Based on some stories I have heard about the kind of punishment the elder generations experienced with regard to what was known as corporal punishment I cannot help but view this as child abuse. There are also multiple research studies on how corporal punishment is ineffective and ultimately detrimental to a child's development.
What do you think?
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I've heard, various adults express, that giving a child, an appropriate spanking, helped to get their attitude problem, sorted out.
Why should the rest of society have to put up with an intolerant child, because a parent, neglected to discipline their intolerant acting child, while they were raising them, to begin with?
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In the past, wives were just as disciplined with violence. Luckily, we are past that, at least, as people finally realised that, perhaps, "I love you, honey" is incompatible with beatings. Strangely enough, they have difficulty applying the same common sense to interaction with their children.
I am fairly strict in this regard; if I hear that my good friend spanks his/her child regularly, he/she ceases to be my good friend. But I generally associate with people who are a little bit better at parenting than this, so this never comes up.
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But we can ask the question, is it a good idea to subject children to pain, violence and humiliation as a good way to encourage healthy emotional development and good behavior?? I don't think so...
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@MayCaesar
Gun violence is child abuse.
Bullying is child abuse.
Domestic violence, and spouse abuse, is child abuse.
The Illegal immigrants bringing kids, into the U.S. illegally, is child abuse.
Those drug addict parents, using drugs around their own kids, and families, is child abuse.
Pregnant mothers who use marijuana while they are carrying a baby, is child abuse.
17-19 year olds, killing kids, and students, with guns, is child abuse.
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Are you also referring to schools when talking about corporal punishment being legal?
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Excuse me. What makes you think I did not raise thiem properly.
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I would argue lazy parents are the ones who use spanking as their goto punishment. It takes a lot more work to put a child in time out and make sure they follow through on an alternative punishment. Then it is to just smack them.
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Disobidiant children do need punishment. I don't disagree. All children should have boundries. My children would attest to the fact that they had boundries and I was very often accused of being strict by some people. I am proud to say I was able to accomplish re-enforcing those boundries without resorting to spanking. It took more work and patients then just spanking them would have but it worked just the same without them resorting to violence.
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@ZeusAres42
@MayCaesar
@Plaffelvohfen
Is giving an intolerant child, a spanking, corpral punishment?
I've heard, various adults express, that giving a child, an appropriate spanking, helped to get their attitude problem, sorted out.
Why should the rest of society have to put up with an intolerant child, because a parent, neglected to discipline their intolerant acting child, while they were raising them, to begin with?
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And I have heard that giving an adult an appropriate beating can sometimes fix their drinking problem. Only I do not walk around beating people who appear to be drunk, because it justly is considered a violation of human rights, and I will be apprehended if I try to do so.
For some reason, however, the rights of children, the most vulnerable humans of all, are often ignored in this regard. Parents treat their children as their property, and throw a fit every time someone tells them that they should change their parenting habits.
I was lucky in that I had a loving family, where violence was not a thing. Oh, I was a very misbehaving kid. But my parents found ways to reach out to me without losing their cool. They would talk to me, make me aware of my psychology and explain why what I was doing was not a good idea.
I will never apply violence to anyone, for any reason, other than to defend someone from violence. Violence is the last resort, when everything else has failed to work. Violence is not an answer when you have not even tried anything else; it is instead a manifestation of one's laziness and immaturity, their inability to deal with their emotions. And if you cannot deal with your own emotions, then what business do you have tackling your child's?
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I'm pro family, pro Public safety, and pro law.
So why not pose your questions, to the below offending abusers?
Gun violence is child abuse.
(What about those kids rights?)
Bullying is child abuse.
(What about those kids rights?)
Domestic violence, and spouse abuse, is child abuse.
(What about those kids rights?)
The Illegal immigrants bringing kids, into the U.S. illegally, is child abuse.
(What about those kids rights?)
Those drug addict parents, using drugs around their own kids, and families, is child abuse.
(What about those kids rights?)
Pregnant mothers who use marijuana while they are carrying a baby, is child abuse.
(What about those kids rights?)
17-19 year olds, killing kids, and students, with guns, is child abuse.
(What about those kids rights?)
I mentioned to you the above, and you didn't raise a single counter argument to any of them, yet, the below from you is your apparent preception?
"For some reason, however, the rights of children, the most vulnerable humans of all, are often ignored in this regard. Parents treat their children as their property, and throw a fit every time someone tells them that they should change their parenting habits.
