#AllLivesMatter vs. #BlackLivesMatter?

TTKDB

@Ampersand

"Are any of your hypotheticals ones where black lives don't matter? It doesn't seem so to me and therefore whatever point you are trying to make seems irrelevant. There is nothing wrong with declaring that black lives matter unless you believe that they don't."

If hypothetically speaking, an African American individual hurts another African American individual, them where would BLM fit into that conversation?
(Do you maybe view this question as relevant, or irrelevant?)


If hypothetically speaking, a Caucasian individual hurts another Caucasian individual, then where would BLM fit into that conversation?
(OR might you maybe view this question as relevant or irrelevant?)

If hypothetically speaking, a Caucasian police officer, while confronting a Caucasian offender, and the Caucasian offender was hurt, where would BLM fit into that conversation?
(Or might you maybe view this question as relevant or irrelevant?)

If hypothetically speaking, an African American police officer while confronting an the African American offender, and the African American offender was hurt, where would BLM fit into that conversation? 
(Or might you maybe view this question as relevant or irrelevant?)

Society as a whole matters, or doesn't it, regardless of race? 

(Or might you view the above statement as relevant or irrelevant?)

TTKDB

@WordsMatter

"well then still no I don't want this society free of all crime."

Have you expressed your point of view to the local police or the District Attorney? 

If you maybe have, did they offer any counter constructive advice to your points of view? 

"I don't see the personal use or sale of drugs as something that can be justly prosecuted."

I'm going to make a guess that you're maybe pro illegal drug oriented? 

"I don't believe it should be a crime to sell a loose cigarette. I'm ok with people who break those laws."

If the looseys are what you're maybe referring to? 

How do you get to pick and choose what laws that get to be broken verses not broken?

Couldn't your individual mindset be viewed as anti law to a degree? 

WordsMatter

@MayCaesar I don't think it's such a clear line as wrong actions lead to a good outcome. The way I see it is more similar to something like your house gets destroyed in a fire so you have to crash at a friend's while you find a new place and one of their friends comes through and you end up falling in love with them. It's more of a silver lining situation to me and similar to the business tactic of asking for more than you want so that in comparison what you really want is more reasonable and the other party is more likely to agree to it unlike if you just asked for that first.

Malcolm X didn't achieve any of the large goals that he set out too and he certainly caused more problems. However his ideas made MLK's ideas appear significantly more reasonable in comparison. I feel like if it wasn't for Malcolm X then those in power and the public at large would be less likely to work with MLK, who was an extremist himself being a socialist.

WordsMatter

@TTKDB if you want to understand where my views on breaking certain laws comes from, as well as how to decide which should be broken and which shouldn't, you should read the entirety of MLK "letter from a Birmingham jail"

However if you don't want to take the time to read it here is a summary. http://themoderatevoice.com/just-and-unjust-laws-according-to-dr-martin-luther-king-jr/

TTKDB

@WordsMatter

Tell me which laws that are on the books, deserve to be broken according to your individual mindset?

Because if your mindset may infringe on the rights of others, then how can others maybe go about placing themselves above the rights of others? 

WordsMatter

@TTKDB I've given you that answer in a post already and your second question is answered in the link I sent you and in MLK's letter. The idea that I propose here is nothing original nor new. This has been written about by various philosophers going all the way back to Rome. It is not my job to walk you through every little step of it when I have given you the toldt to research it yourself.

TTKDB

@WordsMatter:

You don't have to walk me through anything.

If you want to rationalize to yourself via your mindset, that this or that law deserves to be broken, then when an individual breaks a law, they deserve to be arrested for infringing on the rights others. 

MayCaesar

@TTKDB ;

The laws themselves often infringe on individual rights. Breaking them does not infringe on rights of others; it instead is an exercise of personal rights by the individual.

There was a law in Oregon all the way until January 2018 according to which people had no right to pump their own gas. People did it all the time anyway, because many gas stations featured either no personnel, or not enough personnel to service everyone in time. Should they be arrested for "infringing on the rights of others"? No, rather, the state officials who came up with such a law should be arrested for infringing on the rights of the citizens they serve.

