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The term undocumented citizen should not be used. First, they are not true 'citizens' if they entered unlawfully. They are technically invaders. Further, undocumented makes it sound like there was some filing mix up. No, most adults who entered the country unlawfully did so intentionally. The terms unlawful entrant or illegal immigrant are more appropriate, but are not used by the left because they do not want the focus on their illegal activity.
Often supporters of unlawful entry into the US will say that illegal entrants are less likely to commit crimes. This is an obvious lie. The studies they use include legal immigrants. The interests of legal immigrants is very different than illegal ones. The fact is
Most illegal aliens routinely commit felonies
Now why would the Democrat party, minimize the felony crime aspect of sex trafficking children into the US? Don't bother answering Dreamer. Its a rhetorical question. The pro-pedophile wing of the Democrat party needs to get fresh meat somewhere.
I am sure most unlawful entrants come to the US for a better life. The US provides opportunities that their socialist countries can't give them. They are in genera hard workers. The issue is not this, but that they have entered illegally and have committed felonies to remain in the US.
Further, illegal workers negatively impact the wages of low skilled workers, especially young workers and Blacks. See
The Impact of Illegal Immigration on the Wages and Employment Opportunities of Black Workers
The testimony provided, on average, claimed that illegal labor reduced the average annual wages of a Black worker by between $1,000 - $2,000 dollars a year. The reason is that in many cases low skilled workers were in direct competition for the same jobs and in many instances, those who could speak Spanish were more desirable because they could communicate with other illegal laborers on their crew.
When illegal labor is not available then wages for legal workers often increases. As reported in Politico:
@Dreamer, I hope you don't support illegal labor. If so know that you are supporting the oppressor, and hurting the victims of illegal labor. Somebody's lower wage is always somebody else's higher profit. Immigration redistributes wealth from those who compete with immigrants to those who use immigrants—from the employee to the employer.
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Rising National Debt.
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The so called filing Titled undocumented citizen as the describing of a grievance of person who is in fact documented by criminal law being the less perfect law had foolishly been made suspected criminal. The person male, female, adult, or child has really had a connection to American United State Constitutional Right all along. This titling set by such right comming by way of unbroken 1st Amendment right as unauthorized diplomate of a foreign nation as the adults who pass across the Mexican American border, or any border made by America and some other place other. Are still citizens of their own Country even when standing surrounded by American soil as they have passed a fence not the limits of right and wrong. The small space they stand over is a temporary embassy in accordance to their consitutional state of the union..
Dreamer the writers who are connected to the links are in the process of p[racticing law not unconfirmed Presidents men atempting preservation of United States Constitutional Right for all men created equal by their creator. American States of Law by holding all men not equal in the form of a written criminal law in some way are those who are responsible for the documentation of the immergants. The establishment to justice made, or the establishment of justice that can be uncovered is the word President, or the word Ambassador. Are clearly not titles of crime and criminals but a list of truths that can be held self-evident.
Grievance Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
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Determining the economic benefit of those in the country illegally is both difficult and subjective. Why is it difficult? Well, because their labor is illegal, there aren't accurate records kept. Its hard to know specifically how much child sex traffickers are making on selling children who have been brought into the country illegally. How do you determine how much mules make and contribute to the US economy in bringing illegal people into the country? Since unlawful entrants are often paid under the table, its hard to know the extent of their income and purchases. If you don't know exactly who is a lawful worker and who isn't, it also makes it difficult to track economic costs. For example, prison costs. Most prisoners who are in the country illegally do not inform the authorities of their illegal status. Same goes for education, unpaid emergency room visits, etc. Since 75% of illegal laborers have fraudulent green cards or SS cards, it is even difficult to know with certainty how much social services are being used. So guestimates are made.
The second thing to keep in mind, is that depending on the political agenda of the group or person doing the calculating, certain items may be overstated, or more likely omitted from consideration. For examples, those who support illegal labor will claim that illegal laborers add to the economy and are a benefit. There is some truth to this if you exclude first generation illegal workers-p and again all paid work done by someone in the country unlawfully is a crime.. However, as New York City, LA, and now San Francisco are now telling us, there are lots of costs for having unlawful entrants - educational costs, charity, policing, and the redistribution of wealth away from legal workers - which then increases their dependency on social services. Cato Institute estimated the economic cost of illegal immigrants to be about a 55 billion a year - that means the costs of illegal labor are greater than the benefits by 55 billion a year. That includes the estimated 11 million who pay income and other taxes. as part of the calculation.