I was lucky in that I had a loving family, where violence was not a thing. Oh, I was a very misbehaving kid. But my parents found ways to reach out to me without losing their cool. They would talk to me, make me aware of my psychology and explain why what I was doing was not a good idea.
I will never apply violence to anyone, for any reason, other than to defend someone from violence. Violence is the last resort, when everything else has failed to work. Violence is not an answer when you have not even tried anything else; it is instead a manifestation of one's laziness and immaturity, their inability to deal with their emotions. And if you cannot deal with your own emotions, then what business do you have tackling your child's?"
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So your argument is, "Spanking is not the only form of child abuse, hence it is okay"? It is not a very strong one, you realise.
As for kids brought to the US illegally, they are actually better off this way, than if they stayed back in their home countries. Do you know what life in Haiti or Gonduras is like? Nobody would wish to grow up there over the US. The kids are incredibly lucky that their parents choose to go through unbelievable sacrifices in order to give them a better childhood than they themselves had.
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I believe, that there is a very big difference between an intolerant child, or a Bipolar child, or a child who has ADD, or ADHD?
@MayCaesar
Spanking an intolerant child isn't corpral punishment.
How many kids across the country, are being raised by a single mom, because the dad on purpose, isn't in the kids life?
Where the dad isn't in the kids life sometimes, because, the dad spends an unfair amount of time, getting into trouble with the law, or the dad, didn't want to be a dad to begin with, before making a baby, with a lady?
Or how many kids, are being raised by a single dad, and the mom on purpose, isn't in the kids life?
As long as the spanking of a child, (outside of discipline) isn't abusing the child?
Child Protective Services, typically gets called for child abuse don't they?
Educate the Public, on how many child abuse cases there are in regards to the "disciplinary spanking" of a child?
The above is my argument, the below is how you individually engineered your individual argument:
"So your argument is, "Spanking is not the only form of child abuse, hence it is okay"? It is not a very strong one, you realise.
"As for kids brought to the US illegally, they are actually better off this way, than if they stayed back in their home countries. Do you know what life in Haiti or Gonduras is like? Nobody would wish to grow up there over the US. The kids are incredibly lucky that their parents choose to go through unbelievable sacrifices in order to give them a better childhood than they themselves had."
@MayCaesar
The Illegal immigrants bringing kids, into the U.S. illegally, is child abuse.
(What about those kids rights?)
Kids are being rented to help other illegal immigrants or aliens, get into the United States illegally?
Sounds to me like a new form of Child Slavery?
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Spanking undermines trust. Spanked children trust their parents less. They are more likely to step back from the relationship and build a self-protective shield around themselves in terms of relationships generally. Children may learn to mistrust the motives of others and become more threat-reactive in social situations.
Spanking does not convey positive guidance on how to behave in a particular situation, only how not to behave if a threat of punishment is at hand.
Seriously, conditioning a child with pain?? Barbaric...
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https://www-cbsnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/joaquin-arambula-california-state-assemblyman-arrested-released-spanking-daughter/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE=#aoh=15711788294251&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joaquin-arambula-california-state-assemblyman-arrested-released-spanking-daughter/.
"California state assemblyman arrested after daughter reports spanking to teacher"
DECEMBER 14, 2018 / 7:45 AM / CBS NEWS
"A California lawmaker accused of child cruelty is speaking out, saying he intended to discipline his 7-year-old daughter with a spanking. The children of State Assemblyman Joaquin Arambula, now home with his three children, were briefly removed by Child Protective Services.
Spanking your child is legal in all 50 states, reports CBS News correspondent Jericka Duncan. But if it crosses the line into "cruelty" or "abuse," it becomes a crime with potentially harsh punishments for the parent involved.
When Arambula was sworn in as a California state assemblyman two years ago, his wife and three young daughters were at his side. Arambula was arrested earlier this week. He said he spanked his eldest child who told her teacher the next morning."
@Plaffelvohfen
I had to look this up.
So please enlighten me, with more of your Opinion?
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Tell me more about your Opinion?
https://www-cbsnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/joaquin-arambula-california-state-assemblyman-arrested-released-spanking-daughter/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE=#aoh=15711788294251&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joaquin-arambula-california-state-assemblyman-arrested-released-spanking-daughter/
"California state assemblyman arrested after daughter reports spanking to teacher"
DECEMBER 14, 2018 / 7:45 AM / CBS NEWS
"A California lawmaker accused of child cruelty is speaking out, saying he intended to discipline his 7-year-old daughter with a spanking. The children of State Assemblyman Joaquin Arambula, now home with his three children, were briefly removed by Child Protective Services.