Laws are made by humans, and humans have agendas that often have nothing to do with individual freedoms. It is only just to disrespect and sometimes ignore those laws that restrict our constitutional freedoms, simply because some officials decided that exercising those rights is "dangerous" for some reason.

There are laws in North Korea prohibiting any meaningful criticism of the government. If you seriously believe that arrests as a consequence of that law are justified, then perhaps you are not too different from the leadership of that country? That leadership, after all, believes that the laws are set in stone, and they are more important than any individual freedoms.

I have broken the law quite a few times in pretty much every country I have lived. In the US, it is illegal to cross a pedestrian crosswalk at a red light; I do it all the time when the crosswalk is short and there are no cars in the vicinity. Do you think I infringe on anyone's rights when I do so? If so, what exactly are those rights?

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There are many people who believe that the law should come first, and all other considerations second. It is a viable position to take, and many lawyers and judges interpret the law exactly that way. However, it would be unreasonable to say that this position necessarily coincides with the individual freedom values our country is built upon.

TTKDB

@WordsMatter

Are you a BLM supporter? 

Or are you a societal supporter of the United States, meaning that peaceful people don't deserve an offender committing crimes against those peaceful citizens?

Crimes like domestic violence and abuse? 

Crimes like sexual assualt, or battery?

Crimes like robberies, muggins, carjackings, abductions, gun violence of any type? 

Crimes like selling loosey cigarettes?

Crimes like an underaged weed user, enabling another underaged individual with weed for the first time?

Or maybe some other types of illegal drugs? 

In that instance, you have an underaged weed user, infringing on the rights of the parents, who may not want their kid or kids, being enabled with weed or the other illegal drugs?

When offenders break laws, they are placing their way of life above the lives of others, aren't they, yes or no? 

WordsMatter

@TTKDB I'm done conversing with you. You change the topic every single post

TTKDB

@WordsMatter

And I've asked you this question 5 times now; 

Are you a BLM supporter? 

And when an offender breaks a law, the offender is changing an innocent persons life or a families life forever aren't they? 

TTKDB

@WordsMatter

In the simplest terms based upon your mindset;

Are you pro offender minded? 

And if so, how is it fair for an offender to place themselves above the rest of society, by the crimes that they commit against others?

YeshuaBought

@Ampersand ! I NEVER said black lives matter, I said ALL lives matter. 

Polaris95

I feel like some people misunderstood my earlier point. I am saying that I definitely support the idea of All Lives Matter, and think judging people based on race is racist. However, I do not identify as part of the All Lives Matter movement, for the same reason I'm not part of the current feminist movement. Feminism wants to bring about gender equality, but devalues male-majority problems. Many proponents of All Lives Matter have also diminished problems faced by the black community, which I think is unfair. I just wanted to clear this up, because I DO think that judging based on race is absolutely racist, but I am still not part of the All Lives Matter movement.

AmericanFurryBoy

I agree with the statement ALM, but the movement was originally created as a sort of racist counter protest to the BLM movement. Please keep in mind that BLM is nowhere near innocent either.

TTKDB

@WordsMatter

"You can pull statistics that show all races suffer from police brutality but that doesn't lessen blm message or goals."

Where are you deriving your facts from?

Maybe the FBI.org website?

TTKDB

When Individual offenders refrain from committing their crimes, guess what?

They aren't creating victims out of the innocent people that they aren't affecting with their crimes then right? 

AmericanFurryBoy

@TTKDB
*FBI.gov

TTKDB

@AmericanFurryBoy

Sorry about that, yes it's the FBI.gov website.

MayCaesar

@Polaris95 ;

I think what you are talking about is the distinction between a movement, and a sentiment. It is very common to not be a part of some movement (as movements, by their very structure, necessarily pervert the original idea and lead to power-establishing goals and activities), but agree with the sentiment.

