god is not real. And there are many reasons why. It's silly to believe in god, if I started believing in santa, then made a book about him and used it as justification of him being real, it wont be much diffrent than the bible and god. If god was real he would have an impact on how our world is, but he dosent, if he made it and controls things why does stuff always happen, god must be an asshole, people getting sick and family's pray and love god but no, families die, outbreaks happen, people always die. God is never their to be the helpful all powerful being he is said to be. But scientists made vaccines over time and helped us themselfs. No god included. If he is all about forgiveness as said by many Christians, can I steal and kill people then ask for forgiveness. God clearly dosent care if bad happens, but hes all into that forgiveness and second chance . is a monster if you thing about it that way. Another reason is when Christians try to outsmart someone who doesn't believe in god by saying "if the big bang created the universe what created the big bang?" The big bang is somthing that came out of nothingness. But I can say the same thing about god. What created god? Nobody can awnser that, I ask but it usually ends up with being ignored, talked over, replied with a question, or just a long over explained way of saying "I dont know ." Lastly, in the bible adam is the "first ever human" witch is completely denying all evolution even though we have scientific physical proof of evolution, because they look like humans exactly like us (that's a hint that humans created the bible and made up god) because in the pictures from the bible they have god damn belly buttons, adam and eve. God ain't real and he didn't make us. I would love to reply to anyone who wants to prove me rong. I'm Muslim and grew up in a pretty religious household, did not tell my parents I dont believed in Allah. But I have not been believing in any god for the past year now.
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A religion centered at Santa would actually be something I could get behind!
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As the man said: We are all atheists to an extent, as true atheists we just go one god further. Not a quote, just the jist ……
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No, scientists are not trying to say that, and religious people should do away with this meme already. The "big bang" is a metaphor for the physical process the measurable effects of which are observable and agree with our theoretical predictions.
On the other hand, there are no predictions of substance to make from the creationist theory. These are not just different theories, as one of these theories is completely unfounded and is a product of human imagination, while another theory is a conclusion of rigorous analysis of gigabytes of data.
As for the Sun being the right distance from Earth, you are confusing cause and effect here. Our organisms have evolved to adapt to our conditions. Of course the conditions are going to be perfect for us; if they were not, then evolution would not take the path that it did, and we would be different creatures now, perfectly adapted to those other conditions.
None of this is even remotely suggestive of some intelligent design. Some people see what they want to see, but the data does not agree with them.
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Now lets do a little thought experiment here.
What would be required for you to accept that there was no god? That is to say, what thing would you need to observe for you to conclude that there is no god? Is there anything that would make you change your mind about your god beliefs?
Suppose someone went back in time with a mind reading device and proved that every god belief was made up by people. Would that disprove god?
Suppose a supper advanced civilization that lives a trillion years in the future creates a machine that reverses entropy, effectively meaning they can produce free energy and therefore live forever. Would that disprove that people can die?
Let's say that there is some unknown science that takes place outside of universes, or perhaps within this one but very rarely, which allows something to be created from nothing. Would that disprove god?
If in the next few decades, a few scientists manage to make inorganic material come to life able to reproduce, and this all happens without the scientists deliberately making it happen but just by setting the circumstances for it to occur, which could have existed naturally, proving abiogenesis is possible. Would this prove that god did not create life?
In every instance the answer is no isn't it?
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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This situation could be likened to that of a scientist who takes naturally occurring elements; he set up circumstances where they transform into steel, plastic, silicone, wire, and come together to make a robot. He then sets up a way for the robot to get a program to be able to build copies of itself. By doing so, what will he prove? That robots come about naturally? At best he proves, that an intelligent entity can create an impressive machine.
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What I am asking is: Can there be any conceivable experiment that will test the validity of the statement: "God is real"?
What could we do as humans to show that there was or was not a god?
The interesting thing I want to point out is your stance on abiogenesis. You say:
"If scientists ever did construct inorganic life, they would accomplish something truly amazing, but would they prove that the inorganic life could be made without life?
In other words, if scientists prove that abiogenesis is true, that proves god. If they say it is false, that proves god. No matter what you will conclude that god is real.
Why is this interesting? It implies that the answer to the question I am asking you is something like: "all conceivable experiments will always prove god, because I said so".
Lets do a little thought experiment. There are two kids playing a game with a pair of normal 6-sided dice.
