Jesus our Messiah, His Deity, Your Salvation from death in Hell?

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw


RICKEY HOLTSCLAW HAS TO BIBLICALLY ACCEPT THAT JESUS BEING GOD HAD HIS JEWISH CREATION "EAT THEIR SONS AND DAUGHTERS, AND THEIR NEIGHBORS, EWWWWW!!!!"

JESUS AS GOD SAID: “And I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and their daughters, and everyone shall eat the flesh of his neighbor in the siege and in the distress, with which their enemies and those who seek their life afflict them.(Jeremiah 19:9)

At what point does the BIBLE FOOL pseudo-christian realize that they are praying to a disgusting god named Jesus in him being upset again with his Jewish creation, by making them EAT THEIR SONS AND DAUGHTERS in the siege that Jesus knew beforehand that was going to happen because of his omnipotence (1 John 3:20) that their enemies were going to attack said Jews!

We can only assume that if Jesus once again is upset with his pseudo-christians like RICKEYHOLTSCLAW, that he will have have said christians attacked again by their enemies, and where RICKEYHOLTSCLAW will have to EAT HIS SONS AND DAUGHTERS in Jesus' siege once again, praise the serial killer Jesus!

WHO WANTS TO BE A CHRISTIAN LIKE THE "BIBLE DUNCE" RICKEYHOLTCLAW IN THE 21ST CENTURY OF SCIENCE AND REASON, THAT HAS TO PRAY TO A GOD NAMED JESUS WHO MADE HIS JEWISH CREATION EAT THEIR SONS AND DAUGHTERS, AND NEIGHBORS, RAISE YOUR HANDS!  LOL!

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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw


RICKEYHOLTSCLAW HAS TO BIBLICALLY ACCEPT THAT HIS JESUS BEING GOD SAID FOR HIM TO SELL ALL OF HIS POSSESSIONS THAT HE HAS, AND GIVE THE MONEY TO THE POOR TO BE ABLE TO FOLLOW JESUS, PRAISE!

Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” (Matthew 19:21)

"Sell your possessions, and give to the needy. Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys." (Luke 12:33)

"And Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “You lack one thing: go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” (Mark 10:21)

MEMBERSHIP:  Do you actually think that the "Bible Dunce" RickeyHoltsclaw has sold ALL of his possessions, and given said money to the poor and needly like Jesus shown above tells him to do?!  NO HE HAS NOT, therefore Rickey is an outright pseudo-christian HYPOCRITE in the name of Christianity, bar none!

RICKEYHOLTSCLAW CONTINUES TO BE THE OUTRIGHT BIBLE HYPOCRITE PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN OF THIS RELIGION FORUM!

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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw


JESUS’ INSPIRED WORDS SAY TO MURDER HOMOSEXUALS, AND WHO IS RICKEYHOLTSCLAW TO SAY HIS JESUS AS GOD IS WRONG IN THIS RESPECT?! 

‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.” (Leviticus 20:13)

What part of "their blood shall be upon them" doesn't Rickey understand, and will he fulfill what Jesus as proposed in relation to homosexuals?!

FURTHERMORE, JESUS' DIRECT WORDS HEREWITH SUBSTANTIATES THE LEVITICUS PASSAGE ABOVE, AND INCLUDES LESBIANS AS WELL!!!: “For this cause God gave them up into vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet . . . Who knowing the judgment of God, THAT THEY WHICH COMMIT SUCH THINGS ARE WORTHY OF DEATH, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them” (Romans 1:26-32)

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw


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UPDATED JUNE 2, 2024

RICKEY HOLTSCLAW'S ...."BIBLE MORALITY 101".... WHERE HE HAS TO ACCEPT AND FOLLOW HIS JESUS GOD'S WORDS AS SHOWN IN THE FOLLOWING LIST!

"But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4)

1.  Rickey accepts that Lot’s two daughters had ungodly incestuous sex with their father, and biblically this is okay with Jesus as god!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181225/#Comment_181225

2. Rickey accepts that if anyone tries to make him worship another god, then biblically he is to murder that person!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181425/#Comment_181425

3. Rickey accepts that if his daughter is not a virgin upon her wedding night, then biblically he is to murder her along with others helping him!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181621/#Comment_181621  

4. Rickey accepts that if his children do not follow his rules, then biblically he is to BEAT THEM WITH A ROD that leaves bruises!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181685/#Comment_181685

5. Ricky accepts that if there are hard times, or for whatever reason, then biblically he could sell his daughter into slavery, praise Jesus!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181705/#Comment_181705

6. Rickey accepts that his god Jesus biblically is an outright BRUTAL ABORTIONIST, and therefore he can’t attend Anti-Abortion Rallies because he would be a hypocrite!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181919/#Comment_181919

7. Rickey accepts that his god's words say that his biblically 2nd class wife cannot speak in church, and is to just "STFU" when going to church!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181954/#Comment_181954

8. Rickey has to accept that he has to HATE his family members, and his children, to be a disciple of Jesus, praise!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181975/#Comment_181975

9. Rickey accepts biblically that if a Christian owns a slave, THEN JESUS SAYS they can BEAT THEM MERCILESSLY, praise Jesus!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181979/#Comment_181979

10. Rickey biblically accepts that if he sees a christian working on the Sabbath, then his bible says to murder them!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181981/#Comment_181981

11. Rickey biblically accepts that if your children curse him or their mother, then said child is to be put to death, praise Jesus!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181982/#Comment_181982

12. Rickey biblically accepts that his Jesus as god screwed up when creating mankind through INCESTUAL SEXUAL RELATIONS through family members!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181984/#Comment_181984

13. Rickey biblically without question, accepts that his second class wife's existence is to be ruled over by him because he is the superior man, praise Jesus!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182059/#Comment_182059

14. Rickey biblically accepts that if his wife helps him in a fight with another man, he is to cut off her hand for helping him, praise Jesus' disparaging words towards women!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182060/#Comment_182060

15. Rickey accepts that when his wife becomes a pain in the butt, Jesus' inspired words tell him to do the following, praise Jesus' words against women again!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182061/#Comment_182061

16.  Rickey has to biblically accept that his god Jesus had his Jewish creation "EAT THEIR SONS AND DAUGHTERS AND NEIGHBORS!" Ewwwwwwww, bad Jesus!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182078/#Comment_182078

17. Rickey has to biblically accept that his Jesus as god said to him that he is to sell ALL of his possessions and give to the poor and needy, of which he has not done! 

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182079/#Comment_182079

18. Rickey has to biblically accept again, that his god Jesus says to "murder homosexuals" and where he cannot say Jesus is wrong in this respect!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182080/#Comment_182080

RICKEYHOLTSCLAW IS THE BIGGEST PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN HYPOCRITE IF HE DOES NOT ACCEPT OR FOLLOW JESUS' DIRECT COMMANDS IN THIS POST, PERIOD!

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RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ;  Pick your favorite "contention" and let's discuss it. Gish Galloping is childish and a tactic of losers....just state a theological premise that offends you....we can discuss it....please try harder atheist?

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; 

1) The "life is in the blood" (Leviticus 17:11); therefore, the homosexual is to be put to death in accordance with Levitical Law. Typically, stoning to death.

Homosexuality is a most vile and offensive sin against Nature and our Creator's Plan.

 

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; Yes, there were judgments where to survive, people ate their children...

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw


RICKEYHOLSTCLAW HAS TO ACCEPT THE WAY THE BIBLE SAYS TO FIND A BIBLICAL 2ND CLASS WOMEN FOR A WIFE, PRAISE JESUS’ INSPIRED NUTTY TRUE WORDS AGAIN!