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Determining the economic benefit of those in the country illegally is both difficult and subjective
I would like to say that is nonsense undocumented workers are documented by criminal law broken as they cross into America. There is no truth in what you say just_sayin. The support given by an ever growing national debt which return as pay for those people who pass law school and bar exam, for many people these same people who do not serve the United States Constitutional Right reap great deal of money from the United States Constitutional sacrifice. This process would means paycheck, unnecessary court backlog as well as growing GDP for taxation purposes. It is no wonder executive office basic in attention of legal teams a criminal law to advance in politics .
U.S. Immigration Laws and Enforcement | U.S. GAOImmigration Lawyer | NZ Visas | Auckland
A person who enters America by a border is an ambassador of the nation they came from. Constitutionally and that nation recognizes that person or they do not as their ambassador. If that nation does not recognize an official assignment of the ambassadorship, they have awarded the traveler they the travelers only need sent back it is a right not crime to seek to be an ambassador to America there is no presumption of innocence which needs to wait for a trial. There is not regulation body which need wait for an election and an executive order. Particularly from men who are in no way a President. Voters can be wrong as a united state at a United State of Constitutional Right. It is that simple. It is the immigrants United States Constitutional Right, the men who are by American Declaration of Independence included in the process of law created equal without crimes to all men by their creator. These men to can be a President of the United States Constitutional right, It may come as a surprise but by criminal legal interpretation of is a President not allowed to serve in the Oval office, Executive officer, and President all by vote. With some work and the process of ratification a women as Presadera can also be held as created equal outside of criminal law completely by a grievance title such as Presadera.
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Progress can be made by doing something as simple as showing people that Pi and Time are both just measurements of a circle’s circumference. Meaning any changes made in General or Special relativity the calculation of a difference is nothing more than differences made when two clocks come together and are never synchronized. Einstein believed there is a simple explanation for everything if you can find it.
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The term "undocumented citizen" appears to be an oxymoron.
Undocumented citizen is historically connected wording to fascism. History described a group of people became undocumented citizens. It is the next step in Constitutional law that is legislated with only criminal laws and without United States Constitutional Right. A new document becomes a necessity by legislation of criminal law. Much like a fire-arm mis targeted to be a crime, not the acts of harming with a gun itself. This means that everyone who had been a legal citizen before the legislation of the written law instantly lacking all proper documents and no longer is a citizen of the Nation.
What is the economic effect of the moving worker. A person who travles from state of law to state of law guided by different job titles, different job requirements, and rates of pay.
What differentiates a citizen from a non-citizen of a country is precisely the official recognition or lack of thereof of the government as the individual being represented by it
What makes a person a citizen and what makes a person a non-citizen is connected to the nation’s laws. Often many people are not represented by Congress, Senate, or the oval office they are still a citizen of the United States of America. The point is The American citizen serves, protects, and preserve United States Constitution and our Constitution of consolidated states the job requirements around a search for a more perfect union with established justice, a means to ensure tranquility and a very few other strung together rights.
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The term undocumented seeks to minimize the unlawful nature of the entrant's presence in the country. 'Undocumented' workers are not legally allowed to work in the US. Supporting their presence and work is a pro-crime position. Further, as I pointed out, even extreme left wing organizations such as La Raza and the LA Times openly admit that about 75% of adult unlawful entrants have have illegally obtained SS cards or green cards. It is a crime to engage SS ID theft or fraudulently obtain a green card. Unlawful entrants then often engage in fraud, forgery, perjury, when they use these fake IDs to fill out an I-9 form, rent an apartment, buy a car, get a job, or open a bank account - all of those actions are felonies by the way, if you use stolen or fake ID. So, if you support illegal labor, then you support the commission of felonies by those who entered the country unlawfully and are breaking the law when they work a job. Is it fair to prosecute legal residents for committing similar felonies related to ID theft, fraud, forgery, and perjury, but not those who entered the country unlawfully? Please answer that question.
You have not addressed why it is just to support illegal labor, when it negatively impacts low skilled legal laborers. Why is it OK to take $1,000 - $2,000 out of Black man's wallet every year so someone can work illegally in the US? Why is it OK to enable companies to not pay poor legal workers what they would if illegal labor was not available? From my position it seems as if you have incorrectly identified who is the oppressor and who is the victim. Explain to me how the one who takes work from legal workers, and who entered the country illegally, and who routinely commits felonies of ID theft, fraud, forgery, and perjury is the victim?
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Argument Topic: Tax cuts for the rich could explain the rising national debt.
Funny thing about that connection to established justice there have been super rich, no taxes for anyone, and no national debt all at the same time in America. Could explain...I didn't know that the undocumented people moving between coutries and states had been very rich and not been paying some kind of taxes... once here.
