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Red Bull stratos freefall debunked
in Earth Science

Globers will just look for anything to the prove the Earth is a globe, including the Red Bull stratos freefall. I've already made debates explaining the geocentric sun and debates debunking NASA images and the moon landings. And now I will be writing a quick debunk for the redbull freefall 

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ErfisflatCYDdhartafeaEmeryPearson
  1. Is the Earth flat?

    5 votes
    1. Yes
      80.00%
    2. But, my master NASA said...
      20.00%
Retired DebateIslander, Former Earth Science Community Moderator, and ex-Flat Earther. 
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  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1325 Pts
    Winning Argument ✓
    Nobody's gonna jump on this?
    I doubt it, it's irrefutable evidence that the earth is flat and that NASA and friends manipulate imagery of it.
    SilverishGoldNovafeaEmeryPearson
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

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  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1325 Pts
    Winning Argument ✓
    Wake said:
    @Erfisflat - You and silver can prove beyond a doubt that the world is flat by going out and sailing over the edge. Until you do that you have no argument.
    Who said there was an edge?
    SilverishGoldNovafeaEmeryPearson
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

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  • Nobody's gonna jump on this?
    feaEmeryPearson
    Retired DebateIslander, Former Earth Science Community Moderator, and ex-Flat Earther. 
  • edited October 2017

    @CYDdharta Mind explaining what fallacy I used, or else I will asssume you are only flagging it as a fallacy because you are afraid to change your position. 

    feaCYDdhartaEmeryPearson
    Retired DebateIslander, Former Earth Science Community Moderator, and ex-Flat Earther. 
  • feafea 76 Pts
    edited October 2017

    @CYDdharta Mind explaining what fallacy I used, or else I will asssume you are only flagging it as a fallacy because you are afraid to change your position. 

    Well, if you've read anything he's posted, I wouldn't say that NASA is his master but rather he has several masters, namely Mike Dice and Bearing. 
    CYDdhartaSilverishGoldNovaEmeryPearson
  • Are you now claiming that the earth has a convex surface?

    SilverishGoldNovafeaEmeryPearson
  • edited November 2017
    CYDdharta said:
    Are you now claiming that the earth has a convex surface?


    Let me guess, you didnt read the whole thing? If you go through the images, you will see Earth going from Convex to FLAT.... or Convex to Concave. Which proves that the freefall was recorded using a GoPro fish eye lense, so it is not reliable evidence of a globe, if anything it proves the Earth is flat. However, you have no actual rebuttal to it, and also I never said that the Earth was a ball Rofl. 
    CYDdhartafeaEmeryPearson
    Retired DebateIslander, Former Earth Science Community Moderator, and ex-Flat Earther. 
  • I haven't seen his arguments for a spherical earth yet.
    SilverishGoldNovafea
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    https://www.gofundme.com/mwmvf-is-the-earth-flat
  • feafea 76 Pts
    CYDdharta said:
    Are you now claiming that the earth has a convex surface?

    I'd have to agree with @SilverishGoldNova , read the whole thing then get back to us.
    ErfisflatSilverishGoldNovaCYDdhartaEmeryPearson
  • edited October 2017
    Erfisflat said:
    I haven't seen his arguments for a spherical earth yet.
    Yes thats true, Um, can one of the Silver 3's from thewiki team update this
    fea
    Retired DebateIslander, Former Earth Science Community Moderator, and ex-Flat Earther. 
  • CYDdhartaCYDdharta 549 Pts
    edited October 2017