1. Find an attractive prisoner of war, bring her home, shave her head, trim her nails, and give her new clothes. Then she’s yours!(Deuteronomy 21:11-13)

2. Find a prostitute and marry her. YIKES, whatever works! (Hosea 1:1-3)

3. Find a man with seven daughters, and impress him by watering his flock, and biblically, he should give you one of his daughters! easy peasy! (Exodus 2:16-21)

4. Purchase a piece of property, and get a woman as part of the deal. (Ruth 4:5-10)

5. Go to a party and hide. When the women comes out to dance, grab one and carry her off to be your wife, YES! (Judges 21:19-25)                                               

6. Have the brutal serial killer Yahweh/Jesus God create a wife for you while you are asleep. Note: this will cost you a rib. (Genesis 2:19-24)

7. Agree to work seven years in exchange for a woman’s hand in marriage. Get tricked into marrying the wrong woman. Then work another seven years for the woman you wanted to marry in the first place. That’s right. Fourteen years of toil to get a wife, ouch! (Genesis 29:15-30)

8. This should be a favorite for all pseudo-christian men looking for a wife. Cut off 200 foreskins off of your future father-in-law’s enemies and get his daughter for a wife in return!  (I Samuel 18:27)

9. Even if no one is out there, just wander around a bit and you’ll definitely find someone. It's all relative.  (Genesis 4:16-17)

10. Become the emperor of a huge nation and hold a beauty contest and choose a wife. (Esther 2:3-4)

11. When you see someone you think could be your wife, go home and tell your parents and say: “I have seen a woman; now get her for me.” If your parents question your decision, simply say, “Get her for me. She’s the one for me!”  (Judges 14:1-3)

12. Kill any husband and take his wife. The drawback is to prepare to lose four sons, damn it.  (2 Samuel 11)

13. Wait for your brother to die. Take his widow. (It’s not just a good idea, it’s the law). (Deuteronomy 25:5-10)

14. Don’t be so damn picky in choosing a wife. Make up for quality with quantity, praise! (1 Kings 11:1-3)

We can only wonder in how Rickey chose his biblically 2nd class woman as his "Current Wife" in the biblical examples shown above?! 

Whereas, I say Rickey used the example below to get his "Current Wife" to be bible correct:

#5: "Go to a party and hide. When the women comes out to dance, grab one and carry her off to be your wife, YES!" (Judges 21:19-25)  

Then of course Rickey has to tell his daughters, or female grand children. of these biblical examples that true Christian men will have to use to marry them, because they are all inspired by none other than Jesus and you cannot go against his words!

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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

RICKEYHOLTSCLAW HAS TO BIBLICALLY ACCEPT THE FACT THAT HIS WIFE, AS A BIBLICAL 2ND CLASS WOMAN, KNOWS NOTHING AND IS THE “WEAKER VESSEL” TO HIM BEING A SUPERIOR MAN OVER HER!

JESUS’ INSPIRED WORDS SAID: “The woman Folly is loud; she is seductive and knows nothing.” (Proverbs 9:13)

“Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered.” (1 Peter 3:7)

We can only wonder in how Rickey told his wife that she is responsible in absolutely knowing NOTHING in their marriage as a pseudo-christian, and the fact that JESUS AS GOD said she is the "weaker vessel of the marriage!   LOL!

Of course, Rickey has to treat his female daughters, and grand daughters, the same way as he treats his wife, because the verses above are for women in general!

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

RICKEYHOLTSCLAW CANNOT CALL JESUS A LIA*R, THEREFORE HE HAS TO ACCEPT THE FACT THAT “IF HE TRULY BELIEVES,” THEN HE CAN DO THE FOLLOWING AS SHOWN IN JESUS’ INSPIRED WORDS IN THE VERSE HEREWITH:

“And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.” (Mark 16:17-18)

Now, for Rickey to prove Jesus’ words shown above, we need to see him on a video, or images, in at least picking up a “Rattle Snake” or popping off the lid of a “Drano” bottle and drinking its content, or going to a hospital and walking in on a cancer patient that has only hours to live, and heal them as Jesus said he could in the verse above if he truly believes!

If Rickey refuses to accept Jesus’ challenge in the verse in question, then he is to SCARED and truly does not believe as the verse states!

Therefore, Rickey has turned into this animal shown in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI7ni7zL8qU

POOR RICKEY IS THE HYPOCRITE ONCE AGAIN OF TRUE CHRISTIANITY IF HE CAN’T FOLLOW THROUGH WITH MARK 16:17-18 WITH DIRECT EVIDENCE AS REQUIRED!

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw


UPDATED JUNE 2, 2024

RICKEY HOLTSCLAW'S ...."BIBLE MORALITY 101".... WHERE HE HAS TO ACCEPT AND FOLLOW HIS JESUS' WORDS AS GOD AS SHOWN IN THE FOLLOWING LIST!

"But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4)

1.  Rickey accepts that Lot’s two daughters had ungodly incestuous sex with their father, and biblically this is okay with Jesus as god!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181225/#Comment_181225

2. Rickey accepts that if anyone tries to make him worship another god, then biblically he is to murder that person!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181425/#Comment_181425

3. Rickey accepts that if his daughter is not a virgin upon her wedding night, then biblically he is to murder her along with others helping him!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181621/#Comment_181621  

4. Rickey accepts that if his children do not follow his rules, then biblically he is to BEAT THEM WITH A ROD that leaves bruises!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181685/#Comment_181685

5. Ricky accepts that if there are hard times, or for whatever reason, then biblically he could sell his daughter into slavery, praise Jesus!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181705/#Comment_181705

6. Rickey accepts that his god Jesus biblically is an outright BRUTAL ABORTIONIST, and therefore he can’t attend Anti-Abortion Rallies because he would be a hypocrite!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181919/#Comment_181919

7. Rickey accepts that his god's words say that his biblically 2nd class wife cannot speak in church, and is to just "STFU" when going to church!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181954/#Comment_181954

8. Rickey has to accept that he has to HATE his family members, and his children, to be a disciple of Jesus, praise!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181975/#Comment_181975

9. Rickey accepts biblically that if a Christian owns a slave, THEN JESUS SAYS they can BEAT THEM MERCILESSLY, praise Jesus!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181979/#Comment_181979

10. Rickey biblically accepts that if he sees a christian working on the Sabbath, then his bible says to murder them!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181981/#Comment_181981

11. Rickey biblically accepts that if your children curse him or their mother, then said child is to be put to death, praise Jesus!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181982/#Comment_181982

12. Rickey biblically accepts that his Jesus as god screwed up when creating mankind through INCESTUAL SEXUAL RELATIONS through family members!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181984/#Comment_181984

13. Rickey biblically without question, accepts that his second class wife's existence is to be ruled over by him because he is the superior man, praise Jesus!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182059/#Comment_182059

14. Rickey biblically accepts that if his wife helps him in a fight with another man, he is to cut off her hand for helping him, praise Jesus' disparaging words towards women!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182060/#Comment_182060

15. Rickey accepts that when his wife becomes a pain in the butt, Jesus' inspired words tell him to do the following, praise Jesus' words against women again!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182061/#Comment_182061

16.  Rickey has to biblically accept that his god Jesus DEMANDED his Jewish creation "EAT THEIR SONS AND DAUGHTERS AND NEIGHBORS!" Ewwwwwwww, bad Jesus!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182078/#Comment_182078

17. Rickey has to biblically accept that his Jesus as god said to him that he is to sell ALL of his possessions and give to the poor and needy, of which he has not done! 

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182079/#Comment_182079

18. Rickey has to biblically accept again, that his god Jesus says to "murder homosexuals" and where he cannot say Jesus is wrong in this respect!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182080/#Comment_182080

19. Rickey has to biblically accept the fact of how a Christian man is to seek out a 2nd class biblical woman for his wife, praise Jesus' examples!  

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182089/#Comment_182089

20. Rickey biblically accepts that his 2nd class wife is a loser and knows nothing and is the "weaker vessel" of their marriage, so says Jesus' inspired words as god!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182090/#Comment_182090

21. Rickey once again has to biblically accept that if he truly believes, he can pick up a "Rattle Snake," drink Drano, and heal a cancer patient, so saith Jesus as god!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182091/#Comment_182091

RICKEYHOLTSCLAW IS THE BIGGEST PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN HYPOCRITE IF HE DOES NOT ACCEPT OR FOLLOW JESUS' DIRECT COMMANDS IN THIS POST, PERIOD!

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RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast

Still waiting on a concise, understandable, theological premise for debate...can you at least try?

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

RICKEYHOLTSCLAW ACCEPTS THAT HIS SERIAL KILLER JESUS AS GOD, ORDERED THE MURDERING OF INNOCENT BOYS AND WOMEN WHO HAVE SLEPT WITH A MAN! ..... BUT, JESUS SAID TO “KEEP THE YOUNG GIRLS THAT WERE VIRGINS” FOR YOURSELVES OF GOD’S INVADING ARMY! ....... , IS JESUS KIDDING?! NOT!

"Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man.  Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.” (Numbers 31:17-18 NLT)

Can the schizophrenic pseudo-christians like Rickey spell; P-E-D-O-P-H-I-L-I-A when Jesus says to keep the young girl virgins for the invading army? SICKENING! JESUS!

HERE IS AN IMAGE OF RICKEY'S BIBLICALLY 2ND CLASS WIFE READING THE
VERSE WHERE JESUS SUPPORTS PEDOPHILIA, WHERE SHE IS THINKING, W-T-F?!




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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

RICKEYHOLTSCLAW BIBLICALLY ACCEPTS THE FACT THAT HIS BRUTAL AND BLOODY SERIAL KILLER JESUS AS GOD ASSISTS IN THE ACTS OF RAPE AGAINST WOMEN!!!! HUH?!

“Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst.  And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, WOMEN RAVISHED; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. “ (Zechariah 14:1-2)

Can you see our BIBLE DUNCE RickeyHoltsclaw praying to his Jesus as god in knowing that Jesus had WOMEN RAPED in the verse above?  Rickey’s low IQ mental state doesn’t allow him to understand that he is schizophrenic when praying to Jesus who is an outright brutal and bloody serial killer as I have shown adinfinitum!

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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

RICKEYHOLTSCLAW HAS TO BIBLICALLY ACCEPT JESUS’ LAWS REGARDING THE RAPE OF A WOMAN!

“If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.” (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NAB)

What kind of LUNATIC GOD LIKE JESUS would make a rape victim marry her attacker and have his baby, and to live with her rapist the rest of her life?!  Answer: JESUS!

Can you see Rickey in a terrible position where his daughter was raped, where first thing, he would tell the rapist to give him 50 pieces of silver, then he would turn to his daughter and tell her that her rapist is now to marry her for the rest of their lives, praise Jesus' laws relative to ungodly rapists!  LOL!

Then the primitive thinking Bible Swallowers like the inept pseudo-christian Rickey wonders why astute Atheists think that he is psychotic and delusional for following the JUDEO-Christian bible!  Priceless stupidity on his part in the 21st century of science and reason!

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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

UPDATED AT RICKEY'S EXPENSE ON JUNE 3, 2024

RICKEYHOLTSCLAW'S ...."BIBLE MORALITY 101".... WHERE HE HAS TO ACCEPT AND FOLLOW HIS JESUS' WORDS AS GOD AS SHOWN IN THE FOLLOWING LIST!

"But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4)

1.  Rickey accepts that Lot’s two daughters had ungodly incestuous sex with their father, and biblically this is okay with Jesus as god!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181225/#Comment_181225

2. Rickey accepts that if anyone tries to make him worship another god, then biblically he is to murder that person!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181425/#Comment_181425

3. Rickey accepts that if his daughter is not a virgin upon her wedding night, then biblically he is to murder her along with others helping him!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181621/#Comment_181621  

4. Rickey accepts that if his children do not follow his rules, then biblically he is to BEAT THEM WITH A ROD that leaves bruises!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181685/#Comment_181685

5. Ricky accepts that if there are hard times, or for whatever reason, then biblically he could sell his daughter into slavery, praise Jesus!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181705/#Comment_181705

6. Rickey accepts that his god Jesus biblically is an outright BRUTAL ABORTIONIST, and therefore he can’t attend Anti-Abortion Rallies because he would be a hypocrite!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181919/#Comment_181919

7. Rickey accepts that his god's words say that his biblically 2nd class wife cannot speak in church, and is to just "STFU" when going to church!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181954/#Comment_181954

8. Rickey has to accept that he has to HATE his family members, and his children, to be a disciple of Jesus, praise!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181975/#Comment_181975

9. Rickey accepts biblically that if a Christian owns a slave, THEN JESUS SAYS they can BEAT THEM MERCILESSLY, praise Jesus!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181979/#Comment_181979

10. Rickey biblically accepts that if he sees a christian working on the Sabbath, then his bible says to murder them!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181981/#Comment_181981

11. Rickey biblically accepts that if your children curse him or their mother, then said child is to be put to death, praise Jesus!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181982/#Comment_181982

12. Rickey biblically accepts that his Jesus as god screwed up when creating mankind through INCESTUAL SEXUAL RELATIONS through family members!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181984/#Comment_181984

13. Rickey biblically without question, accepts that his second class wife's existence is to be ruled over by him because he is the superior man, praise Jesus!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182059/#Comment_182059

14. Rickey biblically accepts that if his wife helps him in a fight with another man, he is to cut off her hand for helping him, praise Jesus' disparaging words towards women!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182060/#Comment_182060

15. Rickey accepts that when his wife becomes a pain in the butt, Jesus' inspired words tell him to do the following, praise Jesus' words against women again!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182061/#Comment_182061

16.  Rickey has to biblically accept that his god Jesus DEMANDED his Jewish creation "EAT THEIR SONS AND DAUGHTERS AND NEIGHBORS!" Ewwwwwwww, bad Jesus!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182078/#Comment_182078

17. Rickey has to biblically accept that his Jesus as god said to him that he is to sell ALL of his possessions and give to the poor and needy, of which he has not done! 

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182079/#Comment_182079

18. Rickey has to biblically accept again, that his god Jesus says to "murder homosexuals" and where he cannot say Jesus is wrong in this respect!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182080/#Comment_182080

19. Rickey has to biblically accept the fact of how a Christian man is to seek out a 2nd class biblical woman for his wife, praise Jesus' examples!  

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182089/#Comment_182089

20. Rickey biblically accepts that his 2nd class wife is a loser and knows nothing and is the "weaker vessel" of their marriage, so says Jesus' inspired words as god!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182090/#Comment_182090

21. Rickey once again has to biblically accept that if he truly believes, he can pick up a "Rattle Snake," drink Drano, and heal a cancer patient, so saith Jesus as god!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182091/#Comment_182091

22. Rickey biblically accepts that his Jesus as god was into ungodly PEDOPHILIA! How sickening can Jesus get???!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182110/#Comment_182110

23.  Rickey biblically accepts that his Jesus assisted in the raping of innocent women!  Jesus is ever loving and forgiving? NOT!!!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182111/#Comment_182111

24. Rickey biblically accepts this time, in that his Jesus has a rape law that makes the woman that was raped to marry her rapist and have his baby!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182112/#Comment_182112

RICKEYHOLTSCLAW IS THE BIGGEST PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN HYPOCRITE IF HE DOES NOT ACCEPT OR FOLLOW JESUS' DIRECT COMMANDS IN THIS POST, PERIOD!

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RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ;  Still waiting for a proper premise that can be answered....Gish Galloping is childish and I'm not your slave, atheist.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast Deuteronomy 22:28–29 is often cited by skeptics as evidence that the Bible is backwards, cruel, and misogynist—and thus not the Word of God. It is a difficult passage to interpret. In the NIV, Deuteronomy 22:28–29 reads like this:

If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

How is this fair to rape victims? It’s not, if we are talking about rape. Unfortunately, the NIV’s translation is a poor one at this point, and the word translated “rape” can mean other things. The late apologist Greg Bahnsen explains: “The Hebrew word . . . simply means to take hold of something, grasp it in hand, and (by application) to capture or seize something. It is the verb used for ‘handling’ the harp and flute (Gen. 4:21), the sword (Ezek. 21:11; 30:21), the sickle (Jer. 50:16), the shield (Jer. 46:9), the oars (Ezek. 27:29), and the bow (Amos 2:15). It is likewise used for ‘taking’ God’s name (Prov. 30:9) or ‘dealing’ with the law of God (Jer. 2:8). Joseph’s garment was ‘grasped’ (Gen. 39:12; cf. 1 Kings 11:30), even as Moses ‘took’ the two tablets of the law (Deut. 9:17)” (“Premarital Sexual Relations: What is the Moral Obligation When Repeated Incidents are Confessed,” Covenant Media Foundation, www.cmfnow.com/articles/pe152.htm, cited by Butt, K., in “Deuteronomy 22:28–29 and Rape,” Reason & Revelation, August 2015, Apologetics Press). In other words, the Hebrew word itself does not suggest force of any kind and should not be translated as “rape.”

It is necessary to take Deuteronomy 22:28–29 together with Exodus 22:16–17, which says this:

If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her, he shall give the bride price for her and make her his wife. If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the bride price for virgins.

These two passages cover the same situation: a man sleeps with a virgin who is not betrothed. Note that, in Exodus 22, there is no hint of force or rape—there is only enticement or seduction. The penalty is that he must pay the dowry and marry the girl; if the girl’s father doesn’t like the match, he can refuse to allow the marriage. According to the halakha, the girl had a similar right of refusal. But the man who fooled around must still pay the dowry. And so, in the words of Old Testament scholar Sandra Richter, “‘Walk-away Joes’ were required to ‘man up’ as regards the woman they had compromised and the potential children they had created” (“Rape in Israel’s World . . . and in Ours: A Study of Deuteronomy 22:28–29,” Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society 64.1, 2021, p. 75).

