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Three-forms of evidence validating our Creator, Jesus Christ-Yeshua…
1) Nature
2) The Incarnation of God in Time
3) The Written Covenant between God and Mankind
1) Empirical – Preliminary – Substantive – Observable Evidence = Nature
The Universe, encompassing the Sun-Moon-Stars-Earth, descending downward to the complex human genome (life), all provide empirical, preliminary, substantive, observable, evidence for design in Nature and therefore mandate a Designer (Isaiah 66:1; Acts 7:49).
The Holy Spirit has clearly articulated that anyone who denies these empirical, supernatural, inexplicable, forms of Nature as testimony relevant to our Creator’s validity will be “without excuse” when they stand in the Judgment before Jesus Christ-Yeshua in Eternity (Romans 1:18-32; Revelation 20:11-15). It is the preliminary evidence of Nature that confronts mankind daily/nightly and is so designed as to draw all men and women to seek knowledge of God and find life in His Name, Jesus Christ-Yeshua.
God has so uniquely created and ordained Nature as testimony and evidence relevant to Himself that He has nullified mankind’s ability to define origin of matter or understand the supernatural Universe He has placed before us (Ecclesiastes 3:11). Origin of matter will, until the end of Time, remain a mystery to mankind as man is cognitively constrained by Time and The Curse; all that is visible and invisible to the human eye in Nature was established, created, by elements from the invisible Spiritual World; therefore, the genesis of our Creation will forever remain an enigma, a mystery, to the mind of man. Anyone seeking Truth, void a personal bias against the validity of our Creator, can easily apprehend and discern the supernatural design of creation mandating a supernatural Creator.
“By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible.” Hebrews 11:3 (NASB)
“He has made everything appropriate in its time. He has also set eternity in their heart, yet so that man will not find out the work which God has done from the beginning even to the end.” Ecclesiastes 3:11 (NASB)
2) The Incarnate, Living Word of God, Jesus Christ-Yeshua
There exists no greater or more popular historical figure than Jesus Christ-Yeshua. The Atheist who rejects the historicity of Jesus simply rejects the overwhelming evidence for His validity readily accessible-available in Biblical and extra-Biblical as well as non-Christian, archeological, sources.
Our Creator did not leave His Human creation to wonder or ponder about the one-true-God and His Plan and purposes for Time and Eternity, but God left the Spiritual Realm some 2019-years ago, He divided history, and entered the Realm of Time in the flesh through a virgin birth that was essential to establish Him as Messiah who would selflessly give Himself to save mankind from death in sin and death in Hell (Philippians 2:5-11; Matthew 1:23).
During the 33.5-years of His Earthly sojourn, Jesus fulfilled over 300-Messianic prophecies as articulated in the Covenant of Law extending from the Genesis to The Book of Malachi. The statistical chances of
1 person fulfilling 8 prophecies: 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000;
1 person fulfilling 48 prophecies: 1 chance in 10 to the 157th power;
1 person
fulfilling 300+ prophecies: Only Jesus!
In the Gospel of John, Chapter 14 v. 6, Jesus *said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.”
Anyone contemplating the Deity of Jesus Christ in light of the previous Scripture (John 14:6) must come to ONE of only three-conclusions concerning Jesus Christ. Jesus is either a…
1. .
2. lunatic.
3. Lord
Every human being born subsequent to 33-AD and having attained an age of reason with sufficient cognitive acuity to discern the moral law as written upon our heart by our Creator (Romans 2:15) will have to choose between these three-options seeing that their eternal destiny will depend solely upon which option they choose.
3) The written word of God, the Holy Bible
God the Father has not only provided Nature/the Universe and the Son, Jesus Christ-Yeshua as testimony of His validity, power, dominion, but God has also provided a written “Covenant of Grace” (Matthew 26:28) to His human creation through the Holy Spirit. God the Holy Spirit meticulously, supernaturally, moved through the inner-man of 40-men of antiquity, holy men set-apart specifically for the purpose of penning on parchment the Plan and purposes of our Creator; a journey of 1400-to-1600-years, three-continents, three-languages, explaining in detail our origin, our purpose and meaning, God’s moral law and God’s Plan for the destiny of Time and Eternity.
For those who scoff at the integrity of God’s written word and thereby call the Holy Spirit a , understand that the very same Creator who initiated visible matter from the unseen Spiritual World and used same to create this vast supernatural Universe and gave you the breath of life, this very same Creator is abundantly capable and qualified to provide you and provide me with the EXACT words He desires we have so that we can know Him, His Plan and purposes for Time and our individual lives. Irrespective of councils of men and theologians, critics, scholars, all of the efforts of men concerning advocating for or disparaging the Holy Scriptures, know that the Bible remains the best-selling Book in History and that God’s word will NEVER fade away (Matthew 24:35).