    Let me guess, you didnt read the whole thing? If you go through the images, you will see Earth going from Convex to FLAT.... or Convex to Concave. Which proves that the freefall was recorded using a GoPro fish eye lense, so it is not reliable evidence of a globe, if anything it proves the Earth is flat. However, you have no actual rebuttal to it, so you are left with strawmanning my position.
    Images of him standing on the platform and of the back of his head inside the capsule were taken with a camera mounted on top of his helmet??? 
    SilverishGoldNovafeaEmeryPearson
  • @CYDdharta SO now it isn't proof because the images were taken with a camera ontop of his helmet? I take it you've conceded... or are just scared to change your position.
    feaEmeryPearson
    Retired DebateIslander, Former Earth Science Community Moderator, and ex-Flat Earther. 
  • Erfisflat said:
    I haven't seen his arguments for a spherical earth yet.
    I try to stay away from these discussions because they're really too stupid to comment on, and I've said all I'm going to say in this thread.  If you're mind is so deluded that you'll believe the Earth is flat in spite of all the proof to the contrary, we really have nothing to discuss.
    SilverishGoldNovafeaEmeryPearson
  • CYDdharta said:
    Erfisflat said:
    I haven't seen his arguments for a spherical earth yet.
    I try to stay away from these discussions because they're really too stupid to comment on, and I've said all I'm going to say in this thread.  If you're mind is so deluded that you'll believe the Earth is flat in spite of all the proof to the contrary, we really have nothing to discuss.
    Where is all this proof?
    feaEmeryPearson
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    https://www.gofundme.com/mwmvf-is-the-earth-flat
  • edited October 2017
    CYDdharta said:
    Erfisflat said:
    I haven't seen his arguments for a spherical earth yet.
    I try to stay away from these discussions because they're really too stupid to comment on, and I've said all I'm going to say in this thread.  If you're mind is so deluded that you'll believe the Earth is flat in spite of all the proof to the contrary, we really have nothing to discuss.

    So you're basically left with calling the flat Earth stupid?


    Geez, your team isnt doing too well. 70-0
    CYDdhartafeaEmeryPearson
    Retired DebateIslander, Former Earth Science Community Moderator, and ex-Flat Earther. 
  • edited October 2017
    Erfisflat said:
    CYDdharta said:
    Erfisflat said:
    I haven't seen his arguments for a spherical earth yet.
    I try to stay away from these discussions because they're really too stupid to comment on, and I've said all I'm going to say in this thread.  If you're mind is so deluded that you'll believe the Earth is flat in spite of all the proof to the contrary, we really have nothing to discuss.
    Where is all this proof?

    He has no actual rebuttal to the original post, so he's left with dismissing our claims
    CYDdhartafeaEmeryPearson
    Retired DebateIslander, Former Earth Science Community Moderator, and ex-Flat Earther. 
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1325 Pts
    edited October 2017
    That's the general globetard method of arguing, an ad hominem or appeal to the stone attack replaces any attempts at a logical rebuttal.
    SilverishGoldNovaCYDdhartafeaEmeryPearson
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    https://www.gofundme.com/mwmvf-is-the-earth-flat
  • Erfisflat said:
    That's the general globetard method of arguing, an ad hominem or appeal to the stone attack replaces any attempts at a logical rebuttal.
    Or just flag your comment as spam/fallacy
    CYDdhartafeaEmeryPearson
    Retired DebateIslander, Former Earth Science Community Moderator, and ex-Flat Earther. 
  • WakeWake 123 Pts
    edited October 2017
    @Erfisflat - You and silver can prove beyond a doubt that the world is flat by going out and sailing over the edge. Until you do that you have no argument.
    CYDdhartaSilverishGoldNovaErfisflatfeaEmeryPearson
  • edited October 2017
    Wake said:
    @Erfisflat - You and silverfish can prove beyond a doubt that the world is flat by going out and sailing over the edge. Until you do that you have no argument.
    So now that I've refuted NASA imagery, and now the red bull freefall, it seems you are now left with appeal to the stone and the good old the old edge argument. No flat Earther today believes you can fall of the edge, not even ancient flat Earthers believed that, but instead an ice wall or barrier


    feaEmeryPearson
    Retired DebateIslander, Former Earth Science Community Moderator, and ex-Flat Earther. 
  • edited October 2017
    Erfisflat said:
    Wake said:
    @Erfisflat - You and silver can prove beyond a doubt that the world is flat by going out and sailing over the edge. Until you do that you have no argument.
    Who said there was an edge?

