Jesus our Messiah, His Deity, Your Salvation from death in Hell?

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

YOUR LITTLE BOY RUNAWAY QUOTE TO MY ABHORRED BIBLE MORALITY PROPOSITIONS AGAIN THAT I HAVE GIVEN YOU!!!:  " Provide a rebuttable, understandable, premise...I'll debate you. "

HELLO BIBLE DUNCE!  What is totally embarrassing for you, is the FACT that I bring forth said Bible Morality propositions, and what do you do? YOU RUN AWAY FROM THEM with little boy lame excuses like your quote above!   LOL!


Therefore, at your chagrin again in front of the membership, I want you to tell us why you still worship and pray to a Bronze and Iron Age brutal and bloody serial killer Jesus god in the 21st century that murdered innocent INFANTS AND SUCKLING BABIES that knew nothing in what their parents did to upset your sickening murderer Jesus god?!

“This is what the Lord Almighty says: Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and  ox.” (1 Samuel 15:3)

READY RICKEY?

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This post is #1 where you have 26 left of the list above, and more Bible Morality propositions will be added as well for you to discuss, do you understand bible inept pseudo-christian fool?!





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RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ;  Elohim is a Warrior...the Old Testament is replete with battles between good v. evil...Elohim's eschatological imperatives concerning the defeat of Satan were based in the defeat of paganism that sought Israel's demise thereby thwarting Israel's ability to introduce Messiah through Judah and thereby stymie the introduction of the Gospel and the Great Commission, all of which were focused upon the destruction of Satan's works in Time and in Eternity (1 John 3:8b) via the Gospel that was ordained "before Time began" (2 Timothy 1:8-10). Please study and don't die in Hell in spiritual ignorance. And please learn to express yourself with some semblance of decency and logic...you're not well, spiritually or cognitively. 

 

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

YOUR LONG-WINDED JABBARWOCKERY QUOTE THAT DID NOT ADDRESS THE MAIN PREMISE, BIBLIE FOOL!  @21CenturyIconoclast ;  Elohim is a Warrior...the Old Testament is replete with battles between good v. evil...Elohim's eschatological imperatives concerning the defeat of Satan were based in the defeat of paganism that sought Israel's demise thereby thwarting Israel's ability to introduce Messiah through Judah and thereby stymie the introduction of the Gospel and the Great Commission, all of which were focused upon the destruction of Satan's works in Time and in Eternity (1 John 3:8b) via the Gospel that was ordained "before Time began" (2 Timothy 1:8-10). Please study and don't die in Hell in spiritual ignorance. And please learn to express yourself with some semblance of decency and logic...you're not well, spiritually or cognitively."


HEADS UP THIS TIME,  again, I want you to tell us why you still worship and pray to a Bronze and Iron Age brutal and bloody serial killer Jesus god in the 21st century that murdered innocent INFANTS AND SUCKLING BABIES that knew nothing in what their parents did to upset your sickening murderer Jesus god?! (1 Samuel 15:3)

TRY AGAIN!

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The irony is that the only one in our discussion that does not show "decency and logic" is YOU for worshiping a god that murdered innocent INFANTS AND SUCKLING BABIES as shown above, and that you are still RUNNING AWAY FROM! 

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; Elohim is Creator and He has sovereign rights over your life and your destiny...you have been afforded the opportunity to ally with Him by faith in Jesus and find life and peace and mercy in the storms of war that rage around us as a warrior with Elohim...but you would rather die in spiritual ignorance and arrogance if the stup-idity of atheism in servitude to Satan...you are sowing and reaping destruction. 

 

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ;  Jesus does not murder babies, your god and your father, Satan, murders babes and your ilk fights and clamors for the "right" to murder them in the womb...you are a spiritually sick individual who will be judged for the murder of children as you have advocated for this horror via your vote and your affiliation with atheism.

Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Sure, Jesus don't murder all the babies in the world, well except when he does...

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ;  @21CenturyIconoclast ;  The Flood was not murder, it was judgment and the lives taken belonged to our Creator who has complete sovereignty over those lives and the children taken in The Flood were secure in our Lord, forever...they will live forever in the presence of their Creator, secure. You, on the other hand, in your unbelief will perish in this body and perish in the "second death" due you insolence, arrogance, unbelief....you will reap what you're sowing in unbelief having rejected Jesus as your Messiah for the atonement of sin (John 3).

