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"Choose God out of love, or be punished for eternity". Some love it is...
The way you guys talk makes Satan look like a hero and God like an oppressive tyrant. In this context, Adam and Eve's choice to pursue their own goals was the first act of civil disobedience in the history of humanity. If the God is indeed the primal being out there, then they will probably be punished - but human history shows that no tyrant rules forever, and God's days of reckoning will come as well. And if the God is merely an impostor and herself is a creation of something higher, then obviously Adam and Eve will go to a very nice place, while the God will probably be put through a long rehabilitation process so she can reflect on some of the things she did.
I am not religious, and you have no idea how strange these authoritarian values look from the outside. This praise of god for punishing people makes Stalin's Soviet Union look like a land of the free.
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I do not worship the US government either. That said, the US government, at least, does not condemn the entire species for one person picking one apple from a tree and eating it.
Satan does seem to be a hero, or, at the very least, the lesser evil of the two, based on what Christianity states. Lying is not the end of the world; everybody lies. I can survive a lie, while I certainly cannot survive a guillotine.
I do not believe in either the God or the Satan. I am just suggesting a more reasonable interpretation of the stories from the Bible, than the "official" version pushed by the church.
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Which would surely make any rational being question what crime is so great that it merits an eternity in Hell?
Then another simple question if Jesus died for our sins why would someone be sent to Hell?
Finally if I as a mere human being can forgive others how does an “all loving “ god not? I’m by far morally superior to your god
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His Majesty Dee , you’re stating the obvious now
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where did I say he did?
****and since as you being an expert on it, you should know that; as well satan him-self gets thrown into the lake of fire
Where did I say he didn’t? I am indeed an authority on it and indeed on most subjects
****of course if one looks far enough back in the earliest translations of the bible, eventually even the wicked will be released from hell but church leaders took that out because they feared people would sin because they would know their suffering would not last
Where does it state this?
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You don’t know the meaning of the word research it’s an alien concept to you
****I will however enclose a link about what the earliest church leaders believed.
I care not as you seem to be arguing with yourself regards arguments I never made . Are you mentally unwell?
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Again I disagree
****yes I am sure that you can bring up the word eternity in the bible but you should know by your own self possessed knowledge that translations can mean many things
Then they’re not accurate translations
**** and that the church leaders used forever in an attempt to scare and coerce people into staying holy
Read a Bible
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"......….Heaven, or the lake of fire"?
Well, I guess we'll have to wait for the next episode to be written. It's all up to the imagination of the authors. That's the thing with fiction, writers can make up their own endings …. the big "twist".
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*****read the link and see for yourself.
Why would I read a link , I only need refer to what you’ve never read as in the Bible
****read the tyndale bible .
Funny
****I said the EARLIEST church leaders. the ones who decided what when in and what was to be left out. since you disagree, then apparently you are not as well-versed in the compilation of the original books of the bible as you lead people to believe.
I’m quoting the Bible as it was originally written you clot
****in this matter your majesty, you are incorrect and you are just to vain to admit it.
I’m afraid your wrong yet again you really need to stop copy and pasting others peoples views
****hell was once considered by the church leaders as a place of punishment until the sinners reformed enough to be released .
Was it indeed ? So what?
Here is what you said ...... *****however you cling to a certain theme in your answers as to why god would punish people forever if he is an all loving god. the answer is( if we are to assume for the sake of the debate than he is real) he does not.
Well according to god himself he does but then again you wouldn’t know that , have a look at how many times “eternal” is mentioned you clown , I can give you yet more verses as I know you will stupidly now come up with another pile of B S like you do every time I attempt to educate you ....
7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
50 and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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****you simply can not debate with out name calling.
I didn’t call you a derogatory name I called you a clot this is a statement of fact , facts are alien territory to you
****really shows intelligence.
Indeed calling things as they are demonstrates intelligence , thank you
****eternal stems from the words kolasis aionios which mean to inflict punishment for wrong doing. basically it means to chastise someone with remidial punishment until one rehabilitates.
Nonsense , what apologetic site did you get that from?