The first kid says: "I hope I roll a 15, so I can win right away"
The second kid says: "I always seem to roll 7's"
The thought experiment is, which of these statements can we prove and which can we never prove?
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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If everyone intentionally worked against inorganic life coming about and inorganic life comes about without life, that would prove God doesn't exist.
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I don't care about what we can prove, I care about what can we DISPROVE.
How can we DISPROVE that there is a god?
The dice example is the point I am trying to make. If someone says that I can role a 15 with two dice, even though we know logically that the max you can role is 12, we can never prove it. We can however, prove that rolling 2 dice will be 7 most often. But if the dice are loaded and usually land on 12, we can disprove that all 6 sided dice usually land on 7. Then we can update our understanding, from "two 6 sided dice total 7 most often" to "two even dice total 7 most often"
You can not disprove that rolling two dice will ever equal 15, so it is not scientific to say that. Same with the toy example you give, no one cares if you can prove that the dice can role themselves, how do we disprove it is the question.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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So if we travel to Mars and find life there that is completely unlike life on earth, proving that life can arise separately, then this would prove that god doesn't exist?
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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What is a "well documented made up story"? This sentence makes no sense.
Historians take multiple different sources and cross-reference them with each other, and if everything aligns with one story and does not align with any other reasonable story, then this story is taken as truth.
Religious people do not do that. They take one text and say, "This text describes the truth", with no evidence, no analysis, no cross-referencing.
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The answer is no. Abiogenesis is a theory, and even if we watch it happen right in front of us, it is still just a theory. You see, science doesn't exactly prove things, it just gets recursively less wrong until it is close enough to absolute truth that we can say it is true. It is still possible that the life was deliberately put there, but it is much less likely to have been the case once we understand how it may have been possible, same as in the dice example where we can never prove that 2 6 sided dice total 7 most often, but with every roll we can be more and more confident of that.
I am a person who values pragmatic knowledge. In order for something to be useful, it has to be repeatable, and anything repeatable is fundamentally testable. So what test can we do that will yield the same results to always show that God does or does not exist? Abiogenesis isn't a good example, because suppose someone observes abiogenesis in a lab, and then exclaims: "I have just seen god create life" There is nothing stopping someone from declaring that, and there is nothing that can be done to prove that is true or not. Maybe god did create life right in front of the scientist. Maybe it was just coincidence. No matter what, you have to take it on faith that this happened.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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History is a science. What individual books say has little to do with what science as a whole says. History is prone to interpretation, but data is what it is.
You can read a lot of papers published by IBM researchers, for example, at the time the PC development was going on. Everything is well documented and reproducible. Is the story about the talking snake well documented and reproducible? Or the story about all creatures on Earth, except for a small family of humans and exactly two adults of different genders for each animal species, dying in flooding? I would like to see accounts of that that point at falsifiable data points that we can collect.
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I know you like to talk about how the bible is verified through the historical method, so I am going to assume this is all true, however I am going to point out that it does not necessarily matter.
Lets say you meet someone who believes that the man named Jesus in the bible was not the son of god, but was actually the devil in disguise playing an ultimate con. This person asserts, that although everything recorded in the bible happened, Jesus is not the messiah but is instead the devil pretending to be the messiah, in an effort to lure as many people away from Judaism, the one true religion. He states many facts that seem to confirm this belief, such as the fact that some of the miracles of Jesus could easily have been considered dark magic, such as raising the dead or turning water to wine, speaking in parables, and declaring that the law as spelled out in Leviticus is no longer valid. He then goes on to demonstrate many contradictions between the new and old testament, insisting that only contradictions between the old and new testaments exist. He proselytizes that because this is truth, that everyone who follows Jesus must repent and cease their worship of him because he is a false prophet and they would be violating gods sacred commandments.
***I don't care to talk about if any of this is true or not.***
What I do care to talk about, is how would we know if it is true or not? That is to say, what test can we do that will always tell us which if any belief is true?
If no such test exists, then how can we say that this is not what happened, on account of we did not disprove it?
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6225591/
It is not due to social pressures, (rapid onset gender dysphoria ) meaning it is natural to the person, not learned.
https://psychcentral.com/lib/there-is-no-evidence-that-rapid-onset-gender-dysphoria-exists/
There is evidence that people are born like that, you are not just supposed to accept it. If anyone tells you to just accept something, they are most likely not your friend. Being skeptical is good.
