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"It was a result of the religion that led to the kid dying! How can you not see that!
Instead of going to a doctor, which they could've done until he died, they put oil and just PRAYED!
Did you actually read about the case?"
Where do you think this information came from Zombieguy1978?
(Jeffrey and Marci Beagley were found guilty of criminally negligent homicide after a two-week trial.)
Religion itself wasn't found guilty along with them was it?
I didn't see anywhere where religion was found guilty of criminally negligent homicide along with the individuals did you?
Did you read anywhere were Religion was found guilty along with Jeffrey and Marci Beagley?
Do you maybe view the law differently when it maybe comes to an atheist individual committing a crime verses a religious individual?
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Do you have a counter argument?
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Christianity is a cult your failure to understand definitions continues to give you problems , your other argument about drunk drivers is mere deflection and makes sense to no one on here , you’re obsessed with Christian drunk drivers are you one of them?
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If an atheist individual commits a crime, who might the atheist offender maybe blame their offense on?
Might they blame their offense on their own actions, or blame it on their atheist thought process?
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Care to comment?
What about the atheist drunk drivers Joe?
Being that drunk drivers have killed 1.6 million people, do you not have an issue with that?
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An Atheist Goes Through Alcoholics Anonymous
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What are your thoughts on the below?
"Atheism and state indoctrination
See also: Atheist indoctrination and State atheism and Causes of atheism and Atheism and communism"
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What are your thoughts on the below?
"Atheism and state indoctrination
See also: Atheist indoctrination and State atheism and Causes of atheism and Atheism and communism
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What are your thoughts on the below?
"Atheism and state indoctrination
See also: Atheist indoctrination and State atheism and Causes of atheism and Atheism and communism
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Care to comment?
What about the Christian drunk drivers Joe?
Being that drunk drivers have killed 1.6 million people, do you not have an issue with that?
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I don’t read
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More rubbish from your Indoctrinated Christian drunkards website , your parents put you onto this site?
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Religious people not even understanding their own religion isn't a case for being anti-religion in general. If they were theologically literate at all, they'd know they while you should also trust and pray to God, you can't just totally depend on God and be some lazy bum. You have to do your part too. One of the Evangelists was a physician.
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Being that drunk drivers have killed 1.6 million people, do you not have an issue with that?
Why would you repeat my question back to me Joeseph?
Do you have a counter argument!
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Being that Christian drunk drivers have killed 1.6 million people, do you not have an issue with that?
Why would you repeat my question back to me Joeseph?
Do you have a counter argument!
Maybe you Christians ought not to drink and drive ?
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Conservapedia?
Seriously...
https://twitter.com/Zombieguy19871
Taxation is always theft
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/
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It's a study with multiple subsections that encompasses a multitude of facts, theories, hypothesis, and so forth. Religious people look at the same information and form a different conclusion.
So if evolution is not indoctrination, then religion is not indoctrination.
Nevertheless, teaching children one conclusion (theory - idea to explain something, hypothesis - proposed explaination with limited info) over another with a lack of criticism or consideration of whether something is right or wrong is exactly the defintion of indoctrination. The fact that evolution is offered without religious conclusion is indoctrination.
Both ideas have to be taught.
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@JoesephYou said>>>Religious children are far less able to distinguish fantasy from reality
Where is the evidence to support this argument.
Whether the "indoctrination" of a child into a religion is psychologically abusive or physically abusive to a child depends on the religion. You can't group all religious beliefs as being abusive.
Some of our greatest thinkers in history were raised and continued to practice the religion they were "indoctrinated " in. Some of our current great thinkers still do.
It is a parents responsibility to teach their children. If religion and religious values are important to them then they are not abusing them they are just teaching them what they know in their hearts to be true. Whether others believe the way do or not.
I don't undrestand athiest who have such a problem with religion. What are athiest so afraid of?
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This is an interesting statement you made here that has just got me thinking more deeply haha. If a child is being labelled and told what to believe is gospel right from the get-go, then aren't they being deprived of the right to be able grow up learning to think critically, for themselves, and decide what or what not to believe?
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My reply .... Children are not given the choice regards religion most are introduced to it from infancy and its re-forced daily by churches , schools and their particular societies which are mostly made up of likewise individuals
Children who are Atheists..who are raised Atheists..are they given a choice...or are they forced to be Atheists until at least age 18???
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It’s also most amusing to me to hear most religious people recoil at the idea that I use the term abuse , tell me is it not mental abuse to tell a child he/she will roast in Hell for disobeying gods word ? Is it abuse to tell a child that gays , lesbians and others are evil ? Or that worship of another god demands a fiery eternity in Hell ?
There is no evidence that children are going to roast in Hell for not believing in God's Word. So any parent who tells their child that they will roast in Hell for not believing in God's words is lying to them.
https://carm.org/what-happens-to-babies-or-infants-who-die
"While the Bible does not explicitly say where young children go when they die in infancy, it seems to imply that they go to heaven."
"First, there is no verse in Scripture which states that those unbelievers will go to hell because they were not old enough to believe. Since God is just, it would appear that He would allow these infants to go to Heaven."
"Is it abuse to tell a child that gays, lesbians and others are evil?"
