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Why are you still using it again?
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2. Interesting how you don't mention that standing water cannot curve. I guess you agree with me.
If you understand how water works and the charateristics of a sphere, then we know that rivers must constantly flow uphill, getting higher and higher, but we know that this is completely impossible.
https://i.imgur.com/ewLBM1u.png
3. I said "Most" flights, not all of them.
4. I already showed NASA admitting to faking images. Would you like to provide me the images from other agencies?
5. Yeah, I noticed I left that out on accident. Hold on.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMJEGjMR9YUv8g6cT5mVrbOCpYi2AtKa1Ty4gFdkRsDueZHhZPWDnMZv6NFP3nXPg?key=TFQwb2ZDOVlwOTZ1MWJraThnSHI4ZjNwRDlfeWpR
6. The article is NASA literally admitting to faking images. Yes, I linked NASA admitting to faking images. I'm confused, are you claiming that NASA cannot be deceiving everyone because they admitted to deception in an article?
7. View inserted images
8. I explained if you have seen a mirage, you know it cannot possibility be a mirage. The explanation is simple, the heat from the water is creating a mirage effect.
You went way too easy on me.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
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1.) isn’t an argument.
2.) we observe water to be curved: and not to be flat. This refuted your position.
3.) then you’re argument i relatively meaningless. Such flights should be impossible on a flat earth, and
goven your map of a flat earth should take twice as long. This refutes the flat earth position
4.) you showed no evidence of faking: evidence of faking would be scenarios where NASA presented an image as genuine, and it turned out not to be. You have presented mostly examples of NASA presenting images to be composite; and then you assuming this means they’re fake. No. You have to show evidence they have misrepresented or actually faked images intentionally to show something that is not true. You can’t do that.
5.) you’re imgur image shows curvature. This image is unrelated. And simply asserting that all plane windows are curved, and make a horizon look curved when it’s flat - is an assertion.
6.) NASA literally described an image and how it was made. NASA isn’t trying to prove the earth is a sphere with its images. It’s trying to show images of the earth in a variety of contexts. If they presented the image as proof the earth was a sphere, you could have a point: in reality it appears the image is exactly what they said it is, and fakery is merely asserted by you because you are operating under the false assumption that these images are being produced to indicate the earth is a sphere.
7.) 3 images, with no conext does not prove that every single image ever taken from any type of plane that shows curvature of any form only does so because the window is curved.
8.) it is a mirage. As I pointed out: it has every property of a mirage. Given it has every property of a mirage, saying it is not a mirage is not a supportable proposition.
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
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Let’s focus on water for a second.
Do boats appear to drop blow the level of water if they go far enough?
Do buildings or city skylines appear to be partially below water if you move far enough away?
Do the tower pylons appear to curve over the horizon on Lake Pontecharin?
Are you disagreeing with basic observations of water?
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
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You’re argument is that perspective makes water look not flat; right?
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@SilverishGoldNova
We can also talk about perspective.
Please explain how perspective can make a flat surface to appear in between two people standing on that flat surface.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Give me some equations, models, observations, evidence, and laws of nature for a flat fake Earth
“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain .” - Benjamin Franklin So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.
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- Where is the sun?
- Use your model to calculate the position of the sun, at sunset on the equator at the equinox.
- how can you calculate how much curvature you should see in a photo. (If he doesn’t know, how can he tell we should see curvature)
- what would “curved” water look like. (If he doesn’t know, how can he tell water isn’t curved)
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@Erfisflat
Where is the sun?
Use your model to calculate the position of the sun, at sunset on the equator at the equinox.
How can you calculate how much curvature you should see in a photo?
What would “curved” water look like?
“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain .” - Benjamin Franklin So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Also anyone else notice how he dropped his argument about how things drop because of pressure rather than gravity once he had to start changing it as it was becoming clear it quickly would have lead to him having to accept the theory of gravity?
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Round Earth
“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain .” - Benjamin Franklin So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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So as you haven’t replied: let me hammer home the point.
You’re first argument is that water Is observed to be flat. You’re arguments in your last set of replies is that the reason water is observed to be curved is due to perspective.
Note: The second part by definition refutes the first. You can’t make both arguments without implicitly contradicting yourself, and you don’t seem to appreciate that you have literally proved your own point wrong in your reply.
Water can’t both never appear curved, and appear to be curved because if perspective.
You may feel you have an explanation of why water appears and is observed to be curved: but that doesn’t mean the observation doesn’t exist, and that you can’t pretend that it does.
Given how ubiquitous these measurements are; boats, horizons, buildings, sunsets: when you sat down and wrote your first argument, you MUST have been aware of these observations.
As a result, knowing there are observations of the water being curved; and yet pretending as if they do not exist either shows your argument intentionally omitted material facts in order to misrepresent the strength of your position: or you do not understand how science works: you cannot simply say an inconvenient observation doesn’t exist because you feel you can explain it.
Now: here is the problem with your argument 1. You’re misrepresenting your position: your argument “Water is always observed to be flat” SHOULD be rephrased as “water regularly observed to be curved, but I have an explanation of why it looks curved when actually it’s flat”.
Rephrasing the argument you wrote with the argument you’re actually making; it should really drive home how your argument, is actually using this misstatement to make your argument sound WAY stronger than it is; and at best misleading people into think you’re making an argument you are not.
You should be relying on science, observations, logic and reason to make your argument appear strong: not on misrepresenting what your argument actually is.
So; given this: let’s move on to the argument you actually seem to be making: that every observation of curved water being down to perspective.
This is a bogus argument and one that is easily refuted and never actually mathematically explained by you or anyone: despite it being an argument from geometry.
It’s simply refuted like this:
Parallel lines NEVER meet.
