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Is Donald Trump REALLY that bad?
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By YeshuaBoughtYeshuaBought 417 Pts
AlofRI
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  • TKDBTKDB 256 Pts
    Compare Trump, to how the other previous Presidents, dealt with the Border Wall situations, and addressed them through their individual efforts? 

    And other Presidents, have had their negative detractors as well.
    Zombieguy1987
  • AlofRIAlofRI 247 Pts
    Well, let's see. The right jumped all over Obama when they said he lied. That was mostly about things he WANTED to happen, but, got shot down by the "do nothing Congress (and the block everything Senate), who did all they could to make the ACA something it wasn't intended to be. They were aghast at his "deportation of illegals" though HE was sticking to Constitutional rule … and he didn't "lose" children. He worked with the Russian President (Medvedev) to try to keep a good relationship with Russia, but, Putin shut that down. He didn't "rile up" his base to do vile things.

    T-Rump, on the other hand, lies every day (11,000 and counting), He not only whittled away at the ACA, he TOOK IT AWAY from many children (one of his very first moves), He intentionally separated children (child abuse), from their parents and LOST them. He admitted (even bragged about) sexually abusing women. He passed a tax bill selling it as "for the middle class", while telling his rich friends "I just made you a LOT richer!". He said he was going to be TOO BUSY to play as much golf as Obama did, then proceeded to cost taxpayers $millions playing FAR MORE, and at his own courses (where he charged the Secret Service obnoxious prices to do their job)! He put his non-security vetted son-in-law (666) in high security jobs where he is a danger to the country. He has secret meetings with the now Russian President that can't be trusted, but, that's better than the recorded meetings of Obama … somehow. He insults war heroes in Normandy, insults our allies constantly, insults Congress persons constantly, demands loyalty from government offices that are supposed to be loyal to THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. He's castrated our National Security Departments AND the State Department. He's destroying our National Parks, allowing polluters to function without much control at all. Pouring tax money  into a few farmers to slow their destruction. Taking in $millions from foreign countries at his hotels and resorts (and Trump Tower). He's deregulating Wall Street and mega banks so they can screw the people as they did in the last conservative administration. He's allowing the drug cartel to filch Americans of $billions. He's STILL trying to take away our health insurance. 
    Let's see, have I forgotten anything?? yes, many things, but, I don't like to make myself angry. :s  He's SUCH a nice guy! ;)
    CYDdhartaJoshBaileyTHEDENIERPlaffelvohfen
  • TKDBTKDB 256 Pts
    edited August 11
    @AlofRI

    And when it came to the ACA, did Obama tell the entire truth, or did he tell enough of a story, to make the ACA appealing, or seem like it was a fair and equal act? 

    Where is your supporting information to support your below claims?

    "T-Rump, on the other hand, lies every day (11,000 and counting), He not only whittled away at the ACA, he TOOK IT AWAY from many children (one of his very first moves), He intentionally separated children (child abuse), from their parents and LOST them. He admitted (even bragged about) sexually abusing women. He passed a tax bill selling it as "for the middle class", while telling his rich friends "I just made you a LOT richer!". He said he was going to be TOO BUSY to play as much golf as Obama did, then proceeded to cost taxpayers $millions playing FAR MORE, and at his own courses (where he charged the Secret Service obnoxious prices to do their job)! He put his non-security vetted son-in-law (666) in high security jobs where he is a danger to the country. He has secret meetings with the now Russian President that can't be trusted, but, that's better than the recorded meetings of Obama … somehow. He insults war heroes in Normandy, insults our allies constantly, insults Congress persons constantly, demands loyalty from government offices that are supposed to be loyal to THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. He's castrated our National Security Departments AND the State Department. He's destroying our National Parks, allowing polluters to function without much control at all. Pouring tax money  into a few farmers to slow their destruction. Taking in $millions from foreign countries at his hotels and resorts (and Trump Tower). He's deregulating Wall Street and mega banks so they can screw the people as they did in the last conservative administration. He's allowing the drug cartel to filch Americans of $billions. He's STILL trying to take away our health insurance. 
    Let's see, have I forgotten anything?? yes, many things, but, I don't like to make myself angry."
    AlofRI
  • DeeDee 652 Pts
    Donald Trump is to non Americans anyway viewed correctly as a village idiot and at times comedy gold , the man is a compulsive liar and a raging egotist , in fairness he plays his American supporters beautifully by saying all the things they love to hear and they lap his every word up as fact such is their adulation of the puffed up bully and egotists total hold over them 
    CYDdhartaPlaffelvohfenAlofRI
  • Wages have stagnant growth: https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickwwatson/2018/09/25/real-wage-growth-is-actually-falling/#50f085e57284 ;
    57 to 63% of Americans can't afford a sudden $500 bill which is even worse considering how bad our healthcare system is: https://www.forbes.com/sites/maggiemcgrath/2016/01/06/63-of-americans-dont-have-enough-savings-to-cover-a-500-emergency/
    US labor force participation rate is only 62.9%: https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/labor-force-participation-rate
    Bottom 90% of Americans make 35k (average): https://inequality.org/facts/income-inequality/
    The economy doesn't look too good for the average American. 