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw


YOUR RUNAWAY QUOTE WHERE I HAVE SHOWED YOU THE BIBLE EVIDENCE IN THE FACT THAT YOUR JESUS AS GOD MURDERED INNOCENT INANTS AND SUCKING BABIES: "Jesus does not murder babies,"
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182428/#Comment_182428

"This is what the lord almighty says; "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, INFANT AND SUCKLING, ox and sheep, camel and  ox.” (1 Samuel 15:3)


HEADS UP FOR THE THIRD TIME,  again, I want you to tell us why you still worship and pray to a Bronze and Iron Age brutal and bloody serial killer Jesus god in the 21st century that "was an accomplice and commanded" to murdering innocent infants and suckling babies that knew nothing in what their parents did to upset your sickening murderer Jesus god?! (1 Samuel 15:3)

TRY AGAIN FOR THE THIRD TIME!

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Rickey, I haven't even started on you yet, because you have 26 more Bible Morality propositions for you to address, but, you are to "try" and reman intelligent looking in the aftermath, which you haven't done yet,  as I will continue to BIBLE SLAP YOU SILLY®️ in front of the membership and your family!



RUN RICKEY, RUN AWAY FROM YOUR SERIAL KILLER JESUS AS TRUTHFULLY
DESCRIBED IN THE VERSE ABOVE, RUN, HURRY, GO INTO HIDING AS JESUS
WATCHES YOU NOT BEING ABLE TO DEFEND HIS PRIMITIVE FAITH OF
CHRISTIANITY! (HEBREWS 4:13)




NEXT DUMBFOUNDED PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN LIKE ...."RICKEYHOLTSCLAW".... THAT HAS TO RUNAWAY FROM HIS JESUS' TRUE MO IN HIM BEING AN INNOCENT INFANT AND SUCKLING BABY KILLER, WILL BE ......?


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RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; It is your father that is the root and cause of murder...and you, in your atheism, will suffer a fate similar to his in Eternity subsequent your last exhalation in Time (Rev 20:10-15). 

 

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw, 


RICKEYHOLTSCLAW'S NON SEQUITUR QUOTE IN TRYING TO SPIN DOCTOR HIS WAY OUT OF HIS JESUS AS GOD MURDERING INNOCENT INFANTS AND SUCKLING BABIES AS SHOWN IN MY POST ABOVE!!!!!: "@21CenturyIconoclast ; It is your father that is the root and cause of murder...and you, in your atheism, will suffer a fate similar to his in Eternity subsequent your last exhalation in Time (Rev 20:10-15)."

Rickey, how embarrassed do you want to be in front of the membership, your family, friends, AND JESUS, where your pitiful statement above is an absolute NON SEQUITUR because you didn't answer my question shown below AGAIN:

HEADS UP FOR THE FORTH TIME!!!!,  I want you to tell us why you still worship and pray to a Bronze and Iron Age brutal and bloody serial killer Jesus god in the 21st century that "was an accomplice and commanded" to murdering innocent infants and suckling babies that knew nothing in what their parents did to upset your sickening murderer Jesus god?! (1 Samuel 15:3)

TRY AGAIN FOR THE FORTH TIME!

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"This is what the lord almighty says; "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare
them not; but slay both man and woman, INFANT AND SUCKLING, ox and sheep, camel and  ox.” (1 Samuel 15:3)





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21CenturyIconoclast

@Factfinder

As embarrassingly shown above AGAIN in front of the membership, our number one Bible fool RickeyHoltsclaw has now RAN AWAY 4 TIMES to my topic in the above post, 4 TIMES!!!

At what point does Rickey realize that he is no match to us showing in how BIBLE STU-PID he truly is, and therefore, where he will have to leave this Religion Forum in shame because we will continue to follow him around this forum showing his outright bible ineptness?

Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

The Flood was not murder, it was judgment and the lives taken belonged to our Creator who has complete sovereignty over those lives and the children taken in The Flood were secure in our Lord, forever..

So objective morality is out the window when your punk god wants to go on a killing spree? And the great crime that it judges the world for? 'They won't worship my pathetic self absorbed, non existent arse', wah, wa, sniffle, sniffle.

