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I find it stunning, that none of the anti Atheist individuals thus far, aren't running to defend Mr. Craig , and his anti Atheist argument?
After all isn't, "Atheism Ever Child Abuse?"
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I'm sorry, why shouldn't some parents, be offended when the read this as a question?
"Is Atheism Ever Child Abuse?"
Shouldn't there be some kind of EVIDENCE to support such a claim, so that the Atheist parents can be educated on the anti Atheists points of view?
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@ZeusAres42
I'm not sure, but can the Athiest mindset, in a sense, maybe be viewed, as a probable type of child abuse?
What are your thoughts, Dee, and ZeusAres42?
After all isn't, "Atheism Ever Child Abuse?"
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I’m merely mirroring TK’s arguments Z , it amuses me
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So what is the truth, can the Athiest mindset be capable of child abuse?
@Dee
Can the Athiest mindset be capable of child abuse.
It's not a hard question.
@ZeusAres42
Because the below is an example of your individual thinking, isn't it?
(But the above statement, is a statement, that you created, right?)
What question is a question, that has been explored before, by the Theists, and the Athiests?
Is this the statement, that you are referring to?
"Is Religion ever child abuse?"
So if I Google the above question, how many websites will become available, besides debate island?
Can you provide legitimate links to those other respectful and mature Athiests, and Thiests websites, because I'm sure, that myself and millions of other's would like to educate ourselves on your provided links?
Maybe from the United States, or the United Kingdom as well?
If some were to Google:
"Is Athiesm ever child abuse?"
How many websites will become available?
Quite a few are available, did you know that @ZeusAres42?
https://www.atheists.org/2018/04/update-regarding-david-silverman/
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You say ....
Can the Athiest mindset be capable of child abuse.
It's not a hard question.
My reply .....
Can the Christian mindset be capable of child abuse.
It's not a hard question, ask Lane Craig to answer for you if you want?
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Sorry Z , I get it now ....How are you today?" And you respond with "Have you got any evidence to back up that claim."
That made me laugh that sounds exactly like something T K would ask
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@ZeusAres42
Where is your respectful and mature answer?
@ZeusAres42
So what is the truth, can the Athiest mindset be capable of child abuse?
@Dee
Can the Athiest mindset be capable of child abuse.
It's not a hard question.
@ZeusAres42
Because the below is an example of your individual thinking, isn't it?
(But the above statement, is a statement, that you created, right?)
What question is a question, that has been explored before, by the Theists, and the Athiests?
Is this the statement, that you are referring to?
"Is Religion ever child abuse?"
So if I Google the above question, how many websites will become available, besides debate island?
Can you provide legitimate links to those other respectful and mature Athiests, and Thiests websites, because I'm sure, that myself and millions of other's would like to educate ourselves on your provided links?
Maybe from the United States, or the United Kingdom as well?
If some were to Google:
"Is Athiesm ever child abuse?"
How many websites will become available?
Quite a few are available, did you know that @ZeusAres42?
https://www.atheists.org/2018/04/update-regarding-david-silverman/
"News & Blog
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"Sorry Z , I get it now ....How are you today?" And you respond with "Have you got any evidence to back up that claim."
That made me laugh that sounds exactly like something T K would ask"
And the public, has seen what you bring to the conversation table?
Unless, you don't have a counter argument either, to bring to the table in regards to Religion, or Athiesm in regards to child abuse?
(You say ....
Can the Athiest mindset be capable of child abuse.
It's not a hard question.)
Because the below is your reply:
From Dee: "My reply .....
Can the Christian mindset be capable of child abuse.
It's not a hard question, ask Lane Craig to answer for you if you want? "
@Dee
Where is your respecful, and mature answer?
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Can an Athiest minded individual be capable of child abuse?
The answer is yes.
Just like an Religious minded individual can be capable of child abuse.
Because Religious parents have been incarcerated for their abuse, and that's the truth.
But Religion in general, No.
And the Athiest ideology in general, No.
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However, yes it is plausible that an Atheist individual could be a person that is also a child abuser; no one is disputing that.
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I answered the question for you.