Spanking your child is legal in all 50 states, reports CBS News correspondent Jericka Duncan. But if it crosses the line into "cruelty" or "abuse," it becomes a crime with potentially harsh punishments for the parent involved.
When Arambula was sworn in as a California state assemblyman two years ago, his wife and three young daughters were at his side. Arambula was arrested earlier this week. He said he spanked his eldest child who told her teacher the next morning."
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A typical state definition of school corporal punishment is the one offered in the Texas Education Code, which specifies permissible corporal punishment as, “…the deliberate infliction of physical pain by hitting, paddling, spanking, slapping, or any other physical force used as a means of discipline.” (Texas Education Code, 2013)
The Texas code thus allows school personnel to hit children with objects (“paddling”) and to use “any other physical force” to control children, as long as it is in the name of discipline.
Isn't being civilized great? God bless Murika!!
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Does it upset you when parents discipline their kids, in public?
I've seen parents doing that before, and it didn't look upsetting to me at all.
And I would guess, that if others viewed a child being spanked by their parents, they could have called the Police, or CPS, if they thought, that they were seeing a child being abused, by a disciplinary spanking?
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Should an unruly child be able to walk all over their parents?
How many times, should a parent, or parents, neglect to be a "parent or parents, to their child, instead of maybe pandering, coddling, or babying their child, by allowing their child, to treat them like garbage, in their own home, or in public?
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I never allowed my children to act like little monsters in puplic. As everyone now knows I had one very difficult child and he had been known to throw tantrums in puplic. Rather than smacking him I would quickly escourt him away from the puplic and get him under control. Luckily he never went after anyone or destroyed anything but that was more that I was always close by and quick to act. I also knew when he was having a bad day and I would rearrange things around so he would stay home. In other words it is a parents responsibility to make sure their children are not disruptive. How would spnking them make anything better for the people around them. Now my other children never did throw fits or act disruptive in puplic. I never spanked them either.
I didn't allow my children to walk all over me. Not to say there weren't times where they didn't try and challenge me but all kids do that. Most of the time a simple explanation as to what the consequences would be if they chose to continue was enough.
If a child is being "unruly" it is the parents responsibility to control that behavior. I just have never found that hitting my children was neccessary except in the two incident while I was driving with my eldest.
If a child is walking all over their parent I believe that is a parenting issue.
I don't believe hitting a child encourages respect. Fear, resenment and sometimes even disrespect of the parent (even if it is in silence).
It takes more work and taking the time to really know your child but even a child with underlying mental illness issues can be controlled without a spanking.
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When it comes to a Bipolar child, I've yet to hear of any Nationwide news stories, where a Bipolar child, has been spanked?
I believe, that there is a very big difference between an intolerant child, or a Bipolar child, or a child who has ADD, or ADHD?
But if a parent let's an intolerant child walk all over them, then the parents are acting in an ignorant manner.
There are plenty of intolerant kids in the United States, who have done jail time, or are doing jail time, because their parent, or parents acted ignorantly, by not disciplining their intolerant kid, or kids.
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Idiots who agree with beating a child would be horrified if a person beat a pup yet they seem to have more respect for dogs than children.
If you beat a child you’re a child abuser
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I am not aware of any studies suggesting that children that have been abused in their families are less likely to become criminals, than those who have not. In fact, I have seen multiple studies suggesting the opposite. Children in abusive families grow up broken and psychopathic, and they are much more likely to act in a vengeful manner towards the society who, as they see it, has wronged them.
Have you ever heard of unconditional love leading to unspeakable crimes? I have not. Only "hard love", one that causes people to be violent, has a potential to lead to that.
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The only individual who has to live with your own thinking is you.
"I am not aware of any studies suggesting that children that have been abused in their families are less likely to become criminals, than those who have not. In fact, I have seen multiple studies suggesting the opposite. Children in abusive families grow up broken and psychopathic, and they are much more likely to act in a vengeful manner towards the society who, as they see it, has wronged them.
Have you ever heard of unconditional love leading to unspeakable crimes? I have not. Only "hard love", one that causes people to be violent, has a potential to lead to that."
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Thank you. I never understood idiots who wail about animal abuse yet hit their children for no other reason than they are far too to try communicating with their kids.