I can give my relationship with the hippie movement of 60-s as an example. I absolutely agree with the hippie sentiments and some of the practices, such as: the government and society are by nature oppressive and their influence must be challenged and diminished; the happiness is not as much in material things as it is in the inner world; harmony with nature is more natural than living among tall steel buildings; there is nothing shameful in sex and sexual attributes and they should be demonstrated openly; culture must be as decentralized and destructurized as possible, and everyone should have their own culture.

At the same time, I do not feel much in common with people choosing to wear dirty torn clothes, or to live in rusty old trucks in the middle of some desert. I resent marijuana, LSD, alcohol and other ways to alter one's state - I prefer to keep my mind clear. I do not have much in common with those who worship people such as Che Guevara, simply because they demolished the ruling power structure - even though in its stead they built a much more oppressive power structure. People who build a city in the middle of nowhere out of salvage and live there, doing nothing and just seeking "spiritual enlightenment" - these are not the people I would associate with.

I would readily call myself a hippie, and yet I would never say that the Hippie Movement is something I would get involved with.

In this sense, I would agree with you in that I support the "Black Lives Matter" and "All Lives Matter" sentiments - but I do not want to be a part of the respective movements, because they rarely practice what they preach.

piloteer

All lives don't matter, unless Black Lives Matter too! The reason BLM was started was because the "person" who killed Trayvon Martin got away with murder. Somehow, a jury believed that it was OK for a someone to walk up to a Black person and start a fight with him and then kill him when he tried to defend himself. If the justice system lets people get away with murdering Black people, then obviously an institution of racism exists. It doesn't seem like that jury thought BlackLivesMatter. If Black people can't be free, then YOU can't be free!

TTKDB

@piloteer

Everyday in the United States, innocent people are killed by offenders.

Of the same race, and of the opposite race.

Via the robberies, sexual assualt and battery, and assualt and battery, abductions, carjackings, domestic violence and abuse situations, mass shootings, murder/ suicides, some crimes over drugs or money, muggings, along with police officers being killed in the line of duty.

Day after day, year after year, a million plus crime get committed? 

If the offenders, regardless of race, commit a crime, it would appear that all of society is being victimized by the offenders via offender brutality via they committing their crimes against society then doesn't it? 

There are 300 million firearm's in the United States, where the United States population is roughly at 323-325 million? 

Maybe, society is as free of any crime, as long as any offender refrains from committing any of their crimes? 

When offenders refrain from committing their crimes, then society can be at it's freeist moments right? 

piloteer

@TTKDB

The secondary offenders in many of these cases would be the judges and juries who let murders of Black People go free! It's a perfect storm of racism. White supremacist murderers will be set free by white supremacist juries. 

TTKDB

@piloteer

"The secondary offenders in many of these cases would be the judges and juries who let murders of Black People go free! It's a perfect storm of racism. White supremacist murderers will be set free by white supremacist juries."

Are you a pro offender supporter?

Are you in a sense maybe trying to place one culture above the rest of society? 

Are you labelling the Judges and the juries of the United States of America as secondary offenders?

How do you get label them anything, when the Judges and the juries, when they aren't the ones hurting, harming, maiming, and killing innocent people like the offenders do year after year? 

piloteer

@TTKDB

The murders of Black People, and the judges and juries who let the murders go, are the people who place one culture above the rest. If you're trying to claim that BlackLivesMatter is putting their culture above all others, or that they're anti White, you're not going to be able to convince me. Their true goal is to bring attention to the institution of racism that STILL exists in our country. I'd tell you to ask Trayvon Martin his opinion on the matter, but he was murdered. But strangely enough, you don't have to visit a jail cell to ask george zimmerman his opinion. You can just direct a tweet at him, and he can freely respond.

It's simple, if you don't think BlackLivesMatter, then you're a racist. Nowhere on the BlackLivesMatter website does it say their agenda is to show that White lives don't matter. Many White People believe racism is a thing of the past and just relegated to people who live in swamps in Loisiana. If you believe that the judicial system is unbiased, then why do Black People get 20% longer sentences than White People do for the same crimes? https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing
The racism that is still apparent within our society is not just spewed by the backwood hicks of the bayou, it's embedded in the system from top to bottom. #BlackLivesMatter 

TTKDB

@piloteer

So when an African American offender hypothetically shoots and hurts another hypothetical African American, who might you blame for that African Americans offenders crime?

