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@Nomenclature
The claim that Jews have been expelled from 109 countries is a widely cited anti-Semitic conspiracy theory and has no basis in historical fact. The figure of 109 is believed to originate with a list of locations appearing on a longstanding Australian anti-Semitic website. This false claim has also led to frequent use of the number 110 by white supremacists, generally to urge that the United States or some other specific location be the next and 110th place to expel Jews.
In reality, Jews have been expelled from various countries throughout history due to various factors such as discrimination, persecution, pogroms, and wars. For example, Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492 and from France by Louis IX. Jews have also emigrated from countries due to economic reasons, better opportunities, and other factors.
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Yes, I understand. Anything you don't like the sound of is an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. Even when the locations they have been expelled from are systematically listed on Wikipedia and accompanied by credible historical references.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsions_and_exoduses_of_Jews
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@Nomenclature
You mocked me for using Wikipedia as a source. Now you use it. And, by the way, there are not 109 countries in the list.
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@Nomenclature
That's right. Divert and shift the debate when you're losing.
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Awww, I'm sorry. Did you think you were the only person allowed to deflect everything the other person says?
Looks like the Jew got Jewed.
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@Nomenclature
Are you gonna tell us why you used Wikipedia as a source after mocking me for using it?
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I'm a man who appreciates the irony in killing someone with their own sword.
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Sure. Where are the 109 COUNTRIES on the list? I see mostly cities.
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Let's just agree they've been kicked out of a lot of places.
250 Carthage
415 Alexandria
554 Diocese of Clement (France)
561 Diocese of Uzzes (France)
612 Visigoth Spain
642 Visigoth Empire
855 Italy
876 Sens
1012 Mayence
1016 Crimea [to Turkey {Ottoman Empire} and Egypt]
1100s Germany, resettled to Poland
1159 Silesia, resettled to Poland
1181 France
1290 England, by Edward I. This lasted 350 years! Many resettled to Holland
1290 Wales, resettled to France and Holland
1306 France, many going to Provence and Spain
1348 Switzerland
1349 Hielbronn (Germany)
1349-1360 Hungary [to Czech]
1348 Germany, resettled in Czech
1349 Hungary
1350 Crimea [to Poland]
1388 Strasbourg
1394 Germany
1394 France and French Domains, by King Charles
1421-1422 Austria, resettled in Czech
1424 Fribourg & Zurich
1426 Cologne
1432 Savory
1438 Mainz
1439 Augsburg
1445 Out of Lithuania, resettled to Crimea
1446 Bavaria
1453 Franconis
1453 Breslau
1454 Wurzburg
1485 Vincenza (Italy)
1490 Provence [to Italy]
1492 Spain - Jews given three months to accept Christianity or leave. The Alhambra Decree, by Proclamation of King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella
1492-93 Sicily, many going to Tunisia
1494 Silesia, most going to Poland
1495 Lithuania, resettled to Poland
1496-97 Portugal [to Holland, Brazil and Maghreb] {bear in mind the "official" discovery of Brazil, by Portugal, was in 1500!!}
1499 Germany
1510 Naples
1514 Strasbourg
1519 Regensburg
1519 Ratisbon, Germany
1527 Florence
1540 Naples
1542 Bohemia
1550 Genoa
1551 Bavaria
1555 Pesaro
1559 Austria
1561 Prague
1567 Wurzburg, Genoese Republic
1569 All Papal Territory except Rome and Ancona
1571 Brandenburg
1582 Netherlands
1593 Brandenburg, Austria
1597 Cremona, Pavia & Lodi
1598 Genoa, Italy
1614 Frankfort
1615 Worms
1619 Kiev
1649 Ukraine
1654 Little Russia
1654 Recife, Brazil, forced to leave by the Catholic Portuguese. THESE WERE THE FIRST JEWS IN AMERICA, the sefardins, who settled in Manhattan.
1656 Lithuania
1669 Oran (North Africa)
1670 Vienna, by Emperor Leopold I
1683 French Possessions in America, by King Louis XIV
1712 Sandomir
1727 Russia
1738 Wurtemburg
1739-40 LittleRussia
1744 Bohemia
1744 Livonia
1745 Moravia
1753 Kovad (Lithuania)
1761 Bordeaux
1772 Jews deported to the Pale of Settlement (Russia)
1774 Prague, Bohemia and Moravia
1775 Warsaw
1789 Alace
1804 Villages in Russia
1808 Villages & Countrysides (Russia)
1815 Lubeck & Bremen
1815 Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria
1820 Bremes
1843 Russian Border Austria & Prussia
1862 Kentucky, Tennessee and Mississippi. During the heat of the Civil War, in December, by order of U.S. General Ulysses S. Grant, initiating the most blatant official episode of facts about the cheating, robbing Jews in nineteenth-century American history. Jews were undermining the war effort and dealing in contraband and material critical to the military. Grant issued his General Order No. 11. Jews complain to President Lincoln, who reverses the order.
