I am Pro-Life Change my Mind...

TKDB

To the pro Abortion crowd,

Roe V Wade needs to be challenged and changed to REFLECT the RIGHTS of the father of the fetus, and to REFLECT the RIGHTS of the fetus.

Because the current version, of Roe V Wade, violates the RIGHTS of the father of the fetus, and the fetus itself.

And any man or woman, who creates a fetus because they were intimate, and were to LAZY to use CONTRACEPTIVES, shows how some of humanity treats the rest of humanity in "mindfully abortive manner," meaning, they're using Abortion to address their reckless treatment of the rest of humanity overall, regardless of what Roe V Wade says.

I can understand abortion, in the light of Rape or Incest, but when a law has to be created, to give a female a pass, because she created an unwanted fetus with a male, and neglected using commonly available birth control, shows how some are seriously wounding humanity itself, because a male and a female, placed themselves above the life of an unwanted fetus, after having created the fetus?

Abortion isn't the issue, the millions of careless males, and females, who mutually created an unwanted fetus, are the PROBLEM.

And Humanity overall, deserves better, than to have parts of its own species, aborting the other members of it's own species, because of an attitude problem, when it comes to using commonly used birth control, before creating an unwanted fetus?

Using abortion, because a male and a female, were too lazy to use birth control, shows how meaningless life is to some, when it comes to their individual lifestyle choices, over an unwanted fetus?

Roe V Wade needs to be challenged and changed, because the father of the fetus, and the fetus itself, should have rights, just as the female has.

John_C_87

mannyfritz18 said:

@John_C_87 Since when did I begin to put prejudice against women with my statement my state was that I am pro-life i never personally put an attack on women with my statement saying I am pro life it's me stating what I believe and how I want to spark conversation not attack women I believe that abortion is not right and kills living things.... I don't see how I was putting prejudice against women by saying that I am pro-life that's totally irrelevant to the topic.

The prejudice between women officially began in 1973, I'm guessing but maybe before you had been born. Your part in the prejudiced stated as soon as you described being Pro-life and made a connection to abortion with that statement. Not understanding how you are supporting the ongoing prejudice does not make any discrimination less prejudice. Sorry, this is not saying you are being mean intentionally.

manmyfritz18 said: " I believe abortion is not right and kills a living thing."
John_C_87 replies: No, the word abortion instructs you and I to believe some-one is killed, this by a loss of privacy created by the word abortion.

manmyfritz18 said: "I don't see how I was putting prejudice against women ."
All women are united around the topic of birth, whereas men do not give birth. Therefore, women are to be the focus of equality as a creation of birth and creator to birth. The prejudice taking place was never with men it was between women as a group. Men had a say in the matter for it is within our scope of thought to create all women as equal.

Abortion officially places a stop on record. It is only what the word is connected to be stopped that describes killing or not. It is misleading. I hope this helped in making the connection for you to prejudice and what kind of discrimination was taking place for so long.

Dee

@TKDB

You didn’t even read my reply to your question ........which was ..... *****does that mean that you place an incarcerated murderers life, as being more important than the life of an innocent fetus?

I place all life ahead of the unborn which is why criminals have rights and a fetus has zero and believe it or not that’s law even in the U S

You have trouble comprehending answers don’t you ? Read that again maybe?

You’re back to your trolling again .....ssssshhhh there’s adults debating .......

TKDB

@Dee

Show me your evidence in which an incarcerated murderers life has been PUBLICLY placed above a fetuses life?

One ARTICLE from any of these news organizations?
FOX, ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR, WHRO, OAN CNN, MSNBC, or YouTube?

Show me where Roe V Wade, can be used by you to legitimize your self rationalized rhetoric?

"I place all life ahead of the unborn which is why criminals have rights and a fetus has zero and believe it or not that’s law even in the U S

You have trouble comprehending answers don’t you ? Read that again maybe?

You’re back to your trolling again .....ssssshhhh there’s adults debating ......."

@Dee, Where's your Real World evidence?

The pro Life, pro Child, pro Adoption, pro Family, pro Community, and pro Humanity supporters are learning from your pro Abortion teachings.

Dee

@TKDB

***** Show me your evidence in which an incarcerated murderers life has been PUBLICLY placed above a fetuses life?

It’s truly incredible how dim you are , incarcerated murderers are jailed legally in America and serve sentences , a fetus can be aborted legally in America so yes murderers are valued more than fetuses , you really are a very dim person that you need such simplistic concepts spelled out to you

ZeusAres42

@TKDB Still waiting for your answer too:

"if abortion means saving the life of the mother what position are you now? What ever you decide here will lead to the demise of one. So can you really be pro-life here?"