    This is not to mention his failure with Iran and tariffs with China. His tax bill raises it on middle class over time and much much more. 
    CYDdhartaTHEDENIERPlaffelvohfenAlofRI
  • TKDBTKDB 256 Pts
    edited August 12
    @Dee

    All of the Previous Presidents, have had their issues, haven't they?

    Name a perfect President, from your education on Presidential History? 


    Carter? The Hostage Crisis

    Reagan? Iran Contra.

    Nixon? Impeached.

    JFK? 

    Clinton? Impeached. 
     
    Obama? ACA

    Johnson? Vietnam

    Lincoln?

    Washington? 

    Bush, one and two? 


    When hasn't a Political Representative, told a set of words, to sell any ideal to the public? 

    "Donald Trump is to non Americans anyway viewed correctly as a village idiot and at times comedy gold , the man is a compulsive liar and a raging egotist , in fairness he plays his American supporters beautifully by saying all the things they love to hear and they lap his every word up as fact such is their adulation of the puffed up bully and egotists total hold over them."
    AlofRI
  • DeeDee 652 Pts
    @TKDB

    Trump beats them all as in an all round despicable piece of work 
    JoshBaileyPlaffelvohfenAlofRI
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 1793 Pts
    edited August 12
    He is not much better or worse than the average president in history. People in the US pay too much attention to the executive branch and too little attention to the other two branches, while in reality those other two branches is where the real change is made. The president simply makes immediate decisions and sets the overall tone of the political discussion; he/she personally has little influence on the long-term trends in the country.

    Aside from tariffs and subsidies, he has a fairly reasonable economical vision, something that could not be said about his predecessor. At the same time, I was disappointed with his fiscal irresponsibility, where, against all his promises, he happily endorses increased governmental spending. It seems fiscal irresponsibility runs in the Washington family, and the competition is more for who outspends who, rather than who solves the issue.

    His views on immigration are abysmal, but I like it that he openly opposes socialism, political correctness and censorship. I dislike his assault on the media: there is a lot to criticise in how the media in the US act, but attacking them and threatening them all the time is not the way to go about it. Someone like Ron Paul is much more reasonable in this regard.
    piloteerZombieguy1987
  • TKDBTKDB 256 Pts
    edited August 12
    @Dee Why didn't you fully address the question


    @JoshBailey Why the thumbs up?


    Zombieguy1987
  • TKDBTKDB 256 Pts
    edited August 12
    It's amazing how individuals dance around around these Presidential Questions via their own individual rhetoric answers?

    All of the Previous Presidents, have had their issues, haven't they?

    Name a perfect President, from your education on Presidential History? 


    Carter? The Hostage Crisis

    Reagan? Iran Contra.

    Nixon? Impeached.

    JFK? 

    Clinton? Impeached. 
     
    Obama? ACA

    Johnson? Vietnam

    Lincoln?