1866 Galatz, Romania
1917 Jaffa and Tel Aviv, by Turkish Authorities
1919 Bavaria (foreign born Jews)
1937 Germany
1938-45 Nazi Controlled Areas
1948 Arab Countries (International Jewish Encyclopedia)
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Also when I was a Catholic the belief was that Jews killed Jesus after they sentenced him to death in a rabbinical court ; there's 2 billion Catholics that aren't to fond of them it seems ......the Germans had a bit of a falling out with them also .....just saying
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One of my tutors in college years ago was Jewish and she was a really nice lady. But after conversing with a large number of Jews online since then, the thing which strikes me is just how inherently dishonest many of them are. They'll use any fallacy or tool at their disposal to try to win an argument, even when they are 100 percent clearly in the wrong. They'll even conspire to have you banned if they don't agree with what you're saying.
I always figured it was more to do with the ultra right wing politics than their religious identities, but Judaism and the far right are an absolutely terrifying combination.
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You're spot on, it's the constant whining that gets me as in Jewish suffering is worse than any other type.
Again I agree with you about identify with right wing policies , look at Minesubcrafted who has joined the fray with his typically right wing American revisionist views on the matter
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How would you know? You're not Jewish. You're a first class slimeball who takes advantage of a false Jewish identity for personal gain. A pathetic imposter who pretends to be Jewish for social and economic benefits. You're the lowest type of scum there even is. A parasite who feeds on the past suffering of others to carve out a life advantage for himself in the present.
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I don't have any interest in what you have to say because you're a vile person who deceives others for personal benefit. You sit online all day lying about being Jewish, lying about being a military hero and lying about anything else which you think will win you any kind of advantage in life. You're truly one of the most pathetic people I've ever encountered. An absolute goddamned loser.
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Miss Dee,
YOUR QUOTE WITH NO BACKUP: "Also when I was a Catholic the belief was that Jews killed Jesus after they sentenced him to death in a rabbinical court ..."
Because of your BIBLE STUPIDITY, I will help you out to show where the Mackerel Snapper Catholics got the information that the Jews killed Jesus, okay Bible fool?
"For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last." (1 Thessalonians 2:14-16)
Miss Dee, to prevent you from further embarrassment next time you make an absolute statement, at least "try" to support it with facts, okay dear? You're welcome.
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Rant away you unhinged Catholic nut
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Nomenclature, the number 1 Bible fool of this forum, the king of non-sequiturs, is dumbfounded of the English language in the proper use of words, doesn't understand biblical axioms, and cannot decipher simple propositions, and has to now run away from me because I make him the Bible fool,
Your first quote of your thread that was supposed to be true: "Why have Jews been kicked out of 109 different countries?"
Then when "Juleskorngold owned you" because you were wrong, you embarrassingly had to consent that he was correct with this quote: "Let's just agree they've been kicked out of a lot of places."
Are you related to Miss Dee in any way, because she does the same thing in making statements with spurious backup!
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Yes, you win the most delusional loser of the year award. It was a landslide victory. My congratulations.
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Nomenclature, the number 1 Bible fool of this forum, the king of non-sequiturs, is dumbfounded of the English language proper use of words, doesn't understand biblical axioms, and cannot decipher simple propositions, and has to now run away from me because I make him the Bible fool,
1. Your first statement quote that was supposed to be true: "Why have Jews been kicked out of 109 different countries?"
2. Then when "Juleskorngold owned you" because you were wrong, you embarrassingly had to consent that he was correct in this quote: "Let's just agree they've been kicked out of a lot of places."
Are you related to Miss Dee in any way, because she does the same thing in making statements with spurious backup!
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This isn't a serious debate you halfwit. It's a troll.
Neither you nor he has shown any evidence that I am wrong, so you should stop making things up and shut your foolish mouth.
Have Jews been kicked out of countries 109 times?
Yes. But a lot of context is needed to understand that list and the list makers intentions, methods and intellectual capabilities.
https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/45973/have-jews-been-kicked-out-of-countries-109-times#45979
Whether Jews have been kicked out of 89 countries, 109 countries or 129 countries is completely academic.