    The fact that he is tired of using anecdotal/ad hominem fallacies, and wants to go back to red herring/appeal to the stone fallacies. CYD is also using appeal to the stone, but his buddy is the strawman fallacy rather than red herrings. They have no real rebuttal and are afraid to change their position, so they are left with fallacies and marking my comments as.... fallacy. 
    ErfisflatCYDdhartafeaEmeryPearson
    Retired DebateIslander, Former Earth Science Community Moderator, and ex-Flat Earther. 
  • edited October 2017
    @Erfisflat Wake is the next Coveny... but worse... and more blatant. There have been alot of trolls trying to argue against us in these threads, and now we have a brand new one.
    CYDdhartafeaEmeryPearson
    Retired DebateIslander, Former Earth Science Community Moderator, and ex-Flat Earther. 
  • edited October 2017
    @CYDdharta You can flag as many of my comments as fallacy as you want, it just proves my point you have no real rebuttal to my argument and you are left with marking my posts as fallacy while you YOURSELF and your buddy wake are using nothing but fallacies. NOW. Do you and @Wake want to defend yourself on your fallacies, admit to it, or continue to lurk in the corner and mark my comments as Disagree and Fallacy?
    CYDdhartafeaEmeryPearson
    Retired DebateIslander, Former Earth Science Community Moderator, and ex-Flat Earther. 
  • edited October 2017
    @CYDdharta So I take it you've picked the last option. Well then. Good luck m8. 
    feaEmeryPearson
    Retired DebateIslander, Former Earth Science Community Moderator, and ex-Flat Earther. 
  • Nobody's gonna jump on this?
    I'm very curious as to what you think causes the shadow on the Moon ?
    SilverishGoldNova
    I don't get a great deal of free time, for this reason there may be long periods between my posts.
    Please don't expect me to respond with insults and memes, I don't have time for it.
    Please don't expect me to respond to Gish-galloping, I don't have time for it.
  • Nobody's gonna jump on this?
    I'm very curious as to what you think causes the shadow on the Moon ?
    I can somewhat help with this if you'd like.
    EmeryPearson
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    https://www.gofundme.com/mwmvf-is-the-earth-flat
  • Erfisflat said:
    Nobody's gonna jump on this?
    I'm very curious as to what you think causes the shadow on the Moon ?
    I can somewhat help with this if you'd like.
    Be my guest
    I don't get a great deal of free time, for this reason there may be long periods between my posts.
    Please don't expect me to respond with insults and memes, I don't have time for it.
    Please don't expect me to respond to Gish-galloping, I don't have time for it.
  • Erfisflat said:
    Nobody's gonna jump on this?
    I'm very curious as to what you think causes the shadow on the Moon ?
    I can somewhat help with this if you'd like.
    Be my guest
    In earlier days, it was theorized that a third body was set in the firmament, called Rahu. This body is apparently transparent, but even transparent bodies can block, or more specifically "bend" the light. My concern isn't trying to prove that some undetectable, invisible body exists. My main concern is proving that the earth isn't a spinning ball, so it is physically impossible for it to come directly between the sun and moon, blocking it's light, or more appropriately, turning it red, as with eclipses.



    Another curious thing that globe earth proponents virtually ignore is a phenomenon called selenelions.
    The fact that a horizontal eclipse or selenelion even exists seriously calls into question the origins of lunar eclipses.  A selenelion occurs when there is a lunar eclipse but the Moon and the Sun are both above the horizon.  This is not geometrically possible. Without bias, hopefully you have basic knowledge of geometry and how shadows work, watch this selenelion, that even the commentator can't explain because he is assuming his model correct.


    EmeryPearson
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    https://www.gofundme.com/mwmvf-is-the-earth-flat
  • Erfisflat said:
    Nobody's gonna jump on this?
    I'm very curious as to what you think causes the shadow on the Moon ?
    I can somewhat help with this if you'd like.
    Be my guest
    I await any feedback you might have.
    EmeryPearson
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    https://www.gofundme.com/mwmvf-is-the-earth-flat
  • AErfisflat said:
    Erfisflat said:
    Nobody's gonna jump on this?
    I'm very curious as to what you think causes the shadow on the Moon ?
    I can somewhat help with this if you'd like.
    Be my guest
    I await any feedback you might have.
    My feedback is that you haven't stated what you think causes the shadow on the moon, instead trying to shift the focus of the question elsewhere.
    EmeryPearson
    I don't get a great deal of free time, for this reason there may be long periods between my posts.
    Please don't expect me to respond with insults and memes, I don't have time for it.
    Please don't expect me to respond to Gish-galloping, I don't have time for it.
  • AErfisflat said:
    Erfisflat said:
    Nobody's gonna jump on this?
    I'm very curious as to what you think causes the shadow on the Moon ?
    I can somewhat help with this if you'd like.
    Be my guest
    I await any feedback you might have.
    My feedback is that you haven't stated what you think causes the shadow on the moon, instead trying to shift the focus of the question elsewhere.
    Oh God not another one with reading comprehension. "In earlier days, it was theorized that a third body was set in the firmament, called Rahu." My point is that the earth, being proved without axial rotation or curvature, cannot possibly come between the sun and the moon. As Sherlock Holmes said
    "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."



