to stop now. That's why the onus is on Israel to be restrained and not the one who cause all the deaths. And of course any mistake Israel makes is played up to the max while Hamas's malicious torture tactics of women and children are cheered as 'freedom fighting'.   

@Bogan

Can you please quote exactly where I said anything about not caring or being unfeeling towards the innocent civilians of Germany as I cannot find me having said that anywhere.

Factfinder said:

And to elaborate on your point about the speech makers it's a common tactic to coin a phrase or repeat specific emotionally charged words like "genocide". But the fact is as you pointed out if that were the goal of Israel they'd done it long ago.

@jack ;

The question aims to clarify the position of someone in a debate, specifically whether they support the state of Palestine itself rather than the militant group Hamas. It's important in discussions around complex geopolitical issues to make distinctions between support for a nation's people and its government or specific groups within that nation. This distinction helps clarify the nature of the support being expressed and avoids conflating the actions or ideologies of a group with the broader population.

With that in mind please try to address the content of the discussion like everyone else here or make another topic where you want to discuss me instead. My personal being is not relevant to the content of this discussion.

You already stated that you can't comment here. So be consistent your words and don't.

It's a very simple question. You may want to consult a grammar book regarding the foreward slash being used if it's that that is confusing you. Everyone else here thus far gets it and hence addressing it accordingly. It's only you who wants to discuss me.

The last I am going to say here with you. Not going to let this derail into some childish semantic debate. Be relevant or go elsewhere or be ignored by everyone. It's that simple. 

Argument Topic: Anyalyses of the Arguments present here thus far

1. Argument for Israel's Right to Defend: This argument emphasizes Israel's right to defend its citizens against attacks, criticizing tactics used by both sides. It condemns terrorist groups for endangering civilians, suggesting a moral high ground for Israel based on the right of self-defense. The logical structure hinges on the principle of self-defense but seems to overlook the complexity of what constitutes legitimate defense actions versus aggression. The factual accuracy depends on specific instances of conflict not detailed in the argument.

2. Criticism of Israel's Actions as Genocidal: This viewpoint accuses Israel of committing genocidal actions against Palestinians and points to global protests against Israel's policies. The argument uses strong moral condemnation and appeals to global opinion. The use of "genocide" is a heavy accusation that requires specific evidence to uphold in terms of factual accuracy. The argument appeals to emotion and global consensus but appears to lack detailed evidence to support the claim of genocide.

3. Support for Israel and Criticism of Islamic Countries: This stance supports Israel, attributing aggression to Palestine/Hamas, and criticizes Islamic countries for their stance on Israel. The argument seems to rely on political and religious affiliations to frame the conflict, which serves to oversimplify the issues at hand. While it points to geopolitical dynamics, it seems to fall into the fallacy of ad hominem by attacking countries' stances rather than addressing specific actions or policies.

Each argument presents a perspective that contributes to the broader debate on the Israeli and Palestine/Hamas conflict. However, they all would benefit from a more nuanced consideration of the complex historical, political, and social factors involved in the conflict. Additionally, ensuring factual accuracy and avoiding logical fallacies like oversimplification and ad hominem attacks could strengthen these arguments.

Bogan said:

@ZeusAres42. 

The contr

adiction in your logic, that I was pointing out, Zeus, was that if your belief that the Israelis should stop eradicating HAMAS because of civilian casualties, then applying the same logic to Nazi Germany would not make sense.

" Moderation in war is imbecility"-'------Clausenwitz. 

@Bogan

Again please quote exactly where I state Israel should stop eradicating hamas as I can't find myself having said that anywhere.

Alternatively please address the comments I actually made as opposed to made up ones.