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>And what is the argument they want you to make?
That morality is not possible without God
>And What is the argument you are making?
That only an objective morality can be authoritative.
>So you say that Christians say Athiest Morality is subjective and invalid and in response, Atheists say Morality is possible without God/Religion correct?
Yes.
Look at the example in my definition of authority. A mob my have the "authority" (power/ability) to punish a criminal, but only a valid court has the "authority" (ethical right, along with power/ability) to punish a criminal.
This is why if I shot a prisoner who had been sentenced to death by the state, I would still be charged with murder because I do not have the "authority" to execute him even if I have the power to do so.
The principle behind the Christian's argument doesn't even require God. But when we tell the atheist this, he is so paranoid and trapped in his silly dichotomy, he simply ignores it and persists in thinking the Christian is attempting to advocate God.
>Ok. So what is it that you're trying to advocate yourself?
Nothing. I am opposing the topic of the thread by showing atheists that their subjective, no authority morality cannot be used to judge anyone.
>What do you hope the atheist will achieve by pretending to be agnostic?Freedom from the bias that cripples their ability to think clearly.
See? I answered all your questions squarely. Because I have a coherent world-view. If I tried to ask you questions like you just did me, you would dodge, obfuscate, play obtuse, and claim my questions were not pertinent.
You would be slippery because answering honestly would show your worldview to be irrational.
This is why you want to stay asking questions (anal ones at that) so that you don't have to answer any yourself.
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>Ok. So what is it that you're trying to advocate yourself?
Nothing. I am opposing the topic of the thread by showing atheists that their subjective, no authority morality cannot be used to judge anyone.
Don't you think someone with a coherent world-view wouldn't make the assumption that the person they're talking to is some kind of irrational atheist based purely on the premise that they're just merely asking questions which by the way are questions for clarity?
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That is good to know. But I don't know if you disagree that atheists want me to make another argument, or that only an objective morality can be authoritative.
That is the kind of evasive equivocation I find common in atheists.
It is illogical rubbish trying to pose as morality. People who like it are free to use it as their moral standard, but not free to try to pass it off as an objective morality. Truth and logic are not negotiable.
There is no such thing as religious morality. Only sentient beings can have a morality. I say the same thing about agnostic morality.
It can be. But I think you slightly missed the point.
>Ok. So what is it that you're trying to advocate yourself?
Nothing. I am opposing the topic of the thread by showing atheists that their subjective, no authority morality cannot be used to judge anyone.
I agree and have not contradicted that.
>A lot of people that preach about morality too are not the authority on what they preach either; they just have the mere illusion of being authoritative the subject.
That is not the meaning of authority used in the ethics of Authority.
Another example. A man enters a house at night and climbs into the bed of a woman sleeping therein.
Her husband has the authority to do so, no one else does. Authority implies the "rightness" to exercise privilege or power. Not the possession of privilege or power.
>Furthermore, I also think some people get confused about subjectivity and objectivity and don't realize that people can be objective about subjective things and vice versa.
Good to know. But both words have very definite meanings.
The typical one, a desire to protect a belief they hold that has no evidence in its favor.
Are you an atheist?
>Don't you think someone with a coherent world-view wouldn't make the assumption that the person they're talking to is some kind of irrational atheist based purely on the premise that they're just merely asking questions which by the way are questions for clarity?
I made no assumption. Atheism is irrational. And I gave healthy respect to my 57 years of experience. If I am wrong about you, you will be highly uncommon, and I will be both refreshed and apologetic.
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Any religion with a creator god is absolutely false because of this: If god creates the universe, then there is a sequence of prior creation --> creation --> post creation. So, if god is now bound to a sequence, that means there's a higher rule than god and thus god is no longer god.
How do you know this? did you show any proof? God created the Universe.
Source: https://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html
More Websites: https://www.reasonablefaith.org/writings/popular-writings/existence-nature-of-god/does-god-exist/
https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2016/05/three_problems_with_the_big_bang.html
https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/source/aquinas3.asp
You can read those websites in your spare time.
Pslam 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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Any Religion With A Creator God Is Absolutely False
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