The real question is, if there is no physical proof, then how do we know which if any higher power to choose? Suppose you were raised following the wrong god. Then what? We need evidence because we need a reason to think something is true, for pragmatic purposes.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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If in a trillion years from now, someone made a computer that could track the motion and position of every particle in the universe, both today and in the past, right up until the point the universe came to exist, it is still possible that god exists outside the universe.
Now lets say through some sci-fi magic, someone figures out a way to get outside the universe and the same thing becomes possible in any universe. Now isn't it possible that god exists outside of all universes?
No matter what, you can push the possibility to infinity. The idea of god, gods or other mythical beings isn't scientific, and there is no reason for anyone to need the belief in one. You can get morality, purpose, and wisdom from so many other sources.
Why do we need a god?
We don't.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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Insight is gained when you appreciate and motivated to apply
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I challenge you to find one scientific paper published in the last 100 years that makes any claim that "mother nature" is a real entity. You won't, because "mother nature" is a euphemism. Specifically it is a layman's way of describing the chaotic reality of many natural forces, such as the weather, that to the untrained eye, looks like agency.
This is the assumption of most god beliefs. That reality has agency. It is misappropriation of randomness with intention.
Do you think that there are things in this world that are fundamentally unpredictable, and act without care or decision, lacking the facilities to do so?
I hate it when people say that a book that is full to the brim with rape, misogyny, slavery, authoritarianism, false hopes, violence, and all sorts of limitations on what you can eat or who you can sleep with is wisdom. That isn't wisdom, that's Indoctrination!
Consider that the bible was written in a time that was very different from our modern times. What may have been right then is not necessarily right today. Let me explain with the most controversial example I can, the assumption of the bible that women should be subservient to men.
It is well documented that women who are educated have fewer children, and when they do it is later in life, because these women tend to have careers and to spend more time at work.
So what does this mean for ancient cultures that didn't have access to modern medicine and were constantly at war against both the elements and rival groups? It means that cultures that treat women as equals were going to die out because they would not have stable populations!
So what about today? Our population is skyrocketing and it may be necessary to stabilize our population. What's the easiest way to do this?
Educate women! So the bible and it's "wisdom" is exactly the wrong answer!
How is that for Wisdom and Understanding? Wisdom doesn't come from tradition or ancient stories, it comes from applied knowledge, which can only be derived through science and logic. I couldn't care less what some decrepit old book says, what is good today may not be what was good yesterday.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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It is important to separate history as a science from history as a recreational activity. There are many books written by historians or non-historians on history that contain a lot of unverified information, individual interpretation, and so on and so on. When I talk about history, I mean the science, not everything that you can find on book shelves.
Sure, there are many historical records of people performing outstanding feats, often feats which we deem impossible. But we are continuously learning about the complexity of human organism, and each year we learn about new mechanisms allowing humans to sometimes channel their energy in the most outstanding ways.
There are no records of anyone performing outstanding feats as a result of divine intervention, however.
Again, the difference between science and religion is that in the former case we can verify or disprove every claim made, based on direct or indirect evidence - and in the latter case we have to take the authors' word on everything, because nothing can be verified. Individual events described in the Bible sometimes can be verified, but their connection to the divine intervention cannot. That is the difference.
You are right that not everything in history is clear. Some things are, some are not. In religion, nothing is clear, nothing is supported by any testable evidence. The Bible, the Torah or the Quran in this regard are like the book Lord of the Rings.
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There is no such thing as a "true definition" Consider this old thought experiment: Suppose there is a group of men who each have a box that the others can not look into. They each look into their box and say that the box contains a "beetle". Can they ever know what is in the others box? The answer is no. If they each contain something totally different, no one can know, because it is still possible that the description they each give is relative to what that different object in each of their boxes is!
Definitions are relative to our discourse. Go back in time 40 years and say "LOL" no one will know what that means.
Yes, this thinking would definitely apply to many books on the market, and in particular ones that make some kind of subjective or philosophical claim.
The bible is not an accurate history book. Have you ever heard of the epic of Gilgamesh? it is the source material for Noah's flood that pre-dates the bible.
Yes, the bible says that women should be subservient to men, right there in the first book, and in other parts.
Genesis 3:16 To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.”
