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Once again, maxx, you seem to possess this uncanny ability to read what you want to believe from words that I write, which were never intended to be interpreted in the way you wish. Your contention was, that all humans are aggressive and that explained why wars will always occur. I claimed that while humans may have been genetically very aggressive, evolution has been progressively genetically eradicating the most aggressive males to the point where today, most people are not aggressive at all. Most people today (except HAMAS) prefer to live in peaceful communities where violence within the communities is normally proscribed behaviour, and where only select members are permitted to use violence within legally allowed circumstances. Children are taught from the age of two that they are not the center of the universe and that they must control their natural desire to be selfish and to moderate their behaviour the benefit of the groups to which they belong.
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Muslims think exactly the same way that you do. Allah and his Prophet has ordained that Islam is perfect and can never be changed. Those that criticise Islam should be murdered.. Women are inferiors who must be controlled by men. Non Muslims are "vile" and sub human who must be terrorized and forced by the armies of Allah to either convert to Islam, or be mutilated and murdered, State and religion are inseparable. . Raped women should be punished. God said it so it is the Absolute Truth, carved in stone.
Just-sayin quote So if there is a law by a group that violates what the ultimate lawgiver says, its still an immoral law.
You and ISIS, Al Qaida, the Muslim Brotherhood, and HAMAS seem to think identically.
Just sayin quote Tell me, when a political party wins control of who makes the laws and they pass a law you do not agree with - are you immoral for rejecting the main group's morality?
That depends upon context. If the political party is totalitarian, then they have no legitimacy at all. If they are part of a democracy, then majority wins, although some majorities are very slim, so in the case of far reaching legislation which seriously affects a minority, and hardly affects the slim majority, then who is morally right or morally wrong can be a difficult decision.
Just-sayin quote it would seem like you are - if you believe the group decides what is right and wrong.
That is the democratic way. It seems to work a lot better than in societies where a bunch of elites find that religious justification for their totalitarian regimes is very advantageous.
Just-sayin quote If good and evil are determined by the group, why do you resist what the group wants? They have determined for you what is good and evil, right?
As a luckless, voteless, young 18 year old man in danger of being conscripted to fight in the Vietnam war that I did not believe in, (voting age ion Australia in 1970 was 21) I thought it was immoral for the majority to deny me a vote, while claiming it had an electoral mandate to send me off to war, (No conscription without representation!) the young men of my generation yelled. So, I did not consider that the majority, who were not effected by the war at all, had any mandate to claim that their version of right and wrong were valid in any way..
And that, my dear "just-sayin", included the churches who backed the war as some sort of religious crusade against communism. Which led to the Aussie ditty of........
"Archbishop and Cardinal crusade against the "cong"
Now that God's on our side, we can do no wrong"
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URGENT PLEA VILLAGE MISSING THIS TWAT BELOW
PLEASE HELP .......IF ANYONE SEES THIS GREASY HAIRED , BEER BELLIED ,4 EYED TWAT WANDERING ABOUT RING THE AUTHORITIES IMMEDIATELY , HES A VILLAGE ID-OT WHO HAS BEEN MISSING FOR SOME TIME .......IT WALKS ON ALL FOURS AND HAS THE IQ OF A CABBAGE.....IT RESPONDS TO WHISTLES AND GENTLE COOING SOUNDS.
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A natural selfish tendency to stick to your side, even when you know it is wrong.
That love created tendency creates a hate bias to all that might jeopardize that which is loved.
Ones side in this case.
No one want to be seen as a traitor or heretic to their side.
Even being a Loyal Heretic like a Gnostic Christian is a tough go at times.
Solution.
The right wing has to stop hating their own bloodlines and remember their first principle of all of us being born in God's image.
The LGBTQ+ haters have to stop hating God's image and likeness, and that all souls are created perfect.
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War is the epitome of entertainment.
Men love to see the killer instinct and love of war pop out in their children.
Watch any man watching his child play. His eyes shine the most when his child gives instead of gets.
Humans are a hierarchic, biological species that has a leader or Alpha.
We earn that position, in part, by physical prowess as far as our instincts know.
We are created to compete, even to the point of war and death.
We should not change in other than controlling ourselves better in war, now that we can self destruct with nuclear M.A.D.
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Oh, I dunno. Jack/excon says that he is a Jew and he supports HAMAS. Treason is now fashionable in the western world today. It is hip.
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Do you have an argument against the premise?
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No. My opinion is that the idea that some god created the entire universe is just so silly, it is beyond words. But I realise that some people have a deep compulsive psychological need to think that there is some sort of father figure watching over them, and that if they believe that, then somehow their conscious mind will live on into infinity after their body dies. I don't usually bother contributing on religious debates, but business on Debate Island is a bit slow at the moment, so I could not resist coming into this debate to have a bit of fun.
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Well when I talk to great minds I will, dicuss ideas , it's remarkable you come on to support the bible thumping bigot Maxx who once issued death threats on here all because he flies into a rage when asked to answer questions, you two are well matched.
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A god would not be able to create an exclusively good Universe for it would not make sense to call it "good" due to there not being anything to compare it to. There is no satiety without hunger, no pleasure without pain, no happiness without sadness, no victory without loss.
Then again, the idea of "god" itself makes little sense. When humans did not know how to explain lightning, they used to attribute it to a god (Zeus, Perun, Jupiter, etc.). Then they learned a bit of electrodynamics and the need of these gods fell off - now they could not explain the Universe, so they decided to attribute that to the "uber-god". One day they will be able to explain the origin of the Universe, and then they will talk about the next iteration of "godhood": the being that made the laws which made the emergence of the Universe possible. And so on and so on. Always substituting ignorance with "god".
Perhaps "god" should be defined in the dictionary as "imaginary creature one hides behind when refusing to admit their ignorance"?
