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There is nothing inherently wrong about rape, debate me
@MayCaesar
There was a cool exercise one high school teacher had us do. We would express our opinions on something and find a disagreement - and then we would switch the roles and argue the best case for the opponent's position. For instance, suppose I believe that women should have equal rights with men, while my opponent believes that they should not. We would switch the roles, I would make the best argument I can for why women should have fewer rights than men, and my opponent would argue for equality. It was extremely eye-opening: not only would we gain respect for our opponents' positions by finding good arguments in favor of them, but we would strengthen our own positions by finding flaws in them and correcting for them.
I did that once on a debate sight some twenty years ago. Failed miserably as I was still a staunch Christian at the time and couldn't comprehend the reality that some people do not believe in god. Thought about trying to do that here, now but not sure how to structure it so that people seriously participate without quickly dissolving into insults of peoples beliefs. After about 3 or 4 attempts back then that's what the debate deteriorated to.
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There is nothing inherently wrong about rape, debate me
@Factfinder
Thanks FF. Just sayin nearly always runs, your post on biblical rape proves he has nothing. What's truly hilarious is thaf Ricky and him use the bible to contradict the bible and never seem to realise how ridiculous this is.
That's a very good point you make, you'd think an all powerful god could somehow work on his communication skills a bit more.
It's funny Muslims claim the Quran cannot be challenged as its a perfect book without contradiction and when challenged resort to the very same reinterpretations and semantic nonsense.
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There is nothing inherently wrong about rape, debate me
@Joeseph
Excellent rebuttal. Just sayin ran from this post https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/180303/#Comment_180303 because he has no answer in his indoctrination for it.
Strip away their excuses for "bad" translations and cherry picking verses with no regard to context and there's nothing left but their blind faith which they can't defend. One would think the god of the bible could truly deliver the 'infallible' word of god without relying on human hands to scribe it into so many erroneous transliterations and translations?
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There is nothing inherently wrong about rape, debate me
@RickeyHoltsclaw
ARGUMENT TOPIC : RICKY ATTEMPTS TO DEFEND THE SLAUGHTER OF WOMEN AND INFANTS AND RAPE AS APPROVED BY GOD.
That's a hilarious take on the verses in question , you're actually trying to suggest thar god would baulk at commanding rape after commanding the slaughter of women and children , seriously?
GOD DOESNT LIKE THE FACT THAT THE MIDANITES WORSHIP IDOLS SO THEY MUST BE SLAUGHTEREDPreparations (verses 1–6)
In verses 1 and 2, Yahweh reminded Moses to take revenge on the Midianites as instructed in Numbers 25:16–18, as his last act before his death.[1][3] Accordingly, Moses instructed a thousand men of each of the Twelve Tribes of Israel – 12,000 in total, under Phinehas' leadership – to attack Midian.[2]
War (7–13)
The Israelite soldiers are narrated to have killed all Midianite men, including the five kings, as well as the sorcerer Balaam.[2] According to verse 49, the Israelites themselves suffered zero casualties.[2] All Midianite towns and camps were burnt;[11] all Midianite women, children and livestock were deported as captives[2] to the "camp on the plains of Moab, by the Jordan across from Jericho", where Moses and Eleazar received them.[2]
ALL WOMEN MUST BE SLAUGHTERD ALL CHILDREN ALSO ALL VIRGINS KEPT FOR THE MENKilling of captive children and non-virgin women (14–18)
Moses was angry that the soldiers had left all women alive, saying: "They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to Yahweh in the Peor incident, so a plague struck Yahweh's people. Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."[15][11]
Ritual purification (19–24)
Next, Moses and Eleazar instructed the soldiers to ritually cleanse and purify themselves, the captives and all objects they had over a period of seven days. Objects mentioned are the clothes, all objects of leather, goat hair and wood, and all metal objects, specifying that all fireproof objects had to be cleansed by both fire and water, the rest only by water.[1][3]
Division of spoils of war (25–54)edit
The plunder from the Midianite campaign was "675,000 sheep, 72,000 cattle, 61,000 donkeys and 32,000 women who had never slept with a man."[2] Yahweh instructed Moses and Eleazar to divide these spoils according to a 1:1 ratio between the Israelite soldiers on the one hand, and the Israelite civilians on the other. Yahweh demanded a 0.2% share of the soldiers' half of the spoils for himself; this tribute would be given to him via the Levites, who were responsible for the care of Yahweh's tabernacle. Some of the Midianite golden jewellery plundered during the war (combined weight: about 418 pounds/190 kilograms[15]) was also offered as a gift to Yahweh "to make atonement for ourselves before Yahweh".[15][2]
POOR OLE RICKY ANDJUST SAYIN CHICKENED OUT OF A DEBATE ON BIBLICAL SLAVERY AFTER LYING AND SAYING THEY WOULD DEBATE IT ......