****unless you understand that so many words in the bible can easily be mistaken for a word close to iot or one with different meaning,
Nonsense , it’s funny how any negative traits applied to god are “mistranslations” but positive ones are accepted
***then your so called expertise fails. you are beginning to believe your own fallacy.
My expertise is spot on as usual
****yes god says eternal .
Ha , Ha , I know and you’ve just defeated your own argument well done
***but the bible was written by men and changed in so many ways since it was once written that there are so many parts of it that simply does not resemble what it originally was.
You mean like god saying eternal?
***/there are many many errors in todays bible and as well many errors and down right fabrications in some of the translations; you seem to know that yet here you are, steadfastly adamant that the word eternal did not originally mean something else when first written
Yet you said god said eternal beaten again by your own stupidity
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****
I agree, I never said your god was loving quiet the opposite in fact as your god is the essence of evil according to the Bible
***/ God is is spoken hundreds of times as being good and righteous.
Yet he murders , maims and tortures his creations
He certainly is as he says one thing and does another , I hold myself to a higher standard than a god that destroys 25 million of his subjects (low estimate)
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It's like arguing if the hood of little red riding hood was really red or actually burgundy...
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****you are plain .
Says a dummy who thinks raw rabbit skin cures cancer ......You said ..... . yes god says eternal .....your own words dumbass remember?
***wish there was an iq test to allow individuals to be on here so you would be forced to leave;
So do I as it would certainly find you out a nut who believes Atlantis was destroyed with a death ray because Cayce said so
***/you contradict yourself so many times that you fail to realize what you claim any more, and perhaps you should join an old hens gossip site or a high school debate team, both are just as immature as you are.
You stated Hell was not for eternity then said it was because .....god said so Bwaaaaaaahahahahahaha
***/provided you a link and can provide more yet you refuse to read the let alone believe something that will shatter any kind of belief that you have in that acorn size brain of yours. I can see your reply now, so what, I do not need to look him up, the experts are clearly wrong and dee is right.) do you realize how much of a fool that you are making of yourself? wow!
You’ve been trapped again and now like the red faced coward you are attempt to lie your way out ....wow!!!
mad Maxx said .... . yes god says eternal .......now he’s crying because he’s been caught lying
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But that doesn't solve the multi version problem... It's not just a question of translation as some original text were in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek that were then translated to latin, english and so on...
You chose the Tyndale Bible (which is greatly incomplete with regards to the Old Testament btw...) in which it may well be depicted as you say, but someone might be using another version in which it is not... Both of you would be right in your respective point of view since you both use different references...
So you would be left with a new problem to solve, that is : Which version is the "true" version... And it would be a fallacy to speak of a "true" bible because each denomination has its own "true" bible and we then get into some version of the "no true Scotsman fallacy"...
Protestantism definitely sees Hell as eternal and permanent, the teaching of the Catholic Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. The LDS Church and the Unity Church doesn't hold the belief of a permanent hell...
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It doesn't matter to the millions of Catholics and Protestants what the original meaning might be or not, so it's irrelevant really...
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Yes. I don't argue with the existence of a "MAN" named Jesus, OR even his charisma. I largely agree with his (alleged) ideology. I'm glad he (likely) did exist. I'm even happy that he (kind of) replaced that old Jewish "god" who was too cruel (allegedly) for me to follow … let alone "worship". History needs to be authenticated. We need to keep working at that. In the meantime, we have to look at history through realistic glasses, not mythological idealism.
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God may feel they deserve life.
No one would question his decision to give them life.
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****no I said the bible says eternal, but I also said that the word meant something else, remember;?
Which is what we are talking about and not your opinion on the matter , according to Tyndale maybe but so what his translations were not accepted at the time so why should they be now to over a billion Catholics to start?
****now a days it means forever and that is why they put it in the bible.
Yet eternal meant eternal in the past and even now ........
Tyndale’s translations were condemned in England, where his work was banned and copies burned.[Catholic officials, prominently Thomas More,charged that he had purposely mistranslated the ancient texts in order to promote anti-clericalism and heretical views,In particular they cited the terms "church", "priest", "do penance" and "charity", which became in the Tyndale translation "congregation", "senior" (changed to "elder" in the revised edition of 1534), "repent" and "love", challenging key doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church.
Betrayed to church officials in 1536, he was defrocked in an elaborate public ceremony and turned over to the civil authorities to be strangled to death and burned at the stake. His last words are said to have been, "Lord! Open the King of England's eyes."
