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Why are you posting up that crock of horse sh-t?
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A systematic review of the quality of research on hands-on and distance healing: clinical and laboratory studies
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12776468/'
Results: A total of 45 laboratory and 45 clinical studies published between 1956 and 2001 met the inclusion criteria. Of the clinical studies, 31 (70.5%) reported positive outcomes as did 28 (62%) of the laboratory studies; 4 (9%) of the clinical studies reported negative outcomes as did 15 (33%) of the laboratory studies. The mean percent overall internal validity for clinical studies was 69% (65% for hands-on healing and 75% for distance healing) and for laboratory studies 82% (82% for hands-on healing and 81% for distance healing).
Just to make Jules happy, let me quote some more from the study of studies on the quality and results of the studies:
Scores for each study were established by evaluating how
...This review has a number of limitations. We restricted our
...Conclusion
Feel free to review the study of studies on the 22 factors they used to measure the quality of the studies they reviewed.
May, I appreciate the question - its a fair and good one. I do wonder though, if a guy whose leg was amputated and then prays and his leg grows back overnight isn't evidence of an answered prayer, I'm not sure any evidence will ever be sufficient for you. I've happily provided peer review studies from Harvard, Stanford, JAMA, pubmed, etc. I've provided medical records, doctor's testimonies, eye witness accounts, news articles, videos of a miracle occurring where the paralyzed Delia Knox gets up out of her wheel chair after 2 decades and walks after being prayed for. I've provided dozens of statements from doctors, who are leaders in their field of study, saying that specific miracles were indeed, in their words, 'miracles', and that there was no natural explanation for the miracles and healings. These doctors come from Harvard, Stanford, John Hopkins, the Mayo Clinic, and Mt Sinai hospital. It seems that the evidence I've provided is way beyond 'hearsay'. My observation is that those claiming there is no evidence that prayer works are the ones who have been dealing in 'hearsay'. When I provided sworn court testimony from the doctor's who amputated the man's leg and the doctor's who verified that it had returned. That's not hearsay - but the spurious arguments to try and dismiss their testimony was definitely 'hearsay' as no evidence was produced that showed the account was anything but what it stated.
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How's your dad? Hope he's okay. No matter what our differences are on line I know the emotional toll of having a loved one on hospice takes. I would imagine you have a church who is praying for you and he?
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I provided you the link to the Systemic study of prayer studies. I am not a teaching assistant, so I shouldn't be doing your work for you. I'll reference the criteria they used to determine which studies met their standards for inclusion to help you though:
Confidence intervals were used more often
Corrections for multiple outcomes were
Independent replication is lacking
For the study selection, the following criteria were used:
pages 4-5 of the PDF version provide the evaluation criteria.
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LOL. May, I'm the only one providing evidence.
You say that but never provide evidence. You only provide unexplained and/or fabricated things with the claim "god did it". You provided nothing that can be experimented, repeated and observed in an empirical sense.
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Of course you can't replicate a miracle - that's what makes it a miracle. Of course all the examples of miracles are not naturally reproducible, if they were, then they would be naturalistic and not evidence of God's intervention. What you have denied is documented evidence of God's intervention. You might want to see if you can join MayCaesar's science of the gaps chorus line.
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Me: You say that but never provide evidence. You only provide unexplained and/or fabricated things with the claim "god did it". You provided nothing that can be experimented, repeated and observed in an empirical sense.
You: You got to cut back on your meds. I provided certified court testimony from 24 eye witnesses, 6 of which where medically related of a man whose leg was amputated and 2 years later grew back overnight and was fully functional. The testimonies were certified by the King of Spain's personal record keeper. Explain to me how a leg cut off 2 inches below the knee grows back overnight, 2 years later and is fully functional? Because that is exactly what the eye witnesses and the medical records claimed.
Of course you can't replicate a miracle - that's what makes it a miracle. Of course all the examples of miracles are not naturally reproducible, if they were, then they would be naturalistic and not evidence of God's intervention. What you have denied is documented evidence of God's intervention. You might want to see if you can join MayCaesar's science of the gaps chorus line.
LOL thanks for proving my point. The miracle of life is replicated all the time, no evidence of a god. Try again.
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How's your dad?
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You get that life having life is reproducible, but non-life creating life hasn't been replicated. Don't operate any heavy machinery until the meds are out of your system.
How do you know? You claiming omniscience now too??? Life reproducing life is still miraculous and observed. Cult quackery is just that.
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So many circles in his "reasoning" can't even spot them all. LOL
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Very few people recover from hospice.
That's one problem Just-sayin has. Claims of validated phenomenon doesn't mean it happened no matter how elaborate the claim. Without empirical evidence it just remains a claim.
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Wow, you truly embrace stupidity. you're still going to hell as your god know you don't love it, you're simply proud of a get out of jail free card after molesting little girls.
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Yet you claimed the other day 200 million prayers are answered yearly from pentecostals prayers alone , so you're seriously saying God intervenes 200 million times yearly for pentecostals alone , yet no measurable data can you produce for his interventions, whys that?
Also begs the question if your god is so wonderful at answering prayers why hasn't he cured your dad , is it he works in mysterious ways?
Also why have you got your dad in a hospital and not a church?
Your god is curing and helping 200 million pentecostals alone yearly through prayer ,science and medicine cannot come close to your gods "wondrous interventions".seems you don't have enough faith to believe in the magic you keep promoting whys that?
Gods promise to answer prayer be amusing to hear your re -interpretion of what you think these verses mean , no doubt you will put a spin on it where god emerges the "hero" again.
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