Who will get the blame for an African American on African American shooting crime? 

Can the above hypothetical crime be viewed maybe as any type of racism? 

TTKDB

@piloteer

"Many White People believe racism is a thing of the past and just relegated to people who live in swamps in Loisiana."

Can you provide any quotations from some Causation individuals, who stated your comment directly to you personally? 

A follow up question:

Say a Caucasian offender hypothetically shoots and hurts another Caucasian individual, who might you blame for that Caucasian offenders crime?

Who will get the blame for a Caucasian offenders shooting crime? 

Can the above hypothetical crime be viewed maybe as any type of racism? 

piloteer

@TTKDB

Ummm, what are you talking about, and why? Why are you trying to bring up hypothetical crimes in lieu of the real life crimes I've pointed out to you? Anybody who murders another person is a guilty offender, but for some reason the "justice" system in the US, often doesn't agree when a White offender murders a Black person. But if a Black offender commits a crime, you better believe they're gonna pay for it!!!!! Why have you skirted around my REAL LIFE scenario of how Black offenders get 20% of a longer prison sentence than White offenders who committed the same crime? You can throw Black on Black and White on White "scenarios" at me all day long, but it seems that when a White person murders a Black person, it's not that difficult for the White person to claim self defense, but when a Black person murders a White person, the verdict is predetermined!!!!! They're  gonna be guilty, and they'll get a 20% longer sentence. It should be called the American INjustice system. #BlackLivesMatter 

TTKDB

@piloteer

Ok, so if a black offender shoots and hurts another black citizen, who might you blame for that black offenders crime? 

Who will get the blame for a black on black shooting crime? 

Can the above crime be viewed maybe as any type of racism? 

Say a white citizens, shoots and hurts another white citizen, who might you blame for that white citizen crime?

Who will get the blame for a white offenders shooting crime? 

Can the above crime be viewed maybe as any type of racism? 

Each year a million plus crimes are committed each year, against others regardless of race.

Would you get upset if a "Society Matters" movement became a reality, and society was being representated by every culture in the United States at a rally in Washington DC? 

Or might you view such a "Society Matters" rally as a probable insult to your individual perception?

I saw the March for our lives rally in Washington DC, and every walk of life culture wise there, from as far as I could tell. 

I didn't see any racism, but I did see people fighting for people.

I saw kids fighting for kids. 

I saw kids coming together creating a shared coalition, working through their shared voices to help make society safer for each other and the rest of society as a hopeful whole.

piloteer

@TTKDB

Again, you refuse to confront my assertion that Black People get a 20% longer sentence than White People who've committed the same crime. Are you uncomfortable with confronting this fact, or are you comfortable with how the biased judicial system works? Another inconvenient fact for you is Black juveniles are disproportionately tried as adults. Trying juveniles as adults has proven to be ineffective when it comes to keeping juveniles out of the court system. "Studies by the U.S. Department of Justice, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and university researchers concur. “Transferring juveniles to the adult system is counterproductive as a strategy for preventing or reducing violence,” wrote the authors of one CDC analysis." The decision of trying a juvenile as an adult rests solely on the prosecutor! When juveniles are grouped in with adult offenders in prison, not only are they put into heightened danger, but also are exposed to a culture of criminality that raises there chances of returning to prison as an adult. Basically, trying juveniles as adults most often turns them into adult offenders.

To answer your superfluous question, if a White juvenile has committed a crime on another White person, that White juvenile is far less likely to be tried as an adult, therefore effectively minimizing their chance of being subjected to the culture of criminality that exists in adult prison. That culture of criminality has proven to make juvenile offenders into adult criminals. As I've said before, the choice of trying a juvenile as an adult rests solely on the prosecutor. Obviously if prosecutors are far more likely to try Black juveniles as adults, then the system is rigged for Black youths to fail.