@ZeusAres42
So what is the truth, can the Atheist mindset be capable of child abuse?
No, but an atheist minded individual is capable of child abuse.
Can the Religious mindset be capable of child abuse?
No, but the religious minded individual is capable of child abuse.
"I don't know if you realize this yet or not but you're quote here is pretty much in agreement with my most previous post."
@ZeusAres42
No, because your opinion appears to be anti RELIGION minded, if a religious individual abuses a child, yes, or no?
"which does make me wonder if you just like to make arguments against people for the sake of it. It also makes no sense here that what you're saying is in agreement with my previous post and yet you disagree with it? Anyway, as for Atheism that is not an adopted belief system; it is more of a lack of belief. This is also epitomized in its etymology.
Let me guess, you're psychology student?
However, yes it is plausible that an Atheist individual could be a person that is also a child abuser; no one is disputing that."
@ZeusAres42
You make debating difficult from the platform of your individual mindset.
You appear to be playing games, and then you're having a chat with @Dee at the same time, during the posts?
I debate any issue, from how an argument is presented.
I also disagree, with some who go out of their debating way, to verbally express, about making fun of an individual, while a debate is going on either, like some have, especially from the platforms of being mature, and respectful?
I don't understand that debating style.
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A 1998 Duke University Medical Center study found that religiously active people are 40% less likely to have high blood pressure.
A 1997 Duke University Medical Center showed religious people have a stronger immune system, low levels of interleukin-6, an inflammatory protein in the immune system linked to certain cancers, autoimmune diseases, and some viral infections.
A 1999 Duke University Medical Center study found attending religious services more than once a week has been linked to an additional seven years of life, compared to those who never go.
A 2009 American Medical Association study showed stronger resilience from advanced-stage cancers during treatment.
Happier With Better Ethics
A 2010 study in the American Sociological Review religious people are more happier and score higher in terms of life-satisfaction than non-believers plus strong social bonds
Religious people are more forgiving and show more gratitude.
Kids has been shown to result in less juvenile delinquency, less drug use including less smoking, better school attendance, and a higher probability of graduating from high school.
Adults who regularly attend religious services also commit fewer crimes, less likely to end up on welfare and unemployed.
People who are regular religious attendees give more money to charity than other people, which does much good in their communities.
A 1998 study published in the American Journal of Psychiatry, older patients who suffered from depression recovered better from their mental struggles if religion was an intrinsic part of their lives.
A 2010 study showed religious persons handled worry feelings better, soothed anxiety associated with making mistakes, and dealt with setbacks more gracefully.
Just to name a few.
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Links to actual studies would've been nice, you're just name dropping at the moment...
But that's ok, as it can be demonstrated that those benefits are not of religious origin...
1. On a global scale, it is statistically demonstrable that the more religion is important in a country, the more poverty and sickness are important factors...
The claim that religious people are healthier does not stand up when we compare secular countries with religious ones.
2. Now, if we compare citizen of the same country, like say the US, it is true that religious people do seem to be healthier than their more secular compatriots... Researchers at Duke University did found that religious rituals function as an anti-stress mechanism (link). They demonstrated that individual prayer, as well as church services, reduce blood pressure... But they do conclude (see prior link) that "Much more research is needed to understand how these relationships operate (religious involvement and mental and physical health) and whether they are causal."
Fact is, any practice that lowers blood pressure on a regular basis, whether it is pleasant social interactions with friends, or physical exercise, reduces the risk of heart disease... Religion is not needed to get those benefits... Prayers and rituals have their secular counterparts that may produce the same stress-management benefits. Secular meditation counteracts stress in much the same way as prayer, according to experiments.
The fact that religion use meditating techniques (prayers, rituals, etc), doesn't make those techniques religious...
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Do you have any information, on how the anti religious mindset, might affect an individuals health, or those individuals around an anti religious mindset?
After watching a few of the video's with Mr. Richard Dawkins, explaining his opinions, some of the others around himself, who don't share his mindset, appear to be frustrated, and uncomfortable with his word's, in regards to his anti religious platform?