Conclusion
Our Creator has provided Human KIND with three-undeniable-forms of evidence relevant to His validity, reality, power, dominion, Deity…
1) Nature.
2) Jesus Christ, the Incarnate Living Word of God.
3) A written covenant, the Holy Scriptures.
Anyone who desires to know God intimately, personally, will find Him and enter into a relationship with Him if they will seek Him with their whole heart…He will be found by them (Jeremiah 29:11-13). God will NOT entertain or commune with a heart that does not truly desire to know Him but He is faithful to make His abode with anyone willing to come to Him in faith and believe that He is true.
“But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.” Hebrews 11:6 (NKJV)
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Stars formed, planets coalesced, and on at least one of them life took root.
Through a long process of evolution this life developed into the human race.
Humans conquered fire, built complex societies and advanced technology .
All of that so we can argue about nothing.
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I am not saying that there is insufficient evidence for me to believe in god. There is instead zero evidence for me to suggest that god exists. "Belief" is not something I partake in in general, whether regarding religion or something else.
As for the prophecies, if you write your claims vaguely enough and if you interpret certain events forcefully enough, then you can declare anyone a messiah. I already suggested venerating Cleopatra instead of Jesus in another thread; want me to prove to you how Cleopatra fulfilled hundreds prophecies made by Phoenicians a thousand years before?
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Apologies that very basic concepts are unclear to you here is a picture that might help ......you’re welcome
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Of course I do not possess a heart willing to believe; a heart cannot believe anything, as that is not one of its functions. As for me, I do not believe anything until I see some concrete evidence, and that is a strategy that has worked well for me so far.
Not believing random words from a fantasy book is a mental illness? Okay then!
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Your ability to tell whether people's words are sincere by reading comments on the Internet is quite spectacular. Ever tried to capitalise on it?
Regardless, since I do not take the concepts of "sin" and "hell" seriously, I guess I am good!
Now, what spider type did that monk say I was going to reincarnate into again...
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***You are not a good person, Dee
Wow! Getting judged by a Westboro Baptist ......you’ve hurt me real bad Bwaaaaaaahahahahahaha
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Debating with such people is helpful at sharpening your debating skills, as well as thinking more about your positions, even if the opponent does not provide a helpful feedback or constructive criticism.
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@MayCaesar But this OP is hardly challenging! Sorry, but you've got to admit that. I mean I could just as easily create multiple debates arguing that all Bananas are Gods and rulers of the world and that anyone that doesn't think so is evil, bad, a liberal, a satanic worshiper, etc. And most of the people here now know that most of these posts from this guy are all , so the idea of appealing to other audiences won't wash either with me.
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Well, in life we are going to have to defend our positions in front of all kinds of people, including those that do not really challenge them and employ countless fallacies instead. Practicing here helps prepare us for such cases.
Debating only with deep and logical debaters is going to have an adverse effect out in the world, where a lot of people are not so deep and logical.
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@MayCaesar the difference between this OP and a lot of other people in life we meet is that a lot of the time they're not like brick walls; we are actually learning something. My point, by the way, is not to be derivative. I just think some of you are better than that. Furthermore, the majority of what this guys post is nothing short of either preaching or trolling nonsense which most people (even those with slightly less than average intelligence) can figure out for themselves. So, like I said the appeal to win over other audiences doesn't wash either with respect to these particular posts. That's just my take anyway.
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Secular Scientists Blast the Big Bang
https://creation.com/secular-scientists-blast-the-big-bangNo one knows how the Universe Began:
https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/bb_whycare.htmScience Still Doesn't Know How The Universe Exists
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bridaineparnell/2017/10/26/science-still-doesnt-know-how-the-universe-exists/#3e5a8eab37f8The Big Bang Wasn't The Beginning, After All
https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/09/21/the-big-bang-wasnt-the-beginning-after-all/#6f2a523c55df
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Ahhh poor Rwicky is all Butt hurt again ......
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I do not think I am better than someone else; I am certainly not above talking to anyone about anything. I have met examples of people like Rickey in the real world, and it is helpful to have some practice of conversing with them. I respond to arguments, not to people, in general on this type of websites, and dismantling poorly thought out arguments is a bit of my hobby!