To finish answering your redundant question. If a Black adult commits a crime on another Black adult, on average that person will get a 20% longer prison sentence than a White offender. With all these proofs in place, I have made it impossible for you to ignore the fact that the "justice" system in America is rigged for Black People to fail. You will either need to address these statistics, or concede your point. Black juveniles are far more likely to be tried as adults which helps to turn them into adult offenders. When Black adult offenders are sentenced, they'll receive a 20% longer sentence. The system is rigged to make sure Black People are predetermined to be institutionalized, and the process starts in their youth. This is the type of injustice that BlackLivesMatter is trying to draw attention to, which "AllLivesMatters" purposely fails to address!

#BlackLivesMatter!!!!!!!

TTKDB

@piloteer ;

"You will either need to address these statistics, or concede your point. Black juveniles are far more likely to be tried as adults which helps to turn them into adult offenders. When Black adult offenders are sentenced, they'll receive a 20% longer sentence. The system is rigged to make sure Black People are predetermined to be institutionalized, and the process starts in their youth. This is the type of injustice that BlackLivesMatter is trying to draw attention to, which "AllLivesMatters" purposely fails to address!"

So to your individual points of view, society doesn't matter?

A question, do you view your reitered BLM talking points as maybe more important than the lives lost in a mass shooting?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

The above information is why the, walk for our lives, rally in Washington DC took place.

I'm sorry that you apparently feel the way you do, via your individual points of view.

Seeing kids from nearly every culture, and walk of life, fighting for each other, and the others from the other parts of the country was an educational experience to see.

When innocent people are hurt or worse by gun violence, it affects society as a whole, does it not, regardless of race? 

Society matters, and if the March for our lives rally returns to Washington DC next year, I'll be going to it again.

George_Horse

Black Lives Matter is a group of uneducated, racist, liberal idiots who cry and know little of the actual problems facing the African-American communities in this country.  Black on black crime accounts for the highest percentage of black deaths in America, not law enforcement officers. Those events are extremely rare, and when they do happen, chaos erupts. When a unarmed white person is killed by the police, do we riot, loot, and set fire to things? Not at all. When a unarmed BLACK person is killed by the police, do blacks riot, loot, and set fire to things? In some cases, yes. Why? My assumption is that that is their perceived appropriate response when these unfortunate events occur. Do black lives matter? Of course not, but do the lives of every good innocent person matter? It most certainly does. 

WordsMatter

@George_Horse black lives matter also confronts the issue that when a black person is the victim of a crime, including black on black murder, less police resources are dedicated to solving the crime and it's less likely Justice comes for that victim of black on black crime. Black lives also don't matter when it comes to bringing them Justice, whether that be at the hands of the police or the hands of other black people. The group fights, albeit not in great ways, for Justice for black victims of crime. The black on black murder argument is a cop out because the point is black lives don't get Justice, not black lives are lost. When a black life is lost to the police, protests aren't held to bring that person back to life, or to put the police officer to death, but to bring Justice forth for the victim. So it applies in cases of black on black crime. 

Remember the Central Park 4 where even our president took out a full page NYT ad to bring the perpetrators to Justice? It turned out to be fake. What most people don't know is a black woman was found in NY City thrown from the roof of a building after being raped. No one cared, it was never solved. Disproportionate resources were allocated to those two cases in the same week. That's why black lives don't matter, because the rape and murder of a black woman recieves less attention and resources than the rape of a white woman. This shouldn't be a surprise seeing as the first full length film in America was birth of a Nation. 

piloteer

@George_Horse

Ummm no. Homicide accounts for 3% of Black American deaths, that percent is the total number of, so Black on Black homicides must be an even smaller percentage than that. It certainly is not the "highest percent of Black deaths in America"! The leading cause of death for Black Americans is heart disease which is 23.4% of Black American deaths. Second is cancer which is 21.3%! I'm not sure where you're getting your "information" from, but you might wanna toss a fact check on that ish. 
https://www.statista.com/statistics/233310/distribution-of-the-10-leading-causes-of-death-among-african-americans/

As I've pointed out before, Black juveniles are tried as adults at an absurdly higher percent than White juveniles who've committed the same crimes. The decision to try a juvenile as an adult is the prosecutors decision. Trying juveniles as adults has proven to be counterproductive when keeping juveniles out of the court system. It puts juveniles at risk because there put in general population with adult offenders, and it subjects them to a culture of criminality that influences them and puts them at greater risk of becoming adult offenders. That fact is true for Black and White offenders. On average, Black People get 20% longer prison sentences than White People who've committed the same crimes. It's difficult to argue that the system is not disproportionately biased against BlackPeople!