Stepping back from our passage in question, it’s helpful to view the context of Deuteronomy 22:13–29. The entire passage is devoted to offenses involving women. Verses 13–22 deal with crimes involving a married woman:

1) a bride is accused of premarital promiscuity but is innocent; result: the bride and her family receive damages (verses 13–19)
2) a bride is accused of premarital promiscuity and is guilty; result: she is executed (verses 20–21)
3) a man and a married woman commit adultery; result: both are executed (verse 22)

Then, verses 23–29 deal with crimes involving an unmarried woman:

1) a man and a betrothed woman commit (consensual) fornication; result: both are executed (verses 23–24)
2) a man is found guilty of rape; result: he is executed (verses 25–27)
3) a man and a non-betrothed woman commit (consensual) fornication; result: damages are due to the girl and her family (verses 28–29)

The fact that Deuteronomy 22:28–29 deals with consensual sex, not rape, is proved four ways:

1) A comparison with the parallel law in Exodus 22:16–17 (see above) shows that no force is involved. The “seizing” of the girl, as the ESV and NKJV say in Deuteronomy 22:28, has more to do with seduction than coercion.

2) The verses immediately preceding Deuteronomy 22:28–29 have already dealt with rape (verses 25–27). The penalty for that crime is specified: the rapist is executed. There’s no reason to deal with rape again in verses 28–29. Further, the penalties are different: in one, the man dies; in the other, the man lives. Obviously, different crimes are in view.

3) Deuteronomy 22:28 contains an important statement that cannot be overlooked: “and they are discovered.” In other words, it’s not just the man who is “found out” (NKJV); it’s both of them. It’s a case in which both the man and the woman somehow share a portion of the blame. Therefore, “there is no force involved, and it is not rape. But their action has been discovered. . . . The man cannot walk away from his sin. He has put the young woman in a very difficult life situation, in which there would be few (or no) other men who would want to marry her. . . . God holds both the parties accountable, instructing them to get married and stay together” (Butt, op. cit.).

4) There are two distinct Hebrew words used in the same passage. The word translated “rapes” in Deuteronomy 22:25 is the Hebrew word chazaq. But verse 28 contains a different verb, translated “seizes” in the ESV: taphas. The different verbs suggest different actions.

No, the Old Testament never commands a rape victim to marry her rapist. The irrevocable marriage contract was reserved for men who had mistreated a woman in some way and damaged her ability to marry. The New Living Translation of Deuteronomy 22:28–29 probably comes the closest to the law’s original intent:

Suppose a man has intercourse with a young woman who is a virgin but is not engaged to be married. If they are discovered, he must pay her father fifty pieces of silver. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he may never divorce her as long as he lives.

Dr. Richter sums up: “In Deuteronomy, victims of sexual misconduct were constitutionally protected from the economic consequences of assault and seduction. ‘Walk-away Joes’ were required to ‘man up.’ . . . [the young woman was shielded] from the economic and social fallout of the encounter. . . . Rape victims were assumed innocent. Women so abused were expected to report. Convicted rapists were executed” (op. cit.).  "GotQuestions"

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast TSK

EXPOSITORY (ENGLISH BIBLE)

Benson Commentary

Zechariah 14:1-2. Behold, the day of the Lord cometh — A day of the Lord’s great wrath and indignation will soon overtake you, O sinful, unthankful, bloody Jews! A day remarkable for the execution of divine vengeance upon you, and your city, Jerusalem. This chapter ought to have been joined to the preceding; for here the prophet continues to foretel the execution of the threatenings contained in the latter part of the former chapter; namely, how the unbelieving Jews should be destroyed by the Romans. Thy spoils shall be divided in the midst of thee — All that thou hast, O Jerusalem, shall become a prey to thine enemies, who shall be such absolute masters of thee, that, in the greatest security, they shall divide among themselves whatever spoil they take from thee, in the very place where they take it. For I will gather all nations — “The Romans, being lords of the known world, had the strength of all nations united in their forces. Thus, (Jeremiah 24:1,) Nebuchadnezzar is said to fight against Jerusalem with all the kingdoms of the earth.” — Lowth. And the city shall be taken — For God is its enemy, and who can stand before him, or before nations gathered by him? Where he gives commission, he will give success. And the houses rifled, and the women ravished — The Roman soldiers shall exercise those acts of lust and violence which are too frequent among conquerors. That all the outrages were committed, and the miseries endured, which are here predicted, when the Romans took Jerusalem, we have abundant proof from Josephus and other historians: see notes on Deuteronomy 28. And half of the city shall go into captivity — The Hebrew word rendered half, may be translated a portion. It must be observed, that the city only is here spoken of; but chap. Zechariah 13:8, where mention is made of two parts being cut off and dying, refers to the whole land. And the residue of the people shall not be cut off — “The Romans spared the young and useful part of the Jews: Josephus, Bel. Jud., 6. 9:2. However, these were either condemned to the mines in Egypt, or exposed to the sword and to wild beasts in the provincial theatres, or sold for slaves. Ibid. It must be observed, that the forty thousand who were permitted to go where they pleased, were Idumeans: Bel. Jud., 6. 8:2.” — Newcome. “But it is probable that the remnant of the Jews, who survived this almost exterminating destruction, and their descendants, who have for so many centuries been preserved a distinct people, in order to their future restoration, are intended.” — Scott.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast Understanding and applying passages from the exodus and conquest of Canaan can be challenging. The passages about putting certain inhabitants to death are among the most difficult. Among those is Numbers 31.

God told Moses, “Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites” (Numbers 31:1). The Israelites obediently armed themselves and attacked the Midianites, killing the men (verse 7). Also, “the Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder” (verse 9). When the troops returned to Moses, he was angry that they had not fully carried out the Lord’s vengeance (verse 14; cf. verse 3). The Midianite women were those who had caused Israel to sin at Baal Peor (see Numbers 25). So Moses commanded that the women be killed, and also “kill all the boys” (Numbers 31:17).

When we look at the command to kill the male Midianite children, there are two perspectives we might take. One is the more understandably temporal. During the timeframe in question, tribal warfare was rampant. It was highly likely that the male Midianite children would grow up and seek revenge for their fathers and grandfathers against Israel. Avenging the death of one’s father is a commonly accepted necessity in every culture and even in popular fiction—it’s what motivates Hamlet in Shakespeare’s classic play and what energizes Inigo Montoya in The Princess Bride.

Further, the utterly disgusting depravity in which these Midianite boys had been raised is well documented. Regular behaviors among the Midianites included child sacrifice, cult prostitution, and bestiality. The divine prohibition of these acts was codified, and the acts were known to the Israelites (Leviticus 18:21, 23–24). Male inhabitants carrying on the lineage of this culture would have been a perennial problem for Israel.

The other perspective we should consider is the divine. Now, we cannot know the mind of God or comprehend the depths of His wisdom (Isaiah 55:8–9). But we can know that, given the depravity of the Midianites, God’s command to kill the Midianite boys might have been an act of divine mercy. In His perfect knowledge—including His knowledge of what would happen in the lives of those young Midianites, had they lived—it’s possible that God brought them to Himself before they had the opportunity of choosing to reject Him. It is highly possible that, had these males grown to maturity, they would have embraced the wanton rebellion and idolatry of their fathers. From God’s perspective, it may have been better for them to die at a young age than to endure a life of depravity and the attending temporal (and eternal) consequences.

In all this, we must remember that God is goodness. He is not simply a good moral agent like humans are commanded to be; He is not beholden to or measured by a standard outside of Himself. We cannot look at God’s actions as being in any moral category like human actions. God is not a man (Numbers 23:19). The very nature of God is such that He cannot do evil. “The LORD is righteous in all his ways” (Psalm 145:17). This is the point by which we must reconcile passages such as Numbers 31:17 with the likes of John 3:16.

Moreover, a major mistake we sometimes make is to think that our lives are our own. We are creatures, not the Creator. We could not exist for one moment without God’s willing our existence (Hebrews 1:3; Acts 17:28). We should not think that God owes us anything, be it a long life, a life free of suffering, or anything else. God desires our ultimate good, which is everlasting union with Him (2 Peter 3:8–10). Our ultimate good may not be realized in a long life or one devoid of pain and suffering. As strange as it may sound, the ultimate good of the Midianite males may not have come about without their being killed by the Israelites in warfare. This is “brass tacks” and gets to the root of whether one thinks that man was made in the image of God or whether one makes a god in the image of man.

It is difficult to discuss these topics rationally because emotions often take over, and proclamations of “the innocence of children” grow loud. We sometimes hear things like “I could never believe in a God like that.” We are correct in the visceral reaction to children suffering and dying. At the same time, we must differentiate the cause and circumstance of the young Midianites’ deaths from current situations. Suffering today is not brought about by God’s people taking possession of their promised land against a morally depraved and militant people group.