    Washington? 

    Bush, one and two? 

    They all had their own rhetoric, and they said things that both their liberal, and conservative counter parts disagreed with.

    When hasn't a Political Representative, told a set of words, to sell any ideal to the public? 



    Zombieguy1987AlofRI
  • TKDBTKDB 256 Pts
    @MayCaesar

    Illegal immigration shouldn't have been allowed to become the illegal immigration nightmare in the United States that it's become to begin with.

    And the 300 Sanctuary Cities, are a part of the blame, along with those businesses that utilize them under the table, along with those political representatives who support open borders, along with those businesses along the border who make money off of the illegal immigrants as well.

    And apparently at the cost for profits and votes?

    And at the cost of innocent US citizens, that's not fair? 
    Zombieguy1987
  • DeeDee 652 Pts
    @TKDB

    You say ......Why didn't you fully address the question

    My reply .....But I did the question asked about Trump no one else , you as usual fail again to comprehend simple questions 


    You say .......@JoshBailey Why the thumbs up?

    My reply .....Because Josh being an intelligent person appreciates the veracity of my words regarding Trumpet 
  • TKDBTKDB 256 Pts
    edited August 12
    @Dee

    You're an education to me, because you're from another country. 

    I support whoever is in the Oval Office.

    But their individual Presidential actions, do define their times in Office.

    Obama's actions, define his time in office.

    And the same for Clinton, and the Bushes. 
  • MayCaesarMayCaesar 1793 Pts
    @TKDB

    Up until year 1913, the borders were completely open, and anyone who wanted to could just walk in and settle in the US. There were a lot of Mexican immigrants back then, and nothing terrible happened.

    This rise of nationalism and anti-immigrant scare existing nowadays is really an unnatural phenomenon, orchestrated by certain influence groups, and completely unrelated to the natural demand. No one would even think about dangers of immigration, if there were not thousands public doomsayers telling everyone how immigrants are ruining their country.

    Both nationalism and socialism rising in the US are results of two different brands of fear-mongering, both having only one goal: to give the forces promoting them more power over the people. It is exactly the thing Thomas Jefferson warned about; he foresaw that fear-mongering power groups would eventually scare people into submission, and the republic would be undermined.

    You are being manipulated, persuaded into supporting the people who do not have your best interest in mind - and you do not even realise that, because those very people tell you that the real villain is on the other side. While the reality is, both sides are villains, and neither cares about the people.
    CYDdhartaPlaffelvohfenpiloteerZombieguy1987
  • DeeDee 652 Pts
    @TKDB

    You say .....I support whoever is in the Oval Office.

    My reply .....Many Germans said the same of Hitler 

    You say ......But their individual Presidential actions, do define their times in Office.

    Obama's actions, define his time in office.

    And the same for Clinton, and the Bushes. 

    My reply .....Correct but the question is still about Trump 
    AlofRI
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1127 Pts
    Dee said:
    @TKDB

    You say .....I support whoever is in the Oval Office.

    My reply .....Many Germans said the same of Hitler 

    You say ......But their individual Presidential actions, do define their times in Office.

    Obama's actions, define his time in office.

    And the same for Clinton, and the Bushes. 

    My reply .....Correct but the question is still about Trump 



    piloteerZombieguy1987
  • DeeDee 652 Pts
    @CYDdharta

    Absolute Law Bwaaaaaaahahahahahaha The comparison is apt but like most brainwashed flag waving Trumpers you’re to close to the woods to see the trees now that’s absolute law 
    PlaffelvohfenAlofRI
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1127 Pts
    Dee said:
    @CYDdharta

    Absolute Law Bwaaaaaaahahahahahaha The comparison is apt but like most brainwashed flag waving Trumpers you’re to close to the woods to see the trees now that’s absolute law 

    LOL, you decided to continue the irony.


    piloteerZombieguy1987AlofRI
  • DeeDee 652 Pts
    @CYDdharta

    LOL you decided to remain firmly as one of the flag waving sheeple , trump loves his devoted flock 
    PlaffelvohfenAlofRI
  • TKDBTKDB 256 Pts
    edited August 12
    @Dee

    "LOL you decided to remain firmly as one of the flag waving sheeple , trump loves his devoted flock."

