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The Earth is flat and stationary

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edited October 2017 in Earth Science
Do you think we're on a spinning ball blasting around the sun at 66,000 MPH? Ok cool, I don't. Now do you have any evidence besides NASA and "show me the edge"?




Erfisflatkmelkevolution17walterbameleffeaOswald_Mosleybillpassedpassedbill
  1. Whats the Earth's shape?

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    1. Flat
      30.77%
    2. Big ol ball
      69.23%
 
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  • The heliocentric model is accurate and correct. With a flat earth, the earth may not be able to revolve and rotate. Also, with a flat earth ships, airplanes, etc. would fall off if they would reach the West, East, North, and South.
    ErfisflatSilverishGoldNovafeaOswald_Mosley
  • The heliocentric model is accurate and correct. With a flat earth, the earth may not be able to revolve and rotate. Also, with a flat earth ships, airplanes, etc. would fall off if they would reach the West, East, North, and South.
    The Earth isn't able to revolve and rotate on a flat Earth because it doesn't.



    Image result for spotlight sun

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    Also, there is no edge of the flat Earth, but rather an ice wall in Antarctica

    Image result for antarctic ice wall
    walterbaHankfeanamemcnameOswald_Mosley
     
  • I believe that the Earth is heliocentric. An Antarctic wall of ice may not span all sides of the Earth. Also, planes and boats wouldn’t be able to go back to their previous location if the Earth was flat.
    SilverishGoldNovafea
  • edited October 2017
    walterba said:
    I believe that the Earth is heliocentric. An Antarctic wall of ice may not span all sides of the Earth. Also, planes and boats wouldn’t be able to go back to their previous location if the Earth was flat.

    "An antarctic ice wall may not span" That isn't the only picture of it

    Image result for antarctic ice wall

    Image result for antarctic ice wall

    Also, even if the ice wall did not span around the entire  Earth, that would not guarantee an edge to fall off nor disprove the flat Earth. So this is irrelevant. 

    And to explain boats and planes going around the Earth.

    Image result for flat earth when in reality its this circle
    HankfeaOswald_Mosley
     
  • The earth must be round due to the edges on a flat Earth. Objects and people would fall off the Earth if there was curvature. Also, weather would not be abelt to go around the Earth if it was flat as well as some objects like planes and boats.
    SilverishGoldNovafea
  • melef said:
    The earth must be round due to the edges on a flat Earth. Objects and people would fall off the Earth if there was curvature. Also, weather would not be abelt to go around the Earth if it was flat as well as some objects like planes and boats.

    "Objects and people would fall off the Earth if there was curvature" I'm going to presume you mean if it was flat. I think I got the edge down for you, there isn't an edge to fall off. And I also explained boats and planes, which you are implying are the same as weather. Weather goes across, boats and planes go around.
    HankfeaOswald_Mosley
     
  • HankHank 66 Pts
    edited October 2017
    @SilverishGoldNova Why do you choose to believe that photos from completely uncredible sources are accurate and depict the truth but do not believe the photos NASA provide every single day are real?
    SilverishGoldNovafea
  • edited October 2017
    @Hank ;

    The reason I don't trust NASA imagery is because they have admitted on several occasions to faking images.

    http://debateisland.com/discussion/1283/nasa-admitting-to-faking-images/p2 Have you seen my debate on NASA imagery? I post some links here.

    However, you don't need their word to see it.



    Here we can see the continents shrinking and growing and changing color



    And you can also see copied and pasted clouds.

    The images I provided were provided to address the tired, old, outdated and worthless "Nobody has fallen off the edge of the Earth". The vast majority of globalists I have debated either started out with or turned to the tired, old, outdated and outdated edge argument. You and Trollveny are the only ones who haven't. Again, the images I provided were provided to address the "edge" argument. Could you explain why they are uncredible?
    HankfeaOswald_Mosley
     
  • HankHank 66 Pts
    edited October 2017
    @SilverishGoldNova can you provide me with some sources to show that NASA openly admit to their photos being fake? If you're talking about NASA 'admitting' that their photos are edited using photoshop, that does not mean that they are fake. Most of the photos you see of the Earth consist of several little photos made into one. Apply this principle to other images. If I take a panoramic photo of the beach on my smart phone, that is an image that is made up by several other images. Does that mean that image is fake? Does it not accurately depict the scene I was trying to capture? 