Also, we are profoundly incorrect when we start embracing notions like “if I were God, I certainly would not have done that.” God does not see human events as we do; He sees them as only God can. Thus, we have no basis by which to say that God would not have a humanly understandable, morally sufficient reason for commanding the death of children during the conquest of Canaan. "GotQuestions"

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; Mark 16:9-20 is not Biblical Text but most like an addition by a Scribe who had originally separated his closing of Mark with notations but it mistakenly found its way into the inspired Text. Mark 16:9-20 does NOT appear in older manuscripts and that is why the student of the Bible seeking Truth will note these verses are bracketed and the reader is thereby informed that they do not appear in early manuscripts; for this reason, it is not theologically wise to base any doctrine or belief system on the spurious verses contained in Mark 16:9-20...the student of the Bible, taught by the Holy Spirit, is aware of this....you are not.

Mark 16 (NASB)

9 [[[c]Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons. 10 She went and reported to those who had been with Him, while they were mourning and weeping. 11 And when they heard that He was alive and had been seen by her, they refused to believe it.

12 Now after that, He appeared in a different form to two of them while they were walking along on their way to the country. 13 And they went away and reported it to the rest, but they did not believe them, either.

The Disciples Commissioned

14 Later He appeared to the eleven disciples themselves as they were reclining at the table; and He reprimanded them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed those who had seen Him after He had risen from the dead. 15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 The one who has believed and has been baptized will be saved; but the one who has not believed will be condemned. 17 These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not harm them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

19 So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God. 20 And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them, and confirmed the word by the signs that followed.]]

1. Mark 16:1 Or Jacob
2. Mark 16:4 I.e., its size drew their attention
3. Mark 16:9 Later mss add vv 9-20
4. Mark 16:20 A few late mss and ancient versions contain this paragraph, usually after v 8; a few have it at the end of the ch

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ;  The Scriptures accurately depict life in the Old Testament...you're free to judge...but you will also be judged.

Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

What the scripture accurately depicts is how to brainwash  the slow simple minded folk into believing up is down and evil is good. Why do you talk about your elf book when you haven’t read it? You like the murderous perverted parts it commands you to execute? 

Why do you choose the ignorant bigotry of the Bible over the benevolence that humanity seeks through truth? It has to be because of the appeal you have for evil as all Christians admit they have no morals of their own and would do all kinds of things if their mythical hell didn’t exist. Where as loving atheists are what your elf book borrowed the idea of morals from. 

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; Scripture tells you the who, what, where, when, why, concerning your presence in Time and our Creator's eschatological plan and reasoning...but you're too arrogant and self-righteous to stop and listen and live.

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

RickeyHoltsclaw, the number one BIBLE FOOL of this Religion Forum,  bar none,

YOUR LAUGHABLE, WEAK, AND EMBARRASSING APOLOGETIC EXCUSE TO HIDE FROM DEUTERONOMY 22:28-29!:  “How is this fair to rape victims? It’s not, if we are talking about rape. Unfortunately, the NIV’s translation is a poor one at this point, and the word translated “rape” can mean other things." ”https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182116/#Comment_182116

You have the audacity to say in Deuteronomy 22:28-29 that the term “rape can mean other things," when said verse is inspired by your serial killer Jesus in the first place as god! (1 Thessalonians 2:13) ....... Slap Jesus in the face again Rickey! ROFLOL!

Now, to prove your wanting quote above, take each and every one of the Bible renditions shown below, to said RAPING of a woman that is a virgin, and prove that the term RAPE, or are in other terms relating to RAPE, does not mean what it says where it can mean "other things" like you embarrassingly said! LOL!

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HOLMAN CHRISTIAN STANDARD BIBLE:

“If a man encounters a young woman, a virgin who is not engaged, takes hold of her and rapes her, and they are discovered, the man who raped her must give the young woman's father 50 silver [shekels], and she must become his wife because he violated her. He cannot divorce her as long as he lives. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

ENGLISH STANDARD VERSION:

"If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.” (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

KING JAMES VERSION:

"If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.” (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

THE MESSAGE BIBLE:

“When a man comes upon a virgin who has never been engaged and grabs and rapes her and they are found out, the man who raped her has to give her father fifty pieces of silver. He has to marry her because he took advantage of her. And he can never divorce her.” (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

NEW AMERICAN STANDARD BIBLE: 

"If a man finds a girl who is a virgin, who is not engaged, and seizes her and lies with her and they are discovered,then the man who lay with her shall give to the girl's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall become his wife because he has violated her; he cannot divorce her all his days.” (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION:

“If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.” (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

NEW KING JAMES VERSION: 

"If a man finds a young woman who is a virgin, who is not betrothed, and he seizes her and lies with her, and they are found out, then the man who lay with her shall give to the young woman's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife because he has humbled her; he shall not be permitted to divorce her all his days.” (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

NEW LIVING TRANSLATION: 

“Suppose a man has intercourse with a young woman who is a virgin but is not engaged to be married. If they are discovered, he must pay her father fifty pieces of silver. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he may never divorce her as long as he lives.”  (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

NEW REVISED STANDARD BIBLE:

“If a man meets a virgin who is not engaged, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are caught in the act, the man who lay with her shall give fifty shekels of silver to the young woman's father, and she shall become his wife. Because he violated her he shall not be permitted to divorce her as long as he lives.” (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION:

If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, that is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty [shekels] of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he hath humbled her; he may not put her away all his days.” (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

THE BIBLE IN BASIC ENGLISH: 

“If a man sees a young virgin, who has not given her word to be married to anyone, and he takes her by force and has connection with her, and discovery is made of it; Then the man will have to give the virgin's father fifty shekels of silver and make her his wife, because he has put shame on her; he may never put her away all his life.” (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

COMMON ENGLISH BIBLE:

If a man meets up with a young woman who is a virgin and not engaged, grabs her and has sex with her, and they are caught in the act, the man who had sex with her must give fifty silver shekels to the young woman's father. She will also become his wife because he has humiliated her. He is never allowed to divorce her.  (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

COMMON ENGLISH BIBLE WITH APOCRYHA: 

“If a man meets up with a young woman who is a virgin and not engaged, grabs her and has sex with her, and they are caught in the act, the man who had sex with her must give fifty silver shekels to the young woman's father. She will also become his wife because he has humiliated her. He is never allowed to divorce her.” (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

THE COMPLETE JEWISH BIBLE: 

“If a man meets up with a young woman who is a virgin and not engaged, grabs her and has sex with her, and they are caught in the act, then the man who had intercourse with her must give to the girl's father one-and-a-quarter pounds of silver shekels, and she will become his wife, because he humiliated her; he may not divorce her as long as he lives.” (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

THE DARBY TRANSLATION:

“If a man find a damsel, a virgin, who is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found,then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty [shekels] of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he hath humbled her; he may not put her away all his days.” (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

GOOD NEWS TRANSLATION:

"Suppose a man is caught raping a young woman who is not engaged. He is to pay her father the bride price of fifty pieces of silver, and she is to become his wife, because he forced her to have intercourse with him. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.”  (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

GOOD NEWS TRANSLATION WITH APOCRYHA:“

"Suppose a man is caught raping a young woman who is not engaged, he is to pay her father the bride price of fifty pieces of silver, and she is to become his wife, because he forced her to have intercourse with him. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.” Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

GOD’S WORD TRANSLATION:

"This is what you must do when a man rapes a virgin who isn't engaged. When the crime is discovered, the man who had sexual intercourse with her must give the girl's father 1¼ pounds of silver, and she will become his wife. Since he raped her, he can never divorce her as long as he lives.” (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

JUBILEE BIBLE 2000:

“When a man finds a damsel that is a virgin who is not betrothed and lays hold on her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel’s father fifty shekels of silver and she shall be his wife; because he has humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.”  (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

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HEADS UP RICKEY "BIBLE DUNCE," THE RAPIST AS SHOWN IN THE ABOVE VERSES WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY THE SILVER SHEKELS TO THE FATHER, IF HE DID NOT RAPE HIS DAUGHTER IN THE FIRST PLACE, GET IT? .... HUH? .... MAYBE JUST A LITTLE BIT BIBLE FOOL? 

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21CenturyIconoclast

@Factfinder

Have you ever seen such an outright BIBLE FOOL as this Religion Forum's  RickeyHoltsclaw?  We have both been in many Religion Forums in setting the Bible straight to many pseudo-christians like Rickey over the years, but in all my years of doing this simple fact, I have NEVER seen such a BIBLE INEPT pseudo-christian like Rickey!