    Sheeple?

    Are you, maybe confusing Religion with Politics?


    Zombieguy1987AlofRI
  • TKDBTKDB 256 Pts
    edited August 12
    @Dee

    "My reply .....Many Germans said the same of Hitler."

    Get a better comeback line. 


    But their individual Presidential actions, do define their times in Office.

    Obama's actions, define his time in office.

    And the same for Clinton, and the Bushes. 

    @Dee

    "My reply .....Correct but the question is still about Trump."

    And Trump is the PRESIDENT, and those past Presidents, and bringing them up is fair and equal to this conversation.

    Fair and equal debate Dee. 









  • DeeDee 652 Pts
    @TKDB

    You say ......Get a better comeback line. 

    My reply .....It works for me 


    You say  ......But their individual Presidential actions, do define their times in Office.

    Obama's actions, define his time in office.

    And the same for Clinton, and the Bushes. 

    My reply .......Thank you for stating the obvious again 



    You say ......And Trump is the PRESIDENT, and those past Presidents, and bringing them up is fair and equal to this conversation.

    My reply .....It’s actually not as it’s still not about them , that aside I agree you Americans cannot find one decent person as president seems to be a purely American thing , thank you for acknowledging that 

    You say .....Fair and equal debate Dee. 

    My reply .....Fair and equal indeed you’ve just admitted each and everyone of your presidents has been bad as each other ......That was pretty easy .......Bet you will try to deny it next 
  • TKDBTKDB 256 Pts
    edited August 12
    @MayCaesar

    The current year is 2019, and not 1913, so that nixes your 1913 argument. 

    "Up until year 1913, the borders were completely open, and anyone who wanted to could just walk in and settle in the US. There were a lot of Mexican immigrants back then, and nothing terrible happened.

    This rise of nationalism and anti-immigrant scare existing nowadays is really an unnatural phenomenon, orchestrated by certain influence groups, and completely unrelated to the natural demand. No one would even think about dangers of immigration, if there were not thousands public doomsayers telling everyone how immigrants are ruining their country.

    Both nationalism and socialism rising in the US are results of two different brands of fear-mongering, both having only one goal: to give the forces promoting them more power over the people. It is exactly the thing Thomas Jefferson warned about; he foresaw that fear-mongering power groups would eventually scare people into submission, and the republic would be undermined."

    @MayCaesar

    Prove, that I am being manipulated? 

    What nationwide news media outlet sources, are you basing your opinion on? 

    Here's some to choose from: CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NPR, OAN, NBC, Fox news? 

    Does YouTube, Hulu, Netflix, or Amazon, maybe have news media outlets, that some of the public reading this forum, aren't, currently aware of? 

    "You are being manipulated, persuaded into supporting the people who do not have your best interest in mind - and you do not even realize that, because those very people tell you that the real villain is on the other side. While the reality is, both sides are villains, and neither cares about the people."

    @MayCaesar


    Do those 22 million illegal immigrants, currently living in the United States, have my best interest in mind?

    What about those illegal immigrants who have killed innocent people, do you think that they had their victims, best interest in mind? 

    Their CRIMES tell me, and the rest of the law abiding public plenty. 

    Those 22 million illegal immigrants, or alien's are villainizing themselves.



    The truth, they have their own best interests in mind, don't they?

    And those 300 Sanctuary Cities, they have their best interests in mind, in a country based on laws, while the rest of the law abiding public, has to put up with that mess. 

    If those 22 million illegal immigrants or alien's, had come to the United States, legally, then that is when they would have has this countries, best interests in mind. 

    That's the truth, and the history behind, their back stories, all 22 million of them.







    Zombieguy1987
  • TKDBTKDB 256 Pts
    @Dee

    Get a better comeback line. 

    "My reply .....It works for me"

    And I can see how you work your words, from your own pedestal?  