Just for the fact immigration is not the United State Constitutional right broken by those crossing the United States border. Immigration law is criminal law. The American Constitutional issue is people who are diplomats of a foreign nation our entering America without health records, prior immunization, or proof of being an ambassador sent from their country. These are all this an American is expect to have when moving from state to state or traveling out of the country. The one such connection to established justice and ambassadorship can be seen as a up to date national passport. The point is some states are discriminating against American's and civil litigation may be the only way to stop the discrimination against them. The official testimony of representatives from many of these states have claims before United States Constitutional right as law that the civil lawsuits are the more perfect union with established justice on record.
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YOU called a group I referenced, which I can't find the reference for them on this thread, until you mention them, - a group that was citing a non-partisan group's statistics, a hate group. You ignored the Human rights group, and Obama's own commission on Civil rights which found the same thing. Then, after fabricating a quote from a group I hadn't mentioned, you had the gall to be upset when I pointed out that the SPLC is not an objective group that labels others, but has lost multiple defamation lawsuits for its intentional false labeling Christian groups as hate groups. The SPLC is a extremist left-wing group that has openly targeted Christian groups in its campaign of hate, that's just a fact. You chose to ignore the substance of my argument on unlawful entry into the US.
You ignored the arguments about how unlawful entrants are taking jobs from low skilled legal workers and how most have committed felonies involving ID theft, fraud, forgery and perjury to live and work in the US. Why don't you address those issues? Why is it OK to take $1,000 - $2,000 out of Black man's wallet every year so someone can work illegally in the US? Why is it OK to enable companies to not pay poor legal workers what they would if illegal labor was not available? Can you explain to me how the one who takes work from legal workers, and who entered the country illegally, and who routinely commits felonies of ID theft, fraud, forgery, and perjury is the victim?
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https://www.uschamber.com/workforce/understanding-americas-labor-shortage-the-most-impacted-industries
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Personally, I would support a more generous worker permit program that would allow migrants to work legally in the US without any promise of citizenship. This would immediately bring lots of unlawful entrants out of the shadows and allow them many work protections they don't have now. For that to make sense though, the number of illegal workers entering the country unlawfully has to be greatly reduced, or legal workers will still be adversely impacted.
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Most illegal aliens routinely commit felonies
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Is it fair to those who came to the US legally, and had to wait and pay fees to enter the country, when those who committed crimes to enter the US get in before them? I wonder if your sense of justice is broken. You seem to think that some felonies are good felonies, and that those who committed these felonies are good citizens. Would you think that a legal citizen who committed ID theft, fraud, forgery, or perjury was a good citizen? Just asking
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From the San Diego Reader,
The Myth of Illegal Immigration and Food Prices
Shouldn't low skilled workers and excons, who have a hard time finding work, get paid what they are worth? Why the hate for excons who just want to show they have changed and that they will work hard and move up the economic ladder? Cheap labor doesn't help low skilled workers, it helps companies hiring illegal labor.
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I think you will have a hard time arguing with the facts I've presented. First, they are the same facts cited by pro-illegal labor groups like La Raza. They cite the SS and IRS numbers of fraudulent SS numbers as evidence that illegal laborers are contributing into the system. Now you can't say, the numbers are true if cited by a group who supports my point, and at the same time argue, that the same numbers are wrong because they are cited by someone who doesn't support your position.
The claims about 75% of adult illegal workers routinely committing felonies is pretty solid also. If you disagree with that, then explain how someone working illegally in the US is able to rent an apartment with a lease, buy or lease a car, open a bank account, fill out an I-9 form or e-verify form without committing felonies such as fraud, forgery, ID theft, or perjury? I'm not arguing that they are prosecuted for these crimes, I'm just pointing out that this is routinely happening. Tell me honestly, how do you think they obtain those things in the US without using fraudulent ID? I'm genuinely curious. Why would they go through extra layers of work when they can buy a green card or SS card outside of a 7-11 for $160 bucks?
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Politifact claimed 'Undocumented immigrants less likely to commit crimes than U.S. citizens', but then used studies about legal immigrants. That's a bait and switch tactic that is unethical. Shame on you!
At least you are admitting that those who entered the country illegally have committed crimes and often continue to do so in order to remain here. I just wish you could see your 'well the felonies I support are good felonies' argument for the support of criminal activity that it is.
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At least you are admitting that those who entered the country illegally have committed crimes and often continue to do so in order to remain here.
I noticed a trend, what is the United States Constitutional Right given for entering the Country?
By Illegal I take it you are only speaking of the people who have been arrested convicted sent back and have returned to the U.S.A?