What Rickey needs to do, is not use his Satanic Apologetic books to try and "weasel out" of disturbing bible verses, because when he does like in this thread, he becomes more STU-PID!  The irony of the primitive Bronze and Iron Age faith of Christianity, is their biblical fact that Jesus as god is watching Rickey in rewriting his words from what Jesus actually stated! (Hebrews 4:13)





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RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; Is there a debatable premise hidden in there somewhere?...I will give this, at least your text is readable..thank you.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; We know that "rape" is not at issue because if rape has manifest the death penalty would be forthcoming subsequent adjudication. Your facade of concern and ignorance due atheism is irrelevant as the couple concerned have mutually engaged in infidelity via fornication...there is no rape. 

Deuteronomy 22:23-27

23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.

25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor, 27 for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed, there was no one to rescue her.

MayCaesar

"Hi, I am here to save you!"

"Save me from what?"

"From what I will do to you if you do not hand me over all of your goodies."

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw


RICKEYHOLTSCLAW'S ...."WORD SALAD".... IN RUNNING AWAY FROM ME BIBLE SLAPPING HIM SILLY IN MY POST RELATIVE TO DEUTERONOMY 22:28-29:   "We know that "rape" is not at issue because if rape has manifest the death penalty would be forthcoming subsequent adjudication. Your facade of concern and ignorance due atheism is irrelevant as the couple concerned have mutually engaged in infidelity via fornication...there is no rape."

Membership, TRY and read his quote above and put it into perspective!  Rickey's grade-school syntax and "flim-flam-verbiage" is as dumbfounded as the former president and CONVICTED FELON DONALD TRUMPS!  LOL!   I can only assume that I BIBLE SLAPPED HIM SILLY®️ so much that he is now mumbling his words together that don't make any sense, accept to his
his "bird-brain!"

Unfortunately, Rickey doesn't realize in how BIBLE DUMB he is as shown by many Atheists with this forum, and therefore is an embarrassment to the primitive faith of Christianity!




This image's statement is what the BIBLE DUNCE Rickey accepts, and we laugh!

 


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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

RICKEY'S QUOTE OF TRYING TO SAVE WHAT FACE HE HAS LEFT WITHIN THIS FORUM!:  " Is there a debatable premise hidden in there somewhere?...I will give this, at least your text is readable..thank you."

Rickey is once again grasping for the proverbial straws that are not even there to begin with, where in relation to my post to Factfinder in shown in just how BIBLE STU-PID Rickey truly is!

RICKEY, HOPEFULLY FOR YOU, IS THAT YOUR FRIENDS OR FAMILY ARE NOT VIEWING YOUR THREADS, WHERE ATHEISTS ARE MAKING YOU THE OUTRIGHT LAUGHING STOCK OF THIS RELIGION FORUM!  LOL!!!!





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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

YOUR DUMB A*SS QUOTE ONCE AGAIN IN FRONT OR THE MEMBERSHIP!: "Mark 16:9-20 is not Biblical Text but most like an addition by a Scribe who had originally separated his closing of Mark with notations but it mistakenly found its way into the inspired Text."

I am going to give you a choice to save your sorry a*ss instead of me easily refuting your bible uneducated pitiful response above relative to Mark 16:19-20, okay?  Therefore, do you want me to make you the BIBLE FOOL again regarding your dumbfounded statement above pertaining to Mark 16:9-20, and if you do, you will be wiping the egg from your face for weeks?!!!!

YES OR NO?







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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw


RICKEYHOLTSCLAW HAS TO FACTUALLY ACCEPT THAT HIS PRIMITIVE CHRISTIANITY IS BASED UPON FEAR IN THE 21ST CENTURY!

While today there are liberal clergy who preach a gospel of love, they ignore the bulk of Christian teachings, not to mention the bulk of Christian history. Throughout almost its entire time on Earth, the motor driving Christianity has been—in addition to the fear of death—fear of the devil and fear of hell. One can only imagine how potent these threats seemed prior to the rise of science and rational thinking, which have largely robbed these bogeys of their power to inspire terror.

But even today, the existence of the devil and hell are cardinal doctrinal tenets of almost all  DIVISIONS of Christianity, and many fundamentalist preachers still openly resort to terrorizing their followers with lurid, sadistic portraits of the suffering of nonbelievers after death going to hell if they did not believe in the serial killer Jesus as God. This is not an attempt to convince through logic and reason; it is not an attempt to appeal to the better nature of individuals; rather, it is an attempt to whip the flock into line through threats, through appeals to a base part of human nature—fear and cowardice!


TO ACCEPT THE PRIMITIVE AND BRONZE AGE CHRISTIANITY TODAY IN THE 21ST CENTURY OF SCIENCE AND REASON, YOU HAVE TO BE AS DUMBFOUNDED AS RICKEYHOLSTCLAW!  LOL!






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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw


RICKEY HOLTSCLAW HAS TO ACCEPT THAT HIS CHRISTIANITY PREYS UPON INNOCENT CHILDREN, AND EVEN HIS CHILDREN AS WELL BECAUSE HE ALLOWS IT!

If pseudo-christian fear-mongering were directed solely at adults, it would be bad enough, but pseudo-christians routinely terrorize helpless children through grisly depictions of the endless horrors and suffering they'll be subjected to if they don’t believe in the serial killer Jesus!. Christianity has darkened the early years of generation after generation of children, who have lived in terror of dying while in mortal sin and going to endless torments as a result in HELL. All of these children were trusting of adults, and they did not have the ability to analyze what they were being told at a young age; where they were simply helpless victims, who, ironically, victimized following generations in the same manner that they themselves had been victimized by the JUDEO-Christian bible!  The nearly 2000 years of Christian terrorizing of children ranks as one of its greatest crimes of humanity. And it’s one that continues to this day at the expense of their children's well being!

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

RICKEYHOLTSCLAW HAS TO BIBLICALLY ACCEPT THAT HIS ASSUMED EVER LOVING AND FORGIVING JESUS AS GOD, MURDERED INNOCENT INFANTS AND SUCKLING BABIES!!!!!  WHAT?!

“This is what the Lord Almighty says: Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and .” (1 Samuel 15:3)

How many times did Rickey preach within this Religion Forum that his Jesus is without sin, and ever loving and forgiving to his JEWISH creation?

Subsequent to the one passage shown above of many were Jesus as god MURDERED INFANTS AND SUCKLING BABIES, where we now can call Rickey a blatant in this respect that his brutal and bloody murderer JESUS AS GOD is NOT ever forgiving and loving!  DESPICABLE!

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw


UPDATED ON JUNE 5, 2024 AT RICKEY'S EXPENSE!

RICKEYHOLTSCLAW'S ...."BIBLE MORALITY 101".... WHERE HE HAS TO ACCEPT AND FOLLOW HIS JESUS' WORDS AS GOD AS SHOWN IN THE FOLLOWING LIST!

"But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4)

1.  Rickey accepts that Lot’s two daughters had ungodly incestuous sex with their father, and biblically this is okay with Jesus as god!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181225/#Comment_181225

2. Rickey accepts that if anyone tries to make him worship another god, then biblically he is to murder that person!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181425/#Comment_181425

3. Rickey accepts that if his daughter is not a virgin upon her wedding night, then biblically he is to murder her along with others helping him!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181621/#Comment_181621  

4. Rickey accepts that if his children do not follow his rules, then biblically he is to BEAT THEM WITH A ROD that leaves bruises!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181685/#Comment_181685

5. Ricky accepts that if there are hard times, or for whatever reason, then biblically he could sell his daughter into slavery, praise Jesus!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181705/#Comment_181705

6. Rickey accepts that his god Jesus biblically is an outright BRUTAL ABORTIONIST, and therefore he can’t attend Anti-Abortion Rallies because he would be a hypocrite!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181919/#Comment_181919

7. Rickey accepts that his god's words say that his biblically 2nd class wife cannot speak in church, and is to just "STFU" when going to church!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181954/#Comment_181954

8. Rickey has to accept that he has to HATE his family members, and his children, to be a disciple of Jesus, praise!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181975/#Comment_181975

9. Rickey accepts biblically that if a Christian owns a slave, THEN JESUS SAYS they can BEAT THEM MERCILESSLY, praise Jesus!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181979/#Comment_181979

10. Rickey biblically accepts that if he sees a christian working on the Sabbath, then his bible says to murder them!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181981/#Comment_181981

11. Rickey biblically accepts that if your children curse him or their mother, then said child is to be put to death, praise Jesus!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181982/#Comment_181982

12. Rickey biblically accepts that his Jesus as god screwed up when creating mankind through INCESTUAL SEXUAL RELATIONS through family members!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181984/#Comment_181984

13. Rickey biblically without question, accepts that his second class wife's existence is to be ruled over by him because he is the superior man, praise Jesus!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182059/#Comment_182059

14. Rickey biblically accepts that if his wife helps him in a fight with another man, he is to cut off her hand for helping him, praise Jesus' disparaging words towards women!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182060/#Comment_182060

15. Rickey accepts that when his wife becomes a pain in the butt, Jesus' inspired words tell him to do the following, praise Jesus' words against women again!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182061/#Comment_182061

16.  Rickey has to biblically accept that his god Jesus DEMANDED his Jewish creation "EAT THEIR SONS AND DAUGHTERS AND NEIGHBORS!" Ewwwwwwww, bad Jesus!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182078/#Comment_182078

17. Rickey has to biblically accept that his Jesus as god said to him that he is to sell ALL of his possessions and give to the poor and needy, of which he has not done! 