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When it comes to a Bipolar child, I've yet to hear of any Nationwide news stories, where a Bipolar child, has been spanked?
I believe, that there is a very big difference between an intolerant child, or a Bipolar child, or a child who has ADD, or ADHD?
But if a parent let's an intolerant child walk all over them, then the parents are acting in an ignorant manner.
There are plenty of intolerant kids in the United States, who have done jail time, or are doing jail time, because their parent, or parents acted ignorantly, by not disciplining their intolerant kid, or kids.
"To beat a dog is abuse , to beat a child is abuse. If as an adult you have to beat a child to make it comprehend your intentions it means your only effective way of communication with a child is violence, demonstrating you’re not fit to have children
Idiots who agree with beating a child would be horrified if a person beat a pup yet they seem to have more respect for dogs than children.
If you beat a child you’re a child abuser"
@Dee
If people abuse dogs, by beating them, then they should be in jail.
If people are abusing kids by beating them, then they should be in jail as well.
There is a Universal difference between spanking an intolerant child, and beating a child.
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You can not blame always parents for bad choices a grown child makes. Saying that having worked with kids on probation and kids who were incarcerated I have to say they were a mixed bag of family types. Some of the kids came from families where breaking the law or gang involvment was a family way. On the other hand we had kids that came from families with very proactive parents that the kid made the choice to go against all their famliy values and when asked why she did what she did the answer was simple. ' Because I wanted to." No excuses. No blaming of anyone else. Her parents had 6 children and she was the only child that they had with any any problems that we could see. None or her siblings had any legal problems. So I guess my point is that sometimes the parents can do everything right but still have a child that goes their own way and makes bad choices. So without knowing the background of the unruly child you can't neccessarily blame the parents.
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As far as raising a bi-polar kid goes it is a rollercoaster ride. One you can't get off of. Mine was also ADHD and had bad reactions to all of the ADHD medications. When not in a bad place he was a nice, charasmatic, polite and basically a great kid with a lot of energy and impulsivity issues.
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Are you making a polite excuse, with your below argument?
"Saying that having worked with kids on probation and kids who were incarcerated I have to say they were a mixed bag of family types. Some of the kids came from families where breaking the law or gang involvment was a family way."
(Because those adult parents were wrong, in teaching their kids, that being anti law, or gang oriented, is a family way? Sounds like behind closed door brainwashing?)
And if a parent has an anti law attitude, I cannot see how their parental skills, cannot be viewed as Child Abuse, and in the same light, is a form of corpral punishment, against their own kids, and the pro family dynamic.
"On the other hand we had kids that came from families with very proactive parents that the kid made the choice to go against all their famliy values and when asked why she did what she did the answer was simple. ' Because I wanted to."
The female child, developed an attitude problem from either another parent with kids, or from another kid, or from another adult, manipulating that female child with an irresponsible attitude problem.
"No excuses. No blaming of anyone else. Her parents had 6 children and she was the only child that they had with any any problems that we could see. None or her siblings had any legal problems.
So I guess my point is that sometimes the parents can do everything right but still have a child that goes their own way and makes bad choices. So without knowing the background of the unruly child you can't neccessarily blame the parents."
Because someone likely was using that female for their own gain, or trying to circumvent what the female child, was taught by her caring parents, so her siblings, and her parents, I'm guessing, had to put up with, going through an expensive legal nightmare, because of someone having an outside negative influence over that female child?
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49908849
https://learning.nspcc.org.uk/research-resources/leaflets/positive-parenting/
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Why are you always impersonating Mr. Lebowski, commenting on everything you disagree with with "It's just like your opinion, man"? I am aware that this is my own thinking; I am the one who is posting it, after all. Why do you not point out where I am wrong in my argument instead?
So far you have not given any reason for violence being a proper way to discipline a child. I would like to see an explanation of how whipping a child makes them better off in the end. As far as my understanding goes, violence never teaches people anything, and it only comes in handy when people are beyond teaching and others need to be protected from them.
And if it came to this as early as one's childhood, then the parents have really messed it up, and nothing they can possibly do now will redeem their atrocious parenting.
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"Just a little more on spanking and other corporal punishment, mainly with reference to UK legislation"
Where is the UK definition between Disciplining a child, for acting intolerant, verses the abuse of a child, based on your UK shared version of child abuse?
Because in the United States, the CPS would investigate a child being abused by abuse, verses being spanked,
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