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What about seasonal day length at the north pole.
And how come you are so certain that the Earth is flat.
What would the benefit be to N.A.S.A. in telling everyone that the Earth is spherical rather than flat.
And are Roscosmos and all other space agencies colluding with N.A.S.A.
In light of your revelations, these are all things we need answers to.
Also. Can you explain what the Sun is and how it functions in your model.
Sorry. I haven't the time to plough through 18 pages.
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None of which makes any sense, but it's all based on religion rather than science or facts. This whole post is about trying to discredit science and find holes in it's knowledge. Anything they can do to cast doubt on scientific progress we've made that contradicts the bible. if you pay attention you'll notice they don't hold the same standards on the science that doesn't contradict the bible, they have not problem going to the doctor, using cell phones, GPS, or depending on any of those technologies/advancements. But go against their sky fairy and the cognitive dissonance begins and they won't accept it and start trying to sabotage it.
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Atleast you're trying to make counter-arguments unlike before when you used nothing but ad homs
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
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This is a shifting the burden fallacy, but I'll play along. It's quite obvious that "not everything exhibits an attraction to another”. We see this in everyday observations. A man jumping from a plane at 10,000 feet does not get yo-yoed back to his plane. We can see how magnets are attracted to each other plain and simple. They get stronger with proximity, and then they snap together.
I drop a rock from a sheer cliff and the rock is not affected by ANY of that mass, it falls vertically as anything else does. If evolution and gravity were true, both are taught as curriculum to children as dogmatic fact, we would have evolved as pancake people.
"As for Newton’s quote… have you never been around a magnet? They operate and affect other matter without mutual contact. We learn more every day… catch up."
We know how magnets work, we can put two magnets in close proximity and see the snap together. We can detect their fields. This is demonstrable. Not so with gravity. All we can demonstrate with gravity is that (most of the time) things fall vertically til they hit something more dense that it is. This means that up is always up, and down is always down. I've already proved the flat earth, last nail in the coffin is coming soon. A submarine in water sinks by taking the mass(air) away, add the mass (air) and it rises. Same with a balloon. It's called buoyancy, in air, and water.
"I send you two videos of the Cavendish experiment being replicated, but you say it’s never been replicated."
False.
You have given me some diagrams and some dumbells. Even if the experiment were performed millions of times, does this somehow give it statistical infallibility by numbers? That's an unusually weak argument. Any one of us, off the top of his head, could list a hundred instances where centuries of very smart people were completely wrong about a given “fact.” Most of us know that gravity is one of the biggest mysteries ever, but you're stuck to it like dogma. We see scientists in other centuries overthrowing ridiculous dogma and we cheer them, but we do not welcome the overthrow of our own dogma? You'll accept the new ideas from dead scientists at the drop of a dime, because the new is worn off. Why not welcome new ideas today? Have you gotten two attached to your new religion that you'd never even consider an alternative than what your science book says?
"Up is up and down is down doesn’t contradict the ball earth model"
Yes, yes it does. On a ball, there is no up or down, it's "relative".
"Red herring."
What is?
"So because we don’t fully understand it, it must be untrue?"
No. Because we are so limited on evidence for this, limited on knowledge AND the earth is flat, it can be untrue. You believe what you want, I could care less at this point.
"In the flat earth model, how do the sun and moon stay in the sky rather than coming down?"
There are theories. Mine is
Do your own research. Don't listen to me.
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"What about seasonal day length at the north pole."
What do you mean? The arctic midnight sun?
"And how come you are so certain that the Earth is flat."
I have measured it.
"What would the benefit be to N.A.S.A. in telling everyone that the Earth is spherical rather than flat."
The EDGE - Flat Earth Dome Firmament Discovery x Cover Up | THE COMPLETE STORY [by Feed Your Mind]:
"And are Roscosmos and all other space agencies colluding with N.A.S.A."
Obviously.
"Also. Can you explain what the Sun is and how it functions in your model.
Sorry. I haven't the time to plough through 18 pages."
There are theories. I think Tesla knew.
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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I did address the copies when I asked how you were supposed to take a clear picture of something 8,000 miles in diameter. Which you ignored, and didn't answer.
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Just gonna drop this right here on this anti-science post...
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haha
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On a random note I actually looked at it. Are you one of the globers obsessed with the flat Earth who pranced around about the eclipse today? Apparently.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
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Naw I've seen it before, and don't have an interest in seeing it again... I'm old. I'm about as obsessed with the flat earth as I am with religion, as soon as you people so will I.
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Hey @Coveny How would "time dilation" be effected with this experiment on this plane?
Here is my question?
If they detected time dilation on the plane flying 500 mph (or whatever speed they averaged?) over the earth, relative to another stationary atomic clock on earth, WHAT caused the clock on the plane to slow down?
Think about this first!
* The clock on the plane is stationary, for this clock, it is the clock on the ground that is moving.
* The clock on the ground is also stationary, and for this clock, the clock on the plane is moving.
No one has been able to answer me this yet, "what is causing the time to dilate on the plane, but not the one on the ground?"
If ANYONE can answer me this, I have a hundred more questions that will prove without a doubt the Bull-poo-poo of Einstein's "special relativistic effect!"
I can also "reveal" the , the magic trickery in Einstein's Special Relativistic effects with an experiment on a 10 speed bicycle.
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Things to KNOW
*The clock on the plane is moving(planet movement, and plane movement), AND the clock on the ground is moving(planet movement).
Moving faster causes time to slow down, the faster you move the more time slows, but the effects are miniscule for the speeds we can achieve. The tough question is why? Why does going faster affect time at all? How does it do it? Why is there this connection between the two? But then this is all about proving your books answers, and not about find THE answers isn't it?