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So the criminal code as law says a baby can be illegal depending on where it is born according to criminal law. I am not saying this to play dumb I know and understand what the powers of interpretation of law might translate the law to say one way or the others. The legal argument still falls on what does the American Constitutional United state of right as law say in comparison to the criminal law translation? It states as truth that the citizen of the mother maters if the child can be an American citizen or not. The United States Constitution does have some rights already written about the grievance. However an obstacle is that all women are not created equal by a declaration of Independence only an alibi of sexual discrimination was given not to hold the all equal and give women a free pass.
Of course it is this kind of issue that warrants an executive order to ensure women can in fact vote as a united State as the Amendment which allows a female to vote is conditional upon legal findings. A women and man are both authorized points of border entry into America acording to law. Consitutional law that is written as right without crime.
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The topic which was raised by Dreamer is important and worth thinking. So I want to present my opinion regarding the topic a few days later.
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These days some of the wealthy countries like the U.S. and Japan are facing national debt. Not only the top management of big business but wealthy people of those countries are accumulating a large amount of money.
So it is urgently required to impose higher taxes among them. This might be helpful to reduce national debt.
However, unfortunately in the U.S. lobbyists play an important role to avert imposing higher taxes for them.
They are exerting an enormous influence in the national congress.
But U.S. government should raise tax rate to vitalize national economy and keep stable finance of the government.
Tax must be used for many immigrant people. The important thing is that the U.S. government should spend much money on educating and job training for younger people coming into the country as immigrants not spending on
military expenditures for Ukraine and Israeli.
This is important to vitalize the U.S. economy and society because the aging of the work-force in many industries
is very rapidly progressing.
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Raising taxes will not have the result you intend. Instead, people will move their money to places where greedy pirates can't take it away.
If you care about immigration, then you have to recognize the dire economic impact that losing immigrants to America has on other countries incomes. It severely reduces them. Causing even more suffering there. You don't seem to care about those poor people stuck in those countries. Legal immigrants are always welcome, but illegal labor hurts, legal workers by reducing low skilled workers wages. Is that just? Maybe in pirate land it is, but not in places that value justice.
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Many Democrats are now calling for stricter border enforcement due to the economic impact of illegal labor on their city's economy. Often those who support illegal labor fail to recognize that illegal labor harms low skilled legal workers in the US. According to Obama's Civil Rights Commission on Illegal Immigration, illegal labor costs the average Black worker between $1,000 - $2,000 a year in reduced wages. Illegal labor contributes to higher Black unemployment rates. And according to Democrats, it increases social spending costs.
Another aspect that is often ignored by pro-illegal labor is the economic impact on the countries from where the unlawful entrants have come. As they leave their home countries, they reduce the economies there, which further makes the conditions in these socialist countries worst.
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Detailed Report
Reasoning: Anti-Immigration Propaganda, Misleading ClaimsBias Rating: EXTREME RIGHT
Factual Reporting: LOW"
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The other day you literally accused the Moms of Liberty of being a hate group due to proven anti-Christian slandering SPLC. Did you read their 'hate' report on the group? The extent of their misconduct was waiting their turn at PTA meetings and trying to get conservatives elected to school boards. Hardly, conducting 480 riots in the summer of 2020 as BLM did. This Potemkin group, SPLC, didn't name BLM a hate group after 480 riots where 25 people were killed, thousands of buildings were damaged, and billions in damage were done. That seems a whole lot more nefarious than waiting your turn to speak at a PTA meeting. You are starting to beclown yourself with your ad hominem arguments.
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I just want to point out that by asigning a State or Federal crime to a person who is not even a citesen of the country yet you are devoting all kinds of Federal and State tax money to be spent on them before they ever get here.
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Okay, it is wrong of me or others as a United State of law to address immagrants who cross a State border the same way and consistancy that we treat very young children who cross a Fedreal border all over the country. Great thing about holding a state of the union with United States Constitutional Right and established justice, sometimes it is the better thing to be. " Wrong."
no crime is committed until they CROSS THE BORDER.
The criminal law written can be a crime, ‘could ' that is not my point I’m trying to make. " John, no crime is committed until they cross the border. " The crime begins as soon as the person plans to not follow a United States Constitutional right that does not exist on how to enter a work area. It is not provable till a crossing takes place.
Therefore money spent on securing the border is not spent on a crime, but to prevent them.
If it is not a crime and a United States Constitutional right did not obey a person can simple be sent back. This process puts Americans to work as clerks, transport and record keeping not twenty lawyers do redundant work.
More accurately money is spent on border security, which any sovereign nation has a right to do.
I do not know if you understand this by the obligation of the Federal Government is to establish a state of the union with international issues, whenever possible with United States Constitutional right which is explained best way to preserve integrity of its own borders with foreign nations together with the States. Two completely different things. I find it funny that the word Sovereign Nation is used a word inherited from England.
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