You usually always respond to me. Have you become shy all of a sudden? Because you know can't use the pro-life card here? And that goes for you others that still haven't answered the question?

We_are_accountable

@John_C_87

Keep repeating worthless information about women being equal. Abortion has NOTHING to do with women's equality.

ZeusAres42

@We_are_accountable

And still waiting for your response too. Tell me and forum how saying you need to be consistent with your pro-life views is the same thing as saying that a fetus is a murderer? If this sounds ludicrous it's because it is. But it's what you said @We_are_accountable. So please explain?

TKDB

@ZeusAres42

I'm pro Life, pro Child, pro Adoption, pro Family, pro Community, and pro Humanity, despite your fictionally based teachings, or questions.

@ZeusAres42

Aren't you playing hypothetical fictional games with your below question?

"if abortion means saving the life of the mother what position are you now? What ever you decide here will lead to the demise of one. So can you really be pro-life here?"

@ZeusAres42

I don't debate over fictionally based questions.

TKDB

@ZeusAres42

https://www.verywellfamily.com/termination-of-a-desired-pregnancy-for-medical-reasons-2371777

"Terminating a Desired Pregnancy for Medical Reasons or Poor Prognosis"

You could be self proactive, and interview a lady who has dealt with the above real life situation, and maybe (with her permission,) share some of her testimony with the forum?

ZeusAres42

TKDB said:

@ZeusAres42

https://www.verywellfamily.com/termination-of-a-desired-pregnancy-for-medical-reasons-2371777

"Terminating a Desired Pregnancy for Medical Reasons or Poor Prognosis"

You could be self proactive, and interview a lady who has dealt with the above real life situation, and maybe (with her permission,) share some of her testimony with the forum?

@TKDB answer the question and then I will show you where I am going with this. Who do you choose to save in this situation?

TKDB

@ZeusAres42

You mean control the conversation, to play your typical game.

But I'll save you, from your controlling self.

And answer your question my way, and my answer is still:
I'm still pro Life, pro Child, pro Adoption, pro Family, pro Community, and pro Humanity, despite your fictionally based teachings, or questions.

And I'm not changing my responses to suit your controlling nature.

@ZeusAres42

https://www.verywellfamily.com/termination-of-a-desired-pregnancy-for-medical-reasons-2371777

"Terminating a Desired Pregnancy for Medical Reasons or Poor Prognosis"

You could be self proactive, and interview a lady who has dealt with the above real life situation, and maybe (with her permission,) share some of her testimony with the forum?

John_C_87

We_are_accountable said:

@John_C_87

Keep repeating worthless information about women being equal. Abortion has NOTHING to do with women's equality.

Yes, abortion does have a connection by prejudice between women built around birth as a united state with women of all races can't get any more straight forward or basic than that. This gives it a great value as it can be used as a focus to create all women as equal by tier creator. Birth. Female-specific amputation is not a prejudice set between a woman in the writing of the law. Fsa can only be proven at some time to have been a pregnancy abortion.

John_C_87

@We_are_accountable ;

You may not have a clear understanding of prejudice taking place between women, not between women and men.

ZeusAres42

TKDB said:

@ZeusAres42

You mean control the conversation, to play your typical game.

But I'll save you, from your controlling self.

And answer your question my way, and my answer is still:
I'm still pro Life, pro Child, pro Adoption, pro Family, pro Community, and pro Humanity, despite your fictionally based teachings, or questions.

And I'm not changing my responses to suit your controlling nature.

@ZeusAres42

https://www.verywellfamily.com/termination-of-a-desired-pregnancy-for-medical-reasons-2371777

"Terminating a Desired Pregnancy for Medical Reasons or Poor Prognosis"

You could be self proactive, and interview a lady who has dealt with the above real life situation, and maybe (with her permission,) share some of her testimony with the forum?

@TKDB, right, so you're gonna avoid the issue because you are too scared to answer right? Because you know the pro-life argument breaks down here right? You can say whatever you like. It won't change the truth and reality as it is. But try as much as you must. And good luck with that. And Idk why you're turning the questioning back on me? Answering a question with a question is not ansering a question. You're the one that values the unborn more than the life of the mother. Why is tha t@TKDB?