    EmeryPearson
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    https://www.gofundme.com/mwmvf-is-the-earth-flat
  • @CYDdharta said
    "I try to stay away from these discussions because they're really too stupid to comment on, and I've said all I'm going to say in this thread."

    If there were even the slightest chance that the earth were flat, would you want to know?
    SilverishGoldNovaEmeryPearson
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    https://www.gofundme.com/mwmvf-is-the-earth-flat
  • edited October 2017
    Nobody's gonna jump on this?
    I'm very curious as to what you think causes the shadow on the Moon ?
    I think Erfisflat has gotten that down for you. Any response to the original post besides flagging my comments as fallacy and "but but, the edge..."?
    ErfisflatEmeryPearson
    Retired DebateIslander, Former Earth Science Community Moderator, and ex-Flat Earther. 
  • Erfisflat said:
    Oh God not another one with reading comprehension. "In earlier days, it was theorized that a third body was set in the firmament, called Rahu." My point is that the earth, being proved without axial rotation or curvature, cannot possibly come between the sun and the moon. As Sherlock Holmes said
    "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."



    I suspect that you (rather ironically) meant something along the lines of "not another one with reading incomprehension" 

    I read your post just fine. Rather than state what you believe causes the shadow yourself, you sidestepped into explaining what (some) other people have believed causes the shadow. This is not an answer to the question I asked, I'm sure fully aware of that.
    Are you aware that Sherlock Holmes is a fictional character? Your quote came from the mind of Arthur Conan Doyle, a man who was fooled into thinking that Harry Houdini had magical powers (which eliminates the concept within that quote).
    EmeryPearson
    I don't get a great deal of free time, for this reason there may be long periods between my posts.
    Please don't expect me to respond with insults and memes, I don't have time for it.
    Please don't expect me to respond to Gish-galloping, I don't have time for it.
  • ErfisflatErfisflat 1325 Pts
    edited October 2017
    @JoePineapples
    Actually I mean reading comprehension problems, if you had reading incomprehension, we'd likely not be having this conversation, but I digress.

    You've ignored the fact that I've eliminated the possibility that the earth comes between the sun and the moon. What exactly does, I haven't presently decided from a lack of evidence. You tell me. What blocks the light of the sun on the moon in an eclipse?
    EmeryPearson
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    https://www.gofundme.com/mwmvf-is-the-earth-flat
  • Erfisflat said:
    You've ignored the fact that I've eliminated the possibility that the earth comes between the sun and the moon. What exactly does, I haven't presently decided from a lack of evidence. You tell me. What blocks the light of the sun on the moon in an eclipse?
    You haven't eliminated anything. 
    The Earth blocks the Sun and causes the shadow on the moon.

    I'm also curious as to what flat-earthers think the Sun actually is, because a giant light-radiant ball doesn't fit into the flat Earth model for a focused area of light only being shone on a limited area of the flat Earth at any one time.
    EmeryPearson
    I don't get a great deal of free time, for this reason there may be long periods between my posts.
    Please don't expect me to respond with insults and memes, I don't have time for it.
    Please don't expect me to respond to Gish-galloping, I don't have time for it.
  • Erfisflat said:
    You've ignored the fact that I've eliminated the possibility that the earth comes between the sun and the moon. What exactly does, I haven't presently decided from a lack of evidence. You tell me. What blocks the light of the sun on the moon in an eclipse?
    You haven't eliminated anything. 
    The Earth blocks the Sun and causes the shadow on the moon.