I see that, as per usual, you have nothing intelligent to say and are simply here to sit in a glass house throwing large stones.
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@Nomenclature said: It's a troll.
You sure are.
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To some extent, Jewish behaviour does have a part to play in their own persecution. Telling other religions that your religion is the Chosen religion of God, will not make you popular among the people of other religions. The Jewish cultural belief that they should not eat food prepared by a non Jew just happens to be extremely insulting to whatever host population they resided among. So too, their insistence that their daughters never marry a non jew can also be perceived by the host population as an attitude of extreme racism towards the majority. In addition, host populations may consider Jews loyal only to themselves, and not to the nation state of the countries they reside in. Jews were very prominent in the Communist movements in early 20th century Europe, which was why Hitler absolutely hated them.
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Nomenclature, the number 1 Bible fool of this forum, the king of non-sequiturs, is dumbfounded of the English language proper use of words, doesn't understand biblical axioms, and cannot decipher simple propositions, and has to now run away from me because I make him the Bible fool,
First thing, you are a HYPOCRITICAL PSEUDO-ATHEIST because you stated before that there is no reason to converse with me anymore as the link below shows, but you do anyway, hypocrite!
https://www.imagebam.com/view/MEIHYSZ
MY QUOTE TO YOU: “Your first statement quote that was supposed to be true: "Why have Jews been kicked out of 109 different countries?”
YOUR IDIOTIC RESPONSE: “This isn't a serious debate you halfwit. It's a troll.
So, you can be with your alleged facts, as usual, if your thread is not serious? Huh? Priceless admittance by you that your stupidity runs rampant upon this thread and forum!
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MY QUOTE TO YOU: “Then when "Juleskorngold owned you" because you were wrong …..”
YOUR PITIFUL RESPONSE: “Neither you nor he has shown any evidence that I am wrong, so you should stop making things up and shut your foolish mouth.”
You were WRONG with the title of your ever so wanting thread , which is: WHY Have Jews Been Kicked Out Of 109 Different Countries? Whereas, the original link you used stated: “HAVE Jews been kicked out of countries 109 times” which is explicitly different, and was not an absolute like your misguided title of your embarrassing thread stated!!! GET IT FOOL?
Then, after making the wrong title of your thread, you had to get on your knees to admit that you were wrong when juleskorngold had to correct you! Duh. Your admittance was this “sheepish little boy" statement of yours: “Let's just agree they've been kicked out of a lot of places.”
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YOUR PITIFUL QUOTE OF TRYING TO SAVE FACE: “Whether Jews have been kicked out of 89 countries, 109 countries or 129 countries is completely academic.”
WHAT?! Now it only becomes “academic” when you were made the fool in being wrong as shown by juleskorngood and myself? Priceless!
YOUR QUOTE OF DESPAIR AGAIN: “I see that, as per usual, you have nothing intelligent to say and are simply here to sit in a glass house throwing large stones.”
As shown in this post alone, I and others had a lot of logical intelligent things to say about your stupidity upon YOUR OWN TOPIC OF YOUR THREAD!
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lying about being a military hero and lying about anything else
I forgot that one , he had some tall tales of his military exploits where of course he was always the brave st George slaying the dragon and getting the damsel , I also recall another tall tale where he claimed his black friend was refused service in a restaurant until guess who intervened ? Why of course our hero Roger Ramjet (Excon) hero of the nation .....As if he ever had a black friend , I wonder if he tells his family how he along with Cornfed take joy at the annihilation of Palestinian kids ?
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Oh, I see. I'm just pretending to be an atheist, am I?
Your trash posts are pointless, nobody even reads them, and I wish you the best of luck overcoming your learning disability.
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@jack is a textbook delusional narcissist. Some of his posts genuinely make me cringe and he's one of the dumbest people I've ever encountered in 25 years of using the internet.
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YOUR LITTLE BOY QUOTE TO RUN AWAY FROM FACT!: "Oh, I see. I'm just pretending to be an atheist, am I?
Atheists try not to be made the fool, which YOU failed to do in your comical thread as shown, understood? Maybe? Yes?
Additionally, you were easily made the hypocrite because you said you would never confront me again, as shown in your post herewith: https://www.imagebam.com/view/MEIHYSZ Since you went against your word in trying to answer my posts in your LYING thread herein, you then became a HYPOCRITE! 2+2=4, oil and water don't mix, and YOU are miserably failing in "reading comprehension!"