There is nothing to suggest that we think Gays and Lesbians are evil. In reality, we disagree with their chosen lifestyle and like or not, we are allowed to disagree, and that isn't being Homophobic or practicing Discrimination. Also, it is a lie to say that God hates you if you are Gay. That is what the Movie "Boy Erased" said based off of the Trailer. God does not hate you if you are Gay. He hates the Sin. "Love the Sinner, Hate the Sin".
https://carm.org/discrimation-homosexual-wrong
https://carm.org/homosexuality-normal
https://carm.org/homosexuals-are-born-way-therefore-it-natural-and-good
https://carm.org/god-created-me-as-a-homosexual-therefore-it-is-okay
https://carm.org/why-did-god-make-me-gay
https://carm.org/sin-homophobia
https://carm.org/why-are-christians-homophobic
The one's in bold are the one's that I definitely think you should look at out of all of them.
https://www.gotquestions.org/LGBTQ-persecution.html
"The most insidious temptation related to seeing others being persecuted is apathy. As Christians, when we see members of the LGBTQ+ community being persecuted, we have a responsibility to act. Jesus said, “Love your neighbor” (Luke 10:27). It doesn’t matter what our neighbor’s opinion is on moral or sexual ethics, the command applies. Loving those in the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer (LGBTQ) community means, in part, we do not condone acts of persecution against them—we do not excuse violence, injustice, or any behavior that brings harm. Doing good to those in the LGBTQ community means we are proactive in aiding them in times of trouble."
https://www.gotquestions.org/Christians-homophobic.html
https://www.gotquestions.org/does-God-hate-gays.html
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" He teaches undergraduate- and graduate-level courses on statistics, family, and religion,I would take his words with a large pinch of salt"
Of course you would. Because your Bias against anything that has to do with religion it seems.
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****So any parent who tells their child that they will roast in Hell for not believing in God's words is lying to them.
."Yet your preachers , pastors and priests have said different traditionally .....”
Hold most firmly and never doubt that, not only adults with the use of reason but also children who either begin to live in the womb of their mothers and who die there or, already born from their mothers, pass from this world without the Sacrament of Holy Baptism, which is given in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, must be punished with the endless penalty of eternal fire. Even if they have no sin from their own actions, still, by their carnal conception and birth, they have contracted the damnation of Original Sin."—Bishop St. Fulgentius[6*
***”First, there is no verse in Scripture which states that those unbelievers will go to hell because they were not old enough to believe. Since God is just, it would appear that He would allow these infants to go to Heaven
”Your god is just? Ok which is why he approves of owning and beating slaves as they are your property
***There is nothing to suggest that we think Gays and Lesbians are evil. In reality, we disagree with their chosen lifestyle and like or not, we are allowed to disagree, and that isn't being Homophobic or practicing Discrimination. Also, it is a lie to say that God hates you if you are Gay. That is what the Movie "Boy Erased" said based off of the Trailer. God does not hate you if you are Gay. He hates the Sin. "Love the Sinner, Hate the Sin".
The only one lying here is you .....Leviticus 18 and 20"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." Chapter 18 verse 22. "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
***Jesus said, “Love your neighbor” (Luke 10:27). It doesn’t matter what our neighbor’s opinion is on moral or sexual ethics, the command applies.
***Loving those in the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer (LGBTQ) community means, in part, we do not condone acts of persecution against them—we do not excuse violence, injustice, or any behavior that brings harm. Doing good to those in the LGBTQ community means we are proactive in aiding them in times of trouble."
Well you’re going against your gods wishes as he hates homosexuality according to the Bible just the he hated certain humans and allowed others to beat and enslave them @JohnSmith
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You don’t like the fact you’re indoctrinated and deep down you know it so of course you unintelligently accuse me of your faults as in bias
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I know two atheist families and the difference is they have let their children make their own minds up on the question , totally different to the religious model which rarely gives them a choice
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Nobody has ever "forced" me to be Atheist. The topic wasn't really a thing in my family at all; none of us cared about religions. I first heard the world "religion" at the age of 6, and the whole thing seemed bizarre to me even then, so I did not take it seriously. I was not even aware until the age of 10-11 that there was someone on this planet who believed in these things. I personally paid them no heed, and they were not even on the spectrum of my thoughts.
My parents always taught me to question everything. With religion, I did not even have to question it much, beyond, "So, where is the evidence?" Since the answer was "nowhere", this is where my questioning ended.
People who grow up in religious families seem to project their beliefs on everyone else. They do not realise that a lot of people in this world simply do not even think about religious categories. Nobody needs to actively promote Atheism for people to not follow religions; it is quite the opposite, in fact: it is the religions that need to be promoted for people to follow them.
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Obviously, there is no correlation between success and belief ( unless you live in a country that makes it a point to harass and/or kill non-believers in the state sponsored religion )
Nor is there correlation between the moral acts of a person and religious beliefs.
https://www.livescience.com/47799-morality-religion-political-beliefs.html
Religion is it's own purpose, it's own life-form. It exists only to serve itself, and doesn't care about us except as a means to an end.
Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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**** Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby. Evolution is fact.
If you’re an example of a “trained up Christian “ one would be better off leaving their kids in a crack house as they would grow up with a superior moral compass to you who seems to detest anyone who isn’t a narrow minded rage filled bigot like yourself
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Wow!!!!! A threat from the Bible it must be true ..........
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