    @Dee

    Attacking Trump, from your own electronic device, is easy, isn't it? 



    Clinton was impeached, which makes him worse then Trump.

    Nixon was impeached, which makes him worse than Trump.

    Carter, goofed up, and he's still brought up in historical conversations, in regards to US Presidents.

    I base my conversation on FACTS, and HISTORY, instead of Opinion. 

    Fair, and equal conversations. 




    Zombieguy1987
  • DeeDee 652 Pts
    @TKDB

    You say ......And I can see how you work your words, from your own pedestal?  

    My reply .....Who else’s do you suppose I should @Dee


    You say .......Attacking Trump, from your own electronic device, is easy, isn't it? 

    My reply .....It’s very easy , you attacked all the other American Presidents from your own device was that equally easy?



    You say .....Clinton was impeached, which makes him worse then Trump.

    My reply .....Worse according to who?

    You say .....Nixon was impeached, which makes him worse than Trump.

    My reply .....Worse according to who?

    You say ......Carter, goofed up, and he's still brought up in historical conversations, in regards to US Presidents.

    My reply ......I realise you’ve already admitted America had dreadful presidents and each one is as bad as the others so what’s your point exactly?

    You say ......I base my conversation on FACTS, and HISTORY, instead of Opinion. 

    My reply .......You’ve admitted and keep admitting all your presidents have been terrible I get it what’s your point?

    All you’ve actually is indeed your opinion, do you know what the word even means?

    You say ......Fair, and equal conversations. 

    My reply .....Which you have yet to do as has been pointed out by me and others many times 
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1127 Pts
    Dee said:
    @CYDdharta

    LOL you decided to remain firmly as one of the flag waving sheeple , trump loves his devoted flock 
    ...and you remain one of the flag-burning bots; ANTIFA loves them their bots.
  • DeeDee 652 Pts
    @CYDdharta

    You say ......and you remain one of the flag-burning bots;

    My reply ......I never burned a flag in my life and it’s most amusing that you as one of Trumps flock would assume such 

    You say .....lANTIFA loves them their bots.

    My reply .....I don’t know or care who what that crowd do as I haven’t a clue who or what they are .......No doubt the majority of your opinions come courtesy of the NRA 
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1127 Pts
    Dee said:
    @CYDdharta

    My reply ......I never burned a flag in my life and it’s most amusing that you as one of Trumps flock would assume such
    ...so you say.

    You say .....lANTIFA loves them their bots.

    My reply .....I don’t know or care who what that crowd do as I haven’t a clue who or what they are .......No doubt the majority of your opinions come courtesy of the NRA

    Another unbelievable statement, as Antifa is your comrades in arms. 
  • DeeDee 652 Pts
    @CYDdharta

    .You say ..so you say.

    My reply ......Yes so I do 


    You say .......Another unbelievable statement, as Antifa is your comrades in arms.  

    My reply ......You’re  not in a position to tell the believable from the unbelievable as you believe every word that Trump and the NRA say .......I still don’t know who these people are and I still don’t bear arms 
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 1127 Pts
    Dee said:

    My reply ......You’re  not in a position to tell the believable from the unbelievable as you believe every word that Trump and the NRA say .......I still don’t know who these people are and I still don’t bear arms 

    I could do worse as I'm sure you do.  The NRA is the nation's oldest civil rights organization.
  • TKDBTKDB 256 Pts
    edited August 12
    @Dee

    You say .......Attacking Trump, from your own electronic device, is easy, isn't it? 

    "My reply .....It’s very easy , you attacked all the other American Presidents from your own device was that equally easy?"

    @Dee

     I didn't attack any of the previous Presidents, being that their OWN action's speak for themselves, that's why they call it history?

    @Dee

    Just as you have an individual history of calling people names, and that fact is YOURS, because you have made it a practice to carry on, individually, in how you carry on with others verbally? 



  • TKDBTKDB 256 Pts
    edited August 12
    @Dee

    You say .....Clinton was impeached, which makes him worse then Trump.