YOUR PATHETIC POST WHERE I OWNED YOU IN THIS THREAD OF YOURS!: "Your trash posts are pointless, nobody even reads them"
Pointless? Nobody reads them? You read my post in question to respond to me, therefore you are a HYPOCRITE AGAIN! Nomenclature, stop making us easily laugh at you, okay?!
Listen, I showed you that you LIED and made a fool of yourself with your topic title that you embarrassingly tried to correct to juleskorngold, remember? Sure you do. Here, let me refresh your lacking memory shown below:
MY QUOTE TO YOU: “Then when "Juleskorngold owned you" because you were wrong …..”
YOUR PITIFUL RESPONSE: “Neither you nor he has shown any evidence that I am wrong, so you should stop making things up and shut your foolish mouth.”
You were WRONG with the title of your ever so wanting thread , which is: WHY Have Jews Been Kicked Out Of 109 Different Countries? Whereas, the original link you used stated: “HAVE Jews been kicked out of countries 109 times” which is explicitly different, and was not an absolute like your misguided title of your embarrassing thread stated!!! GET IT FOOL?
Then, after making the wrong title of your thread, you had to get on your knees to admit that you were wrong when juleskorngold had to correct you! Duh. Your admittance was this “sheepish little boy" statement of yours: “Let's just agree they've been kicked out of a lot of places.”
YOU MUST HAVE LOOKED INTO THE MIRROR WITH THIS QUOTE OF YOURS TO YOURSELF!: "I wish you the best of luck overcoming your learning disability."
Listen, maybe you should contact the moderators to close this embarrassing thread of yours down, whereas, this would save you further embarrassment in front of the membership! Agreed? Sure you do!
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Look at this thread, instead of me telling you the obvious in where you should ask the moderators to shut down this embarrassing thread of yours for being an embarrassment to you, it is dying on it's own accord!
You did the right thing in not responding to my post on February 4th above, in saving you even more embarrassment, good for you!
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The only embarrassing thing I see here is your spamming of multiple trash posts because you're so desperate for attention. Why don't you just get a dog?
Also, the possessive of "its" shouldn't contain an apostrophe. Perhaps you should go away and work on your grammar, and give that enormous mouth a chance to rest. There's a good boy.
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Well the one thing they all has in common none had a United States Constitution..........
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Nomenclature, the number 1 Bible fool of this forum, the king of non-sequiturs, is dumbfounded of the English language proper use of words, doesn't understand biblical axioms, and cannot decipher simple propositions, and has to now run away from me because I make him the Bible fool,
Shhhhhhhhhh .............. haven't you been embarrassed enough with your thread in erroneously turning it around from its initial concept? You will NEVER live your stupidity down in this thread in the future, whereas it will be with you until you do the correct thing and just leave DebateIsland to save yourself from even further embarrassment! LOL!
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I'm not interested in your pointless trash posts thanks. I've made that clear to you so I'm assuming you have a learning disability.
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Shhhhhhhhhhhh, we put enough egg upon your face in your embarrassing thread, shhhhhhhhhhh .............
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Grow up mate. The ADL has absolutely no credibility whatsoever.
Under the guise of fighting hate speech, the ADL has a long history of wielding its moral authority to attack Arabs, blacks, and queers.
https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/emmaia-gelman-anti-defamation-league/
Twitter is running down facts on the ADL — including its work getting American cops trained in the tactics Israel uses against Palestinians. Why do corporations and politicians still believe the ADL is a “civil rights” organization? Sit down for some history.
https://medium.com/@emmaiagelman/faking-rights-why-anti-racists-detest-the-anti-defamation-league-cc-starbucks-f5b5c7dcff9e
Two confidential Anti-Defamation League memos from the 1970s show that the pro-Israel “civil rights” group sent spies to report on talks by Noam Chomsky, a noted critic of Israel.
“Chomsky is an Arab apoligist, [sic] pure and simple,” one reads [PDF], addressed to Irwin Suall, then national director of “fact-finding.”
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/secret-files-reveal-anti-defamation-league-spied-noam-chomsky
Chomsky was raised as a Jew, btw.
You're asking how you make an Islamophobic statement without being called Islamophobic? Seriously?
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I'm not a liberal buddy. I'm much further left.
In my opinion there's no reason to divide bigotry into separate classifications like anti-Semitism and Islamophobia. The only purpose I see there is to show favouritism to one group over another. Bigotry is bigotry.
Sure, but liberalism has dozens of weak points.
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I'm a socialist buddy.
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