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182079/#Comment_182079

18. Rickey has to biblically accept again, that his god Jesus says to "murder homosexuals" and where he cannot say Jesus is wrong in this respect!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182080/#Comment_182080

19. Rickey has to biblically accept the fact of how a Christian man is to seek out a 2nd class biblical woman for his wife, praise Jesus' examples!  

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182089/#Comment_182089

20. Rickey biblically accepts that his 2nd class wife is a loser and knows nothing and is the "weaker vessel" of their marriage, so says Jesus' inspired words as god!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182090/#Comment_182090

21. Rickey once again has to biblically accept that if he truly believes, he can pick up a "Rattle Snake," drink Drano, and heal a cancer patient, so saith Jesus as god!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182091/#Comment_182091

22. Rickey biblically accepts that his Jesus as god was into ungodly PEDOPHILIA! How sickening can Jesus get???!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182110/#Comment_182110

23.  Rickey biblically accepts that his Jesus assisted in the raping of innocent women!  Jesus is ever loving and forgiving? NOT!!!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182111/#Comment_182111

24. Rickey biblically accepts this time, in that his Jesus has a rape law that makes the woman that was raped to marry her rapist and have his baby!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182112/#Comment_182112

25. Rickey has to biblically accept again that his primitive Bronze and Iron Age faith is Christianity is based upon FEAR!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182199/#Comment_182199

26. Rickey outright biblically accepts that his primitive faith of Christianity preys upon innocent children that can be scared to death of their faith!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182200/#Comment_182200

27. Rickey unfortunately has to accept that his JESUS AS GOD MURDERED INNOCENT INFANTS AND SUCKLING BABIES, where how can he be considered ever loving and forgiving?!  

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182201/#Comment_182201

RICKEYHOLTSCLAW IS THE BIGGEST PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN HYPOCRITE IF HE DOES NOT ACCEPT OR FOLLOW JESUS' DIRECT WORDS IN THIS POST, PERIOD!

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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

CALLING RICKEY HOLTSCLAW!!! ..... YOU ARE WAY BEHIND IN "TRYING TO REFUTE" MY SHOWING YOU YOUR ABHORRED BIBLE MORALITY 101 PROPOSITIONS THAT YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT AND FOLLOW BECAUSE THEY WERE INSPIRED BY YOUR JESUS AS GOD IN THE LINK BELOW! 
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182202/#Comment_182202


You have only shown a few ever so wanting posts to "TRY" and refute the biblically vouchsafed links that I have given you that were easily refuted by me!  Therefore, what is your excuse to not follow through and ADDRESS ALL OF THEM?  Are you to SCARED AGAIN because said posts shows your primitive Bronze and Iron Age religion of Christianity to be outright embarrassing and sickening? Is that it? HUH?

The membership, your family and friends, AND JESUS is watching you (Hebrews 4:13) run away from all of the links shown, whereas Jesus explicitly states that you are to defend your faith as shown herewith:  "He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9) 

RICKEY WE ARE WAITING , GET TO WORK IN THE NAME OF JESUS!

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Bogan

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; @Factfinder ; @Bogan ; @Jack ; @JulesKorngold ; @ZeusAres42 ; @Joeseph ; @MayCaesar ;

All life, including yours, falls under the sovereignty of our Creator, Elohim (Genesis 1:1) and He is free to do with life, including yours, as He pleases; this, for His eschatological purposes going forward as the war between your father, Satan (John 8:44), and Elohim progresses along a planned timeline to a conclusion where victory belongs to Messiah Jesus and those who endure with Him through faith (Revelation 5:5). Elohim is NOT bound by due process nor is Elohim encumbered by any obligations to you or the angels; again, Elohim is divinely sovereign and the only hope humanity has for survival is in the divine attribute of LOVE that defines our Creator's Divinity.

You possess the free will option to humble yourself and come to terms with your helpless and lowly position in this life constrained by Time and physics and consequently seek the wisdom and discernment and intercession of our Creator by faith in Jesus and find life and victory therein or you can continue in your servitude to Satan and you will perish like the millions, including babies, that succumbed to the perils of a spiritual war, a war of infinitely greater magnitude than your atheistically impotent 3-pound brain can comprehend; again, the choice is yours, seek Elohim in Jesus as your Messiah and LIVE eternally with understanding and purpose (John 3) or kick against goads in self-righteous atheistic ignorance and arrogance and perish in Hell with the "many" (Matthew 7:13-14)...the free will choice is YOURS!

Concerning the facade of the atheist/secular humanist/religionist who is aghast at the death of millions of babies in the Biblical record that Elohim took-back unto Himself due His sovereign authority; these children, as are the mentally handicapped/cognitively impaired, are eternally secure in Elohim as He chooses to not hold accountable those absent the ability to fully cognitively comprehend His will and His authority over their individual lives; with that said, if you possess the cognitive acuity to read and understand what has been written in this brief statement, you are wholly liable and accountable to our Holy and Righteous Creator and His sovereign will and authority and it is wholly irrelevant what you think about it or your opinions concerning the matter (Romans 1:18-32).

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

RICKEY THE RUNAWAY FROM HIS BIBLE, LOL!


1.  YOU FORGOT TO ANSWER ME:  Do you want me to make you the BIBLE FOOL again in front of the membership regarding your dumbfounded statement pertaining to Mark 16:9-20, just like I easily did with the unbiblical notion to Deuteronomy 22:29-29 where your biblical knowledge was "grade-school" quality at best!  LOL!  YES OR NO?

2.  You "tried" to answer my posts pertaining to the Bible Morality 101 posts before, but now you are hiding from them that shows that you are to embarrassed now to "try" once again to address them, where you are just too SCARED and have to go into hiding from them now!  GOOD BOY RICKEY, YOU ARE FINALLY LEARNING THAT YOUR PRIMITIVE BRONZE AND IRON AGE BIBLE CANNOT BE DEFENDED BY YOU, PRASE ZEUS!



3. YOUR SICKENING QUOTE REGARDING YOUR SERIAL KILLER JESUS:  "All life, including yours, falls under the sovereignty of our Creator, Elohim (Genesis 1:1) and He is free to do with life, including yours, as He pleases;"

Since you say that your serial killer Jesus can do what ever he wants to his JEWISH creation, then you are okay with him murdering innocent infants and suckling babies that did not know of their parents wrong doings, and were brutally killed nonetheless in this verse:

“This is what the Lord Almighty says: Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, INFANT AND SUCKLING ox and sheep, camel and .” (1 Samuel 15:3)

Under the brutality in murdering INFANTS AND SUCKLING BABIES shown above that Jesus did, can you even say that he is ever loving (1 John 4:16) and ever forgiving (Mark 2:5)?
What is your answer to this abhorred act by your stinking god Jesus?



4. YOUR TOTALLY DUMB AS*S QUOTE AGAIN SHOWING YOUR BIBLE IGNORANCE:  "..... and Elohim progresses along a planned timeline to a conclusion where victory belongs to Messiah Jesus and those who endure with Him through faith. "

RICKEY, we can only assume that you like being made the pseudo-christian BIBLE FOOL, because I have easily "schooled you" upon the biblical FACT THAT JESUS IS NOT THE MESSIAH as shown in this link at your embarrassing expense AGAIN!
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/180522/#Comment_180522



RICKEY, HOW CAN YOU REMAIN IN THIS RELIGION FORUM WHEN YOU OUTRIGHT MAKE YOURSELF A BIBLE FOOL ON A CONTINUED BASIS?!






 

Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

So explain rationally, what twisted god punk a*s b*tch has  "judgments where to survive, people ate their children..."

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; Jesus is Elohim, our Creator, who gave Himself for humanity to provide blood atonement, an act of selfless love that destroyed the works of the Devil i.e., death-Hell-the grave for all who believe that Jesus is our Messiah. The Plan is much larger and infinitely more complex than dying unto one's self.

