Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender Questioning Intersex +Plus. I say yes, because while I hole to the view that the Bible in the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, is the Inspired Word of God,the translations and respective doctrines have been wrong. We have slavery, racial diviciveness, gender inequality, and rape culture. Fallible men, have taken the infallible Word of God, to enact laws of terror and hate. My point? Christians have a lot of repenting to do. Judgement allegedly starts with the Body of Christ, the Christian Church. Now I know some of the Christians on here will call me a false teacher or a heretic, but before they point fingers: I remind them of how the Pharisees treated Jesus. They said He was possed, and a false believer, and Teacher, just like two particular un named conservative Christians on here said I am demonic, and not a Christian. Maybe God is the One True Judge? No other need apply.
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More likely, there is no such being. The best we can do is just treat other people kindly, regardless of who they are. This is what I do. I absolutely do not care what race you are, what gender you are, what sexuality you are, what religion you follow, etc. To me, everyone is an individual, and I treat everyone as such. I have interacted with quite a few homosexuals, bisexuals and transsexuals in my life, and nothing I have seen made me think less of them. I have also interacted with all races, probably most ethnicities and most mainstream religions. Finally, I have lived in many different cultures. All I can say at the end of the day is: you will be surprised by just how similar all people fundamentally are, if you just open your mind to the idea and discard all the superficial differences.
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The men who implemented slavery were following exactly what it said in the Bible which gives clear instructions on how to buy , treat and indeed beat slaves , it also totally supports one selling ones daughter as a sex slave .
Jesus one would think would be against this but Jesus like god totally supported slavery
Why Christians defend such an immoral book is beyond me , I get that one believes in a god but basing it on the words of this vile book eludes me
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How can they then claim to have the one absolute truth, or for that matter to even know the truth about anything?
All religions have changed over time. Sometimes this change takes place as the development of another sect or denomination, and sometimes it is the result of slow gradual change due to a changing environment.
I would argue that they were never really "right" to make any claim out to be morally subjective in the first place, because what is good or bad for society is going to be different depending on the circumstances, and this changes what is the moral answer.
The only way to reconcile these issues is to recognize that no religion is true in a literal sense, but only in a spiritual/metaphysical way.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
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If this is a fallacy, then one still has to contest with what parts of the bible are to be considered absolute and what parts are considered up for interpretation.
Not many people know this, but the bible condemns wearing cloth made of different types of fibers.
Deuteronomy 22:11 "You shall not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woolen and linen together."
It is largely accepted today that this was either a Hebrew superstition or had to do with preventing shrinkage when washing clothing made of different fibers. However, most modern fabrics are made of many different types of fabric, which even the most hard core believers will wear.
There are other examples of common things everyone does but the bible forbids, for example:
eating pork or bacon, using pig parts, Leviticus 11:4,
eating seafood, Leviticus 10–11
playing football, Leviticus 11:7–8
wearing jewelry, 1 Timothy 2:9
talking to psychics, Leviticus 19:31
tattoos, Leviticus 19:28
marrying after a divorce, Mark 10:11–12
Women talking in churches, 1 Corinthians 14:34
pulling out, Genesis 38:9
working on Sundays, (unless you are Jesus) Exodus 31:14–15
Trimming your beard, Leviticus 19:27
Eating hamburgers. Leviticus 3:17
So why don't they treat these passages with the same respect as the ones condemning homosexuality?
All of these things are technically against God's will if the bible is to be considered true. If you can pick and choose which parts of the bible are to be trusted, it loses its supposed purpose as a source of moral guidance. In other words, the fact that these things are no longer considered to be morally forbidden indicates that morality is subjective.
If it is, the bible and religion has no purpose, and you might have to ask yourself: Why even bother with faith at all?
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One of the reasons I left is because I realized the whole thing is nothing but a house of lies.
Suppose you ignore all the parts of the bible that say to love each other and do good things, and instead focus on all the parts that say steal, rape, murder, takes slaves, and subjugate women?
