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https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
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Oh, ok.
“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain .” - Benjamin Franklin So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.
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It takes a lot for someone to admit they are wrong, so you get super bonus kudos from me.
if you’re interested in asking any specific questions, feel free to do it in the open, or send me a PM; I'll be more than happy to answer.
I'm actually a nice guy :P
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The first post of mine in this forum is probably the best general Scientific argument to demonstrate the spherical earth, but a number of the details are summarized: like I said, I’d be happy to go through any; and give you some really basic examples of experiments you can do at home, or in science class.
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Say what?
I mean that's fine, we can only go by what we seen, and what the Bible (what's left of it) reveals, and we get a petty good idea! But you don't actually believe the earth is a globe do you?
That NASA, CERN, LHC. UN, are actually real organizations involved in what they make us believe they are involved in, .. do you?
So what "other" topics are you interested in @SilverishGoldNova , .. can you share that with us?
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https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/earth/does-bible-teach-earth-flat/
“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain .” - Benjamin Franklin So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.
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https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
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The balloon expanded to 40 feet, of course, evidenced by another cameraman videoing this one. Just like all the satellites, the space shuttles, the moon take off, there is always a second cameraman there to witness the events.
From the info collected on the space shuttles, the U-2 Spy planes etc. It looks like we been lied to about the air/oxygen being lighter as we go up, but looks like it goes all the way to the dome. Only Luke Skywalker flies in space, the lies are revealing themselves as people's eyes are being opened.
Oh, and my 'satellite' cell phone reception weakens within a few miles in any direction, but NASA can remotely control a robot on Mars, and receive images from it, .. LOL.
Besides, I wouldn't trust ANYTHING NASA weatherman say, or pictures they show.
You can invert a photo and have the President look like he is pledging with his left hand.
http://wafflesatnoon.com/does-this-photo-show-the-obamas-doing-a-left-handed-flag-salute/
Nice try. We know that Everything NASA and partners say is a lie!
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Argument by assertion for the second.
No evidence for number 3. It does not always weaken in any direction. This does not debunk my point. Straw man.
Again a straw man fallacy.
Argument by assertion again.
You did not even attempt to debunk the hurricanes part or @Gooberrys or @qipwbdeos. If you want, I will go into more detail on the fallacies.
“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain .” - Benjamin Franklin So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.
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Hey @SilverishGoldNova what convinced you? Can you refer to that post, or topic?
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As long as we don't mess with your Religious beliefs, .. you know, that "Religious blind-faith".
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“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain .” - Benjamin Franklin So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.
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Here is the Big Bang story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
Here is what they won't admit their Radio/microwave telescope is actually picking up which they claim is some "redshift", like the taillights on a truck that's going away from us.
I mean to compare sound traveling through air (Doppler effect) with the millions of different, shapes, color (some red, some pink, some yellow and some blue), distance, of stars supposedly traveling through a vacuum is totally ridiculous, which is why they use it. People can understand seeing the tail lights of a firetruck going away from them being red (redshifting} so like everything about the cartoon sci-fi space, they use simple everyday instances to brainwash us already stupefied sheep.
Is it possible that the Radio Telescope picked up these powerful sounds from HAARP which they use (well they have to make up something) to prove some background radiation going back 13.75 BILLION years?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program
I mean NASA owns the banks, so they actually own all money on earth. It's like having everyone's money in their wallet stuck in their back pocket, and can use as much of it, and at any time they wish, and spending on Star Trek space toys (shooting up rockets, building ancient religious star gates like the LHC etc.), well there is no limit on that. Anything to keep people acknowledging God being the Creator!
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"I mean NASA owns the banks,"
What? Do you have evidence for that.
Also you did not really refute anything unless it was in the video I cannot watch on my school computer. You seem to be making only claims.
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Yes, very anti-Christian, anti-organized Religion because I believe in God, not what the Christian Religion teaches, that God is Lucifer their sun-god.
Not-Christian- get out while there is time!!!
Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
The RCC under the pagan gods worshipping Emperor Constantine is the founder of the plural multi-gods Christian Religion and the Trinity-Doctrine.
Get out of her my people, Christ is calling you back to before this bloody Christian Religion, to “the Way”, for Jesus said: “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life” NOT the Christian Religion and its tens of thousands of denominations.
Acts 19:3 And about that time there arose a great commotion about “the Way”.
Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
The Believers were first called Christian in Antioch, as a soft mockery similar to how we refer to some people as “Goodie Two Shoes”.
The definition of a goody two shoes is a person who always does everything right and always follows the rules, so much so that it becomes annoying.
Here we see King Agrippa sort of mocking Paul:
Acts 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.
And here we see how annoying it started to become to the Early Believers, or Disciples, those who were of “the Way”.