Factfinder

@21CenturyIconoclast

He tried the pathetic "sovereign rights over its creation" defense but of course for that to stand he would have to ditch the whole "objective morality" stance and admit it's subjective which in turn destroys any argument for a just god. So he'll keep running. 

MayCaesar

Factfinder said:

@RickeyHoltsclaw

The Flood was not murder, it was judgment and the lives taken belonged to our Creator who has complete sovereignty over those lives and the children taken in The Flood were secure in our Lord, forever..

So objective morality is out the window when your punk god wants to go on a killing spree? And the great crime that it judges the world for? 'They won't worship my pathetic self absorbed, non existent arse', wah, wa, sniffle, sniffle.

Funny how it works, is it not? People will not see a random drunk that murdered someone as having any kind of justification - but the alleged exemplar of morals, the source of all moral standards, god, gets to kill almost the entire biosphere and be praised for it.

One hothead around here has claimed that without god morals come down to the rule of the strongest. Seems like that is precisely what the Christian god-sourced morals come down to, given that god is the strongest creature out there.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@MayCaesar ; @21CenturyIconoclast ; @Factfinder ; @JulesKorngold ; @Barnadot ; @maxx ; The drunk is mortal...he created NOTHING concerning humanity and has no authority to take life void self-preservation...our Creator is absolutely Sovereign...He created life...He owns it...it's His to do with as He pleases...your problem and the problem of every foolish atheist is their inability or refusal to accept the truism that they're created beings who are subject to a Creator and His will concerning eschatology. You will reap what you're sowing in your atheism, rejection of Jesus as Messiah by faith.

YOU ARE NOTHING but DECAYING FLESH...in your atheism, you're a willing adversary of our Creator in your servitude to Satan...you deserve NOTHING, our Creator owes YOU NOTHING....and YOU'RE headed to death in Hell in your pride, arrogance, stubbornness, foolishness. As goes the defilement of the Adamic and Noahic generations...so goes the atheist.

Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

...our Creator is absolutely Sovereign...He created life...He owns it...it's His to do with as He pleases...

We know, your fairytale elf book said it created evil so it can do good or evil to innocent babies. Did mommy drop you on your head multiple times or were you born slow?

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; @21CenturyIconoclast ; It won't be a "fairytale elf book" the atomic-second subsequent your last exhalation.

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

YOUR OUTRIGHT SCHIZOPHRENIC POSITION OF YOUR SERIAL KILLER JESUS AS GOD:  "The Flood was not murder, it was judgment and the lives taken belonged to our Creator who has complete sovereignty over those lives and the children taken in The Flood were secure in our Lord, forever...they will live forever in the presence of their Creator, secure."
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182455/#Comment_182455

Rickey, I can't believe in how BIBLE STU-PID you can get at times, whereas, you have absolutely no bounds in your JUDEO-Christian bible ineptness, unbelievable!  It's like you just picked up the Christian bible yesterday, and just started to thumb through it and then got on this Religion Forum to show the membership in just how bible dumb you are!!!

The bottom line is that your JESUS AS GOD murdered innocent children in his Great Flood, that he knew was forthcoming in the first place because he was omniscient (1 John 3:20) of which is another topic for you to run away from, where JESUS AS GOD murdered innocent zygotes and fetus' in the woman's wombs, along with infants and sucking babies that you are running away from as well, where the end result was an horrid death in drowning!  

Rickey, lets pretend you were set aside and watched Jesus MURDER as god the innocent young life as shown above, and barring the INDUCED ABORTIONS by murdering women with zygotes and fetus’ within their wombs by drowning their pregnant mothers, just think of the innocent children above the water drowning a horrible death by hopelessly treading water for hours crying out to their mothers to save them!  While drowning, their muscles burned due to large amounts of lactic acid production. ALL THE WHILE, JESUS AS GOD AND YOU WERE WATCHING! (Hebrews 4:13)

Then the innocent young children, infants, and suckling babies were losing the battle not to drown, where water was brought into their little lungs and robbed their innocent bodies of oxygen, causing them to go numb. As the water violently rushed in and out of their little chests, it finally produced their heavy breathing and slowly dying bodies to the bottom of the ocean. The inhaled water caused their lungs to tear and bleed profusely.  ALL THE WHILE JESUS AND YOU ARE WATCHING! (Hebrews 4:13)