ISNT CHRISTIAN " MORALITY WONDERFUL"?
KEEP WOMEN CAPTIVES AND "ENJOY THEM" SAYS THE GOD RICKY AND JUST SAYIN CRAWL TO .....
More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.
What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?
A MAN AFTER RAPING A WOMAN MUST MARRY HER SAYS THE CHRISTIAN GOD ......HOW DELIGHTFUL FOR THE VICTIM
4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NAB)
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.
RAPE VICTIMS WHO DONT CRY OUT LOUD ENOUGH MUST BE STONED TO DEATH AS ACCORDING TO GODS LOGIC THEY MUST HAVE GOT PLEASURE FROM THE ACT
5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.
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Why the repetitive STRIFE between Islam/the Muslim World and Israel?
My explanation is way simpler: two children are fighting for who gets the toy. They have never grown up and learned of more civilized ways to think and negotiate. And they both are so wrapped in the goal to win the fight, they have long forgotten what the toy even was. Was it Jerusalem, a city in the middle of the desert? Was it whether god is to be called Elohim or Allah? Or maybe it was just two guys crossing paths in the desert, not liking each other's looks and picking up swords?It is all childish petty nonsense. Play silly games - win silly prices. Someone has to grow up eventually and realize that building one's world view off 1,500+ year old books is not the brightest idea.For that matter, out of all the amazing books that were written eons ago, they picked the two lousiest ones.
There were works of giants: Homer, Plato, Aristotle, Marcus Aurelius... Books which actually provide one with practically useful tools. No, they had to pick the most obscure works of fiction.Has anyone tried reading the Bible or Quran as a fiction? Let me tell you, it is a huge slog. I do not drink, but if I was forced to read these books in their entirety, I would have to become a drinker. The boredom would kill me otherwise. -
Why Can't 1.8 Billion Muslims Destroy Israel?
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There is nothing inherently wrong about rape, debate me
@cheetahgod360
I've asked you to clarify your position. Let me articulate it for you then you can tell if I'm right. You used the term 'inherent' in your op as the key to claim at it's core, existence, creation, the universe has no right and wrong. It just continues. That's it in a nutshell? If so then sure, trying to argue that the universe has a moral code would be as impotent as trying to prove or disprove god. Why participate in a discussion defined in such narrow terms? Sure, strip all human concepts of right and wrong that's developed over the ages making our existence equal in all ways to a rock, then there's no alternative to agree the rock has no sense of right and wrong morality. In the most basic primitive sense there might be an element of truth alluded to by your question but in reality humans have evolved in such a way that rapes are wrong so what's the point of your debate? -
There is nothing inherently wrong about rape, debate me
This is a pretty good argument for Christians being the least moral people in the world. That they think that there is no good reason to be against rape other than the word of some celestial creature say a lot.just_sayin said:
Again, I want to give you a bullhorn so that others can hear you. Most of the atheists on this site would agree that there is no objective morality, but would get uncomfortable with the logical conclusion - that acts of violence are OK. They cling to a religious morality that their view does not support. Their moral values are borrowed from a system they reject. If they were logically consistent, they would be pro-rape also. 
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There is nothing inherently wrong about rape, debate me
@cheetahgod360
By copy and pasting their names, try and get an adult to help if you find it to difficult.
Yes I know you're on a debate site and find it inconvenient to debate more than two people , maybe you need another " hobby"?
So you're suggesting I get other members to type my arguments for me? You really are a prize retard is it genetic or what? -
There is nothing inherently wrong about rape, debate me
well, you said "inherently" wrong, which leads me to think rape is inerrant in humans, or the desire to. However it is sexual desire that is inherent, not rape itself. So, rape can not be inherent, it is simply the object of want and take, stemming from an inherent biological desire to have sex. However if you erase the word inherent, then what your question would be is rape wrong. That also leads to the question if causing others grief, pain, and mental anguish is wrong or not. Regardless of which question you are asking, i would say rape is not ok, morally or psychologically. Reproduction aside, you must ask yourself if rape is ok, in all matters; including if someone raped one of your family members. There is no evolutionary desire for rape. You need to prove that first. You are mixing the evolutionary biological desire to reproduce with rape. Rape is learned, not inherent. @cheetahgod360