1 Peter 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
Acts 9:2 and asked letters from him to the synagogues of Damascus, so that if he found any
who were of the Way, whether men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem.
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Look buddy, the Catholics under Constantine created the "Christian Religion" as i shown above, and they took Bible God and made him into their sun-god Lucifer.
Now look how supposed "science" is celebrating these same deities! Here is a little on what this Globe Earth, space, planets etc. is really about, which originates from the Catholic Invented Christian Religion (Their use of the Bible is what keeps people coming back, but they hate everything the Bible and Jesus stood for. In other words, they HATE God!)
Here is the so called Christian Religion revealed:
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What are they picking and do you have evidence.
Again irrelevant. Do you know the difference between radio and other waves?
Do they own all banks? No. You just assert that it is true.
You also do not even try and counter the first part of the post or the man with the ballon. If you can not, it is not acceptable.
“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain .” - Benjamin Franklin So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.
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:edit, not as weak as your arguments were for a spherical earth! that was hilarious! <span></span>
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
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There are so many more ways you can prove to yourself the Earth is round. You can see more things the higher up you are.
This is a result of perspective. You are jumping to conclusions and assuming that if you get high enough to see over any of the very many obstructions in the real world, that the earth must be a ball. This is an asinine argument that ignore even the very many basics of human vision and it's limits.
"Long suspension bridges’ towers slope slightly away from one another to account for the curvature of the Earth. "
Is there any evidence for this claim? If not, it is a bare assertion.
"Every other planet is a spinning sphere."
Another bare assertion, also a strawman that assumes the conclusion, and heliocentrism.
" Satellites exist (as proven by the existence of your iPhone),"
This is a non-sequitor. It is common knowledge that there exist what is commonly known as cell phone towers, as i am not close to any at the moment, i have a shoddy service. if your argument held any truth, this would not be the case. Your argument is similar to the familiar argument for theism: "God is real because we exist."
"and obey rules that only work if they’re orbiting around Earth. "
Bare assertion. what "rules" do satellites have to follow, aside from rarely if ever tearing up? I have to manually reset my router and modem a few times per month!
"We’ve taken many, many pictures of Earth. Buy a weather balloon and strap a camera to it."
Lmao, and @silverishgoldnova lies and says these arguments convinces him! You guys sure know how to debate! You've just proved that the earth is shaped like a Pringles chip! These were taken from what appears to be a modest 40,000 feet!
Convex earth.
Concave earth.
"Satellites have to exist for the internet to work."
Another bare assertion or assumption. 99% of the world's information is run through fiber optics, under the seas.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.newsweek.com/undersea-cables-transport-99-percent-international-communications-319072?amp=1
So your statement is false altogether. As it turns out, humorously, the internet wouldn't exist if it weren't for them! Where are the satellites?
" The TV would not be here without relativity which involves gravity. "
Ok, now that one is just nonsense. An assumption, based off another, based off of conjecture. This is at the point, an unevidenced argument.
"The ISS exists because you can clearly see it if it goes above your location."
Something is up there, but we can barely see a plane go overhead at just 7 miles away, and you think we can see something a bit larger from 250 miles away? Illogical, and denies even common sense laws of human vision.
" You can easily watch the youtube live stream from the ISS. "
You aren't one of those that bbelieves everything he see on Tv?
"Hurricanes, cyclones, and typhoons are all the same thing: Spinning masses of air sucking moisture from the ocean, dumping it back on us and destroying things in their path. A hurricane is just a giant wind drain—a low-pressure center with winds flushing into it. The wind always blows counter-clockwise inwards in Northern Hemisphere hurricanes—check out this picture of Hurricane Katrina and the United States. Notice the direction the wind is traveling with a compass, depending on where the Hurricane is."
However, in the Southern Hemisphere, the wind travels the opposite direction. Here’s a picture of Hurricane Catarina, a very rare Southern Hemisphere Atlantic Hurricane:
Notice that Catarina is very clearly spinning in the opposite direction. That’s because of the Coriolis effect—the wind changes direction as the planet spins. If the Earth wasn’t spinning, the wind should blow straight into the middle of the hurricane from all directions. But the Earth spins faster at the equator than at the poles, because our planet’s midsection has the furthest distance to travel with each rotation. Winds traveling northwards or southwards curve as they travel from slower spinning to faster spinning regions of the planet. The wind carves the opposite direction based on whether you are above or below the equator since the Earth’s rotation gets slower on alternate sides. "
This argument also make a bountiful amount of assumptions. Specifically that the earth is a spinning ball (imagine that) this effect is just a natural property of moving water, and the correlation between that water and a close sun and moon.
"You can recreate this by spinning a basketball on your finger, and moving a marker from the bottom up or the top down—notice what the line looks like above and below the middle of the ball."