As their blood supply dwindled, their innocent hearts slowly came to a halt. Even so, their brains continued to process information for another couple of minutes. They were patently aware that death was imminent, yet they could do nothing to prevent it. We can only imagine that their final thoughts would have been on what they did to deserve such an horrific treatment and death, because they did not know in what their parents did to have the ever loving and forgiving Jesus murder them in such an horrific manner!!!. ALL THE WHILE, JESUS AND YOU WERE WATCHING! (Hebrews 4:13)

Since you were set aside, and your daughter and son horrifically died in the flood as you watched your wife try and save them, where they succumbed to the abhorred death in drowning, would you still say that Jesus that drowned them in this manner, was still ever loving and forgiving? 

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MayCaesar

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

YOU ARE NOTHING but DECAYING FLESH...

When did Rickey turn into a materialist?

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Continuing with your deplorable "BRUTAL BABY KILLER DEATH CULT" of Christianity;

YOUR OUTRIGHT SCHIZOPHRENIC POSITION OF YOUR SERIAL KILLER JESUS AS GOD:  "The Flood was not murder, it was judgment and the lives taken belonged to our Creator who has complete sovereignty over those lives and the children taken in The Flood were secure in our Lord, forever...they will live forever in the presence of their Creator, secure. 
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182455/#Comment_182455

BUT, in your SCHIZOPHRENIC quote again shown above, and biblically, how can your baby killer Jesus as god have the children that were brutally murdered by drowning in his Great Flood, become secure with him forever?  Your JUDEO-Christian bible states otherwise, BIBLE FOOL!



INCOGNITIVE ZYGOTES, FETUS,’ INFANTS, AND SUCKLING BABIES AND YOUNG CHILDREN THAT JESUS BRUTALLY MURDERED IN HIS GREAT FLOOD WENT TO HELL SAYS JESUS!

1. Without using any insidious and comical RickeyHoltsClaw's Satanic apologetics, or his child-like embarrassing non-sequiturs, the following logical deductions are BIBLICAL FACT! 

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6) 

Oh, oh, since zygotes, fetus,' infants, and suckling babies, and young children can’t come to the baby killer Jesus that Rickey worships in the context as fully described in the passage above because they do not have the cognitive ability to do so to understand the verse in question in the first place; then they are not saved if they die before TRULY understanding this passage! The out come then they are directly sent to HELL as the alternative!  KEY WORDS: “no man”, which refers to MEN and woMEN in being as described above!

2. Furthermore we have this verse from the inspired word of the baby killer Jesus that Rickey worships; “But without faith it is impossible to please [him] for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. (Hebrews 11:6 ) 

Here we go again biblically where, zygotes, fetus’, infants, and suckling babies, and the very young children, don't have the cognitive abilities to understand what "faith" is, therefore it is impossible to please Jesus in this respect, so they can not come to the baby killer god Jesus that Rickey worships as described in said verse above! 

Therefore again, if they die within this stated time BEFORE they can understand what "faith," is, then they’re hell bound as the alternative to heaven!  None other than Jesus set the rules in this respect!  

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw


RICKEY THE BIBLE DUNCE!

Hey, you once again became a pseudo-christian HYPOCRITE in front of the membership, your family and friends, AND JESUS (Hebrews 4:13), where you quoted Ezekiel 24:14 in your weak post shown in the link below where you are trying not to have your as*s handed to you continuously by the Atheists that outright OWN YOU regarding your baby killer Jesus that you worship regarding his Great Flood! ..... LOL!
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182587/#Comment_182587  


Where you stated before in the link shown below, that you do not have to follow the Old Testament anymore by quoting Romans 7:6!  
 H-E-L-L-O BIBLE DOOFUS HYPOCRITE, anybody home today, NOT!
Sinai - Moses - Jesus and Eternal Life, what is the Truth?






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RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; Elohim judged the Earth for the defilement, the sexual bloodlust of the Adamic and Noahic generations as they forfeited their ordination as progenitors of the Messiah due their compromise with the demonic...they all died by water save eight as you will die by fire in your sin for having rejected Jesus as your Messiah...no difference....

 

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ;  I find it hypocritical that you're so concerned about The Noahic Flood and the death of babies yet you vote for and advocate for abortion...again, you are NOT mentally or spiritually well.