Wiki
**** once again, it was originally written and believed that hell was not forever;
Incorrect , you are mere giving Tyndales views on the matter
****if you refuse to believe that, nor refuse to look it up yourself, nor read links showing it then why are you even on this site?
Why would I read any of your links? You post up links in your last debate to a 9/11 truthers and conspiracy theorists site and call it “truth”
****I am not to believe it, nor will I do the research on it, nor will I read any information about it or anything that may prove dee wrong.
There you go yet again lying and saying things I never said , I think you’re talking about yourself again
***if you call that debating, wow you are one masturbator .
No doubt that is something you’re well practiced at as your profile pic makes you look like a seedy plastic comb salesman at a train station but in fairness I hear your mother does her best work on her knees
****look it up
Ok give me her phone number in case I’m ever desperate
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Correct , which means billions of Catholics and Protestants have accepted and died not knowing what eternity actually meant regarding eternal punishment. This same game is played time and time again to the unpalatable parts of the Bible as in slavery as the excuse now is “ oh slavery actually meant bonded labour “ anything negative of course is a translation problem and naturally anything positive is a perfect translation
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****irrelevant to whom?
Read what @Plaffelvohfen said it’s pretty clear what he’s saying
****actually it should matter to all of the religious sector to understand what their bible is and how it was compiled and what was land when it was put in and what was left out; as well on how it was translated.
Not one of the 33,000 Christian denominations agree on translations with each other maybe you should tell them how to read the Bible?
*** I have read several old bibles and each generation gets new changes and they are already past the point where it doesn't quite mean or say once what it used to and it the future probably even less. does it matter to others who are not religious?
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@Dee
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Oh you mean in how I corrected you yet again?
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It wasn’t , the earliest christians believed in eternal Hell fire as did god , why should I believe a translation that got its translator killed for heresy because it was a mistranslation?
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When I say it's irrelevant, I mean to say that the 1.2 billion of Catholics and the 900 millions Protestants won't care, your definition is an heresy to them, worth as much as Joseph Smith's golden tablets...
Religious people don't care about facts and reality, or there would be no religious people...
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Ultimately there is no "One sin beats all" doctrinally speaking (In the past tense) but there are sins that specifically guarantee you a seat in hell if you end your life living them. Aside from these typically called "Mortal sins" Solomon is a good example of how people are judged. Supposedly Solomon was a fairly wicked , stealing the wife of another Man and sending him to the front lines to be killed so he could have her. God eventually went on to say that Solomon was a Man after his own heart which means...our actions are not strictly what we are going to be judged by and one sin (Or many) won't strictly determine our fate in the end. It will likely be a combination of what is in our heart and what good or evil we brought about while on Earth...but that's just my opinion.
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I suppose that's one perspective to have. Then again, "Odd" compared to what? It appears that you're attempting to classify an action taken by a supernatural being by comparing it to something that a natural being would or wouldn't do. Furthermore it seems that because it doesn't make sense to you, meaning it doesn't seem sensible according to your human sensibilities, then the action taken by this supernatural being is therefor odd and deserving of skepticism.
This is the "Free will" paradigm. From God's perspective, even if you DID know what the outcome would be, wouldn't you have to let it play out anyway in order to maintain free will? In this case there would be three choices: 1). Intervene and affect the situation until a positive outcome was achieved for some unknown reason (Most likely because people think they're automatically deserving of it. 2). Terminate the whole thing because it was going to end up with them sinning in the first place. 3). Let it be and allow humans to make mistakes of their own accord and to learn from them, develop a better understanding and appreciation for life and eventually...willfully come to love you for the life of free will that you gave them.
God cannot intervene into the lives of humans otherwise it compromises the free will paradigm. How much free will would you ACTUALLY have if everything was wonderful? How would you determine a good action from a bad action if there was no reason to do anything bad? If evil had no allure, no purpose, no power over you because everything in life was perfect...then there'd be no Good and Evil, no Light and Dark. Good people are defined when bad things happen, anyone can be good when their life is perfect and everything goes their way, it's when disaster strikes, your life is turned upside down and despair is eating away at you...THAT'S when good people are defined and THAT'S why bad things happen to "So called" good people.
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