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To war as entertainment, check Movie Revues to know otherwise.
Watch this as well.
(23) Blood Meridian - The Judge on War ("War is God") - Cormac McCarthy - YouTube
To your last. If war is not he epitome of drama to us, what is?
At the same time, know why we cannot live well without it.
Candide - The best of all possible worlds (Groves/Chenoweth/Allen/Blumenkrantz/LaManna) (youtube.com)
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Learn how to quote, please, so that I can stop having to re-read. Try to follow a logic trail instead of this.
Quote where I said the solution was political. That I could not find.
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Be I in an Atheist, Believer, --- or In Between or way out of there Camp, --- I have not seen or had any good arguments in any Camp in a long time.
By good I mean when I, or someone else I support loses an argument, and shares his or her new knowledge/enlightenment.
The good of the one can effect the good of the many when a new insight is born.
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I believe in supporting rooky apologists against little minds, and reminding the without the Shaman beside King, none of us would be here.
Take me on on some time when I say something pro about religions and see who has what.
Where have you seen me fly into a rage, ?
Let's try low before going high. with that challenge for you to put your honesty where your words are.
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It makes perfect sense, if defined as a mystery and the search for the best rules and laws to live by.
You are a dualist and thus think in a body/spirit or body/soul way. Right?
If so, it should be easy to see your soul as God as it is seat of your consciousness, which is the only place God or a God concept can exist. We all have a soul/God and Gnostic Christians call that "I am', and mean ourselves.
When born, your DNA told you you were the best of physical breed and to seek to rule as King.
When born, your spirit told you you were the best of breed and to seek to rule as God.
We are created to seek our best end of both physical and spiritual realms.
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I know how I was created: it was a product of hot sex between my parents and subsequent biological processes. That is how every human being that has ever existed was created. Every mammal in general. Every living being that sexually reproduces. Just like herons do not bring us from the sky, "god" does not inhabit anything inside us.
Again, I think that this idea of "god" is just a placeholder for "I do not know how X works". Humans have not figured out how consciousness works exactly, so they attribute it to some god-given soul. It is much more likely that it is yet another question of physics that will be answered one day - or, perhaps, the answer will be that it is not something that can be studied in a meaningful way and, therefore, is to become solely a part of the philosophical domain. There is no need to bring in an imaginary being to explain the mystery away, just like there is no need to bring in Poseidon to explain some of the strange hydrodynamical phenomena away.
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Humans have not figured out how consciousness works exactly, so they attribute it to some god-given soul. It is much more likely that it is yet another question of physics that will be answered one day - or, perhaps, the answer will be that it is not something that can be studied in a meaningful way and, therefore, is to become solely a part of the philosophical domain.
This is exactly like saying 'science says it doesn't know, but trust me, science knows'. I saw recently where the Nobel Prize winner in cosmology and quantum mechanics Roger Penrose admitted that science can't explain consciousness. If a person of faith said something like 'well, only God knows' - people would call it out as a God of the gaps argument. However, others think when they appeal to an all powerful and all knowing science that we should accept this irrational and illogical conclusion. If science has already said it doesn't know, then it doesn't know. If is just unrealistic faith in science that would then claim that it still has the answer.
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That is not what the sentence says. Not sure why people who do not speak English routinely go to English-speaking forums to argue about something... I do not speak Chinese and I do not go to Chinese-speaking forums to argue anything, do I?
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Got that right. I figured that out within a few posts. My Troll list of low IQ people who can not debate their way out of a wet paper bag, and who I do not respond to, (unless I just feel like giving them a kick) is,....
Dee (at the top of the list, nice one, Dee), Barnadot, and Jack/excon. Piloteer and John Smith are also on my list, but thankfully, they have slunk away to troll somewhere else. Openminded (a misnomer if ever there was one) seems to be trying his utmost to get on my troll list, too. On my "Smart but dishonest" list is MayCaesar, and a brand new new entry, ZeusAries42.
John-C-84 I don't respond to either. Not because he is in any way dishonest or abusive, but because I usually can not understand even a single sentence he writes, I am sure that he is John Fetterman.
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You should set up a little club with you and Maxx as its leaders where you could sustain each other by talking about everyone who has whipped you both in debate epwhich seems anever increasingly long list.
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You have no " decent " debates with anyone you fly into a rage when questioned you and fellow racist Bogend are well suited.......get a room.
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War is our epitome of drama. If you have something else in mind, then put it instead of a plain old denial.
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Keep up the stuff and I will know to ignore your sorry dumb .
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Thanks for the rather useless chat.
Done here.
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well, i guess you are attempting to give dee a run for the next troll award.
That award is yours you never let up on the constant stalking and trolling , your new best buddy Bogend is a hate filled racist and you follow him around like a lap dog.
Calling someone dumb is not how to debate,
Yet you issusing death threats is ..........you're a lunatic.
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Bye ,Bye tubby .....leave the kids alone......
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Multiple times when things are brought up that science can't explain, you have appealed to science saying something like 'one day science will explain it' - this is indeed a science of the gaps defense. Science can't explain it, and it is a faith claim to say science will know the answer in the future.
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My point is, when I cannot understand what someone is saying, I do not respond to them. I am not sure what causes you to behave otherwise. You literally post my quote, then claim that it says something entirely different from what it says. I have not "said science will know the answer in the future", and my quote (which you even highlighted) suggests that the exact opposite may be the case.
There is a list of people on this website who do not bother try to understand what they read and just react to a couple of keywords. Their intellectual laziness is puzzling to me. Why come to a debate website if you do not intend on understanding arguments? It is like you have a few stock responses in your database, and whenever you see someone saying something you disagree with, you choose the one that seems to fit the most and post it.
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Fat chance.
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