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw, @Factfinder   


RICKEY RUNAWAY NUMBER ONE FROM BIBLE FACTS

RICKEYHOLTSCLAW, THE "KING" OF NON SEQUITURS BECAUSE HE CAN'T DEFEND HIS JESUS AS GOD!   LOL!!!

Whoopsie again Rickey, you are RUNNING AWAY from my post that gave gruesome details of Jesus as god in murdering ZYGOTES, FETUS,' INFANTS, SUCKLING BABIES, AND YOUNG CHILDREN, where I simply asked you the following question:

The pretend scenario was that you were set aside and watched Jesus as god brutally murdering your children in his Great Flood as you watched your wife trying to save them, where they succumbed to the abhorred death in drowning as I had explained, therefore, would you still say that Jesus that drowned them in this manner, was still ever loving and forgiving? Simple question.

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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw, @Factfinder  

RICKEY HOLTSCLAW RUNAWAY FROM BIBLE FACTS NUMBER TWO!!!

RICKEYHOLTSCLAW, THE "KING" OF NON SEQUITURS BECAUSE HE CAN'T DEFEND HIS JESUS AS GOD!   LOL!!!

Whoopsie again Mr. Rickey, you forgot to address your BIBLE STU-PIDITY again in the verses that I had shown you where you said the babies that Jesus brutally murdered in his Great Flood were with him forever, but I had to easily correct your BIBLE INEPTNESS again in front of the membership and Jesus where the verses shown in the link below, these babies were burning in the sulfur lakes of HELL as an alternative to heaven!
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182604/#Comment_182604

Rickey, are you that SCARED to at least try and make us laugh again with your comical refutations that go nowhere, other than to make you the continued pseudo-christian fool? Huh?

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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw, @Factfinder  

RICKEY HOLTSCLAW RUNAWAY FROM BIBLE FACTS NUMBER THREE!!!

RICKEYHOLTSCLAW, THE "KING" OF NON SEQUITURS BECAUSE HE CAN'T DEFEND HIS JESUS AS GOD!   LOL!!!


OMG, you have now RAN AWAY from three of my godly posts to you in recent days alone, where this is a "Discussion Forum" and NOT a "Runaway from Discussion Forum," understood BIBLE FOOL?

I easily showed you and the membership that once again you were a blatant HYPOCRITE in the link below, where you said you don't have to follow the Old Testament anymore, but you used a verse out of the OT to "try" and save what face you have left in this Religion Forum!
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182608/#Comment_182608 

Therefore, Jesus hates hypocrites, so why do you perform this ungodly act before him? 

"You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said: “‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’”(Matthew 15:7-9)


MEMBERSHIP; as we can see on a continued basis, RickeyHoltsClaw removes one foot from his mouth, to insert the other many times while he tries in vain to defend his barbaric death cult faith of Christianity in the 21st Century.  Sad indeed.  



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21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

YOUR PITIFUL QUOTE THAT TOTALLY DESCRIBES YOU! LOL!: " I find it hypocritical that you're so concerned about The Noahic Flood and the death of babies yet you vote for and advocate for abortion...again, you are NOT mentally or spiritually well." 

You sound like the 77 year old "orange man" FELON Donald Trump that was convicted 34 TIMES by his lawyers picking the jurists for his trial in being a fraud of buying off PORN STARS that he had sex with, while his wife was at home PREGNANT, where you worship this fool like you do with your serial killer JESUS AS GOD that murdered innocent INFANTS and SUCKLING BABIES in 1 Samuel 15:3!  

THEREFORE, WHO IS MENTALLY OR SPIRITUALLY NOT WELL?  YOU ARE BIBLE DUNCE!


I am for abortion before a heartbeat, where your Bible Duncery®️ wants to be against abortion at inception and beyond, NOT!  Your own Jesus, as a brutal infant and suckling baby killer, said that life began when he breathed into the nostrils of Adam and where he "then" became a living creature (Genesis 2:7), so you pseudo-christian fools once again do not follow your Jesus as god, HYPOCRITE RICKEY!



THIS IMAGE SHOWS RICKEYHOLTSCLAW'S WIFE TALKING TO THEIR DAUGHTER
WHERE SHE SAYS THAT I CAN'T BELIEVE IN JESUS AS GOD WHEN HE BRUTALLY
DROWNED INNOCENT INFANTS AND SUCKLING BABIES MOMMY, I AM SORRY!  