AllLivesMatters does not address this disproportionate treatment of Black People in the biased justice system! BlackLivesMatter does! BLM is trying to draw attention to people like you who think they know all about the actual problems facing the African American communities in this country, because unless you are an African American yourself, I fail to see how you would have any idea about that. I'm not sure if you didn't check what you wrote, or if you actually don't think BlackLivesMatter, (because that is literally what your post says)but BlackLivesMatter is trying to draw attention to the institution of racism that still exists in our country. 

TTKDB

@WordsMatter

Can you please answer the below questions? 

So to your individual points of view, society doesn't matter?

A question, do you view your reiterated BLM talking points as maybe more important than the lives lost in a mass shooting?

Did you read the information from Wikipedia; List of school shootings in the United States? 

The above information is why the, walk for our lives, rally in Washington DC took place.

I'm sorry that you apparently feel the way you do, via your individual points of view.

Seeing kids from nearly every culture, and walk of life, fighting for each other, and the others from the other parts of the country was an educational experience to see.

When innocent people are hurt or worse by gun violence, it affects society as a whole, does it not, regardless of race? 

Society matters, and if the March for our lives rally returns to Washington DC next year, I'll be going to it again. 

And could you please answer the below questions as well? 

Would you get upset if a "Society Matters" movement became a reality, and society was being representated by every culture in the United States at a rally in Washington DC? 

Or might you view such a "Society Matters" rally as a probable insult to your individual perception?

I saw the March for our lives rally in Washington DC, and every walk of life culture wise there, from as far as I could tell. 

I didn't see any racism, but I did see people fighting for people.

I saw kids fighting for kids. 

I saw kids coming together creating a shared coalition, working through their shared voices to help make society safer for each other and the rest of society as a hopeful whole. 

TTKDB

@WordsMatter

So your silent response to the questions posed to you, garnered the (Irrelevant) symbol?

So, in regards to your silent response, I'm guessing that your individual BLM points of view matter more to you than society does, regardless of race? 

And your BLM points of view, are more important as well, than the lives lost in a mass shooting? 

And I'm guessing as well that you would get upset if a "Society Matters" movement became a reality, and society was being represented by every culture in the United States at a rally in Washington DC? 

Or might you view such a "Society Matters" rally as a probable insult to your individual perception?

Are you maybe a member of the BLM movement? 

George_Horse

piloteer said:

@George_Horse

Ummm no. Homicide accounts for 3% of Black American deaths, that percent is the total number of, so Black on Black homicides must be an even smaller percentage than that. It certainly is not the "highest percent of Black deaths in America"! The leading cause of death for Black Americans is heart disease which is 23.4% of Black American deaths. Second is cancer which is 21.3%! I'm not sure where you're getting your "information" from, but you might wanna toss a fact check on that ish. 
https://www.statista.com/statistics/233310/distribution-of-the-10-leading-causes-of-death-among-african-americans/

As I've pointed out before, Black juveniles are tried as adults at an absurdly higher percent than White juveniles who've committed the same crimes. The decision to try a juvenile as an adult is the prosecutors decision. Trying juveniles as adults has proven to be counterproductive when keeping juveniles out of the court system. It puts juveniles at risk because there put in general population with adult offenders, and it subjects them to a culture of criminality that influences them and puts them at greater risk of becoming adult offenders. That fact is true for Black and White offenders. On average, Black People get 20% longer prison sentences than White People who've committed the same crimes. It's difficult to argue that the system is not disproportionately biased against BlackPeople!