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Oh, but you are thinking that you are better than me. It is called pride. It is a sin according to your scribbles, punishable by eternal suffering... Repent, Rickey, repent before the Great Potato Monster!
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I would first like to discuss your characterization that there are no true atheists and that they all deny god. I would characterize myself as a soft atheist, meaning that I am not convinced that there is a god, but I don't have any degree of certainty on whether a god exists or not. I don't know if this would be considered "denial" or not. I acknowledge the possibility that a god could exist, but I have not been presented with sufficient evidence to warrant such a belief.
I was raised in a Roman Catholic household where I believed in a god, and I even went to schools under a catholic education board for 4 years of my life, but as time went on, I started questioning more and more at a young age what I was being taught. My first time that I can remember questioning theological concepts that I had learned was when I was 8. Eventually I stopped believing in a god, and even though it may have at first been for reasons that I today consider irrational, I have reasons that I have formulated over the years for why I don't believe. Today I am 15 years old, and I still don't believe in a god.
I say this because I want you to know that I was a believer for a long time, but in my attempt to reason about whether or not god exists, I came to the conclusion that I don't know whether or not a god exists, and I may have bad reasons, but I'm not in denial about the existence of a god.
Now let's get into your arguments.
1) Nature
From what I understand, you are saying that the universe has a complex design, and that only complex designs must come from a creator, so therefore a god must have created the universe.
The main fallacy that I see in this argument is that you assume that complex designs must come from a creator. These complex arrangements of matter are only existent as a result of the big bang, so we can say that the universe and nature were caused by the big bang, and as for what caused the big bang, we don't know.
In fact, I believe that you even said in your post that we are limited in our ability to understand the origin of matter, so I believe that we both agree that we don't know what caused the universe, at least not with any certainty.
To say that because we don't know what caused the universe, so it must have been god, and more specifically the god of the bible is an example of the fallacy argumentum ad ignorantiam, or the argument of ignorance fallacy.
2) The Incarnation of God in time
Regarding the historical existence of Jesus, you didn't give any specifics about what is said in historical documents that demonstrates the existence of Jesus Christ. If you gave specifics, I would be more than happy to go through them with you.
About the fact that Jesus was said to have fulfilled prophesies in the bible, I could write a book right now that has a prophesy in it that says that I will fly off a mountain, and then write a second book that says that I flew off a mountain, but that is no indication of whether or not I actually fulfilled prophesy. I believe Matt Dillahunty made this argument in a rather amusing way when he asked "If I order a steak medium rare, and I get one, did I fulfill prophesy?"
3) The Written Covenant between God and Mankind
From what I read here, it seems like you only asserted that the holy spirit spoke to different people, but do you have any evidence to back this up? I would need evidence to properly respond to this argument.
I hope that I didn't miss anything and if anything that I said about your arguments was inaccurate, let me know.
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According to you, it seems, everyone but you will go to hell, because there is virtually no one out there who believes in the exact set of claims you do. You are going to be lonely in heaven, poor boy...
You also still refuse to acknowledge that your "scriptures" are just writings of random people from the past. They are not evidence of anything, not any more than Lord of the Rings is. Have you never questioned whether learning about the world by ancient books, rather than by personal observation and rational thinking, might not be the best approach in existence?
Try some day to not use your books as a crutch for a while and, instead of these endless quotations and memes, speak your own mind. Otherwise you will always be controlled by other people, who do not necessarily wish you good.
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I don't want to know what you believe, I want to know why you believe it. There doesn't seem to be anything here that I can rebut on an empirical or philosophical level except to say that what is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. I know that you don't like it when I reference points made by counter-apologetics, but this is one of the most important ideas in epistemology.
I keep on noticing that you presuppose that I believe in the holy spirit but no in god. I don't believe in any supernatural entity, whether it is gods, the holy spirit, or a man rising from the dead.
Because I want to know why you believe the things you do, and this is a debate website, I will proceed to ask you 2 questions that will hopefully unpack why you believe in the Christian god:
1. Assuming that you are talking to someone who doesn't believe in anything in the bible in the first place, how can you demonstrate that the bible is the infallible word of god?
2. You said in the intro to this debate that atheist know that there is a god. How would you be able to demonstrate that I believe in a god?
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1) Nature
The arguments under this heading boil down to 'the appearance of design is actually design' or 'nature is too complex to be natural'. Either way we look at it, the reasoning doesn't follow. The appearance of design does not demand design. A performer can provide the appearance of magic. However, we typically understand the appearance of magic itself does little to show magic real. It is the same with 'design'. There is no signature on the alleged design.