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RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ;  Life is created by Jesus; therefore, He has sovereignty of life and it is His to give and to take relevant to His eschatological plan concerning Time and Eternity; you, on the other hand, have no right to advocate for the murder of innocence....you are but a decaying, sinful, atheist who is headed to death in Hell in unbelief...you are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things due your rejection of your Creator...

RexTheDog

@21CenturyIconoclast Consider a teaching role, if we are to teach a class on why world wars are bad then we conclude that yes they are as evidenced by their historic atrocity's. for this harrowing but important lesson to take place at all requires the atrocity to have occurred as an example to be used to explain it. The collective will of men lead to the atrocity, some chose good some chose the bad side in the end all are free now the lesson 'in death and life you are free' we are collectively and unconsciously teaching our selves lessons as we learn from mistake after mistake, every ending is death yet the teacher of the lessons we are all learning, the one who inspires men to act in the collectives resides there so how can this be death if he who is God lives there?  

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw


EARTH TO RICKEYHOLTSCLAW, why are you still RUNNING AWAY from simple biblical questions that I posed to you? SCARED?

Here are the links to your runaway in front of the membership posts:

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182646/#Comment_182646
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182647/#Comment_182647
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182648/#Comment_182648


Don't you realize that your baby killer Jesus as god is watching you RUN AWAY from at least "trying" to defend his faith in the above links?

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Factfinder

RexTheDog said:

@21CenturyIconoclast Consider a teaching role, if we are to teach a class on why world wars are bad then we conclude that yes they are as evidenced by their historic atrocity's. for this harrowing but important lesson to take place at all requires the atrocity to have occurred as an example to be used to explain it. The collective will of men lead to the atrocity, some chose good some chose the bad side in the end all are free now the lesson 'in death and life you are free' we are collectively and unconsciously teaching our selves lessons as we learn from mistake after mistake, every ending is death yet the teacher of the lessons we are all learning, the one who inspires men to act in the collectives resides there so how can this be death if he who is God lives there?  

So your god is limited and must exhibit sadistic, self serving, homicidal behavior to teach us the ills of evil? It doesn't have the power to bestow the same level of understanding of right and wrong without literally causing pain and suffering? If so, no matter what reason you come up with, then it's not the god of the bible...

Luke 1:37: For with God nothing shall be impossible.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; I see no rebuttable premise in your comment...why obfuscate...you lack the intellect to provide a debatable premise?

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; Jesus makes Himself known to those who seek Him with a sincere heart and not to those who blaspheme Him and mock His eternal relevance...you will reap what you're sowing.

Factfinder

@RickeyHoltsclaw

Do you wish you had a brain?

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; Is there a debatable premise in that comment somewhere? 

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; I have faith...and life in Jesus....you have nihilism and death in Satan....I'll take faith.

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder ; I have faith...and life in Jesus....you have nihilism and death in Satan....I'll take faith.

Self willed ignorance. A common theme amongst the bigoted cult of Christianity. Proud of you faith, right?

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; No, a radically changed life as a result of faith in Jesus as Messiah.

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder ; No, a radically changed life as a result of faith in Jesus as Messiah.

Right, the day you turned off you brain for fairytales. 

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; No, the day I read the Scriptures for myself...Jesus changed my life, forever.

Factfinder

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

@Factfinder ; No, the day I read the Scriptures for myself...Jesus changed my life, forever.

Right, the day you turned off you brain for fairytales.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; Elohim is sovereign...He is creator of all life and possesses dominion over all life and is free to do with life as HE so CHOOSES....you, on the other hand, don't possess dominion over life and when you advocate for the death of babies in the womb...you have the blood of innocence upon you and you will pay a hefty price for your infidelity.

RickeyHoltsclaw

@Factfinder ; Actually, the day I humbled myself before Jesus was the Day I found life.

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw

YOUR RUNAWAY QUOTE "AGAIN" TO MY POSTS ABOUT YOUR SERIAL BABY KILLER JESUS!: @21CenturyIconoclast ; "I see no rebuttable premise in your comment...why obfuscate...you lack the intellect to provide a debatable premise?"