Sorry, you thought experiment doesn't explain the coriolis effect.
Okay, let’s try to explain all that with a flat Earth. If Earth was a giant spinning plate with the North Pole at its center,
Fail. Don't try to explain something you haven't researched properly. The earth isn't moving.
"all hurricanes should spin in the same direction and should have a much more spiral shape the further south (i.e., away from the center) you head. You could maybe slow down the spins further from the center of the spinning plate, but then you should see the continents ripping apart from the different speeds. It just doesn’t make any sense."
... because you haven't explored any alternatives to the conjecture you parrot.
"Look at this, a guy sent a camera to space and the Earth is round: https://www.geek.com/geek-cetera/homemade-spacecraft-reaches-100000-ft-films-the-whole-way-1287792/.
The video proves why the Coriolis effect is real and is dictated by hemisphere. The important parts are from 1:44-5:35. It has a controlled experiment. At the end, it explains why there is a difference between hemispheres. It works because it does. To understand this, think of a pool at the geographic poles. It is stationary relative to Earth, but every sidereal day, it is actually completing one full rotation. The part further away from the pole and closer to the equator move faster because it has to complete a larger movement in the same amount of time (that is why rockets are launched closer to the equator. When the plug is pulled (part of the experiment) everything is moving toward the drain in the middle. The far side is faster so it gets ahead while the slower part is too slow so it lags behind.
But this so called effect is totally ignored by the other various things that travel in the air over this alleged spinning surface like planes?
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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@SilverishGoldNova I understand your frustration, it's because there are many things we don't understand about the New Earth that we actually always lived on, so these guys can twist and turn you with mathematics and irrelevant mentions of things we really can't go out and check.
For me, one of the biggest LOL's of the Globetard Earth is the water.
I don't care how big a ball is, if water is spinning at a thousand miles per hour by the equator, it would pull all the water to it within a day. It would be a chaotic event, with earth looking like Saturn with the oceans frozen in rings around it. .. and now put this in the vacuum of space, well the earth would be frozen in minutes, NOT accumulate steam as the earth cooled over the millions and billions of years in this expanding vacuum.
Can you imagine a hot rock cooling in a frozen vacuum chamber? You think it could accumulate the moisture around it?
Didn't you see what happens to cup of water in a vacuum chamber?
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With the video you try and dodge the topic and avoid looking at the evidence. The lense causes distortion along the standard framework that is expected; it curves the horizon depending on where it is in relation to the centre of the frame. However when it is in the centre of the frame there is no distortion and the horizon is still curved - check out 1:58 to 1:59 frame by frame and you'll see this.
It's actually a little below the centre there so if it were a straight line it should actually look a little concave. In fact it's still convex because the earth is a sphere and thus the horizon appears curved once you account for any distortion.
Also your logic of some things on TV are fake therefore the ISS is fake. doesn't hold water for even a moment because the premise does not support the conclusion (e.g. some things are also real!)
Your statement of "This argument also make a bountiful amount of assumptions. Specifically that the earth is a spinning ball (imagine that) this effect is just a natural property of moving water, and the correlation between that water and a close sun and moon" is nonsense. To test a scientific theory you make a hypothesis based on certain assumptions, test it and see the results. If your results support your hypothesis, that's evidence that your assumptions are right. So for instance people make assumptions about what would happen if all our assumptions about the spherical earth and physics are true; there would be the Coriolis effect which would have certain visible effects and tendencies on the earth like the rotation of storms, and then look to see if their predictions occur. These predictions occur so it supports the assumptions.
Any hypothesis is based upon assumptions which you test to verify, that's the nature of the scientific method.
"But this so called effect is totally ignored by the other various things that travel in the air over this alleged spinning surface like planes?"
Literally no-one has claimed that.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
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1. I think my point went a bit over your head. Just because I changed my position does not mean it must be because I was afraid of ridicule, I mean, think of Cov and Wake.
2. Can you explain exactly what was wrong with Goober's posts that you apparently deleted 4 times before deleting the entire thread?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
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Bare assertion. You can see it. How am I jumping to conclusions? I do not. Please explain. Also, I do not get why you only accept some science.
Evidence for that: http://www.wowreally.blog/2006/10/high-and-wide.html, http://mathscinotes.com/2017/01/effect-of-earths-curvature-on-suspension-bridge-dimensions/, I also linked this in a previous debate to prove it
No, not an assertion, we see other planets as spheres. If we saw a flat one, it would be more believable for the Earth to be flat. Not a straw man because there were no previous arguments to misrepresent. A straw man is exaggerating, misrepresenting, or just completely fabricating someone's argument, it's much easier to present your own position as being reasonable, but this kind of dishonesty serves to undermine honest rational debate. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman. You manually reset your router is irrelevant and a false comparison fallacy. Here, it obeys Kepler's laws of motion. I actually did a school science fair project on things in orbit. http://howthingsfly.si.edu/flight-dynamics/kepler’s-laws-orbital-motion. https://www.mtholyoke.edu/courses/mdyar/ast223/orbits/orb_lect.html.