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Thats a good idea I must start reporting and flagging him as he’s possibly the most dishonest debater on site. I bet he starts asking you about Dawkins next
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You created this forum:
Is Religion Ever Child Abuse?
And I'm sorry to pose this question, but why shouldn't some parents, maybe be offended when they, read this as a statement?
"Is Religion Ever Child Abuse?"
Shouldn't there be some kind of evidence, to support such a statement?
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And reiterating my previous point:
I'm sorry, but why shouldn't some parents, maybe be offended when they, read this as a statement?
"Is Religion Ever Child Abuse?"
Shouldn't there be some kind of evidence to support such a claim, so that the Religious parents can be educated on the expressed statement?
@Dee
Where is your evidence to support your individual statement?
"he’s possibly the most dishonest debater on site."
The below is my position:
(I don't care if an individual is Athiest, Theist, Christian, or Muslim, or what have you?
I'm pro humanity, pro family, and anti hate minded.
And its easier to be abusive, and it's easier to hate, than it is, to leave people alone, who haven't done anything to others, by going after their individual religious preferences, and are being peaceful towards their own families, and the humanity around them.)
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You’re dishonest , deceitful , a and a coward of spectacular proportions
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"My reply .....Every one of your infantile posts will verify the veracity of my words."
(Can an Athiest minded individual, be capable of child abuse?)
The above is an infantile post?
@Dee
(I'm sorry, but why shouldn't some parents, maybe be offended when they, read this as a statement?
"Is Religion Ever Child Abuse?"
Shouldn't there be some kind of evidence to support such a claim, so that the Religious parents can be educated on the expressed statement?)
The above is an infantile post?
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Furthermore, questions are meant to be read as questions; not statements. If you read a question as a statement then I can only infer that you most likely have difficulty I
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The above is an infantile post?
My reply ....It is like all your posts , but I cannot expect anything else from an
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"The trouble with your reasoning here is that this isn't a statement. It's a question that invites discussion."
Furthermore, questions are meant to be read as questions; not statements. If you read a question as a statement then I can only infer that you most likely have difficulty in differentiating between questions and statements."
There isn't any difficulty.
https://wikidiff.com/statement/question
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" is that question is to ask questions of; interrogate; enquire; ask for information while statement is to provide an official document of a proposition, especially in the uk a statement of special educational needs. "You posed a set of word's, with a question mark at the end of it?
"Is Religion Ever Child Abuse?"
I was merely replying to the question, that you presented?
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"My reply ....It is like all your posts , but I cannot expect anything else from an ."
Re-asking you the same questions, that your above response apparently avoided?
@Dee
"My reply .....Every one of your infantile posts will verify the veracity of my words."
Again, can you please answer the question?
(Can an Athiest minded individual, be capable of child abuse?)
Is the above an infantile post?
@Dee
(I'm sorry, but why shouldn't some parents, maybe be offended when they, read this as a statement?
"Is Religion Ever Child Abuse?"
Shouldn't there be some kind of evidence to support such a claim, so that the Religious parents can be educated on the expressed statement?)
The above is an infantile post?
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I'm basing my argument, on what I've experienced, through my own experiences.
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I'm basing my argument, on what I've experienced, through my own experiences.
And I'm basing my argument as well on your forum question:
"Is Religion Ever Child Abuse?"
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I would like to thank you for keeping this debate on topic. We may not always agree with each other but at least you have the human decency to actually have a discussion about the actual topic as opposed to continue to troll the debate portraying someone else as a bad person.
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https://www.debate.org/opinions/should-the-indoctrination-of-children-into-religion-be-considered-child-abuse
"Should the indoctrination of children into religion be considered child abuse?"
One of the responses from the participants:
"Would parents teach their young child to have a particular political bias?
How weird it would be to expect to have a deep political discussion with an 8 year old. So why should we unquestioningly expect that same child to critically analyse his/her fundamental religious beliefs? By all means, Talk about what you feel is right for you as an adult. . . But allow the child to make his/her own mind up. And for that to happen. . ."
Here's your forum question:
"Is Religion Ever Child Abuse:
And my response to your posed question:
(And I'm sorry to pose this question, but why shouldn't some parents, maybe be offended when they, read this as a statement?)