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  RICKEYHOLTSCLAW IS RUNNING AWAY FROM HIS BIBLE AGAIN, LOL!  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Rickey, how embarrassing do you want to get this time in front of the membership by using your once again NON-SEQUITUR quote above, where are you really that SCARED again to at least "try" to do what your baby and infant killer Jesus as god tells you to do, and that is to DEFEND your Christianity as shown in the verse below?

"But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect," (1 Peter 3:15)

JESUS, WE KNOW YOU ARE WATCHING RICKEYHOLTSCLAW (HEBREWS 4:13) NOT DEFEND THE FAITH, AND HE WILL PAY UPON JUDGMENT DAY, PRAISE YOUR REVENGE UPON THIS TERRIBLE EXAMPLE OF A CHRISTIAN!

Rickey, we understand that you accept the FACT that Atheists own your primitive Christianity and your feeble posts of same, and at times, you just can't defend it when we bring certain aspects of disturbing verses to to the forefront, we get it!  BUT JESUS DOESN'T as shown in 1 Peter 3:15!!!!

Therefore, here are the links AGAIN that you run from and to make Jesus happy, you are to address them, get it BIBLE FOOL?:

https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182646/#Comment_182646
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182647/#Comment_182647
https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182648/#Comment_182648




RICKEY AT THIS TIME IN RUNNING AWAY FROM BIBLE VERSES WHICH IS BLASPHEME!:



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21CenturyIconoclast

@Factfinder, RickeyHoltsclaw 


Factfinder,

Have you ever seen such a pseudo-christian RUNAWAY from disturbing JUDEO-Christian bible verses in this Religion Forum, and other forums as well, than the "Bible Dunce RickeyHoltsClaw?"

At least in other Religion Forums, the Bronze and Iron Age thinking pseudo-christians at least "try" and defend their baby and infant killer Jesus as god, and lose with us nonetheless, but poor Rickey doesn't even" try" to defend certain abhorred bible verses, other than to RUN AWAY FROM THEM!

Can you imagine Rickey's friends and family that follow him upon this forum, where they can actually see in how bible ignorant he truly is, where I am sure their scuttlebutt between them is being embarrassed for the poor bible fool Rickey is running rampant amongst them!  LOL!



HOW MUCH EGG UPON RICKEY'S FACE CAN HE TAKE IN FRONT OF THE MEMBERSHIP?!




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Factfinder

@21CenturyIconoclast

Check this out, ricky wants to sue me for exposing him as the cowardly fraud that he is...https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182840/#Comment_182840

21CenturyIconoclast

@Factfinder,  RickeyHoltsclaw

YOUR QUOTE RELATING TO THE PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN RUNAWAY RICKEYHOLTSCLAW: "Check this out, ricky wants to sue me for exposing him as the cowardly fraud that he is"...https://www.debateisland.com/discussion/comment/182840/#Comment_182840

It's just another "diversionary tactic" to deflect from your posts in you making Rickey the Bible fool that he is!


IN THE FOLLOWING PROPOSITIONS, RICKEYHOLTSCLAW IS VIOLATING JESUS' DIRECT WORDS WITHIN THE BIBLE!

1. As is shown, Rickey hasn't addressed my post shown above where he is RUNNING AWAY from 3 posts that I have made to this BIBLE DUNCE!
What is so sorry, is that his mental state doesn't have the reasoning to feel embarrassed over this fact because he is supposed to defend his faith as none other than Jesus states herewith: 

"We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ," (2 Corinthians 10:5) 



2. RickeyHoltsClaw is pissing on Jesus' face by not following his DIRECT WORDS as shown below, because we are disbelievers of his primitive Bronze and Iron Age thinking Christianity, therefore he is not to engage with us whatsoever in this Religion Forum!

"Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? (2 Corinthians 6:14)

"If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting" (2 John 1:10)

3. Regarding Rickey's belief in Jesus, can you imagine in what his serial killer Jesus of infants and suckling babies is thinking about Rickey since he sees him outright breaking his rules as shown above?