GnosticChristian

mannyfritz18 said:

I am open to new ideas and give me reasons to why you are pro choice and I will give you my reasons to why I am Pro-Life!

Pro life reasoning speaks for itself. The arguments are sound.

More, to date, have preferred the Pro Choice and have put the sanctity of a reasoning human above the reasoning of a potential human.

The issue is more about the costs involved. I just asked a question that I ask you to consider.

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Would reversing abortion laws bankrupt the U.S.?

The U.S. social infrastructures are already stressed. Not only roads but all systems.

Even as abortions are on the decline, the added strain will hurt on an escalating scale.

If the state takes the responsibility for the best end for those children, it will bankrupt some of them in the long run.

Which states remains unclear, the poorest first. Some that now use cages will have to be updated to a civilized standard for all those millions of new Americans.

Nice that Americans live by the Golden Rule!

It is a pure socialistic form of governance. Not surprising for a fascist power. I am surprised though that it is coming from the right.

Will Trump bankrupt the U.S. with a socialistic and massive expenditure in the mostly poor sectors?

Would the moneyed let him?

Regards

DL

TKDB

@ZeusAres42

1.5 million innocent fetuses are killed each year, because the female, is defending her lifestyle choice, with legalized death, with the sterile anonymous approach called abortion?

"@TKDB, right, so you're gonna avoid the issue because you are too scared to answer right?
Because you know the pro-life argument breaks down here right?
You can say whatever you like.
It won't change the truth and reality as it is.
But try as much as you must.
And good luck with that.
And Idk why you're turning the questioning back on me?
Answering a question with a question is not answering a question.
You're the one that values the unborn more than the life of the mother.
Why is that @TKDB?"

@ZeusAres42

The real world perspectives on Abortion:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_Kingdom

"Attitudes to abortion (Great Britain)

Main article: Societal attitudes towards abortion

"According to a 2004 The Times/Populus survey, Britons' feelings on abortion were:[136]2004 Times/Populus poll

75% of Britons believe abortion should be legal
- 38% of Britons believe abortion should "always" be legal
- 36% of Britons believe abortion should "mostly" be legal
23% of Britons believe abortion should be illegal
- 20% of Britons believe abortion should "mostly" be illegal
- 4% of Britons believe abortion should "always" be illegal

NB: The survey compares the results to respondents' voting habits for mainland parties, indicating the possibility that Northern Ireland was not included in this survey.

2005 YouGov/Daily Telegraph poll

According to an August 2005 YouGov/Daily Telegraph survey, Britons' feelings toward abortion by gestational age were:[137]

2% said it should be permitted throughout pregnancy
25% support maintaining the current limit of 24 weeks
30% would back a measure to reduce the legal limit for abortion to 20 weeks
19% support a limit of 12 weeks
9% support a limit of fewer than 12 weeks
6% responded that abortion should never be allowed

2011 MORI poll

A 2011 poll by MORI [138] surveyed women's attitudes to abortion.

Asked if a woman wants an abortion, she should not have to continue with her pregnancy:

53% Agreed
- 15% Agreed very strongly
- 12% Agreed strongly
- 27% Agreed
22% Neither agreed nor disagreed
17% Disagreed
- 8% Disagreed
- 3% Disagreed strongly
- 5% Disagreed very strongly
5% Did not know
3% Preferred not to answer

Asked if too many women do not think hard enough before having an abortion

37% Agreed
- 8% Agreed very strongly
- 8% Agreed strongly
- 21% Agreed
26% Neither agreed nor disagreed
28% Disagreed
- 16% Disagreed
- 7% Disagreed strongly
- 5% Disagreed very strongly
6% Did not know
3% Preferred not to answer

Asked if it should be made more difficult for women to obtain abortions

23% Agreed
- 7% Agreed very strongly
- 4% Agreed strongly
- 12% Agreed
23% Neither agreed nor disagreed
46% Disagreed
- 25% Disagreed
- 9% Disagreed strongly
- 12% Disagreed very strongly
6% Did not know
2% Preferred not to answer "

TKDB

@ZeusAres42

More information from the same reference source:

"Number of abortions

Percentage of abortions by gestational age in 2004.

