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Maybe we got off on the wrong foot. I was under the impression that you were a scientist, was I incorrect In my assumptions?
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain .” - Benjamin Franklin So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.
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I reckon if the Chairman of NASA, Odin and Satan were to make a song together it would be.
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“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain .” - Benjamin Franklin So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.
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NASA is involved in what? You do not finish your thoughts.
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Just because they got something a little wrong doesn't change how great the route they got to that wrong conclusion was.
Darwin is completely correct on a microevolutionary scale anyway and his theory is how selective breeding works.
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This is where macroevolution makes no sense!
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“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain .” - Benjamin Franklin So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.
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“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain .” - Benjamin Franklin So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.
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Round earth is easy, space is easy and atheism is easy.
Try to stop thinking 'I know nothing and proof comes first' try to think 'I am a genius and will think ahead of the proof and comprehend the proof better when/if it comes such that I can piece together all the possible scenarios and ascertain which is the real one.'
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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This is a red herring fallacy. This is irrelevant to my argument. I can only assume you conceded. This is a disprove of a flat Earth. I will, however, respond to this red herring.
A massive ice sheet covers almost all of Antarctica. Although there are many glaciers in the Arctic, Greenland has the only permanent ice sheet, but it's only 1/8 the size of the ice sheet that Antartica has.
As the Arctic Ocean surrounds the North Pole, the ice cover is sea ice that floats on the ocean (only about 10-20 feet / 3-6 meters thick), instead of that massive ice sheet (more than 2 miles / 3 kilometers thick in places).
The Arctic's thin ice cover has water, not land, under it. While the water is anything but warm (its temperature is, naturally, above the freezing point - or else it would be ice), it is much, much warmer than the air above the ice - and some of this heat makes its way through the ice to the air.
The ice cap over the Arctic Ocean is always moving because of the winds above it and the ocean currents beneath it. This movement causes large cracks (called "leads") to open up - even in winter - and this allows ocean heat to escape into the air.
Land loses heat faster than water. The Antarctic has stronger winds than the Arctic. During the summer months, Arctic land, unlike Antarctica, is mostly free of snow and ice cover. This not only contributes to warmer temperatures but allows for much plant growth as well. http://www.athropolis.com/arctic-facts/fact-poles.htm
"Both polar regions of the earth are cold, primarily because they receive far less solar radiation than the tropics and mid-latitudes do. At either pole, the sun never rises more than 23.5 degrees above the horizon and both locations experience six months of continuous darkness. Moreover, most of the sunlight that does shine on the polar regions is reflected by the bright white surface.
What makes the South Pole so much colder than the North Pole is that it sits on top of a very thick ice sheet, which itself sits on a continent. The surface of the ice sheet at the South Pole is more than 9,000 feet in elevation--more than a mile and a half above sea level. Antarctica is by far the highest continent on the earth. In comparison, the North Pole rests in the middle of the Arctic Ocean, where the surface of floating ice rides only a foot or so above the surrounding sea.The Arctic Ocean also acts as an effective heat reservoir, warming the cold atmosphere in the winter and drawing heat from the atmosphere in the summer." https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-is-the-south-pole-col/
Please respond to my argument instead of committing fallacies. I will repost it just for you. Another disproof of the flat Earth is Paleoclimates. Antartica has coal. Coal is only formed in areas with plants. Antartica is too cold for that. So it would have had to have been closer to the Equator where it is hotter. If Antartica is a wall, this would be impossible.
Here, take the links.
http://www.globalclassroom.org/antarct3.html ;
https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/segweb/economicgeology/article-abstract/75/6/936/19385/coal-in-antarctica redirectedFrom=PDF
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_Antarctica ;
https://www.worldcoal.com/coal/14032016/mapping-antarctica-coal-coal2016-388/ https://discoveringantarctica.org.uk/challenges/sustainability/mineral-resources/ ;
http://www.globalclassroom.org/antarct3.html https://www.azomining.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=239 ;
https://www.coolantarctica.com/Antarctica fact file/science/threats_mining_oil.php
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-there-coal-in-Antarctica-Was-it-once-a-temperate-climate ;
https://www.lds.org/new-era/1971/03/antarctica-the-great-discovery-at-coalsack-bluff?lang=eng ;
Here, take the pages. https://www.google.com/search?q=antarctica+found+with+coal&rlz=1CAACAR_enUS768US768&ei=--q6WvT8Icvr5gK-0I2IAw&start=10&sa=N&biw=1366&bih=646&safe=active&ssui=on ;
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https://www.google.com/search?q=antarctica+found+with+coal&rlz=1CAACAR_enUS768US768&ei=4-26WvTlBYaL5wKq0arwDw&start=30&sa=N&biw=1366&bih=646&safe=active&ssui=on
Here, take some google scholar links.
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/169/3942/274 ;
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ba-1966-0055.ch011
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0031018296000326 ;
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain .” - Benjamin Franklin So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.
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Another disproof of the flat Earth is Paleoclimates. Antartica has coal. Coal is only formed in areas with plants. Antartica is too cold for that. So it would have had to have been closer to the Equator where it is hotter. If Antartica is a wall, this would be impossible.