So, you show a picture of the round Earth, deny it, and then cherry pick data. Nice! Ok, only a part of the internet is with satellites. However, sometimes it does use satellites. The part that describes it in this video: from 2:10 to 2:25. So no, not an assertion. The rest is meaningless since I debunked what you said.
Relativity has been proved over and over again. Here are the tests of proof: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_general_relativity, https://www.space.com/37018-solar-eclipse-proved-einstein-relativity-right.html, and https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/deep-space/a6175/5-recent-tests-that-prove-einstein-right/. You can see the ISS, https://spotthestation.nasa.gov/sightings/, and https://spotthestation.nasa.gov. Oh wait, you do not trust NASA so here have a different source https://www.space.com/34650-track-astronauts-space-new-interactive-map.html. That picture does not prove your point because the live stream is from the ISS. Straw man fallacy. I do not believe everything I see on TV. It needs to be tested first.
No argument again. Just say "full of assumptions". Does not mention what they are. I just said that this is explained by the heliocentric model. You did not even try and counter what I said.
Please explain why it does not instead of just saying it does not. The second part, you came in and said the Earth is flat so this is wrong. Again, a fallacy. I did do research. Bare assertion.
Please try and counter the first part. I have explored alternatives and they do not work. Ad-hominem fallacy for calling me a parrot. Ha, you did not counter the link and the video.
Again you did not counter! Wait, a hurricane travels in the air? The experiment proved it.
Fallacy. Ad-hominem to be precise. Yes, I could but do not want to. It is fun when it is with multiple people.
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Oh, and if you disagree with us, you're probably a secret flat Earther who doesn't want to admit it. And if you used to believe in the FE but don't know, you're either a or a shill.
But I think Goober explained it better.
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who you feel cannot be reasoned with, perhaps it is your reasoning, rather than that they cannot be reasoned with.
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Where?
When?
What was the proof?
Given that you have obviously been following my posts in great detail, and that we both know there has not been one single post where you have even TRIED to demonstrate that I have been lying about any material fact: the idea that me lying is “proven”, is one of your many, many attempts to act as if saying something is true makes it true.
Pay close attention:
No such “proofs” exist, there are no such posts that have been made, nor will you be able to cite any, as they do not exist.
As this proof does not exist, and you know it doesn’t exist (because you never provided it), you have either knowingly claimed something is true which is not; OR you have issues with delusional thinking (not being able to separate fact from fiction).
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debra
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I guess I'll just wait for Erf to post his set of arguments, in the mean time, here is a random post.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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And yes, I made it. Just now.
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“This is a result of perspective. You are jumping to conclusions and assuming that if you get high enough to see over any of the very many obstructions in the real world, that the earth must be a ball. This is an asinine argument that ignore even the very many basics of human vision and it's limits.”
This is a throw away explanation, combined with ad-hominem attack that doesn’t account for any of the observations, and simply dismissed the argument for no reason:
1.) The limits of human vision are irrelevant if how far you can see is dependent on how high you are, rather than always the same distance. Importantly, in most examples observations of objects can be done with cameras and telescopes: complete unrelated to vision issues.
2.) When asserting that all distance vs height are concerning with perspective and being able to see over obstruction appears to deliberately and strangely “forget” key pieces of information: such as that we can see further out over a sea you claim is flat (and thus can’t have obstructions), or that you can see further even if you are already much higher than local the highest local obstructions.
3.) your argument is minimal and throw away. There is no example illustrating the point, no mathematics proving it is correct with so little and such a basic explanation that if it’s caused by perspective we effectively have to take your word for it.
Given the above 3 points; it’s clear you have no argument to refute his claims, at best you have a throwaway assertion you can’t show and haven’t bothered to try.
You have, however decided to resort to insults twice, specifically claiming he was making “assertions”, and “asanine” arguments: this is so obviously and demonstrably what you’re doing that it appears this is projection at best, and flat out hypocrisy at worst.
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Gotcha! I hate to say it, but they broke you man.
Oh, and goober is/was showing stalker like behavior. Which is against Tos.
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Good luck with your campaign, Erik! Also, I left you a debate challenge in the Space community, feel free to accept it, if you don't plan to accept it then I guess I'll continue working on my arguments but I can post them here too.
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“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain .” - Benjamin Franklin So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.
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And in the same breath as you make this accusation you don't reply to my direct rebuttals of your argument - dodging points that to directly impact your argument and show it to be false.
Back up your argument or stop making up excuses.
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