In England and Wales, legal abortion statistics are published by the Department of Health and Social Care. The total number for 2018 was 205,295:[116]

191,555 for residents of England;[117]
9,053 for residents of Wales;[118] and
4,687 for non-residents.[119]

Legal abortions were carried out on the following grounds in England and Wales:

196,083 (97.7%) - risk of injury to physical or mental health of the pregnant woman;
3,269 (1.6%) - substantial risk of serious physical or mental abnormality in the unborn child;
1,104 (0.6%) - risk of injury to physical or mental health of any existing children of the family of the pregnant woman;
145 - risk to life or to prevent grave permanent injury (non-emergency);
7 - risk to life or to prevent grave permanent injury (emergency).[120]

Statistics for Scotland are published by NHS Scotland. The total for 2018 was 13,286.[121] A small number of women travel to Scotland from countries where terminations are not so accessible and may be counted as Scottish residents if they provide a temporary Scottish postal address.[122]

Legal abortions were carried out on the following main grounds in Scotland:

13,121 (98.8%) - risk of injury to physical or mental health of the pregnant woman; and
159 (1.2%) - substantial risk of serious physical or mental abnormality in the unborn child.[123]

Where there is only a small number of abortions for a particular ground, the number is suppressed by statisticians to avoid the risk of disclosing the identity of the persons involved, especially in smaller jurisdictions.

Statistics for Northern Ireland are published by the Department of Health. The total for 2017-2018 was 12.[124] As indicated, abortions are permitted in Northern Ireland if the act is to save the life of the mother, or if there is a risk of permanent and serious damage to the mental or physical health of the mother.

In 2018, 1,053 women from Northern Ireland travelled to England or Wales for an abortion; these were undertaken on the following grounds:

1,034 (98.2%) - risk of injury to physical or mental health of the pregnant woman; and
19 (1.8%) - substantial risk of serious physical or mental abnormality in the unborn child.[125]

In the same year, 2,879 women from the Republic of Ireland travelled to England or Wales for an abortion. The main reasons for those abortions were as follows:

2,788 (96.8%) - risk of injury to physical or mental health of the pregnant woman; and
84 (2.9%) - substantial risk of serious physical or mental abnormality in the unborn child.[126]

The Republic introduced limited legislation on abortion through the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Act 2013. The Eighth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland, which had (since 1983) acknowledged the right to life of the unborn child with due regard to the equal right to life of the mother, was repealed by a referendum in May 2018 and new abortion legislation was introduced through the Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act 2018. "

"Post 1967 there was a rapid increase in the annual number of legal abortions, and a decline in sepsis and death due to illegal abortions."

"[127] In 1978 121,754 abortions were performed on women resident in the UK, and 28,015 on non-resident women.[128] The rate of increase fell from the early 1970s and actually dipped from 1991-95 before rising again. The age group with the highest number of abortions per 1000 is amongst those aged 20–24. 2006 statistics for England and Wales revealed that 48% of abortions occurred to women over the age of 25, 29% were aged 20–24; 21% aged under 20 and 2% under 16.[129]

In 2004, there were 185,415 abortions in England and Wales. 87% of abortions were performed at 12 weeks or less and 1.6% (or 2,914 abortions) occurred after 20 weeks. Abortion is free to residents,[127] 82% of abortions were carried out by the public tax-paid National Health Service.[130]

The overwhelming majority of abortions (95% in 2004 for England and Wales) were certified under the statutory ground of risk of injury to the mental or physical health of the pregnant woman.[130]

By 2009 the number of abortions had risen to 189,100. Of this number, 2,085 are as a result of doctors deciding that there is a substantial risk that if the child were born it would suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously handicapped.[131]

In a written answer to Jim Allister, the Northern Ireland health minister Edwin Poots disclosed that 394 abortions were carried out in Northern hospitals for the period 2005/06 to 2009/10 with the footnote that reasons for abortions were not gathered centrally.[132]

190,800 abortions were notified as taking place in England and Wales in 2013. 0.2% fewer than in 2012; 185,331 were to residents of England and Wales. The age-standardised rate was 15.9 abortions per 1,000 resident women aged 15–44 years; this rate increased from 11.0 in 1973, peaked at 17.9 in 2007, and fell to 15.9 in 2013.[133] For comparison, the EU average is only 4.4 abortions per 1,000 women in child-bearing age.[134]

Since approval of abortion in the UK in 1967 to 2014, 8,745,508 abortions have been performed.

In 2018, the total abortions in England and Wales was 205,295. In this year, the abortion rate was highest for those of the age of 21, and 81% were for those who were single.[135] "

The above, is the life and death reality of Abortions in general, in the U.K..

TKDB

@ZeusAres42 ;

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