    They are uncredible sources because they've not been verified by any real science or proven to be true through evidence. None of the world's public intellectuals and/or science communicators believe the Earth is flat - they actively promote the factual evidence to show that it is not.

    How would the government benefit from lying to us about the shape of the Earth?

    In your argument of 'the disc shaped Earth', what would happen if you constantly travelled North? We know that because the Earth is round you would end up at the exact place you started. This would be impossible if the Earth was a disc shape?
    SilverishGoldNovafea
  • HankHank 66 Pts
    edited October 2017
    @SilverishGoldNova To directly address the images you posted, if you claim that they're from NASA then you need to provide links to the original photos as published by them. What you've posted looks like a meme and looks entirely uncredible. The only difference in the images of the Earth over the course of 43 years is in the formation and structure of the clouds. Obviously each photo is taken from a different perspective. Do you expect not clouds to change shape over 43 years?
    SilverishGoldNovafea
  • In your argument of 'the disc shaped Earth', what would happen if you constantly travelled North? We know that because the Earth is round you would end up at the exact place you started. This would be impossible if the Earth was a disc shape?
    SilverishGoldNovafea
  • edited October 2017
    I'm gonna repost my argument since apparently debateisland doesn't allow memes.

    Hank said:
    @SilverishGoldNova To directly address the images you posted, if you claim that they're from NASA then you need to provide links to the original photos as published by them. What you've posted looks like a meme and looks entirely uncredible. The only difference in the images of the Earth over the course of 43 years is in the formation and structure of the clouds. Obviously each photo is taken from a different perspective. Do you expect not clouds to change shape over 43 years?


    This is both a strawman and appeal to the stone fallacy. I was never arguing that it was fake because of clouds. You also completed ignored the copied and pasted clouds and regardless of which image you are saying "looks like a meme and looks entirely uncredible", thats a flag. That doesn't disprove that the NASA images look entirely different or that there were C/P clouds.


    @Hank Said
    @SilverishGoldNova can you provide me with some sources to show that NASA openly admit to their photos being fake? If you're talking about NASA 'admitting' that their photos are edited using photoshop, that does not mean that they are fake. Most of the photos you see of the Earth consist of several little photos made into one. Apply this principle to other images. If I take a panoramic photo of the beach on my smart phone, that is an image that is made up by several other images. Does that mean that image is fake? Does it not accurately depict the scene I was trying to capture? 

    They are uncredible sources because they've not been verified by any real science or proven to be true through evidence. None of the world's public intellectuals and/or science communicators believe the Earth is flat - they actively promote the factual evidence to show that it is not.

    How would the government benefit from lying to us about the shape of the Earth?

    In your argument of 'the disc shaped Earth', what would happen if you constantly travelled North? We know that because the Earth is round you would end up at the exact place you started. This would be impossible if the Earth was a disc shape?
    "@SilverishGoldNova can you provide me with some sources to show that NASA openly admit to their photos being fake? If you're talking about NASA 'admitting' that their photos are edited using photoshop, that does not mean that they are fake. Most of the photos you see of the Earth consist of several little photos made into one. Apply this principle to other images. If I take a panoramic photo of the beach on my smart phone, that is an image that is made up by several other images. Does that mean that image is fake? Does it not accurately depict the scene I was trying to capture? " I thought I already gave links and debunked the narrative NASA only does this so they look nice.

    "They are uncredible sources because they've not been verified by any real science or proven to be true through evidence. None of the world's public intellectuals and/or science communicators believe the Earth is flat - they actively promote the factual evidence to show that it is not." This is not a good enough explanation. This is an appeal to authority fallacy. You just claimed that my images were uncredible sources because an authority thinks they're uncredible.


    "In your argument of 'the disc shaped Earth', what would happen if you constantly travelled North? We know that because the Earth is round you would end up at the exact place you started. This would be impossible if the Earth was a disc shape?" I already explained that, no matter how many times you posted. Boats and planes can still go around a disk shaped Earth.

    Also, I noticed you went back and flagged a bunch of my posts as fallacy. Could you explain what fallacies I used, like I did with you? Or, is it just because I flagged some of your posts as a fallacy?
    feaOswald_Mosley
     
  • edited October 2017
    Also IM the one gish galloping?
    Indeed, friend. You started off with NASA, then when this got refuted you turned to calling me a moron and saying that I didn't understand technology and then went on a gish gallop about 9/11 and Obama, afterwards you went to random and nonsensical arguments claiming that we can't go around the Earth on a GLOBE (Which is just desperate as hell), and that we cant on a DISK, then you went on yet another gish gallop about gravity. So just leave, and come back with civil conduct and legitmate arguments. If you can't do that then you don't belong on a debating website.
    Oswald_MosleyHank
     
  • @SilverishGoldNova Could you explain why you deleted my post that had points you couldn't refute? 