Furthermore, there are aspects of reality which, if designed, show an incompetent or malicious designer and this does not mesh with the designer normally being advocated. A good example of poor design can be found in the human pharynx. This passageway is used for both respiration and ingestion drastically increasing the likelihood of choking. A better design could have eliminated this likelihood. Many times, design advocates will argue these instances of poor design are due to humanity rebelling against God (the Fall). This would mean that pre-fall, the pharynx did not exist or was built differently. There is no evidence for this. The "Fall" explanation is very much a way of cherry-picking the evidence to suggest a designer while dismissing the evidence which argues against it.
2) Jesus
The OP argues the historicity of Jesus and the 'fulfilled prophecies' claimed in the Bible are evidence for the Christian deity.
a. The Historicity of Jesus - Most scholars agree Jesus was a real historical figure. However, historians do not endorse a man named Jesus rose from the dead and was the son of god. Just as one can accept Kim Jong-un is a real person while rejecting the claims of him being a deity, the same is applicable to Jesus. A legitimate historicity doesn't mean all claims associated with an historical figure are true. Historicity =/= Deity
b. Prophecies - Lord, , Lunatic
We often see prophecies forwarded as an evidence for the divinity of Jesus. However, when we consider the above accepted historicity of Jesus, it requires a leap of faith to hold the same evidence (which can only support the existence of a man named Jesus and not the supernatural claims associated with him) somehow also supports the divinity of Jesus. The Lord, , Lunatic, trilemma leaves out one other possibility: Legend. It is human nature to inflate those we admire to just a little more than they actually were. Over time, tales grow more and more fantastic. Given that tales of Jesus likely spread by word of mouth for decades, it is no stretch to imagine that more and more prophecies were fulfilled in the retelling. Given the choice between unverifiable prophetic fulfillment pointing to Lord or Legend - the latter is much more likely.
3) The Bible
The very portions of the Bible which the OP must use to advance the divinity of Jesus suffer from the rebuttal above. The earliest books of the NT weren't thought to be authored/recorded until decades after the death of Jesus with the latest gospel nearly 60 years after. Furthermore, we can see the divinity of Jesus evolving between Mark (the earliest canonical gospel) and John (the last canonical gospel). The author of Mark held to a low Christology - Jesus was not a god, but a man given authority from the god of the Bible. On the other hand, the author of John held to a high Christology - Jesus was fully god from 'the beginning' or even pre-eternal. It could be that the earliest gospel didn't explain the divinity of Jesus fully (or was simply incorrect in it's understanding) or it could be that John reflected the extent to which the legend of Jesus had grown 60 years after his death. The evidence (humans have a tendency to build legends) suggests the latter is the more likely alternative.
Conclusion:
A critical evaluation of the evidence provided by the OP finds it is indeed insufficient to believe in the Christian deity.
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- Cleopatra could make any man fall in love with her upon the first eye contact.
- Cleopatra spoke over 20 languages fluently.
- Cleopatra was so beautiful, people could tell when she is in their city from the aura she radiated.
- Cleopatra could look at the sun straight infinitely and not blink or have her eyes damaged.
- Cleopatra had wild nights involving sex with over 10 men and women, and all of them would leave exhausted, while she still craved for more.
- Cleopatra was a pharaoh and, hence, a goddess, with all the divine attributes that come with it.
Looks strikingly similar quantitatively to what is prescribed to Jesus, does it not? Now, any Christian with a tiny ability to critically think would dismiss all these claims as legends made by impressionable writers and orators. Yet when it comes to Jesus, suddenly similar in plausibility stories become an unquestionable truth.The lack of self-awareness in many religious people is baffling. They see other religions, myths and superstitions for what they are, but are blind to the fact that their own religion is basically the same thing.
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I didn't see anything in this post that explained why you believe the things that you do. Maybe understanding what evidence would change my mind on the issue of whether god exists would be useful. I believe that if you demonstrate that the god of the bible is the explanation for the origin of the universe which makes the fewest assumptions, or the simplest explanation for the origin of the universe, then I would be convinced that there is a god. For now I have not encountered any evidence to demonstrate this.
Maybe you can explain to me what burden of proof I fulfill. to make to change your mind, and we can hopefully reach a conclusion together on this. I know that in your first post you suggested that atheists were dishonest, and I don't want you to think that. I want to believe as many true things and as few false things as possible. I changed my mind on the existence of god once, and so I can change it again.
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