    "My reply .....Worse according to who?"


    @Dee

    So Clinton being Impeached, isn't worse, than Trump not being Impeached? 


    I'll tell you what, I'll create another debate, and pose the above question to the public, of the United States, and we'll, see how they view the overall response?

    Chances are, that there are a fair amount of the liberal followers of the "Clinton" history, who will likely defend Clinton, regardless? 



  • Well, as far as I know, Donald Trump has not created a time similar to that of the Anne Frank Error.

    The unexamined thought is not worth thinking.

  • DeeDee 652 Pts
    @TKDB


    You said ......Clinton was impeached, which makes him worse then Trump


    Then you quoted ......


    So Clinton being Impeached, isn't worse, than Trump not being Impeached? 



    Where did I mention impeachment as being the criteria for who is worse?


    Your dishonesty is appalling 

  • DeeDee 652 Pts
    @ZeusAres42

    In fairness what I actually said was in response to someone else was ........

    My point is it’s ridiculous to support anyone just because they make to the Oval Office and it’s obviously not true as others continue to point out the flaws in other presidents who were in the Oval Office 


    You say .....I support whoever is in the Oval Office.

    My reply .....Many Germans said the same of Hitler 
  • the worst
    piloteer
    The passion for destruction is also a creative passion. Mikhail Bakunin

  • Trump has failed publically so many times it is easy to forget his early snafus. If any other president had left as many positions unfilled as Trump, we would've seen nonstop coverage claiming they were consolidating power for the executive branch. Yet with Trump, this potentially autocratic measure was barely mentioned because of so many public gaffs. The stupidity in public is one reason why many people believe he is the worst. The actual policy actions prove it far more than what is mentioned. When I see Trump, I see something eerily similar to the current prime minister in England, Borris Johnson. The use of comedy and stupidity to cover for what he either doesn't understand or to get away with what he knows is unacceptable. 

    As far as the border wall goes, from the original argument, other presidents have advocated for a border wall. As a part of immigration reform. Yet our current president does not have a comprehensive plan to help legal immigration. He wants to use punishment as a deterrent before providing an easy alternative to the illegal crossing. This is where Trump is far worse on this issue than any other previous leader. They either had an overall goal to ensure immigrants could come easier first, or allowed congress to act on the issue without much input. He actively makes immigration reform more difficult by focusing so strongly on punishment before reform. 

    Lastly, the comparison to Hitler. The Hitler comparison actually punches very hard when trying to explain it. It certainly paints some minor parallels, if not a clear warning. The blind use of nationalism to demonize certain groups as a pretense to remain or obtain more power. I certainly believe this could be a warning about our current president, and I doubt anything he can do from now on will change anyone's mind about it. They either believe this is true, or that it is completely off base. Either way, his actions from now until the election will not change the comparison, and it will continue to be made. 
  • Dee said:
    @ZeusAres42

    In fairness what I actually said was in response to someone else was ........

    My point is it’s ridiculous to support anyone just because they make to the Oval Office and it’s obviously not true as others continue to point out the flaws in other presidents who were in the Oval Office 


    You say .....I support whoever is in the Oval Office.

    My reply .....Many Germans said the same of Hitler 
    I think you might have meant to respond to someone else here. I never said I support who ever is in office.



    The unexamined thought is not worth thinking.

  • DeeDee 652 Pts
    @ZeusAres42

    Sorry Z I thought the Anne Frank comment was directed at my comment 
  • TKDBTKDB 256 Pts
    @Dee

    It's called Fair and Equal Debate.

    Obama, Clinton, Carter, Both Bushes, and Trump, all get fair and equal attention when it comes to their Presidential Histories, there are no exclusivities. 

    "My point is it’s ridiculous to support anyone just because they make to the Oval Office"

    "and it’s obviously not true as others continue to point out the flaws in other presidents who were in the Oval Office" 
  • TKDBTKDB 256 Pts
    edited August 13
    @JoshBailey

    So you don't agree with Trump?

    OK, you're argument has been noted.