"Is Religion Ever Child Abuse?"
(Shouldn't there be some kind of evidence, to support such a statement?)
What might be wrong, in asking for some evidence to support your question?
And your statements, that followed your question:
@ZeusAres42
I've been to various Religious buildings, and have yet to see, or hear about, any child abuse, in regards to how you went about formulating your question.
My position is that various individuals have abused children, but no Religion, that I'm familiar with, had anything, to do with those individual abusers actions.
Because, I have yet to hear anything from any of the news media outlets, express to the public, about such a happening.
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Hey thanks for your photo T K got one of the wife?
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I disagree with your question, that is the theme of this forum.
I've been to various Religious buildings, and have yet to see, or hear about, any child abuse, in regards to how you went about formulating your question.
My position is that various individuals have abused children, but no Religion, that I'm familiar with, had anything, to do with those individual abusers actions.
Because, I have yet to hear anything from any of the news media outlets, express to the public, about such a happening?
So no, Religion, isn't ever child abuse, being that individuals have committed the crimes, of child abuse, and Religion had nothing to do with it.
There isn't a single court case situation, where Religion, is or has been incarcerated for child abuse, along with the guilty child abusers.
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"Is Religion Ever Child Abuse?"
No matter the age, gender, socioeconomic status, education or ethnicity, anyone can become a victim of abuse.
https://www.healthyplace.com/abuse/abuse-information/types-of-abuse-what-are-the-different-forms-of-abuse
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"No matter the age, gender, socioeconomic status, education or ethnicity, anyone can become a victim of abuse."
"Without a separation of church and state how are you making the determination that those who appose you in debate are none religious, maybe they simple attack a religion that attacks them?"
I haven't been attacked by Religion.
@John_C_87
Have you maybe, been attacked by Religion?
What does my comment, have to do, with your mentioning, of the "Separation of Church and State?"
(I'm sorry, but why shouldn't some parents, maybe be offended when they, read this as a statement?)
"Is Religion Ever Child Abuse?"
Maybe some, are quietly trying to figure out how to lobby, for the (Separation of Religion from the artificial State of the Internet?)
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Fact is, any practice that lowers blood pressure on a regular basis, whether it is pleasant social interactions with friends, or physical exercise, reduces the risk of heart disease... Religion is not needed to get those benefits... Prayers and rituals have their secular counterparts that may produce the same stress-management benefits.
I believe you are right. I think the word to focus on is practice.
Any practice is good.
But without religion, practice is sure to dissipate. People will no longer be required to practice stress-reducing procedures and study quality building information.
The motivation in a nonreligious person and a religious person is vast.
Hence the term "religious".
If you want to say someone practices constantly you can use the term he is "religious".
Would you study religion if the whole world was nonreligious?
Fewer people practicing forgiveness, less practice of gratitude.
This would greatly affect the social society.
Please imagine the world nonreligious.
Without religion, significantly fewer marriages would occur
Without religion, exponentially more abortions would occur
I expect women to get to the point where having a baby would be Taboo
Also, more stemcell technology would occur.
Extended life would become the main priority.
Without religion, more juvenile delinquency would occur.
More school shootings, more drug use, less school attendance, and lower academics.
Without religion, more crimes, welfare, and unemployed results in even more crimes.
Higher education would be nonexistent.
Religious education institutions account for 80% of colleges.
https://www.encyclopedia.com/education/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/colleges-and-universities-religious-affiliations
Without religion, practically no gratitude would occur, which would build a more practical society.
If it doesn't benefit the person they would not do it.
Without religion, 64% of impoverished people would die of starvation.
You fall on hard times 36% chance of bouncing back.
This number would reduce since nonreligious people mentally cannot deal with failure, worry more on mistakes, and are not as resilient.
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/5895/3f295883fc08629f15b6d4c9c5ca125eeea7.pdf
https://www.freedommag.org/issue/201501-religion/a-day-without-religion.html
More wars without compromise.
I mean you really start to see reality in a fiction post-apocalyptic eras.
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