AllLivesMatters does not address this disproportionate treatment of Black People in the biased justice system! BlackLivesMatter does! BLM is trying to draw attention to people like you who think they know all about the actual problems facing the African American communities in this country, because unless you are an African American yourself, I fail to see how you would have any idea about that. I'm not sure if you didn't check what you wrote, or if you actually don't think BlackLivesMatter, (because that is literally what your post says)but BlackLivesMatter is trying to draw attention to the institution of racism that still exists in our country. 

Black lives matter opposes Trump, and conservative ideas. They don't care about the facts, and they oppose law enforcement, obviously you have conducted little research to see their other side. Your argument fails to convince me otherwise, I would say "nice try" in your attempt. Always cracks me up whenever someone states that "all lives matter" the hooligans grow insane or chaotic. I know enough to oppose those idiots, and you being you would support them, quite a shame. 

WordsMatter

@TTKDB you read significantly to far into everything. Take a breather

TTKDB

@WordsMatter ;

"you read significantly to far into everything. Take a breather"

Are you maybe a member of the BLM movement? 

Yes or no? 

TTKDB

@WordsMatter

And you've reiterated heavily over and over again with your BLM points of view.

#SocietyMatters.

TKDB

@WordsMatter

How many police officers have been killed this year by offenders? 

How many innocent people have been killed this year by offenders in mass shootings? 

What BLM talking points might you utilize to answer the above questions? 

I wonder if "WordsMatter" and "piloteer" are maybe the same person? 

WordsMatter

@TKDB I really enjoy your posts, they give me a chuckle. What's with the new account?

TTKDB

@WordsMatter

Why can't you respond to the below questions? 

Or maybe you're being directed by your BLM talking points, and you don't know exactly how to respond to them?

And this response from you is the best that you can do? 

 "I really enjoy your posts, they give me a chuckle."

How many police officers have been killed this year by offenders?

The below is the information to the question that I posed to you

http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/

"Preliminary 2018 Law Enforcement Officer Fatalities 

January 1 through November 30, 2018 vs. January 1 through November 30, 2017

	2018	2017	% Change
Total Fatalities	128	122	+5%
Firearms-related	49	43	+14%
	45	43	+5%
	34	36	-6%
Please note: These numbers reflect total officer fatalities comparing January 1 through November 30, 2018 vs. January 1 through November 30, 2017

2018 Fatalities by State

California	10
Texas	10
Florida	9
New York	9
North Carolina	7
South Carolina	5
Georgia	4
Indiana	4
Louisiana	4
Mississippi	4
Ohio	4
Kansas	3
Kentucky	3
Michigan	3
Missouri	3
Pennsylvania	3
Alabama	2
Arizona	2
Colorado	2
Connecticut	2
Illinois	2
Maryland	2
Massachusetts	2
Minnesota	2
New Jersey	2
Oklahoma	2
Utah	2
Washington	2
Wisconsin	2
Hawaii	1
Idaho	1
Maine	1
Nevada	1
Oregon	1
Tennessee	1
Virginia	1"

How many innocent people have been killed this year by offenders in mass shootings? 

What BLM talking points might you utilize to answer the above questions? 

Again are you a BLM member? 

WordsMatter

@TTKDB I'm not answering the questions because it's entertaining watching you progressively take it further and not giving up.

TTKDB

@WordsMatter

"I'm not answering the questions because it's entertaining watching you progressively take it further and not giving up."

So your BLM talking points are more important to you, then the lives of the innocent people who have been slain in the United States this year alone? 

A probable reality about you is this, you lack the BLM talking points to properly respond to the above questions? 

Because you're individually entertained by watching what I say? 

Being that apparently innocent people are slain year after year, and before BLM existed, what talking points would you use to answer the previously asked questions that have been posed in your direction? 

If you didn't have your BLM talking points to rely on? 

TTKDB

@WordsMatter

Maybe your other name is Joeseph? 

TTKDB

@WordsMatter

So you're really @Joeseph?