  • DeeDee 652 Pts
    @TKDB

    I haven’t a clue what you’re rambling about anymore 
  • TKDBTKDB 256 Pts
    @billbatard

    The country deserves a Border Wall, not more Sanctuary Cities, that have been pandering to the 22 million illegal immigrants, who are already here illegally.

    It doesn't deserve, to see more recreational marijuana legalized in the rest of the U.S., just to pander to those marijuana user's, marijuana use?

    Because the above examples are what Socialist Liberal, and Liberal thinking looks like.

    And the United States as a whole, deserves better Leadership, than the below list of individuals, could provide to the country as a whole, because Socialist Liberal, and Liberal thinking, only addresses, the Socialist Liberal, and Liberal followers, who identify with the below list of individuals right?

    So how would they being President, make the country better, being that their constituents needs, and their political needs, would undermine the country, as a whole? 



    @billbatard

    "the worst"

    Below are the worst:

    Joe Biden.

    Hillary Clinton.

    (Nancy Pelosi.
    Chuck Schumer.
    They are on the list as honorable mentions.)

    Kamala Harris.

    Beto O'Rourke.

    Cory Booker.

    OAC.

    Bernie Sanders.

    Elizabeth Warren.


    AlofRI
  • DeeDee 652 Pts
    @TKDB

    You say ..... I didn't attack any of the previous Presidents, being that their OWN action's speak for themselves, that's why they call it history?

    My reply .....Therefore using your “logic” I didn’t attack Trump either 

    @Dee

    You say ..Just as you have an individual history of calling people names, and that fact is YOURS, because you have made it a practice to carry on, individually, in how you carry on with others verbal

    My reply ...... 
    Just as you have an individual history of calling people names, and that fact is YOURS, because you have made it a practice to carry on, individually, in how you carry on with others verbal@Dee
  • TKDBTKDB 256 Pts
    @Dee

    "I haven’t a clue what you’re rambling about anymore"

    And thank you for educating the debate public, on your debate style.

    It's called Fair and Equal Debate.

    Obama, Clinton, Carter, Both Bushes, and Trump, all get fair and equal attention when it comes to their Presidential Histories, there are no exclusivities. 

    "My point is it’s ridiculous to support anyone just because they make to the Oval Office"

    "and it’s obviously not true as others continue to point out the flaws in other presidents who were in the Oval Office"  
  • TKDBTKDB 256 Pts
    edited August 13
    @Dee

    "My reply .....Therefore using your “logic” I didn’t attack Trump either."

    I'm a fair and equal debater.

    Your own words towards Trump, IE attacking words:

    "Donald Trump is to non Americans anyway viewed correctly as a village idiot and at times comedy gold , the man is a compulsive liar and a raging egotist , in fairness he plays his American supporters beautifully by saying all the things they love to hear and they lap his every word up as fact such is their adulation of the puffed up bully and egotists total hold over them."


    Who are you referring to Dee?

    "My reply ...... 
    Just as you have an individual history of calling people names, and that fact is YOURS, because you have made it a practice to carry on, individually, in how you carry on with others verbally?"
  • The idea of immigration is addressed by creation of a law while what is to be enforced is the general welfare and standard of health by states in the union of 
    America, travel between the states and transition between states is to be medically safe as possible in relationship to disease. A lot of effort is being used to hide truth behind legislation of complex principles.
  • @TKDB ;
    The country deserves a Border Wall. 

    Only so drunk and stoned people don't fall in a largest canal in the world. Another nurishing program? seriously! America needs more than wall and fence America needs international income.

  • TKDBTKDB 256 Pts
    @John_C_87

    The country deserves a Border Wall. 

    What forum topic, is the below from you, being directed at?

    "Only so drunk and stoned people don't fall in a largest canal in the world. Another nurishing program? seriously! America needs more than wall and fence America needs international income."



  • DeeDee 652 Pts
    @TKDB

    You're obviously off your head on booze or drugs yet again I haven’t a clue what you’re on about 
    piloteerAlofRI
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