    I'm also curious as to what flat-earthers think the Sun actually is, because a giant light-radiant ball doesn't fit into the flat Earth model for a focused area of light only being shone on a limited area of the flat Earth at any one time.
    Well, I've eliminated the possibility for most people that have some knowledge in geometry and how shadows work. The moon and sun both being above the earth, if the earth were a ball coning between them, would cause the shadow to start at the bottom of the moon and move up. How else would you explain this? I can't rebut a nuh-uh.

    As for what it is, I like what Eric Dillard has to say about it. Though he does assume it's still 93 million miles away. 

    EmeryPearson
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    https://www.gofundme.com/mwmvf-is-the-earth-flat
  • JoePineapplesJoePineapples 136 Pts
    edited October 2017
    Erfisflat said:
    You haven't eliminated anything. 
    The Earth blocks the Sun and causes the shadow on the moon.

    I'm also curious as to what flat-earthers think the Sun actually is, because a giant light-radiant ball doesn't fit into the flat Earth model for a focused area of light only being shone on a limited area of the flat Earth at any one time.
    Well, I've eliminated the possibility for most people that have some knowledge in geometry and how shadows work. The moon and sun both being above the earth, if the earth were a ball coning between them, would cause the shadow to start at the bottom of the moon and move up. How else would you explain this? I can't rebut a nuh-uh.

    As for what it is, I like what Eric Dillard has to say about it. Though he does assume it's still 93 million miles away. 
    You think that spherical objects, floating freely in space, have an up or down? Read your post out loud to yourself again and just try to imagine that.

    As for that guy Eric Dollard, I love how he kicks asteroid-sized holes in his own theory - He says the sun is invisible when viewed from outer space, giving off no light. He says the planets are all visible though (even though there's no light being cast on them).
    He also makes no comments on the shape of the Sun, which is what my question was about.
    You don't know what causes the shadow on the moon and you don't know what shape the Sun is (two things we can view from a distance), but you're adamant that the Earth (something we can't view from a distance) is flat?
    EmeryPearson
    I don't get a great deal of free time, for this reason there may be long periods between my posts.
    Please don't expect me to respond with insults and memes, I don't have time for it.
    Please don't expect me to respond to Gish-galloping, I don't have time for it.
  • @JoePineapples

    "You think that spherical objects, floating freely in space, have an up or down? Read your post out loud to yourself again and just try to imagine that."

    Yes, in relation to where the observer is, there is an up and down. I realize that the priests of heliocentrism has convinced you that there is no up and down but the observer is not in space. You're desperately dodging the obvious.

    "You don't know what causes the shadow on the moon and you don't know what shape the Sun is (two things we can view from a distance), but you're adamant that the Earth (something we can't view from a distance) is flat?"

    Yes. I know the earth is flat because I have empirically measured it to be so. 
    EmeryPearson
    Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

    Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.

    https://www.gofundme.com/mwmvf-is-the-earth-flat
  • Erfisflat said:
    @JoePineapples

    "You think that spherical objects, floating freely in space, have an up or down? Read your post out loud to yourself again and just try to imagine that."

    Yes, in relation to where the observer is, there is an up and down. I realize that the priests of heliocentrism has convinced you that there is no up and down but the observer is not in space. You're desperately dodging the obvious.

    "You don't know what causes the shadow on the moon and you don't know what shape the Sun is (two things we can view from a distance), but you're adamant that the Earth (something we can't view from a distance) is flat?"

    Yes. I know the earth is flat because I have empirically measured it to be so. 

    If you've ever observed the moon's cycle, you'll have noticed that the shadow encroaches neither from the side nor the top or bottom, it comes in at an angle, slightly diagonal. This is because of the orientation of the Moon's orbit in relation to the Earth's axial rotation (this rotation is also at an angle).

    I have two questions for you, if you'd be so kind as to answer them;

    - How did you measure the Earth and would you mind sharing your calculations?
    - Purely out of curiosity, what do flat-earthers think makes the tide come in and go back out?


    EmeryPearson
    I don't get a great deal of free time, for this reason there may be long periods between my posts.
    Please don't expect me to respond with insults and memes, I don't have time for it.
    Please don't expect me to respond to Gish-galloping, I don't have time for it.
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