And you're a BLM member? 

piloteer

@George_Horse

 It sounds to me like you have some convincing statistics that could undermine the findings from the CDC, and the US Sentencing Committee. I'd love to hear it, I'm sure it's scintillating!?!? Usually when someone claims that the person they're debating has "conducted little research", they usually try to back it up with some convincing evidence. I mean, even the flat-earthers are able to come up with SOMETHING!!! So far, you're one step below them. Maybe try coming back later when you come up with something. So far your argument is non-existent.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who supports trump or the Republicans, is as socialist as they come. Tiny Tim was probably more conservative than trump. When someone supports the idea that we must pay taxes to keep Black People institutionalized, without any thought of the cost to said taxpayers, they're not a conservative, they're a socialist. I think you have "conducted little research" into what conservatism actually is. If you're getting your information from alex jones, than what you consider conservatism is laughable to me. Both major parties are socialist. I fail to see how you think you can consider yourself any different. 

@TTKDB

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought this debate was about BlackLivesMatter vs AllLivesMatters, not mass shootings. If you'd like to discuss mass shootings, perhaps you should start a debate regarding that, and maybe people will post their opinions on that, but it's entirely irrelevant here. If you want to discuss the statistics properly, let's discuss the fact that a higher percentage of Black People lose their lives to homicide than White People. Did the "walk for our lives" rally cover that topic? If not, who is it that should be discussing these issues? What other social organization is covering the injustice for Black People in the American "justice" system? Who else will bring up the fact that racism isn't just people's hatred toward other races, it's a part of the judicial system? I do commend you for your involvement in the walk for our lives rally and I certainly understand your concern regarding mass shootings, but that doesn't mean that we should be ignoring the issues that Black People are facing. The issues that Black People are facing, are all our issues, and that's the strongest message BlackLivesMatter is trying to send. If Black People can be subjugated and oppressed, then we can ALL be subjugated and oppressed! The Black Peoples struggle is all of America's struggle. 

#BlackLivesMatter 

MayCaesar

Here is an interesting plot to think about:



There is a reason race should be thrown out of equation when championing for any sort of human right guarantees. When we start focusing on races, we come to very unpleasant and unreasonable conclusions.

For example, this plot shows that in terms of physical violence, whites are much more oppressed by blacks, than blacks are oppressed by whites. Should we create an organization called "White Lives Matter" to attract the public attention to this problem? No. This is not a self-contained problem; this problem shows a much bigger trend, tracing back to the colonial times. The core of this problem is how people see each other, how much of a role old stereotypes play in the modern society.

Many whites do not trust blacks; many blacks do not trust whites. The only way to remedy this is to remove the concepts of "whites" and "blacks" from equation; to start treating everyone equally. To attract equal attention of the public to every instance of police violence, regardless of races, genders, ages, religions, etc. involved. A black person is killed by a white police officer - demonstrate and demand investigation. A white person is killed by a black police officer - demonstrate and demand investigation. And in every case, make it about people involved, not about races or other irrelevant constructs.

The racial trends are important to note and take into account. What is wrong, however, is to perpetuate them by attracting attention to them and making it all about race. What needs to be done is this: "This is the trend we have. We must stop judging each other by race, so this trend does not continue". Which is the exact opposite of: "This is the trend we have. Let us defend race X from the wrath of race Y!"

TTKDB

@piloteer

If an offender is arrested for a mass shooting, a murder, a  robbery, domestic violence and abuse, hit and run, abductions, arson, buglary, a drive by shooting where the stray rounds from a weapon killed an innocent person inside of their own home, or enabling an adult, or an underaged individual with illegal drugs and or alcohol.

The truth is, any individual regardless of race, if they are found guilty in a court of law got into trouble all by themselves.

They committed their crimes, and before committing their crimes, could have walked away from their self created situation anytime that they wanted to beforehand.

So blaming the POTUS, or blaming this or that political party, is a huge grasping at straws excuse maker.

Why can't any offender regardless of race, be able to shoulder their own self created trouble, without seeking this or that individual or political party to place their troubles on? 

See, society to some doesn't matter.

An individual breaking the laws that they choose to break, is how they view society.

Society to some, is about making society put up with, and live with their individual abuses of the various laws in this country. 

In other words, abusing the various laws instead of abiding by them, is what society means to some.