If water is flat, and you are 100 feet above sea level: then a line between you and any position 100ft above sea level is parallel with the waterline.
These lines can never meet by definition: they are parallel. If these lines can’t meet, and are always 100ft separating them; then there is no point where the water is at or above that line between you and the object being observed, and therefore it i not possible for that water to obscure the object.
Your argument from perspective falls apart. Because any trivial analysis of perspective shows it can’t do what you say it can.
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Similar to how we know from all the evidence and witnesses and common sense that animatronic dinosaurs were used in the shooting of Jurassic Park and the photo adds a tiny bit more proof to this theory, the photos of a round earth are yet more proof of a very very obvious fact.
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If if someone is perpetually dishonest, repeatedly saying things that are factually untrue, and repeatedly engaging in core fallacies to dismiss everything anyone says: there’s really not much else you can do but repeatedly call them on their lies and fallacies.
If you feel that I wasn’t accurate in any one of the examples I called him on, feel free to point it out: but I’m pretty sure they’re all accurate, with a justification for each one.
If you object; feel free to ask yourself how on earth it’s possibke to objectively hold a conversation, argue or convince someone who is willing to make 66 untrue statements, and make 35 large individual logical fallacies over 3 posts.
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If if someone is perpetually dishonest, repeatedly saying things that are factually untrue, and repeatedly engaging in core fallacies to dismiss everything anyone says: there’s really not much else you can do but repeatedly call them on their lies and fallacies.
If you feel that I wasn’t accurate in any one of the examples I called him on, feel free to point it out: but I’m pretty sure they’re all accurate, with a justification for each one.
If you object; feel free to ask yourself how on earth it’s possibke to objectively hold a conversation, argue or convince someone who is willing to make 66 untrue statements, and make 35 large individual logical fallacies over 3 posts.
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I would also like to offer this nugget of wisdom, it may help get you up to speed:
If it were possible to logically reason with flat earthers: there wouldn’t be any flat earthers.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Well... yeah. They actually are...
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They aren't fooling me.
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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https://magicseaweed.com/Great-Lakes-Surf-Forecast/81/
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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I started a debate with a glober and I am working on my arguments, I also entered in the DebateIsland tournament so uh...
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
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For sunsets:
@Erfisflat Can I replace you as the main debater for a little bit?
Also, the first Earth image is from the moon landings. Those have been proven to be fake.
The second image is literaly a composite . Unless the Earth has large grey spiral lines all around it.
As for the third, well, you do know we don't usually trust unverifiable imagery. But there are a number of easy experiments you can do for yourself that prove the Earth is flat, for example, long distance curvature tests.
Kinda like the refuted-many-times sticks and shadows experiment, except, I am yet to see a rebuttal.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
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When you flip flop between these equally baseless claims it just shows how every argument you make is pulled out of your .
At least you concede that the boat going over the horizon would be impossible on a flat earth. As we know from thousands of years of observation and modern photos and videos, boats do go over the horizon. Ergo the earth is not flat.
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FYI: as you seemed to have missed this, I will repost.
So as you haven’t replied: let me hammer home the point.
You’re first argument is that water Is observed to be flat. You’re arguments in your last set of replies is that the reason water is observed to be curved is due to perspective.
Note: The second part by definition refutes the first. You can’t make both arguments without implicitly contradicting yourself, and you don’t seem to appreciate that you have literally proved your own point wrong in your reply.
Water can’t both never appear curved, and appear to be curved because if perspective.
You may feel you have an explanation of why water appears and is observed to be curved: but that doesn’t mean the observation doesn’t exist, and that you can’t pretend that it does.
Given how ubiquitous these measurements are; boats, horizons, buildings, sunsets: when you sat down and wrote your first argument, you MUST have been aware of these observations.
As a result, knowing there are observations of the water being curved; and yet pretending as if they do not exist either shows your argument intentionally omitted material facts in order to misrepresent the strength of your position: or you do not understand how science works: you cannot simply say an inconvenient observation doesn’t exist because you feel you can explain it.
Now: here is the problem with your argument 1. You’re misrepresenting your position: your argument “Water is always observed to be flat” SHOULD be rephrased as “water regularly observed to be curved, but I have an explanation of why it looks curved when actually it’s flat”.
Rephrasing the argument you wrote with the argument you’re actually making; it should really drive home how your argument, is actually using this misstatement to make your argument sound WAY stronger than it is; and at best misleading people into think you’re making an argument you are not.
You should be relying on science, observations, logic and reason to make your argument appear strong: not on misrepresenting what your argument actually is.
So; given this: let’s move on to the argument you actually seem to be making: that every observation of curved water being down to perspective.
This is a bogus argument and one that is easily refuted and never actually mathematically explained by you or anyone: despite it being an argument from geometry.
It’s simply refuted like this:
Parallel lines NEVER meet.
If water is flat, and you are 100 feet above sea level: then a line between you and any position 100ft above sea level is parallel with the waterline.
These lines can never meet by definition: they are parallel. If these lines can’t meet, and are always 100ft separating them; then there is no point where the water is at or above that line between you and the object being observed, and therefore it i not possible for that water to obscure the object.
Your argument from perspective falls apart. Because any trivial analysis of perspective shows it can’t do what you say it can.
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“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain .” - Benjamin Franklin So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Please give calculations, models, and observations for the flat fake Earth
“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain .” - Benjamin Franklin So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain .” - Benjamin Franklin So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.
I friended myself!
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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What is that supposed to mean? That seems incoherent.
“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain .” - Benjamin Franklin So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.
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“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain .” - Benjamin Franklin So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.
I friended myself!
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Just a quick video.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
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Just a quick video:
“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain .” - Benjamin Franklin So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.
I friended myself!
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Pot meet kettle.
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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