1 Corinthians 14:34-35 The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
1 Timothy 2:11-12 Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.
Ephesians 5:22-24 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.The bible is very misogynistic, and if you don't think so, it's because you don't know the bible.
Religion tears people apart. It spreads false information, violates unity and corrupts love and togetherness. It is not a source of truth, it is a source of tradition. I have read the bible cover to cover, as well as the Quran and pagan works. There is nothing special about the bible, it is just another book that claims divinity where there is none to be found.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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1 Timothy 5:2 - "Treat older women as you would your mother, and treat younger women with all purity as you would your own sisters."
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What makes you think you have any authority to do that?
subservient, submission, to submit, are all synonyms, I don't want to make semantic arguments here but the misogyny, which is what we should really be talking about is still apparent.
According to the bible, women are to be subservient to men. There is no denying that. Showing more bible passages does not dismiss other passages, otherwise the bible contradicts itself.
Are you claiming the bible contradicts itself?
You miss the point of the thought experiment. The idea is to point out the limitations of semantics. It doesn't contradict my claim, it contradicts a straw man for what argument you think I am making.
You know, you never answered my question from before.
How do we know that the devil didn't invent Jesus to turn people from god's word?
What evidence do you have to disprove this is not the case? If it is, then you will face eternal torture for worshiping false idols.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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That is the first problem: that attribution to God is not based on any hard evidence. The attribution to science is, simply due to how science works.
The second problem is abundance of stories in the Bible that are not supported by any historical evidence, and that contradict everything we know about the world. We have never seen or found evidence of the existence of talking snakes, angels, floodings that wiped out nearly all life on Earth, and so on. History never makes claims not based on hard evidence; you will not see historians seriously talk about, for example, Atlantis, aside from studying the origins of this myth.
I do not dispute that the Bible talks about some events that truly happened. It would be strange if it had no relation to reality whatsoever, as it would not be found relatable by its readers and, likely, would be a fairly obscure book few people would ever read.
However, its narrative is based on a lot of unfounded speculation as well. And while historians also speculate sometimes, those speculations are based on rigorous scientific method, not on people's fantasies. That is the crucial difference.
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>>>Sounds like you are trying to give your own interpretation of scripture.<<<
I posted the defintion of the words used.
I didn't put my own words like a synonym.
If you ask any woman if they are subservient to men in the church. Or if the Bible teaches women to be subservient to their husbands. All of them would tell you no, and I think they would be offended. That is why I believe you are not seeing it correctly.
>>>You miss the point of the thought experiment. The idea is to point out the limitations of semantics. It doesn't contradict my claim, it contradicts a straw man for what argument you think I am making.<<<
I got your point. Nevertheless, regardless what is in each box, there is something in the box, that each person is referring to as a beetle.
To expound on you thought experiment. To kick one of those men out claiming they have nothing in their box because of what you know of their negative qualities, would be wrong.
I mentioned documented instants of of how Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawkins actually treated women poorly. You didn't blink an eye, you continued your focus on the Bible. And what suffers? The human race suffers because your greatness is hindered, because you refuse to find the beetle in the box.
>>>How do we know that the devil didn't invent Jesus to turn people from god's word?<<<
Prophecy of seventy weeks in Daniel proves that not true.
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https://twitter.com/laalex2?lang=en
Seriously, read through her twitter. Just because you don't think that the bible says that women should be subservient to men (even though it does, and quite clearly at that) does not mean that some people don't think that, and even suggest that others do it too.
Her stuff is so cringe worthy and deeply misogynistic that words escape me.
The reason I don't care so much about individuals treating women poorly is because, well, they are individuals. They do not have an enormous social structure based on doing this. That is like comparing Nazi's to serial killers, the scale alone negates the point.
The seventy weeks of Daniel doesn't disprove that the devil invented Jesus, in fact it could be easily offered as evidence, because presumably the devil could have known about the prophecy and used that to it's advantage. Suppose that the real Jesus was born elsewhere, and the man who the bible claims is Jesus is not? Isn't it possible, that since Barbarian tribes destroyed Rome, that the real messiah was one of them, born hundreds of years latter?
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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Evidence can be…
Hidden.
Destroyed.
Denied.
A gun and kill, a bullet can kill. Both need a person as a united state to in fact kill.
The glass may be explained to others as filled or empty. The united state is the glass is always full.
"God Ain't real." Is a slang translation saying God is not your responsibility to hold for representation.
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