Here, take the links.
http://www.globalclassroom.org/antarct3.html ;
https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/segweb/economicgeology/article-abstract/75/6/936/19385/coal-in-antarctica redirectedFrom=PDF
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_Antarctica ;
https://www.worldcoal.com/coal/14032016/mapping-antarctica-coal-coal2016-388/ https://discoveringantarctica.org.uk/challenges/sustainability/mineral-resources/ ;
http://www.globalclassroom.org/antarct3.html https://www.azomining.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=239 ;
https://www.coolantarctica.com/Antarctica fact file/science/threats_mining_oil.php
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-there-coal-in-Antarctica-Was-it-once-a-temperate-climate ;
https://www.lds.org/new-era/1971/03/antarctica-the-great-discovery-at-coalsack-bluff?lang=eng ;
Here, take the pages. https://www.google.com/search?q=antarctica+found+with+coal&rlz=1CAACAR_enUS768US768&ei=--q6WvT8Icvr5gK-0I2IAw&start=10&sa=N&biw=1366&bih=646&safe=active&ssui=on ;
https://www.google.com/search?q=antarctica+found+with+coal&rlz=1CAACAR_enUS768US768&ei=s-26Wqi-A4S45gL2vaOgBg&start=20&sa=N&biw=1366&bih=646&safe=active&ssui=on ;
https://www.google.com/search?q=antarctica+found+with+coal&rlz=1CAACAR_enUS768US768&ei=4-26WvTlBYaL5wKq0arwDw&start=30&sa=N&biw=1366&bih=646&safe=active&ssui=on
Here, take some google scholar links.
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/169/3942/274 ;
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ba-1966-0055.ch011
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0031018296000326 ;
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Your paleoclimates argument is a strawman. I don't claim that Antarctica itself is a wall in the sense that you are assuming, more like a shelf. Since you yourself claim that "The surface of the ice sheet at the South Pole is more than 9,000 feet in elevation--more than a mile and a half above sea level. Antarctica is by far the highest continent on the earth.", you admit that the "continent" is raised, like it is on a raised shelf. Like a plateau.
I can't say whether there were plants on the shelf, all that would be needed was for the sun to be on a larger circuit, closer to the plateau that surrounds us, where plant life could survive, IF coal was found there, this was surely the case. This in no way proves the earth a ball, or that it is not flat.
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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I also think you and I have a very different relationship with Pogue.
You are always his opposition so it's less intense for him. I think he is really irritated because I explain how his proof doesn't really disprove a flat Earth. The issue is that your style is to keep making him feel and inferior for advocating what he advocates and I know for a fact that this is not how you recruit people to your side of things.
You need to sit back and let him rage, genuinely understand his points and empathise with the anguish of realising that one has been lied to. It's not a nice anguish and he is going through it and defending against the pain.
He will keep throwing out sources and arguments until you and I both show ourselves to be non-combatant in our style. He is in a fighting mode and we need him in a talking mode.
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We know the angular velocity of the sun because it must complete one circuit of the flat Earth in 1 day. At the equinoxes, when overhead the equator, approximately 10,000km (6,213.7mi) from the center of this planet. When here it must travel at 2,618km/h (1,626.75mi) factoring in distance at the equator and how long it must be. However, during the June solstice, it is on the Tropic of Cancer. On the flat Earth, it is 2,604km (1,618mi) closer to the center. Here it covers a smaller distance but at the same time so it must move slower. At about 1,936km/h (1203mi/h). On the December solstice, it is on the Tropic of Capricorn. This is 2,604km (1,618mi) south of the equator. The sun has to cover a larger distance in the same amount of time and so moves faster. This means it is about 3,300km/h (2050.5mi/h).
A question I have is what is moving the sun. What force is doing it? Back it up with evidence when you answer/respond. Also, the speed difference would be easy to detect. In one hour it should change position much differently.
This video explains everything in more depth and it also has more arguments to debunk a spotlight sun.
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I can copy and paste the video where it shows teh physicality of this movement but you don't seem to like watching it.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain .” - Benjamin Franklin So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.
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If you go to a different part of the world, you’ll notice the constellations there are completely different.
A phenomenon first observed by Aristotle many, many years ago when he was returning from Egypt, the premise is the further you go away from the equator the further known constellations go towards the horizon.
This phenomenon can only be explained by a round surface.
Aristotle also concluded the Earth wasn’t very large because a small change in the distance makes a huge difference in terms of what we see in the night sky.
In the flat Earth model, you could not see the same constellations and stars in S.A. and Africa (or S.A. and Australia or Africa and Australia) (the two will both be night) because you would only be able to see the front. Also, the stars that are only able to see in the Northern Hemisphere would be visible in the South.
Globe:
Flat:
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“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain .” - Benjamin Franklin So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.
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As for my question, which you did not answer, I ask to you why do the stars you see in the sky from the same spot during the night not change as the Earth rotates?
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“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain .” - Benjamin Franklin So flat Earthers, man-made climate change deniers, and just science deniers.
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Okay, this I openly admit was a good disproof of what I said. What I now will like to say is going to sound like an extreme scapegoat or troll statement but I beg that you understand. The Sun does not stay fixed in position, somehow the sunlight remains constant. This is because the screen meets the Earth at the edge and is contributing to the round earth illusion (yes, the controlling people are supporting the liars).
If the dome is actually not a dome and it's endless sky and we are simply one tiny human-farm in the middle of an endless ice-scape, then it still makes sense if the light is able to come from other sources than the sun from outside what we think is the confines of the Earth.
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