If you can pick and choose what you want to be true, you can not justify anything. Either you are in 100% or you are out. There can be no half measures!
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If it is acceptable to pick and choose which parts of the bible are to be followed absolutely, and which are open for interpretation, then it is possible for main stream Christians to be wrong about LGBTQI+ rights.
However, and the point I am trying to make, if this is acceptable then it can be inferred that all of the bible is open for interpretation, and this has consequences.
For example, suppose we just flip it all around and say, okay, LGBTQI+ can have rights, but racial slavery is okay again. It's all arbitrary if you can pick and choose, so why even have faith at all, if it is completely meaningless?
This problem is a major reason why so many people in the US are leaving religion. There is nothing but truth, not personal truth but actual truth on the other side. It is liberating.
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Then for some reason, when I take this to its logical conclusion, suddenly I'm trolling and off topic. I don't understand where the disconnect here is, If it is acceptable to pick and choose which parts of the bible are to be followed absolutely, and which are open for interpretation, then it is possible for main stream Christians to be wrong about LGBTQI+ rights.
The only way to reconcile these issues is to recognize that no religion is true in a literal sense, but only in a spiritual/metaphysical way.
If you can pick and choose what you want to be true, you can not justify anything. Either you are in 100% or you are out. There can be no half measures!
Religious traditionalism and progressivism are about compatible as fascism and human rights, one has to be drastically modified to accommodate the other.
Frankly, I think you are trolling because you never defend or even explain your position, you resort to ad hominem attacks, and instead of thinking through things rationally you just get angry.
Emotion does not a good argument make.
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You seem to believe, based on your comments in other threads, that you have the right to dictate how others practice their speech. Why should others not have the right to dictate how you practice your faith? I do not see why you should be more of an authority on this, than anyone else.
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Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
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You are a cultural atheist, and a Christian only in name, you should realize this. You do not get to pick and choose what religion says and does, you do get to decide if you want to believe it or not.
How many of your friends are atheist/agnostic/"religious nones"?
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If you want to pick and choose what biblical verses you want to believe in and follow, including LGBTQI+ rights, you are not a Christian.
What you don't seem to comprehend, is the reason Christianity says that things like homosexuality are "sin" isn't because they are being judgmental, it's because they want to control you through fear and shame. It is a very effective albeit primitive social engineering tactic. tactic.
This is one of the reasons why religious participation has been in decline for decades, as people come to this realization. Every time progress moves religion fights and defies and censors it until it is proven better and religion can no longer stand, then it comes to rapid conclusions and claims that it was the source of the progress.
Religion is about magical thinking. It is about focusing on an imaginary world instead of on reality. It is the anchor that has been holding humanity back for hundreds of years.
If you are a Christian, then you follow the teachings of the bible, don't worry about what happens in this life because there is an eternal afterlife waiting ruled by a magical creator who no one alive has ever seen who has a happy place in the sky for you provided you worship him forever.
If you are a progressive, then focus on this world, and this one guaranteed existence. Enjoy life, love, learn, be free, and live the life you want to live. Do not allow yourself to be held back by wishful thinking, superstitions, and fear. Put your trust in science, philosophy, and reason. There is nothing to be afraid of, you just have to let go.
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I'm not telling you what to believe, but what makes you think you get to decide what religion says?
Are you trying to pull a Joseph Smith or something?
Just going to go and start your own religion?
Be my guest. At this point it would be easier than convincing all the actual Christians to change their ways.
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That being said, my advice remains the same.
Don't stay in abusive relationships.
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It's the Ideas!
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There are people, in the here and now that will love and care for you, and some of them may even need you as much as you need them.
If you stick with a group, they will expect conformity. It isn't personal, it's just human nature. They are afraid of you and what you represent.
Jesus is made to be a drug for handling anxiety, but like so many drugs it is addictive, and comes with serious side effects.
You are a strong, independent young woman, why let something herd mentality hold you down when you could be flying?
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