    I'm not asking about planes and boast going around the disc shaped earth, I'm asking if they went in one straight line continuously. They would eventually have to reach the edge.
    Oswald_Mosley
  • @SilverishGoldNova ;To address your original argument which I already responded too, but you got embarrassed and deleted it -

     

    If you're going to claim that the photos of the earth are original from NASA, you need to provide links to the publications made by them of the same photos. The chance that they have been manipulated to fool people like you is very, very high.

     

    "What colour are the oceans and the land?" The colour of the oceans and the land differentiates in each photo because of the technology that was available at the time.

     

    "Why is there never any real video of the Earth spinning?
     http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/108981733

     

    "Why are the images so varied?" Because each photo is taken on a different camera showing the earth at a different point in time, from a different perspective.

     

    I didn't ignore the point of copy & pasted clouds, I asked you to provide links to the original photos as published by NASA to prove that the photo you posted has not been tampered with or altered.

     

    I am not claiming that scientists and cosmologists are immune to making mistakes. But are you telling me that for centuries every astronomer, astrophysicist, cosmologist, scientists and every other kind of public intellectual have been consciously lying and/or making critical mistakes in their research for several centuries?



    Can you also explain the above diagram?

  • edited October 2017
    @Hank I see you two are going to just flag my posts as fallacies. That was the first real argument you posted. I'll type out a rebuttal unless Erfisflat wants it.
     
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 847 Pts
    edited October 2017
    Hank said:
    @SilverishGoldNova Could you explain why you deleted my post that had points you couldn't refute? 

    I'm not asking about planes and boast going around the disc shaped earth, I'm asking if they went in one straight line continuously. They would eventually have to reach the edge.
    Sorry, but I'm here to help. Flying in a straight line for thousands of miles is impossible on both models. Travel over long distances is done with a compass. East and West are only relative. Now if you were to travel south continuously, in a straight line you would reach Antarctica and would be forced to turn around either by force or lack of supply. Does it seem more likely that we are flying in a wide circle or that we are descending constantly? The rate would be noticeable if you do the math. In reality, planes fly from port to port in straight lines with circumnavigation. 
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    https://www.gofundme.com/mwmvf-is-the-earth-flat
  • @Erfisflat so you're claiming that there is some kind of magical force that takes control of your aircraft and spins you around mid-flight? Seems very logical.
    Oswald_Mosley
  • edited October 2017
    I spent alot of this debate attempting to show you that NASA imagery is faked, and you two won't listen to that, but maybe you'll listen to this


    It is told we can see curvature at 35,000 feet but there is none to be seen here. Also, this is not the full rebuttal to Hank's post. I know you two are probably going to start another series of spamming, ranting and gish galloping, and flag my post as a fallacy, but here you go.


    Oswald_Mosley
     
  • @SilverishGoldNova have you ever been on a plane in your life? You can so clearly see the curvature of the Earth.

    SilverishGoldNovapassedbill
  • Hank said:
    @SilverishGoldNova have you ever been on a plane in your life? You can so clearly see the curvature of the Earth.

    Ahem, it's an image from 317,000 feet, planes typically don't go above 35,000 feet.
     
  • passedbillpassedbill 68 Pts
    edited October 2017
    @SilverishGoldNova , the Earth is flat. There may be large areas of ice on the sides of Earth. Planes may only fly to certain altitude where you can not see curvature.
  • Hank said:
    @Erfisflat so you're claiming that there is some kind of magical force that takes control of your aircraft and spins you around mid-flight? Seems very logical.
    I don't think I mentioned anything about a magical force. Seems even more logical you would say this. You like building strawmen?
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    https://www.gofundme.com/mwmvf-is-the-earth-flat
  • Also Gish Galloping is meant for individual weak arguments. What we've been saying has been proven by math and science and yet all your sources seem to be based off of things you have made yourself. It seems that you are the one deleting posts and gish galloping in order to create for yourself debates that are meant to be seen as real. We have used evidence from reliable sources now it's your turn.
    HankSilverishGoldNova
  • Try to answer @Hank and I's  questions instead of your false imagery made by fake computer programs on an obscure youtube channel.
    HankSilverishGoldNova
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