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

RICKEY, the number one Bible FOOL of this Religion Forum, bar none,

What happened, are you to SCARED again to address my post shown in this thread herewith:
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182233/#Comment_182233


You have never understood that Jesus is watching you RUN AWAY from my Atheist's post to you (Hebrews 4:13) regarding your sickening Bronze and Iron Age Christianity!  Whereas once again, you show the membership that you cannot defend your faith in my post link above!  

What part of this command by your serial killer Jesus don't you understand where you are to at least "try" to defend your faith?  "He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9) 


RICKEY, you have no sense to realize that you are one of the biggest LOSERS of Christianity that this Religion Forum has probably ever seen!

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

YOUR BIBLE ILLITERATE QUOTE AGAIN:  @Factfinder ; "Jesus is Elohim, our Creator, who gave Himself for humanity to provide blood atonement," 

Your serial killer JESUS AS GOD was not a true sacrifice whatsoever because he didn't DIE AND REMAIN DEAD, as a true Sacrifice as shown in other areas of the JUDEO-Christian bible, you ignorant fool!  






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RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ;  Jesus was never foreordained to remain dead as His resurrection is our guarantee of or the Firstfruits of our resurrection for all who believe in Jesus as Messiah. Jesus told you this a number of times but you don't listen or you don't study and you don't believe.

Jesus said,

John 2:18-22,

18 So the Jews said to him, “What sign do you show us for doing these things?” 19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” 20 The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple,[c] and will you raise it up in three days?” 21 But he was speaking about the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.

The Sign of Jonah,

Jesus said,

38 Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered him, saying, “Teacher, we wish to see a sign from you.” 39 But he answered them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41 The men of Nineveh will rise up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and behold, something greater than Jonah is here. 42 The queen of the South will rise up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon, and behold, something greater than Solomon is here.

The death of Jesus was as Testor of a Covenant or Will...there was no requirement that the Testor remain dead,

Hebrews 9,

15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.[h] 16 For where a will is involved, the death of the one who made it must be established. 17 For a will takes effect only at death, since it is not in force as long as the one who made it is alive. 18 Therefore not even the first covenant was inaugurated without blood. 19 For when every commandment of the law had been declared by Moses to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20 saying, “This is the blood of the covenant that God commanded for you.” 21 And in the same way he sprinkled with the blood both the tent and all the vessels used in worship. 22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

23 Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. 25 Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26 for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; The fact is, I have Jesus; You have Satan....Jesus is victorious over Satan...so who is actually the "loser?"

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw


ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR DUMBFOUNDED QUOTES:  @21CenturyIconoclast ; "The fact is, I have Jesus; You have Satan....Jesus is victorious over Satan...so who is actually the "loser?"

The real fact is that you have been running away from the JUDEO-Christian propositions shown below since I posted them!  
therefore, who is the LOSER, LOSER?   LOL!

Rickey, how long before you even "try" to address these very disturbing verses inspired by your serial killer Jesus? TO SCARED AGAIN AS JESUS WATCHES YOU RUN! (HEBREWS 4:13)? 

"But he answered, “It is written, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4)

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1.  Rickey accepts that Lot’s two daughters had ungodly incestuous sex with their father, and biblically this is okay with Jesus as god!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181225/#Comment_181225

2. Rickey accepts that if anyone tries to make him worship another god, then biblically he is to murder that person!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181425/#Comment_181425

3. Rickey accepts that if his daughter is not a virgin upon her wedding night, then biblically he is to murder her along with others helping him!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181621/#Comment_181621  

4. Rickey accepts that if his children do not follow his rules, then biblically he is to BEAT THEM WITH A ROD that leaves bruises!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181685/#Comment_181685

5. Ricky accepts that if there are hard times, or for whatever reason, then biblically he could sell his daughter into slavery, praise Jesus!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181705/#Comment_181705

6. Rickey accepts that his god Jesus biblically is an outright BRUTAL ABORTIONIST, and therefore he can’t attend Anti-Abortion Rallies because he would be a hypocrite!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181919/#Comment_181919

7. Rickey accepts that his god's words say that his biblically 2nd class wife cannot speak in church, and is to just "STFU" when going to church!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181954/#Comment_181954

8. Rickey has to accept that he has to HATE his family members, and his children, to be a disciple of Jesus, praise!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181975/#Comment_181975

9. Rickey accepts biblically that if a Christian owns a slave, THEN JESUS SAYS they can BEAT THEM MERCILESSLY, praise Jesus!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181979/#Comment_181979

10. Rickey biblically accepts that if he sees a christian working on the Sabbath, then his bible says to murder them!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181981/#Comment_181981

11. Rickey biblically accepts that if your children curse him or their mother, then said child is to be put to death, praise Jesus!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181982/#Comment_181982

12. Rickey biblically accepts that his Jesus as god screwed up when creating mankind through INCESTUAL SEXUAL RELATIONS through family members!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/181984/#Comment_181984

13. Rickey biblically without question, accepts that his second class wife's existence is to be ruled over by him because he is the superior man, praise Jesus!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182059/#Comment_182059

14. Rickey biblically accepts that if his wife helps him in a fight with another man, he is to cut off her hand for helping him, praise Jesus' disparaging words towards women!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182060/#Comment_182060

15. Rickey accepts that when his wife becomes a pain in the butt, Jesus' inspired words tell him to do the following, praise Jesus' words against women again!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182061/#Comment_182061

16.  Rickey has to biblically accept that his god Jesus DEMANDED his Jewish creation "EAT THEIR SONS AND DAUGHTERS AND NEIGHBORS!" Ewwwwwwww, bad Jesus!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182078/#Comment_182078

17. Rickey has to biblically accept that his Jesus as god said to him that he is to sell ALL of his possessions and give to the poor and needy, of which he has not done! 

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182079/#Comment_182079

18. Rickey has to biblically accept again, that his god Jesus says to "murder homosexuals" and where he cannot say Jesus is wrong in this respect!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182080/#Comment_182080

19. Rickey has to biblically accept the fact of how a Christian man is to seek out a 2nd class biblical woman for his wife, praise Jesus' examples!  

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182089/#Comment_182089

20. Rickey biblically accepts that his 2nd class wife is a loser and knows nothing and is the "weaker vessel" of their marriage, so says Jesus' inspired words as god!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182090/#Comment_182090

21. Rickey once again has to biblically accept that if he truly believes, he can pick up a "Rattle Snake," drink Drano, and heal a cancer patient, so saith Jesus as god!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182091/#Comment_182091

22. Rickey biblically accepts that his Jesus as god was into ungodly PEDOPHILIA! How sickening can Jesus get???!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182110/#Comment_182110

23.  Rickey biblically accepts that his Jesus assisted in the raping of innocent women!  Jesus is ever loving and forgiving? NOT!!!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182111/#Comment_182111

24. Rickey biblically accepts this time, in that his Jesus has a rape law that makes the woman that was raped to marry her rapist and have his baby!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182112/#Comment_182112

25. Rickey has to biblically accept again that his primitive Bronze and Iron Age faith is Christianity is based upon FEAR!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182199/#Comment_182199

26. Rickey outright biblically accepts that his primitive faith of Christianity preys upon innocent children that can be scared to death of their faith!

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182200/#Comment_182200

27. Rickey unfortunately has to accept that his JESUS AS GOD MURDERED INNOCENT INFANTS AND SUCKLING BABIES, where how can he be considered ever loving and forgiving?!  

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182201/#Comment_182201

RICKEYHOLTSCLAW IS THE BIGGEST PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN HYPOCRITE IF HE DOES NOT ACCEPT OR FOLLOW JESUS' DIRECT WORDS IN THIS POST, PERIOD!

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ;  Do you have "proof" of your spurious allegations...do you possess the cognitive ability to debate a logical premise?

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

RICKEY'S QUOTE WHERE HE IS ONCE AGAIN RUNNING AWAY FROM HIS SICKENING BIBLE MORALITY!: " Do you have "proof" of your spurious allegations...do you possess the cognitive ability to debate a logical premise? "
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182303/#Comment_182303

Listen up bible dunce, don't even try to put the onus upon me regarding my post of 27, at this time, of sickening and abhorred bible morality propositions that are easily brought forth LITERALLY and are not spurious allegations whatsoever!  

Therefore, if you do not start addressing them in said post, I will take one at a time and confront you with them in front of the membership at your expense, do you understand bible inept fool?! 



HERE IS AN IMAGE OF "RICKEYHOLTSCLAW" RUNNING AWAY FROM
HIS DISGUSTING BIBLE MORALITY BECAUSE HE IS TO EMBARRASSED
 TO TRY AND DEFEND IT!




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RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; Provide a rebuttable, understandable, premise...I'll debate you.