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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From a bit of research you are taking Tyson's comment on protons out of context. His position is that because protons don't have mass they don't experience time, or as he put it time stops, and their travel is instantaneous. I'm not going to pretend I understand the physics involved, but it seems there is some debate on whether or not that's true as it may just be a matter of us not being able to observe/understand protons interaction with time yet. This is his opinion on the topic, and how it works, not scientific consensus. (scientist like to hypothesis as much as the rest of us.... maybe more so) I did not research it enough to know if his opinion is the leading opinion on the matter or not.
As for what is a light year: The distance that light travels in one earth year through a void/vacuum. So it's a measurement of distance like a mile or KM, but much larger. Each 93 million miles is an astronomical unit and there are 63,000 A.U. in a light year, or 5.88 trillion miles.
Any more questions?
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You just make it so easy to make you look like a fool.... ROFL
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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con·clu·sion
Why question after you have a conclusion? WHAT DO YOU MEAN. I will give you the benefit of the doubt, because I don't think you are actually that .
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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https://www.facebook.com/thelogicofscience/photos/a.1618699508361446.1073741828.1613889505509113/2027932000771526/?type=3&theater
Oh I see where you found this, oooooh
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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If you believe in creationism then you believe sky fairies created everything... but sky fairies which because they are so complex, powerful, and knowing they didn't need to be intelligently designed. ROFL
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Then he said: "I never said your arguments were religion based. You don't use science. pfft "
This is why I am, for the most part, ignoring you. I do use real science and logic to prove the plane, while you deny, lie and wriggle around with strawmen and an assortment of fallacies and nonsense.
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Faster? Faster relative to what?
I'm sure you agree that:
A. * The clock on the plane is stationary, for this clock, it is the clock on the ground that is moving.
B. * The clock on the ground is also stationary, and for this clock, the clock on the plane is moving.
The "faster" the plane moves, the faster the 'ground-clock' is moving away from the clock on the plane, and visa versa!
Speed is nothing but two objects "distancing" from each other, and it is all "relative", ..as in "relativity", so 'what' if I may ask is causing the time dilation on one clock, and NOT on the other?
"Why" is a tough question? You mean all them Sci-Fientist at NASA and CERN have never been able to figure it out yet?
Google - In 1905, Albert Einstein determined that the laws of physics are the same for all non-accelerating observers, and that the speed of light in a vacuum was independent of the motion of all observers. This was the theory of special relativity.
Say what? "the laws of physics are the same for all non-accelerating observers" ? Pease see A and B above, .. because according to the definition of relativity, all observers are stationary, or non-accelerating. For the guy sitting in a speeding train looking out, the guy sitting front of the Station is moving, and visa versa for the guy sitting front of the station, the guy sitting in the train is zooming by.
112 years after the Jew Einstein was forced to come up with an idea to defend the German BB-Evolutions no-Creator God Religion, and with NASA's 10 $Billion dollars a month income alone, employing the best scientists in the world, .. and neither CERN nor NASA has a team of scientists trying to figure it out? And you going to believe these people that they landed a Rover on a star called Mars??
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Warned? Warned about what? Are you threatening me or something?
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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You may be sure but I don't agree as previously stated. Neither clock is stationary when we talk at a universal level. But I will give you at a "relative level" if you are on the plane A is correct, and if you are on the ground B is correct.
The clocks don't need to move further apart or increase the distance for this effect to occur, that statement is erroneous.
Speed is not just two objects "distancing" from each other. Think of a drag car on a round race track if you need help visualizing this. Speed can be relative but that's a bit misleading. If I'm sitting in a train doing 300 mph, relative I'm stationery, but if the speed abruptly stops then I would feel the speed I hadn't felt before. Faster speed on one clock causes the time dilation.
Yes why is the tough question. That is correct they have not figured it out.
And now we are back to the faster part. Time dilation is a law/theory of physics (theory doesn't mean the same thing to scientists as what's used in common speech) so A and B both work just from different observers. No all observers are not stationary... where do you get this crap? This is getting beyond my knowledge levels but if you observer something while accelerating it seems to affect the laws of physics in some way, this would create no change on A and B. Viewing movement doesn't mean the laws of physics have been affected.
Einstein was forced? Where is your proof of this?
People have expanded and corrected Einsteins work in many ways, science has figured it out. Yes I'm going to believe they landed a rover on a PLANET called mars. I have much more proof for that than you do of your sky fairies.
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“If Michelson-Morley (experiment that failed) is wrong, then Relativity is wrong.” -Albert Einstein
“I have come to believe that the motion of the Earth cannot be detected by any optical experiment.” -Albert Einstein
“This conclusion directly contradicts the explanation…which presupposes that the Earth moves.” -Albert Michelson
“Go out on a starry night and walk alone for half an hour, resolutely assuming that the pre-Copernican astronomy (the earth is not moving, the sun & moon go around the earth) is true. Look up at the sky with that assumption in your mind. The real difference between living in that universe and living in ours will then, I predict, begin to dawn on you.” -C.S. Lewis
“The fool on the hill sees the sun going down and the eyes in his head see the world spinning around.” -John Lennon and Paul McCartney
“We are unreconstructed geocentrists hiding behind a Copernican veneer.” -Carl Sagan
“General Relativity has passed every solar-system test with flying colors. Yet so have alternative theories.” -Clifford Will
“Thus, general relativity brings about its own downfall by predicting singularities.” -Stephen Hawking
“I think that we shall have to get accustomed to the idea that we must not look upon science as a ‘body of knowledge,’ but rather as a system of hypotheses, or as a system of guesses or anticipations that in principle cannot be justified, but with which we work as long as they stand up to tests, and of which we are never justified in saying that we know they are ‘true’ or ‘more or less certain’ or even ‘probable.’ -Karl Popper
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
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