"Nothing in all creation is hidden from God. Everything is naked and exposed before his eyes, and he is the one to whom we are accountable." (Hebrews 4:13) 



 4.  RickeyHoltsClaw as shown above, is the biggest pseudo-christian HYPOCRITE known to this Religion Forum, bar none, and where his Jesus HATES HYPOCRITES as shown in the verse below: "You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said: “‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men." (Matthew 15:7-9)


Factfinder, look at all of the ungodly acts shown above that RickeyHoltsClaw is violating against his Jesus, and he wants to call himself a Christian? NO FU*KING WAY!  

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RickeyHoltsclaw

@21CenturyIconoclast ; Is there a debatable premise in your comment? Instead of publishing links...why not provide a premise that is rebuttable?

21CenturyIconoclast

@RickeyHoltsclaw, Factfinder


RICKEYHOLTSCLAW'S LITTLE EX-COP EXCUSE "AGAIN" TO RUN AWAY FROM MY PREVIOUS 3 POST/LINKS!:  "@21CenturyIconoclast ; "Is there a debatable premise in your comment? Instead of publishing links...why not provide a premise that is rebuttable? 

HELLO BIBLE RUNAWAY FOOL!  There was a debatable premise in the initial posts links to begin with that you are still running away from as the membership and JESUS watches you embarrassingly do at your expense again!  Don't you realize that the membership is watching you fumble, muck up and flub said INITIAL POSTS in not addressing them, BUT ONLY TO RUN AWAY FROM THEM AND HIDE!


Tell the membership in what part of this Jesus inspired verse don't you understand where you are supposed to defend your serial killer Jesus' faith:

"We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ," (2 Corinthians 10:5) 


Because you are so god-damned bible DUMB, and a runaway from same, I have other VERY WELL KNOWN ATHEISTS THAT WOULD MAKE SHORT WORK WITH YOU, visiting this forum to show them that the pseudo-christians on their Religion Forums are not even close to being as bible inept and a SCARDY CAT to address disturbing bible passages, as you are as RickeyHoltClaw!  LOL!!!  They laugh!




RUN RICKEY, RUN AWAY FROM YOUR JESUS' INSPIRED WORDS, RUN!!! 





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Alter2Ego

RickeyHoltsclaw said:

Concerning the Anti-Trinity Religionist' who professes to be a Christian but unfortunately exists in deadly deception...know this...

First of all, 

Jesus has clearly articulated that Elohim (Genesis 1:1) is One-Deity expressed in Three-distinct Persons identified as Father, Son, Spirit (Matthew 28:19; John 14:6; John 10:28-30) and these Three are coequal concerning all Deific attributes.

RickeyHoltsclaw:

None of the scriptures in your "First of all" paragraph say anything about "Three-distinct Persons identified as Father, Son, Spirit," as you claim.  Genesis 1:1 simply says:  "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."  That's hardly a declaration about the Almighty God being three distinct persons.

At Matthew 28:19, Jesus Christ instructed his disciples as follows: 

"Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,"

The mere mentioning of three entities within a sentence does not equate to them being the same god.  That's like you mentioning yourself, your biological father, and something your father possesses/owns and then declaring the three of you are a single human being.  What sense does that make? 

FYI:  the context to Matthew 28:19 indicates Jesus was not talking about being part of a Trinity.  (Context refers to surrounding words, verses, and/or chapters.)  I will be more than happy to direct you to the context.

At John 14:6, Jesus indicated that he is Mediator.  He said nothing resembling "I am God."  Notice the bolded words within the quoted scripture below.

"Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

The words "except through me" is the language of a Mediator (a person who is a go-between' that is, a person who attempts to make people involved in a conflict come to an agreement).  There is scripture in the Bible that even uses the word "Mediator" and then ascribes that title to Jesus Christ.  I will be more than happy to direct you to the scripture where that is specifically stated.

John 10:30 is another familiar verse that Trinitarians latch onto, but that verse does not mean what Trinitarians think it means.

"{28} I give them everlasting life, and they will by no means ever be destroyed, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. {29} What my Father has given me is something greater than all other things, and no one can snatch them out of the hand of the Father.  {30}  I and the Father are one.” (John 10:28-30)

You are ignoring the context again, just like you did at Matthew 28:19.  John 10:30 is not saying that Jesus and Jehovah are literally one god. The context (surrounding words, verses, and/or chapters) helps the reader understand that Jesus was referring to unity of purpose.  If you want me to show you the context, let me know.

Alter2Ego

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May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth. (Psalm 83:18)